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  • boatersteve Fruit Heights, Utah
    April 1, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    Dave Rose is a good coach and a better man, husband and father, but Dave how about winning just one tournament. You will never be considered a great coach until you do.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    April 1, 2011 3:33 a.m.

    @ mormo ute:

    The only condescension is ute fans assumig rose wants the job.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 31, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    It was reported on the radio today that hill offered Rose between 1.2 and 1.5 million per year and Rose turned him down flat. Rose also turned Oklahoma down and they offered a reported 1.7 million. He also turned NC State down and they offered somewhere in the same amount as Oklahoma. It has also been reported that BYU and Rose have basicly agreed on a new deal and it will soon be finalized and signed.

    You can hold out hope all you want but really the ending for you will be a bad one whether you delay it it in your mind or not.

    Sorry but it just isn't happening and frankly it never was going to happen.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Rose always looks great in white with a shade of blue.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    Big Hapa,

    Don't count on it. Unless BYU has decided to break from tradition, Rose will continue to make 1/3 or 1/2 of what he could make elsewhere, if he stays at BYU. I'm not saying money is everything. I just think he can have a lot of what he has at BYU and more money too at the U.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 31, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    You didn't read what I quoted did you? That quote was from this morning and clearly indicated Coach Rose has not said anything about a decision regarding the Ute's job. That quote was from BYU's flagship station's sports editor and clearly indicated nobody knows for sure what Hill and Rose talked about, but they met twice. Also, everything I read about Bennett said he denied ever being interviewed or contacted and Kruger has turned down a bunch of offers from bigger names than Utah. No disgrace there. So I'll just wait until something official is said to remove Rose from the list and he's at the top until then.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    March 31, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    Nice accolades, and why would you leave a system with Monster momentum that will reload depth next season, smart man Rose just keep let-tin it roll on baby, roll on.

    Perhaps the AD at the "Y" step's up to the plate with serious compensation!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 31, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    Why would that put anything to rest? The job is beneath Rose at this point. Its already been reported he turned hill down so I don't know why it excites you so much that he met with hill. Frankly any coach with half a brain listens to what people have to say and I am sure Rose did give hill the courtesy of hearing him out.

    Bennett also turned hill down, as did Kruger. Those are just the 3 we know about.

    Don't worry utah will eventually hire a coach. D1 head coaching jobs are not that plnetiful. It is just becoming very obvious that coaches of established programs have no interest in leaving them to take over that train wreck.

    I really think dr. hill and ute fans overestimated the appeal of that job.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 31, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    To all the BYU fans who refuse to acknowledge that Chris Hill may have actually met with Coach Rose,

    The following is a quote from a local media outlet all BYU fans should be familiar with:

    "BYU head coach Dave Rose - a source close to the basketball program has confirmed that Utah athletics director Chris Hill and Rose have met twice, but whether that was to discuss his potential interest in the job or to gain information on BYU assistant Dave Rice remains to be seen."

    I hope that puts to rest all the condescending comments about the Utah job being beneath him.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 31, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    1Infidel

    Obviously you don't know much about BYU funding of athletics. About half of all BYU athletic scholarships are already endowed through BYU fan contributions. There's already a group of deep-pocketed BYU fans who set up a fund to help pay BYU coaches market value for their services. Guaranteed, a significant portion of Coach Rose's significant pay increase will be becoming from that fund.

    This is no different than happens at most major programs. Do you really think the average joebob Texas fan is contributing is helping pay for top coaches. No, just as at BYU, it's the deep-pocketed boosters who are making those contributions.

    The mechanism through which BYU operates may be different than at other major programs, but it all works out the same.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 31, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    @1Infedel

    The BYU indoor practice facility and Football/sports center were both built completely with donor donations. The indoor practice facility cost around 60million and the football center cost abnother 20million. Seeing as though it was a decade ago they were built you could probably inflate that by another 20% in todays dollars.

    Also BYU's current athletic budget is 42-43 million per year. That is around 50% more than utahs by the way, and much of it comes from donors. BYU's coaches are paid from a fund set up by boosters where they all donated to set up a trust that generates the coaches salaries.

    Also as reported in this news paper in just the last few weeks BYU's athletic department actually runs in the black, they make money, and it was reported they profited around 5 million above expenses last year.

    In otherwords your post was pretty much all wrong.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    March 31, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    @skywalker

    My point exactly. Where other schools have active boosters contributing directly to their beloved sports programs, and all the "extras" others here have already written about, BYU fans typically sit back and expect the school to serve it all up, including being able to compete with coaches and their staffs competitive salaries.

    Robbie Bosco moving to fund raising wasn't a role where he is going to sit by the turnstiles and personally thank attendees. There is a lot more to keeping a flagship sports program going, and sitting back and assuming someone else is going to take care of it is not going to get it done.

    Penny ante is not the way to go.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    March 31, 2011 5:58 a.m.

    B

    Would the OU boosters allow a Mormon to coach? You better believe it. Anything to win games...even hiring a Mormon. They know more than most the power of BYU. They know of the football teams success and they know of our bball teams record.

    Trust me, they are a sports loving state and would do anything to bring back some winning ways to the OU basketball program.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 31, 2011 1:09 a.m.

    @In My Humble Opinion

    Mendenhall would adapt to the culture of the new school. I knew Mendenhall when he coached at Tech and his off turf demeanor was very different than at BYU. He is fully capable of working in a not church school environment. He prefers to be at BYU.

    Besides Mendenhall has openly said coaching at BYU IS A MISSION and he is treating it as such. I suspect most of the LDS Coaches share that world view to some extent. Which also explains why they don't go elsewhere for more money.

    I have relatives who are Sooners. The Sooners would embrace anyone who beat KS and TX and won the Big 12 championship for them.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    March 31, 2011 12:39 a.m.

    @skywalker

    My point exactly. Where other schools have active boosters contributing directly to their beloved sports programs, and all the "extras" others here have already written about, BYU fans typically sit back and expect the school to serve it all up, including being able to compete with coaches and their staffs competitive salaries.

    Robbie Bosco moving to fund raising wasn't a role where he is going to sit by the turnstiles and personally thank attendees. There is a lot more to keeping a flagship sports program going, and sitting back and assuming someone else is going to take care of it is not going to get it done.

    Penny ante is not the way to go.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 30, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    B

    "Would the OU boosters allow a Mormon to coach the Sooners?"

    Since Dave Rose turned down a $1.7 million offer from Oklahoma, that's a pretty good sign that they would.

    Even very liberal, very anti-Mormon California, had a Mormon head football coach.

  • B Logan, UT
    March 30, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    Would the OU boosters allow a Mormon to coach the Sooners?

  • CG Orem, UT
    March 30, 2011 7:47 p.m.

    Nostradamus

    Instead of trolling BYU blogs, why don't you get your MUSS buddies together on a Utah blog.

    Frankly, the Ute trolls brought this Cougar fan retaliation on themselves with their PAC 12 snobbery; acting like Utah's PAC 12 invite was some sort of golden ticket to instant "elite" status.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but it doesn't work that way. There are lots of very mediocre teams in the big boy conferences. Win a PAC 12 championship, then U can talk.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 30, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    Bugoff, I'm a Cougar fan, but personally, I don't think Mendenhall's act would play anywhere else. WAY too verbosely grandiloquent, too LDS churchy for any school in the south, too preachy, too prideful and too "I'm smarter than you" for the same type of boosters you said would pay side deals. T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State wouldn't put up with Mendenhall for the time it takes to turn the tap on one of his many, many wells, and Mendenhall would think he was too smart and too good for those same boosters.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 30, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    OK...after all the commentary on this, clearly, BYU is superior in all ways to Utah and every other school in the nation. Religious loyalty is way better than compensation...in fact, Rose and Bronco should pay to be the coach...it's that good of a job. BYU will always be better. In fact, the U should give up now.

    What a fool I am to be a Utah fan...we can't pay our coaches enough, no one will play for us, we will be the bottom feeder of the PAC, we can't educate our leaders (only import them from the Great University Down South - now only to be referred to as the GUDS)...heck I guess even blue is superior to red in the color spectrum!

    I am now straightened out...go GUDS!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 30, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Actually it is the PAC 10.1.1

    Colorado (.1) is a red headed step child and utah's new arch rival.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 30, 2011 1:47 p.m.

    haggie

    "Look, this is a great coach."

    Who's a great coach. The article is about Dave Rose. I don't think you'll get any arguments from BYU fans that Rose is a great coach.

    "Utah is not a bottom feeder in the PAC12."

    In basketball, Utah may very well be a bottom feeder in the PAC 12.

    BYU, on the other hand, beat PAC 10 champion Arizona by 22 points.

  • haggie Visalia, CA
    March 30, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    Look, this is a great coach. He loves to coach. I am a BYU fan. We have played them. They have beat us and we have beat them. Tell me Y fans: Have we ever thought we were better than the rankings and still barely beat or lose to Utah? Utah is not a bottom feeder in the PAC12. They will be middle of the road or better. They were good while we played them. Why will that change. We beat PAC10 teams. Are they now all of the sudden a super human conference?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 30, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    alternate

    Clyburn announced that he is waiting to see who the new Utah head coach is going to be, before he decides whether to stay at Utah or transfer.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    I like Larry K. Good fit for Utah. Rose is a great coach. Glad he is at BYU.

    Help me out here, What is the deal with Clyburn and Utah?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 30, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    1Infidel

    "For those truly interested in seeing Coach Rose stay,and the continued success of BYU sports, you could consider the depth of your loyalty and explore various direct means to put your money where your postings proclaim your heart to be."

    Did you even bother reading the article before commenting?

    BYU is already doing that:

    "Meanwhile, BYU is preparing to offer Rose a new contract that is expected to increase his salary SIGNIFICANTLY."

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Chris Hill and ute fans' hubris in thinking Rose would be interested in Utah is stunning. Talk about being provincial.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 30, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    @utesovertide

    The only "actual talk" I have ever seen about Rose considering the utah job was from ute trolls on these boards or talk radio hosts trying to stir up controversy and generate phone calls. In otherwords nothing reliable has ever been printed or reported stating that chris hill and Dave Rose ever even spoke.

    But let's pretend they did. Based on officials I know at both schools none of them have any desire to show up or embarrass the other. Chris Hill and Tom Holmoe actually like each other as do Whittingham and Mendenhall and dave Rose and the utah officials. They have alot of common interests that they support each other on and trying to make the other look bad is not something they wish to do.

    If Hill did contact Rose my guess is that Rose simply told him he wasn't interested and that was the end of it. He didn't go to the press to annouce he spurned an offer and Hill wouldn't go and announce he was turned down. That is how people of class handle things. No press release and no one upmanship.

  • 1Infidel APO, AE
    March 30, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    Ok, so this will likely just open the door for some negative comments, but would be worth it if someone responds accordingly.

    For those truly interested in seeing Coach Rose stay,and the continued success of BYU sports, you could consider the depth of your loyalty and explore various direct means to put your money where your postings proclaim your heart to be.

    Editors - still too "commercial" to be posted?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 30, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    Bugoff... great research on the salaries. Enjoyed it very much. It's very obvious that the Utes are going to have to spend more in the future to compete in the PAC-10.2, that only stands to reason.

    It's hard for some people to realize that money isn't everything when it comes to these coaching positions. Many people do not understand the 'culture' and atmosphere of BYU (yes, we also enjoy clean mountain air at 4300') and find it difficult that anyone would stay there if more money was available somewhere else.

    I have several friends that work at BYU and BYU-Idaho, all of them could make more money elsewhere but choose to stay because of... well, you know what I mean.

    Coach Rose will stay because... it ain't about the money.

  • 7dawg Norman, OK
    March 30, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Darn! I would have loved to have him here in Norman. OU would have benefited from this great coach.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 30, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    cactusflats

    As any successful business knows, the bottom line isn't determined by how much you spend, but by how much you make in relationship to how much you spend.

    Competing at the highest level will require investing in coaches who are paid within a reasonable range of other top-tier coaches.

  • cactusflats American Fork, UT
    March 30, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    It would be interesting if a large percentage of the financial benefits to Utah and BYU from their new conference affiliations (or independence) ended up being paid to top-tier head and assistant coaches who are needed in order to compete on the bigger stages these two schools now play on. Maybe the financial gains won't be quite as large as advertised once those (and other) new costs are taken into consideration.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    March 30, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Glad to hear coach Rose turned down OU.

    He had done an incredible job and the team is already reloading. He is going to have a long run at BYU with much success.

    At work we are having a contest.

    You have to predict how many coaches from the WCC will turn down the utah head coaching job in the mighty Pac 10.2.

    My prediction is 4.

    "But wait", my ute fans say. "It is the mighty Pac 10.2. Everyone will want to come coach for us. We can borrow money from future tv revenues to hire them. It is the big time!" I then ask them where I can catch some of these mighty Pac 10.2 games on t.v. None of them know. I ask "ESPN?" Nope. "ABC?" Nope. One guy finally told me I can catch them on the fox regional channel if I have it.

    Great to be a Cougar!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 30, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    Rose just turned down $1.8 mill plus side deals by saying he was not interested in the OU job. The OU boosters own a few oil wells and know how to do side deals.

    $1.8 plus oil wells is a lot more than U of U can or will offer any coach. Rose is staying at BYU due to loyalty to the Church. He should get a raise. On the open market both he and Mendenhall are worth a couple of mill a year plus booster support.

    AS for the U good luck on low balling a great coach. Step up and compete with U of AR and OU and see what you get?

    If Whit competes well in the PAC, UCLA or some serious University will offer him 3-4 times the money the U will pay him and he will be gone.

    You need deep pockets to play in the PAC.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 30, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    By side deals I am not talking piddly shoe and radio contracts.

    When Holtz was at U of AR he had side deals with Tysons. They created limited partnerships with him on hog and chicken contracts that were fail proof money making machines. Since Tyson was buying the hogs and chickens they could price everything so it was impossible to for Holtz to lose money but he could get lots of write offs.

    When Tysons wanted Holtz to resign they simply pulled the side deals and he moved to MN and then ND. U of AR did not have to "Fire" Holtz. He left because Tysons pulled the money on the side deals.

    Do you think Anderson went to U of AR from UM for %200,000 (10%) more in salary?

    The big time schools boosters know how to pay coaches beyond the University payroll and visible media/shoe deals.

    Since the U fired Boylen I am assuming the U boosters do not have side business deals.

    I do not know about BYU policy on side deals for the coaches but in theory BYU boosters could create business side deals for key coaches.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    March 30, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    To In Arizona, I think he should get $500,000 from the university and then get the standard shoe and radio contracts that would put him in the $750,000 range.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    March 30, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    I keep hearing from the Utah fans that the WCC is an "inferior"conference, but I seem to remember that the "Runnin' Redskins" couldn't even beat two of the worst teams in that conference. How many times in the next ten years do you think Utah would beat the two best teams in that league, BYU and Gonzaga? Do you really think that Dave Rose wasn't a part of the decision to play basketball in the WCC? And don't you think he's looking forward to that new opportunity? The PAC10 was generously given three NCAA tournament bids this year and Arizona, a team that BYU thrashed on a neutral court, did have agood run, but the PAC10 right now isn't that big a step up from the MWC in basketball. Good luck, Utah, with that coach thing, but Rose is staying at BYU.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    March 30, 2011 5:48 a.m.

    I think it is interesting that Utah fans love to express 'hatred' for BYU, its fans, and its administration, however, they have no problem hiring BYU coaches and graduates as their:
    a) School President
    b) Head football coach
    c) Basketball coach.

    Really, who are we kidding, BYU and Utah are tied at the hip. We are rivals in sports, but we tend to help each other out and most of us cheer for each other's success.

    I hope Utah has success in the Pac-12, but I hope BYU beats them every time for ever more.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 30, 2011 1:48 a.m.

    Bradley paid $700,000 plus incentives for their new coach. That is more than the U paid Boylen. Is Bradley a better situation than the U?

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 30, 2011 1:01 a.m.

    U of MO offered Anderson 14 Mill for 7 years to stay and is offering Painter (Purdue) a similar deal. U of Arkansas paid 2.2 mill for Anderson.

    The above posts put the U of U position in perspective. It is not that attractive compared to other state schools and is way underpaid compared to other PAC/Big 12/SEC schools.

    BYU is a different animal as the coaches leave a lot of money on the table due to Church loyalty. However, BYU needs to step up and pay their coaches for performing. A bonus system would probably be best.

    BYU needs to put the comparison with the MTN schools behind it and realize it is now a national/international University (competes nationally) and act like one.

    BYU has good coaches. They need to be treated more fairly. 14 mill gives a lot of financial security.

    There should never be a question of BYU losing a coach to the U for any reason given the new TV arrangement.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 30, 2011 12:45 a.m.

    Even poor old broke, little, chinsy Idaho (BSU) pays Peterson $900,000 a year base.

    TCU paid Patterson $1.65 mill in 2008. You can bet it is a lot more now. BYU needs to step up if they want to play with the big boys.

    Utah? If Utah thinks they really want to compete in the PAC then they are going to have to spend some money on coaches.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 30, 2011 12:36 a.m.

    OU was paying $1.5 mill per year plus bonuses and side deals to their basketball coach.

    The U has been paying $575,000 base. I am not sure how much the U will offer a new coach. But I doubt if it is much more than they gave Boylen.

    The top basketball coaches get 2-4 mill a year base.

    However, Whittingham only makes about $700,000 base. He is going to be the 2nd lowest paid football coach in the PAC. That aught to help the U compete in the PAC?

    The elite football coaches make 3 to 4.5 mill a year base, plus bonuses and side deals. Side deals are usually worth more than base.

    BYU tends to pay on an average of the schools they compete with. In football that just improved dramatically as they now compete nationally. The same standard should apply to Rose as the WCC is just a parking place for the basketball team which is now actually national.

    Some of the new BYU TV money should go to the coaches and assistants. They should get a percentage of the TV revenues and gate for bonuses.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    March 30, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    Utah could do a lot worse than Coach Rice. No way they get Coach Rose.

    I hope they are both back in Provo at the start of next season but I'd be surprised if Coach Rice didn't get a shot somewhere.

  • mr. j Cottonwood Hts., Ut
    March 30, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Byu alum, its got alot to do with utah. utah has a coaching vacancy and theres speculation about rose filling it. i think you'll put two and two together.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 29, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    The reality is simple. The BYU TV coverage is better in the WCC than in it is for Utah in the PAC12.

    The WCC is ESPN and BYU has it own station. The PAC is Fox Sports. I saw an article a few days ago indicating that in CA the WCC (ESPN) actually had better coverage than the PAC.

    BYU will have good coverage in CA and vastly better coverage nationally/internationally.

    BYU will play in a weaker conference. But the WCC has no gate receipt sharing. BYU keeps all of its home gate and gets MUCH better TV money.

    BYU can also play more GOOD non conference teams. Utah won't because they will get clocked in the PAC and can't afford the non conference losses.

    Rose has a great team shaping up for next year. All he needs is the right PG. He can build national contender much easier at BYU than he can at Utah.

    The Utah coaching positions is high risk. It will take a coach who does not have the ideal situation to decide they want the Utah position. OU is having trouble finding a coach. Utah is a worse situation than OU

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    All true Cougars love Coach Rose--but so do a lot of others. Please stay!!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    March 29, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    Hey, these are supposed to be replies about Dave Rose and BYU. We love him; we want him to stay; and it speaks well of our school, our fans, the players, et. al that he will stay put.

    Please leave the U out of the discussion. This is about BYU. Why do these seemingly straight forward BYU articles always end up being a debate between opposing points of view? It gets rather sickening on a regular basis! I do not go to any Utah articles that are printed. Simply not interested. Not in a negative way necessarily, just not interested! You go your way, and we'll go ours. Please do not feed the negative and stay positive and on your own turf.

    Go Cougars!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 29, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    LivinLarge

    "Rose is a good coach for BYU, but let's not forget SDSU's Fisher beat him soundly when it really counted..."

    You're sadly mistaken.

    Except for automatic bids for one-bid conferences, the regular season championship is much more important to the selection committee than the conference tournament, and in the regular season, BYU swept the Aztecs in back-to-back seasons.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    March 29, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    @indy crimson:

    SeattleUhasabasketballteam? is a moniker to poke fun at the utes. Ive lived in seattle for 5 years and had no idea that seattleu had a bball team till the utes lost to them 2 years ago.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    Rose is a good coach for BYU, but let's not forget SDSU's Fisher beat him soundly when it really counted...just sayin

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 29, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    AZguy

    The flaw in your argument about the PAC 12 being better than the WCC is that Utah isn't better than BYU.

    And in basketball, as we've in the NCAA tournament this year, conference affiliation doesn't mean squat as far as how successful you can be in the tournament.

    BYU being on ESPN/BYUtv is better than being on the MTN.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 10:46 p.m.

    @cynic

    Haha, nice try, but you're calling all fruits apples.

    The difference between the Utah job and those in your list is that there has actually been talk of him leaving for Utah. And not just here on the boards, but in all the local sports TV, radio, and print.

    We all know how the press is, and I'm sure they've been asking and prodding but have not gotten an answer or official press release. The question remains, why not?

  • CaliCougar Claremont, California
    March 29, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    All I can say is....Yahoo!!!!!!

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    March 29, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    Hey coug fans-I would not trash on the U job. Even if the next coach is a bust, someone, sometime will come in and resucitate it and be the next Urban Meyer of basketball. It will happen. It is the PAC-12. No reason to get jealous. I wish them the best and only hope they lose when they play the Cougs and my AZ schools. I wish the U were better. it would raise BYU's RPI.

    As for Rose going to the U, I would not blame him if he does. No question on the WCC vs. PAC. PAC is a superior conference. BYU will be on ESPN more, but that is the only benefit of going to an inferior conference.

    I hope Rose stays with the Cougs and he gets a nice fat raise along with all his assistants all the way down to the film coordinators. About the silence between Rose and Hill, has he even been contacted for the position? Is there anything to comment on?

    Over the long term, the best thing that could keep Rose in Cougar blue is to fill the Marriott Center year in and year out.

  • cynic Appleton, WI
    March 29, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    @utesovertide:

    I think Bradley, Towson, Kennesaw State, and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi are all looking for coaches too, and I haven't seen Dave Rose come out and say he isn't interested in any of those jobs either. Imagine that. Maybe he's really considering taking Tony Ingle's place at Kennesaw State.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 9:59 p.m.

    People, you are not answering my question. I am not interested in whether Rose will/will not go to the U.

    I want to know why he hasn't come out and said he's not going, like he did with the Oklahoma job. It would be that easy to end all of the speculation and let us move on to other coaching names.

  • mr. j Cottonwood Hts., Ut
    March 29, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    I agree! The silence is ominous!!! BYU bball was thrown under the bus with this WCC thing. You're dreamin if you think that the WCC is a better place to be then the Mountain. Holomoe threw bball under the bus in a knee-jerk reaction to the utes move to the PAC-12. I mean you could throw bball under the bus if you knew this whole independence thing was gonna pan out but it's a dark tunnel and nobody knows whats on the other side. That would make me mad. But I think it's premature to declare that Rose won't leave BYU cause it's 'special' or whatever. Rose can be a light to his players anywhere. Not just at BYU.

    But I would say that if he turned down Oklahoma then his choices are stay at the Y or head to the hill. And the cupboard is not bare there despite what you may think. I watched good athletes be part of a crappy system. Just imagine good athletes in a good system.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 29, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    Without a coach, who will the utes get next year? Doesn't look like their new sports building is doing much for recruiting.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    re utesovertide

    The reason he will not got to Utah is that it is not an upward move. Let me repeat it is not a lateral move and it is not an upward move. If he refuses Oklahoma there is no chance he will go to Utah. The reason nobody is saying anything is because it is obvious. Let me dispel the rumors for you. Dave Rose will never coach at Utah even when the job is open again in 2013, 2016, 2019, and 2022.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    I doubt Rose leaves BYU. Rice probably will, but he earned it (too bad for us though, he's been great).

    Rose wants to live here in Utah, that is why the OK job was not of interest. However, he could still move up to the U (better pay, no restrictions, family stays put). I doubt he will though.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    March 29, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    utesovertide

    You are assuming (because Hedgehog who is in Michigan says so) that an offer has indeed been made. Maybe it hasn't.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 8:31 p.m.

    Hey guys, if the Utah job was completely off the table for Rose, wouldn't he come out and say so like he has about the Oklahoma job?

    The silence from both Rose and Hill are fascinating. Why are they waiting to dispel the rumors if there is nothing to them?

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    March 29, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    Seattle U...how has Cameron Dollar been for your school? I think he is a talent...he helped recruit Robinson & Roy to UW...and the inside story is that he really brought D1 defense and rebounds to the Huskies...

    I kind of hoped the U would interview Dollar Bill??? Has Seattle U improved since his arrival? Or not so much...

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    March 29, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    Onr more reason to celebrate the Mtn in the rear view mirror: more money to pay the best coaches what they are worth!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    March 29, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    If you ever attended and graduated from the Y, as I did, it is a unique experience and one which would make one realize it is a great place to be and to work. When people are interviewed about there job and what makes them happy, money is on the list, but down aways. There are other factors which give people true happiness at work. Coach realizes this and is comfortable staying. I hope they can truly compensate him for his efforts.

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    Wait, the U is getting ready to sign another washed up assistant coach from the NBA. He was 2 games above .500 as a college coach, so maybe he can keep that type of record and that would be an improvement up on the hill. Why not go after someone that has done something this decade? Maybe Fisher at SDSU? This guy is Jim 2.0. Not impressed at all. I thought that the Pac 12 would allow the hiring of a top notch, or at least an upper echelon mid-major coach to come to the U. Maybe I'm wrong, but C. Hill has bombed two in a row.

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    Rose isn't coming to the U! Rose isn't coming to the U! Don't even say it! He isn't, he isn't, he isn't!

    Sincerely,
    BYU Troll Paranoia

  • 801to415 San Francisco, CA
    March 29, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    I am a proud U of U alum, who has nothing but HATE for BYU.

    But Dave Rose is a pimp coach. That is undeniable. He is gonna have them rollin the WCC off the bat.

    Jenifer Rockwood = 2nd best coach on that campus. Her squad will also be boss in the WCC.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    Dave Rose Arena - Home of the Cougars

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    royal blue

    Fair enough - but I am likely much older than you (hate to admit it) - so, how far one has to look back is relative.

    Good stats though...the point is still relevant...sports are cyclical and it's really tough to stay on top. Kansas, Pittsburgh, Duke...you get the point.

    But again, thanks for sharing some relevant knowledge!

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:15 p.m.

    Everyone know that Rose was going to use his leverage of another team to get BYU a raise. Good for him I am excited that BYU is willing to give him a raise.

    Here how it went down

    Dr. Hill asked Rose if he would interview with Utah.
    Rose - Tom Holmoe I think I want to stay but Utah wants me to interview
    Holmoe - ha ha ha ha ha
    Rose - ha ha ha ha ha
    Oklahoma asks Rose if he would interview with Oklahoma
    Rose - Tom Holmoe I think I want to stay but Oklahoma wants me to interview
    Holmoe - Dave we love you and we want to put a package to make sure you are here for a long time.
    Rose - Announces to Oklahoma that he is not interested in interviewing with them.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 29, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    Proof that there are more important things than money. I'm sure Rose would have received 50% more from OU than the new offer that's coming from the Y.

    Here's why he'll stay (hopefully):

    Next years pipeline includes Matt Carlino, Anson Winder, and DaMarcus Harrison, the return of C. Collinsworth; along with Ian Harward and Nate Austin (Redshirt candidates)and HOPEFULLY the return of Davies.

    2012 pipeline includes Tyler Haws, and hopefully Chatman and Loveridge

    Future pipeline includes K. Collinsworth, Nielsen, and hopefully TJ Haws and Nick Emery.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    March 29, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    Chris B: If you are a BYU fan that is trying to make Ute fans look bad, you are succeeding beyond your wildest dreams. So is Hedgehog. But, Oh Chris, please say it ain't so.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    Nostradamus

    "BYU does not have to look that far back to where they were where we are..."

    Actually, BYU has to look back to the late WAC era to find a time when BYU was where you are. During the MWC era, BYU had one brief dip just before Cleveland left, and Rose, who was his assistant, took over.

    BYU: 10 of 12 20+ win seasons, 6 MWC championships, 8 NCAA tournaments

    BYU
    1999-00 22-11
    2000-01 24-9
    2001-02 18-12
    2002-03 23-9
    2003-04 21-9
    2004-05 9-21
    2005-06 20-9
    2006-07 25-9
    2007-08 27-8
    2008-09 25-8
    2009-1030-6
    2010-1132-5
    Overall 276-116 (70.4%)

    Utah
    1999-00 23-9
    2000-01 19-12
    2001-02 21-9
    2002-03 25-8
    2003-04 24-9
    2004-05 23-9
    2005-06 14-15
    2006-07 11-19
    2007-08 18-15
    2008-09 25-10
    2009-10 14-17
    2010-11 13-18
    Overall 230-150 (60.5%)

    Utah: 6 20+ win seasons, 5 MWC championships, 6 NCAA tournaments.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    I'm tired of seeing mid-major coaches get poached by the big league schools (yes I'm aware that my Utes are technically that now and that that's probably where we're going to get our coach from). I hope he stays at BYU.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Rose needs to stay here...we are just beginning a long run.

    It smells like Roses in Provo!

    BYU is going to be good for at least 5 more years (maybe beyond). This program is in excellent condition. With Rose and Rice...BYU is college hoops power.

  • oh ye confederacy of dunces Flushing, NY
    March 29, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Chris B, you actually think Rose would sacrifice his entire career to take over the ridiculous train wreck of a program on the hill? That is the best prediction you have made yet. Besides, coach Rose doesn't wear one of those hilariously bushy 80's goatees--isn't that part of the dress code at the U?

  • SeattleUhasabbaltteam? Seattle, Wa
    March 29, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    @ williary:

    You're posting on a BYU article because ...?

  • karenella Provo, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Coach Rose, you just made my day. Thank you for sticking around. You are beloved here and always will be. Time to rest, and the reload with new arsenal...here's to another great year with new people.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    Seems like a lot of smack (and paranioa) going on. Great coaches need great players...BYU (and coach Rose) had a terrific year...but maintaining what 2010-2011 had will be hard.

    I've already said Utah has a tough challenge...but, BYU does not have to look that far back to where they were where we are...and I truly believe that Utah will be back.

    Coach Rose will make his own decision and staying at BYU, where he is loved, he is comfortable and where he will be paid OK...is not a bad decision.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    "So pathetic. BYU does a good job securing Rose as their coach, yet 2 jealous Cougar fans first to post can only think about Utah? How's that Little Brother complex going

    ...says the troll whose constant insecurity and obsession drives her to every BYU article.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:22 p.m.

    Another "soul crushing" revelation that accelerates the ever spiraling hedgehog down to the abyss of irrelevance!

    Coach Rose ain't leavin' hedgie!

  • In Arizona Mesa, AZ
    March 29, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    To Flatlander: In your opinion what is Rose worth?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    March 29, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    So pathetic. BYU does a good job securing Rose as their coach, yet 2 jealous Cougar fans first to post can only think about Utah? How's that Little Brother complex going?

    Paranoia is getting a little ridiculous down south.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    March 29, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    @Hedgehog:

    And even with winning as the 5th priority we have still managed to rack up more wins this year than U have the last 2 put together, and beat you 9 of 10 times.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Big Blue: It's cute that you kids want a rival so you look to direct your hatred at BYU. You'll continue to be thought of as the annoying neighbor kid who will always be a few steps behind. Yes, you beat byu in football last year congrats. And I'm sure you win again sometime in the next 10 years. You must be so proud.

    P.S. The NCAA selection committee just announced you'll be another #12 seed next year.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    crisb; take off your red glasses and...yup, this Rose is still blue and the garden is full of talent for the forseeable future.

    No trolling intended with this: I was listening to 1320 this morning on the way to work. They were debating on how attractive the Utah head coach position was. They concluded that it was only moderately attractive for various reasons and doubted Utah would be able to pull anyone of consequence(good experienced HC) into the current scenario. I hope Chris Hill has a little magic and can pull off a big coup. There are several other more attractive head coach openings at this time who will be looking at the same pool of candidates. Utah is going to have to roll the dice on a young assistant coach. There are some good ones. If Rice decides to leave BYU, I sincerely hope he goes to Utah. It would make the whole state of Utah look better if Utah is successful in the PAC.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 29, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    "It was probably Rose's only chance to coach in the Big 12. The y will never be invited to the conference."

    I agree. Holmoe would have been smart to push Rose to the Big12. The Y didn't help themselves in there secret "quest" to be invited into the Big12.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Well, if he can get a similar amount of money from BYU, and he's from utah, and his family is here, and he's already built a great program why would he leave? However, I would be shocked if Dave Rice isn't a head coach next fall.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    March 29, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    @gone fishing:

    "Even if Rose has a great year (which is unlikely with next years team),"

    That's just it. Matt Carlino, Demarcus Harrison will be incoming next year. BYU will be reloading, not rummaging through a trainwreck looking for answers.

    Brace yourself, but we actually have kids coming IN to the program as opposed to LEAVING, like U do.

    Utah may only lose one player this year due to transfers. Congrats!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 29, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    I guess you're right about rose...

    winning (when it counts) is only the 5th most important thing in the bubble.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    It was probably Rose's only chance to coach in the Big 12. The y will never be invited to the conference.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    Honestly, why would he stay? The athletic department has made there choice and it was, of course, football. Rose just lost the best offensive and defensive players in school history and he could not get past the sweet 16 at BYU. Before anyone replies "he would have if he had Davies", that only proves my point. He can shine even brighter at a job with less obsticles. This is his high water mark, he needs to leverage it. Even if Rose has a great year (which is unlikely with next years team), in the wcc it is a 1 bid (maybe 2 bid)league with a double didgit seed. He should move on and I wish him well.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    What about Chris B, Hedgehog and Otis taking that job at Oklahoma?

    Good luck kids. You know basketball better than anyone else. They have to be begging for you kids!!! Take the JOB!!!!

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    March 29, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Good for coach Rose he has earned a health pay increase for his performance the last 6 years. He is a good coach and a great recruiter, with a 750 winning percentage that is impressive. He has improved the cougar basketball program from where it was under Reid and Cleveland. Next year without Jimmer and Jackson he will need all of his coaching experiance to get back to 25 wins.

  • Cosmo Springville, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Thanks for all your hard work coach Rose! This BYU fan hopes to see you back next year!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Well Duh! He can't coach Utah and Oklahoma.

    You'll lookg great in red coach ROSE.

  • Unbelievable West Jordan, Utah
    March 29, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    A great decesion by BYU to up the stakes with the hopes of retaining Coach Rose.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    March 29, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    I hope they pay him what he is worth. Most of because he is a coach with ethics and that is over half the battle in college.

  • LoveMySports Syracuse, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    I hope the Y can keep him around. Just look at his record. The guy's a really good coach. Rose is turning out to be the "Jimmer" of coaching with a winning percentage like that.

  • Mmars01 Lehi, UT
    March 29, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    If he isn't interested in the OU job, why would he be interest in the U vacancy?

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    March 29, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    A preemptive post for the Ute trolls:

    You are closer to losing Clyburn than snagging Rose. If he's not interested in a team that is in the upper echelon in the BIG 12, he's probably not interested in the trainwreck on the hill, and being a perennial bottom feeder in the PAC 10.2