It seems that there is a lot of comparison of the facilities at BYU and Utah.
Can someone tell me where BYU gets their funds to build these facilities? If it
is all from private donors, good on BYU's donors. If the majority is from
tithing(which I suspect most of it is) then you have little room to compare
since we all know the tithing fund brings in a lot of money to maintain and
construct chruch facilities.
@Hymn to the Silent.Perhaps we have read different studies but in
the studies I have read, participation in extra curricular activities of any
kind is a better predictor of long term success when compared to other students
who do not participate in any student activities. But, of the different
activities students can participate in, debate, drama, music, newspaper,
yearbook, student government, clubs are significantly better predictors of long
term success. Participation in college sports and cheerleading and drill team
are the poorest predictors of long term success. For the money invested, high
school and college sports are not a good investment.
You know what would be ANOTHER great addition to the U area?
Actually there have been plenty of studies tying academic quality to athletic
success. And the ROI on football is much greater than the other programs at the
University, still the academic interests receive far more private donations than
athletics. Lamenting donations to athletics is laughable. Football is a money
maker. Academics at the U is stellar. If you excel you find yourself in classes
with the Nation's best professors: My junior year I studied under a Poet
Laureate, two Ivy league professors, and a professor in Architecture who studied
and taught all over Europe. That kind of multi-dimensional intellectualism is
what makes the UofU an incredible place to study. It is a microcosm of the best
the college world has to offer. And at state school prices. The University is
seriously under appreciated in this state.
Where will the money come from? The taxpayers, who pay for the University of
Utah so we'll have a great university for students to get an excellent
eductation? (No one has ever been able to tell me what football has to do with
education). Will student fees help pay for it even if some students have no
interest in football? 100% donated funds? Great idea!
"Going into the Pac-12, it's an all-out arms race," Whittingham said.
"Everybody is building the bigger and better buildings, and we've got to
keep up with everybody."While this looks like a great facility,
remember that Utah football didn't get to where it is now by 'keeping up with
the Jones's'. While I'm first and foremost a Y fan, I'd hate to see the U lose
the chip on it's shoulder- you know the one that allows them to beat teams like
Alabama- by doing what everyone else does. Hopefully the U athletes will still
feel they have something to prove.
Duck,thanks for the insight on the tier stuff. You're
right, there is no way Utah can come close to out Oregoning Oregon. USC might
be the only school that might even be in the same ballpark money wise.Utah needs to "out Utah" Oregon, meaning they need to have good
enough facilities to mid-upper Pac-12 talent, then develop them better than the
other schools. Until I make as much money as the owner of Nike, Utah won't come
near the facilities or wow factor that Oregon can throw out there.
The size of the allotment is different with each individual sport but basicly
the coaches from each sport, i.e. football, baseball, basketball, etc. know how
much money they have to spend. They then get a catalog of Nikes products. They
go through the catalog and choose all of the items they want in the quantities
they want such as uniforms, apparel, balls, shoes, bats, golf clubs, etc. Nike then gives them all of the stuff they order customized to
individuals and schools. My guess is that the system is probably
similar for all schools that have a sponshorship with an athletic gear/apparel
@pocyOregon is in a class by itself because of Nike. No one can be
judged against them fairly. Interesting note for those that want to know how
sponshorships work with Nike, and probably Under Armor or any other
apparel/athletic gear company that sponsors individual schools.Nike
has a multi tiered system of sponsorship. Oregon is in a tier of its own but
then there are 5 schools that comprise tier one. I believe those schools are
usc, notre dame, texas, florida and oklahoma. They get a certain amount of
sponshorship money and athletic gear.Then there is a 2nd tier, BYU
is one of about 15 2nd tier schools. They get a little bit less money than the
tier 1 schools. In all I believe there are 5 tiers of sponshorship.So each sponsored school gets actual $ for wearing Nike gear. But then they
get clothing/uniform/equipment allotments.continued
Worfconsidering BYU got bowl eligible by the skin of their teeth in
the MWC, you might want to tone down your rhetoric.
Thanks to coug fans like Duck and other for the kind words. Certainly this is
very needed considering the Taj Mahal that Oregon is building and USC upgrading
their facilities as well. viva la PAC 12
SnackPAC, huh? The Utes resume playing the Aggies in 2012, starting
with a game in Romney stadium. They haven't lost to USU since the ol'
"Groin Gate" game. Perhaps, you meant to post your diatribe on a
Congrats Utah, sounds like a very positive step for them. Now they just need to
expand the stadium and then they can say they are a legit PAC-12 member.
hedgehog"Dude, seriously, I would "focus" first on
just beating Utah State."At least BYU isn't afraid to schedule
the Aggies anymore, unlike the U that's gone into hiding behind the skirts of
the PAC 12.
Next year, will the utes qualify for a bowl game? Wow! Six wins is a tall order.
Mussing with U,"Arizona has been "playing for" a PAC
10 championship since they left the WAC over 30 years ago."You
guys always like to pull the Arizona card don't you? I have read it a thousand
times. It is getting old. Come up with something original. I guess Arizona is
beating the door down to join the MWC or go independent. Since they aren't that
should tell you something.
TheHailstormHonor Code is very egalitarian in his hyper-critical
remarks to BOTH BYU and U of U. He appeared yesterday taking potshots at both
schools for having the audacity to leave the MWC and be happy about it. Read
into that what you will.
@ibleedcrimsonActually Spence Eccles is a big supporter of BYU and
has probably given them about as much $ as he has given to the u. I take some
criticism on here for mentioning the people I know but I have done some work for
Spence and had a conversation with him about it. I showed up at his house in
Olympus Cove with a BYU hat on and was joking with him that he would probably
not give me the job. He laughed and said "I love BYU and I have donated
about as much money to them as Utah. All of my children attended BYU."The truth is with most of those guys, like Huntsman or Spence, is that
while they are utah boosters they are not BYU haters. Far from it. And both have
sent plenty of money BYU's direction. But I think it is great they
donate as much to utah as they do. This obviously saves taxpayers dollars and
their donations to BYU save tithing payers dollars. People of that sort are
needed in every community.
"BYU's focus has already changed from winning conference championships to
winning national championships"Mussing,Dude,
seriously, I would "focus" first on just beating Utah State.
Bluto,"As for a Hall of Fame, a 10'x10' room (closet) should
accomodate this."I thought the honor code encouraged people to
live by the Golden Rule. You know, treat people the way you want to be treated.
You are a real charachter and I do admit that you get under my skin. Is that
part of the honor code, getting under someone's skin? Anyway that closet you
suggest wouldn't even hold all the trophies and awards from Utah's two NBA
number one draft picks (McGill and Bogut) and three final four appearances and
one championship game. How many of those does the other team have? Zip.
Who am I sir?Honestly, you're scared to death that BYU might
actually be successful as an independent.The only recruits grading
Utah's facilities higher than BYU's are the recruits who chose to go to Utah.
What else are they going say, "Utah's football facilities stink!" (as
Kyle alluded to)?
DutchmanSince when have the Utes ever won championships in
football?Six championships in the last FIFTY years!And
that was in the "weak" WAC and MWC conferences.There's a
BIG difference between "playing for" and actually "winning"
a championship.Arizona has been "playing for" a PAC 10
championship since they left the WAC over 30 years ago. I'm sure
they're pleased to see the Utes and Buffs join that PAC 12, because the Wildcats
will no longer be the only team in the PAC never to have won a conference
championship.You need not worry about BYU's bowl tie-ins, because
ESPN has plenty of bowl tie-ins. A far as championships, BYU's focus has already
changed from winning conference championships to winning national
championships.Before the naysayers have a panic attack, just
remember, that's a goal, not a prediction.
I was impressed with the positive comments of "Naked Truth" (is this
in accordance with the honor code?) and Nottyou regarding the Y's facilities!
The problem, as I see it, is if the Y has such facilities now and the Utah
football recruits graded much higher than the Y's (See Rival, Scout, etc) How
much better with the Utes future recruiting classes be after we upgrade our
facilities?!!!!!Honestly, I hope all those who believe the Y's
independence and future conferences affiliation is a good thing are correct!!!
I hope to be proven wrong in my assessment!!!
It is proven that athletic success leads to higher donation rates from alumni
and author university supporters. So this is a wise investment. Just another
benefit of joining the PAC 12 conference. That and a home schedule of: Montana
State, Washington, Arizona State, Oregon State, UCLA and Colorado as opposed to:
Central Florida, Utah State, San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho and New Mexico
Bluto,You forgot Marriott and Huntsman. The U also has a main drag
named Mario Capecchi Drive after the famous Nobel Prize winner in medicine.
Utah is only the seventh public university to have a faculty member win a Nobel
Prize. I guess I can't expect you to be familiar with something like that. Oh
well, Utah is off to the big PAC 12 stage now. I hope your team enjoys playing
football games with no meaning as in championships and you still have no bowl
tie in for 2011 and that WCC basketball tourney in Vegas should be thrilling.
"Prepare for another facility to be named after Eccles. Up to about 14 now,
including bridges, embarassing."What's embarassing is you
criticizing someone for giving back just because he doen't share your affinity
for a certain school or team.Shame on you troll!!!
1984 for life,Great comment! I got a good gut-laugh from it.Too bad I had to sift through a lot of worn out "my school's better
than your school" comments to find it.
I was scrolling through the comments again, and saw that there were a few people
wondering about getting a new library. The U already has a new
library, that was finished in 2009 and dedicated by Laura Bush. The cost was
around $100 M and was mostly donated. It is a state of the art renovation of
the previous building, and is used by students every day until 2:00 AM.I'll add to my previous comments that in the 1990's, over $700 M were raised
from private donations to create funds for professors, buildings, programs, etc.
for generations to come. Again, the private sector has realized the value of
educating at a high level and is doing a great job at supporting it beyond just
supporting the athletic programs.
Why is this even newsworthy? It has nothing to do with JIMMER.
The test is not "Can Utah fill their stadium ?". It's, can they fill
their stadium with 5-6-7 loss seasons.History tells us they cannot.
There are 15-20k fair weather fans at the U in football, who do indeed disappear
when the teams fortunes turn downward.Basketball has 10k fair
weather fans. Exibit A...the last 5 years at Huntsman.This is a huge
concern for the Administration.BYU averaged 58k at it's low point
during the Crowton years. Their dropoff is about 4-5k.This is why
Chris HIll is not too anxious to expand. Wants to see what the upcoming 5-6-7
loss seasons do to attendance.Prepare for another facility to be
named after Eccles. Up to about 14 now, including bridges, embarassing.Should be a boost up for Utah, however, BYU's are still far superior, top to
bottom, hands down. As for a Hall of Fame, a 10'x10' room (closet)
should accomodate this.Good to see a Track and field again at the U,
after 30 years of running the program from West High, this has been a
travesty.Nice addition, still in BYU's shadow.
Nice seeing the U upgrade - this PAC 12 thing will be good for all the schools
in Utah in different ways - all positive.
Another win for the Utes!
"Great move. Utes should compete with the lower tier teams and some day
reach the Vegas bowl. Congrats!"Great Comment. To bad you're
the 175th troll to post it so far today.
Great move. Utes should compete with the lower tier teams and some day reach the
Vegas bowl. Congrats!
"Now let's just hope we don't lose to Utah State.... "No
worries of that happening hedgehog, since the Utes are too scared to schedule
Utah State anymore.
"Looks like the Ute upgrade = BYU's existing facilities. Good job.'notyou,Now let's just hope we don't lose to Utah State....
Honor Code | 12:08 a.m. March 29, 2011 Denver, Colorado ...hates BYU as much as he hates Utah.Probably a Colorado or CSU
troll.------------------Congratulations Utah. It's great
to see U finally getting some decent football facilities.
DN Subscriber,Most of the buildings being constructed, constructed,
or renovated on the U campus in recent years have either been fully funded or
mostly funded by donations or private operations to the departments that need
them. Among the projects are:Warnock Engineering Building $32 M
($19 M donated)Dee Glen Smith Athletic Center $20 M total (all expected
paid by donation)S. J. Quinney College of Law building $60 M total ($60 M
donated)School of Business Building $68 M total ($45 M donated)
University of Utah Health Care Medical Services Building $25 M ($25 M in
donations and clinical revenues)PCMC/UUHC Ambulatory Care Complex Parking
Phase 1 $16 M ($16 M in Hospital revenue)Those are just a few
examples. I count almost $185 Million in non-public funds vs. $36 M in public
funds in these projects alone. I think the private sector and the donors are
doing a fine job supporting the students at the U.
As a former U athlete this is great news!!!As a citizen of the state
that bothered to read the article... even better news!!! It's all privately
funded!! I know some of you out there didn't bother taking your ADD meds so I'll
put it again... privately funded!!! No tax dollars.... you getting this???Ps. To the Cougar fans posting on here... isn't now about the time in
the conversation where you point out how obsessed we are with your team on a
Utes article??? Take your hypocrisy with your "Jimmer Mania" back to
your own pages, or say something constructive!
BYU has invested millions of dollars over the past several years to upgrade its
football facilities. The Cougars state-of-the-art facilities already include a
two-story strength and conditioning center, the nations largest indoor practice
facility, football offices and team meeting rooms, leading edge athletic
training facilities, outdoor practice fields, a football hall of fame and a
restaurant open to the public, everyday team-oriented locker room in the Student
Athlete Building and an upgraded game-day locker room at the 64,000-seat LaVell
Edwards Stadium. Looks like the Ute upgrade = BYU's existing facilities. Good
Hopefully no tax payer funding is going to support this building. Agree with DN
subscriber to a point. Aren't there more important priorities out there than
donating money to support a state sponsored football team? I guess some people
have money to burn.
Congrats to the Utes. Looks as if it will be a nice facility.
@ DN Subscriber Your points are well taken. Teachers pay increase is a good
idea. Education is absolutely important. New Dorms and a library would be
nice.However, "misplaced priorities" is a little off base.Question for you: How much money does New Dorms, libraries, Teachers, or even
higher education bring to the university?Ute Football, however
"misplaced" you might think it is...Brings Millions of dollars per
year to the University.In business, there is a very true saying, that says
"It takes money to make money" Sooo, if you would like more money for
your ideas and causes, you are free to find the contributors for what you
want,.. just like the football program found their own contributors..
This is good news for the Utes. Something like this will sway a few recruits and
that could make a difference. The commitment to this type of thing sends a big
message to recurits. It would be great to see the Utes compete well in the PAC.
Things like this are needed for that.
Honor Code ??? The Byu Honor Code clearly states - " Respect others
"The new center is certainly getting my financial donation and I
believe other alumni will do the same. It's good to be a Ute !
I'm confused. The facts are that Utah has the 3rd highest amount of season
tickets of any Pac-12 team. Yet jealous/paranoid BYU fans constantly tell
everyone on D News blogs that Utah can't fill their stadium? So
which is it? A Utah football article and 2 of the first 5 comments
are from jealous Cougar fans. Don't you guys have some WAC football teams to
begin scouting for next year? Or figuring out how to pay attention to football
any season after you pick up that first loss and are out of contention
Duckhunterr is bent out of shape that Duckhunter sometimes makes fun of the utes
and sometimes just has a decent dialogue.Seems like a pretty average
fan to me. Or perhaps we should follow after Duckhunterr who instead of
switching between hate filled dialogue and decent dialogue just sticks with the
former.Yep, Duckhunter is the one with the problem. Right(said very
sarcastically).Tremendous reasoning there duckhunterr. I'm glad he
gets to you though.
Congratulations Utes. It sounds like it is going to be a great facility and I'm
glad that it is already paying off for you in terms of recruiting. The article talked about it being built from donor funds, so I'm not sure why
DN Subscriber is upset unless he/she did not read the article. Good
luck in the Pac!
Ibleedcrimson | 8:56 a.m. March 29, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UT Regarding the comment from TwinsGuy, it's called sardonicism.
DN Subscriber,I agree with Mormon Ute on this one. The Utah
Legislature funds about 8% of the U's total budget. The U could probably
survive as a private university if it had to. As to your complaint that the U
should be providing an education and degrees that bring graduates into meaninful
careers, apparently you are unaware that the U works very closely with private
industry to create and fashion degrees that private companies want and need to
fill their work force. From medicine to engineering to computer science the U
is educating students of this State and preparing them for the work force. They
are doing this in coordination with private industry and even the government.
You claim the U is doing poorly at their core mission of educating students. I
suggest you do some research and go read the 2012 Edition of the Best Graduate
Schools as prepared by U.S. News and World Report and see for yourself how many
graduate programs the U has in the top 65. Very Impressive.
Great news!! Next, let's expand that stadium!!
this is great news. i wonder what we'll call it. hey mr. huntsman, would you
like another building named after you?
Dutchman said, "Everyone should be happy for the kids in Utah who will now
have great facilities in which to practice and also do their school work. In the
past kids who wanted these kinds of facilities had to leave the State."Not leave the "State", just Salt Lake County. Your brothers to
the south have had such facilities for years.It looks like this will
be a fine facility. Congratulations!
DN Subscriber,You are sadly misinformed about the amount of money
the legislature contributes to the U. They have cut the funding to the point
were tuition, fees, grants and donations already cover around 80-90% of the
University's costs. Many of the U faculty salaries are funded by grants and
fellowships. The new dorms were built with money from the Olympics. The
library was upgraded with donations from the last big fundraising drive which
raised over $100 million. So don't whine about your tax dollars being misused
at the U.
No one will argue that this is not a great enhancement to the University of
Utah's athletic programs.However, I will argue that at a time when
tuition costs have increased at double or triple the inflation rate for decades,
when taxpayer funding is becoming more difficult to justify or sustain, we must
question if the University of Utah exists to educate Utah residents for
meaningful careers, or to support an elite athletic program?Sure,
some will argue that this athletic fluff stuff is funded by donations instead of
tax dollars. What if donors were instead being urged to support faculty pay
raises, new dorms, library improvements or all the other stuff that the
taxpayers and students have been forced to pay for?I do not see this
as evidence of sound leadership and management at the University of Utah, but
rather proof of misplaced priorities by out of touch academics seeking to boost
their egos and prestige at a time when they are doing poorly at their core
mission of educating students.The legislature should cut 16 million
from the U's funding next year to show that they do not support these skewed
Hello everyone,I just wanted to let you know (as if you didn't
already) that I suffer from schizophrenia. Sometimes, I come on here and I make
positive comments about the Utes. In fact, its funny. Just yesterday, I made a
comment to pocyUte and thanked him for having a civil dialogue with me. But there are times when I like to make fun of the University of Utah
and their "fans". I like to predict doom and gloom for them. I like
to use vitriol to mock them. I still wish I was a Ute, and someday
maybe i will be. But in the meantime, please don't be upset at me. Sometimes,
I forget to take my medicine.GO UTES!
Nice try all you posters who want to bring smack to something positive happening
at the U. Everyone should be happy for the kids in Utah who will now have great
facilities in which to practice and also do their school work. In the past kids
who wanted these kinds of facilities had to leave the State. Now they can stay
home with great facilities and a chance to compete on the big PAC 12 stage. I
also give thanks to the many donors who have stepped up big time to make this
happen. Those who find negativity in this announcment please go back to reading
your campus news paper in Provo.
"This is an outrage! Just think of how the money they are wasting on sports
could be used to improve the Womens Studies program, not to mention the GLBT
scholarship fund!"Imagine how fast "donor" money
would dry up if the dollars they are giving are allocated to be used for
something other than what they were donating for. If you want an
improved Womens Studies program you need look no further than you and your
constituents own wallets.
I've seen the plans and this will be a great facility, one utah badly needs. I
will definately give them credit for the commitment they have shown to upgrade
their facilities. As I've mentioned before I've done some work there and all the
stuff they have done has been 1st class stuff. This is definately something that
needed to be done and they are now doing just that.
Wonderful. First a track so the Utes could actually have a track and field
program. Now a desperately needed football facility to enhance recruiting.
What's next? Perhaps a Division I basketball program that is semi-competitive?
Come on boosters, get out your checkbooks and put your money where your hope is.
Amazing how a really 'vanilla' article about a building at the U, could turn
into a bunch of garbage from BYU 'fans'.I guess we don't have to
worry about the importance of a now, early, non conference, game between Utah
and BYU do we?The hatred, the stupidity (from both sides), will
continue to be there in all its "glory"I'm so relieved
So exciting...except for the fact that the Utes will continue to be an
afterthought in the PAC-12 and continue to play second fiddle to BYU on ESPN.
Sounds like a great facility. Exciting for the players no doubt.
Great news! This will be like a kid in a candy store for recruites. The days of competing for non AQ talent are over. This is the big leagues or
as l like to say the "Conference of Champions".It's great
to be a UTE!!
This is an outrage! Just think of how the money they are wasting on sports
could be used to improve the Womens Studies program, not to mention the GLBT
Congratulations, Utes. This was a big step in the transition process to
competing with the big boys. I'm excited about the trend in recent years to
really upgrade the facilities of the local programs. BYU's facilities are
top-notch. Their indoor practice facility is incredible, they have one of the
larger stadiums in the west, and their support facilities are great too. And as
for Utah, you've really seen an upgrade since Meyer came in. They built their
indoor practice facility as well which is also solid, they re-did the weight
room which is now great, and they've slowly upgraded RES. This new facility will
have them right on par with the other teams in their conference, and the
commitment to upgrading is what should really have Ute fans excited. Good for
Welcome to the PAC-12......if you're going to belong, you're going to have to
pay the price. Even if you're a basement dweller for years to come!!!