This the absolute rock bottom, losing at home to the worst road team in the
league.What a nightmare.
Glad I left after the 3rd quarter. Sooo bad. The Wizards have how many road
victories now??? Why we rushed to sign Corbin to a multi-year deal I'll never
i think Ty needs to know its impossible to reach the playoffs now...and should
develop Favors Hayward Evans more...looking at the statline...Hayward played
well...as well as favors getting a double double in 23 mins...there are a lot of
bad points...but jacking up 12 threes and making only three...takes the
cake...it shows poor shot selection...we need a go to guy someone who we could
really depend upon...im not sure if we would get someone like that on a weak
draft...but im hoping we could get one by free agency...as for
drafting...i saw a few vids of Jonas...and i really think he would be
overpowered in the NBA...he may be defensive minded...but he isnt that much of a
defensive player...i guess i need to watch more vids...im really sold with Kemba
Walker's game...i hope we could trade harris...for a reliable wing we sorely
need...one who can shoot the three and defend...i hope we can get Jared Dudley
and another player plus a draft pick from the suns
I loved seeing the young guys out on the floor. What an awesome game Ronnie and
Hayward had along with Favors. I think that Ronnie deserves to stay on this
team. I hope that the final games that Ty lets the young guys play. I don't mind
loosing if we have a purpose of letting our talent improve.
Wizards. Two road wins. Cavs..Jazz. Nuff said.
A new low. Corbin is showing his green side. A night after they lose a track
meet to the Warriors, he cannot see his way to get his team to push the ball
(the Wizards were so warn out in the 1st quarter, my 6 1/2 year old daughter is
yelling at them to push the ball). Last, but certainly not least, another dismal
showing from the free throw line cost them another game - unforgivable.I love the Jazz and wish I had a clue as to what they were doing or where they
are heading but... (by the blank looks on the coaches, I'm not the only one.
I'm a die-hard Jazz fan but I find myself counting New Jersey losses vs Toronto
or Sacramento Wins for lottery positioning rather than Jazz wins. Perhaps Ty
needs some time to grow into Head Coach. Right now, this is not the
come-every-night-to-work Jazz I've grown to expect during the
Sloan-Stockton-Malone era.What happened to 'if nothing else, I know
the Jazz will compete' mantra????? This hurts!!!
Loved watching the rookies in the 4th quarter bring us back from a 12 point
hole. Just couldn't finish it off.Favors had a double double in 23
mins and Hayward looked great as well. But as someone pointed out we can't miss
that many free-throws and win the game. Under 50%, not going to happen. That
airball was the epitome.
Favors is the real deal. How can you deny a player like him playing time? You
can't. Hayward is coming along nicely too. He filled the stat sheet up pretty
good tonight. Enjoy watching his quickness and athleticism. I really liked
watching the rookies play and make a game out of it even though they ran out of
gas in the overtime. At this point it's about development and draft positioning
anyway. Go Rookies! Go Kevin!
What a nightmare ending to a great beginning. Those days of beating Miami and
all those East teams on the road and all those amazing comebacks feels like a
dream. The Jazz are about as good as the utes right now. I wonder who would
win that matchup?
Jefferson, Favors, and Harris are from teams that are used to losing. That
combined with the Rookies is a bad combination. i don't think that they know
how to "expect" to win! Now I'm even expecting them to
lose...unbelievable and very frustrating! What a terribly disappointing season
in so many ways!!!
wow the Jazz are officially the worst team in the NBA. They obviously have
checked out and started vacation early. I don't remember the last time I
witnessed an NBA player shoot a foul shot 13 feet but Prices' airball was
embarrassing. I don't know what to think I have 4 tickets to the Lakers game on
Friday and I have no desire to watch that debacle. There must be major changes
this summer or next year will be no different.
I too watched the game and I'm wondering what Price did that was so spectacular?
He had 3 nice steals????I notice less and less posters. I'm just not
sure what to say other than, wow. Other than Favors and Hayward getting some
invaluable minutes this was horrible. Wizards huh? Two infamous road wins, wow.
We should have beat this time with our second string offense hands down.I'm afraid we better get use to this. I love the Jazz but long-term we
have issues. We lose AK for next year, Jefferson at this rate will want out and
once Favors starts shining he is gone. Pessimism I know but if history repeats
itself this just may happen again. Oh, I hope our brass is smarter than we think
and have some GREAT short-term and long-term goals in place to get us back
again. I love the Jazz and will till the end but this is dang dang hard folks.
Keep Favors, Hayward, Harris (back-up),CJ, Milsap (6th man), AJ (if he wants to
stay), AK(5 million-stock is dropping due to health issues) and dump the rest...
Once the rookies got it to overtime, they had done their job. Why, oh, why
didn't Corbin put the starters back in to start the overtime?I'm
still upset that he didn't tell Millsap to miss that 2nd free throw against the
Hornets.He is struggling big time as a head coach. I wonder if the
Millers are having 2nd thoughts about the multi-year deal they gave him?
CJ stop shooting 3's. Stop it, Stop it, Stop it...............Go to
the rack and finish. Stop being lazy and put the ball on the floor. I thought
you had learned but evidently you are going back to jacking up 3's when you need
to get to the hole.Please don't make me call you out again on here.
You are embarrassing me!!
The Utes would beat the Jazz at this point. Boylen is available.
Boy these trades are really paying off for the Jazz aren't they. Can't wait to
see what great trades happen over the off season. Maybe next year the Jazz will
be a lottery team for the 2013 season with any luck (worse team in the league
along with the Cavs).
Dreadful performance but still could have won if not for the free throw
shooting. 10 for 21? Are you serious??
I never thought the day would come that someone would actually get excited about
"letting our rookies " get valuable floor time b/c we were that
bad......It has actually come to this and I just want to wake up from this
horrific nightmare.CJ Miles, I agree.....I have defended CJ as well
but that was embarrassing. 3-12 from beyond??? Sad.....I will have
to agree many others on here regarding our trades and this is what it's boiled
down too? Really Jazz Brass? The Lakers are next? I just hope we can salvage
something here. Get a great pick in the draft and trade for some Leadership b/c
it's intuitively obvious we have non. Sorry, but our past loses were not smart
and it's showing. DWill be glad your gone brother...I hope we don't lose anymore
but then again are we dealing with the inevitable??? Sorry folks I am venting as
I'm just not happy with the current status. My bad...Todd??
This loss helps the draft pick. Moving up a position or 3 in a weak draft may
make a lot of difference. I am not thinking about nor worried about
the rest of this season. I am very interested in the draft picks and other
possible changes in the team for next year. I am sure KOC/Greg have
signaled to Corbin that it is okay to experiment with various combinations and
@patriot. Actually one of the pieces of the trade, the one that isn't hurt, yeah
Favors, he had a double double in 23 minutes and with the help of Hayward
brought us back from an 11 point hole. It isn't their fault we lost. This was lost at the free-throw line and our turnover machine backup point
guards. Aren't point guards supposed to be the best passers on the team? Geez.
We had 3 rookies playing with Price and Miles, as much as I love price he isn't
much of a player and his airballs from the 3 point and free throw line proved
that. The rookies have an excuse to throw the ball away but CJ and Price don't,
and they both made some bad mistakes. I actually enjoyed watching when they were
out there though, at least they were trying. Favors needs way more time...he
needs it and was very productive tonight.Corbin keeps saying he
doesn't want to make a big change and show he has given up on the season but I
think his players have made that decision for him. They played without any
energy or desire tonight and they got beat by a horrible team because of it.
Rookies aren't used to that playing time and they got tired. It is sad when your
rookies are showing you up.
Wasn't able to watch the game, would have loved to see the young rookies play,
CJ has got to come back next year ready to show he can be consistent or he needs
to be gone. I'll give him this one last chance, he has to come back next year
ready to be a leader and be dependable.Corbin needs to shut down all the
vets and play the young ones as much as he can and give them as much experience
as possible.Favors needs to be the man for these last two weeks. Roles
need to be learned and established.
@Captain L--brother you didn't miss much other than one of the worse teams in
the NBA beating us on our home floor--very sad indeed. On a positive note it was
nice seeing two rookies get us back into the game, aka Favors and Hayward. The
rest of the team.....I will leave that at that. Oh, AJ had some nice rebounds...
CJ has made consistently bad shooting decisions all season long. Get rid of
him; he needs to go (far away). I'm really sick of watching him play dumbo
basketball. I'm an avid Jazz fan, have been for 25 years (before Stockton and
Malone). I think this is the worst team I've ever seen on the floor (and the
injuries sure don't help). Hopefully, there will be some major changes this
summer. And I echo others that Corbin doesn't seem to have a clue.... Really
wish the Jazz hadn't given him multi-year contract so quickly.
Man hated to see them drop this game, I mean hated it to the Bullets none the
less, but was it cool to see the youngsters make a come back and take the lead,
yea that was exciting to see the kids play and make a difference with the vets
sitting on the bench.But guys hit some free throws will ya and this
game is a big W, Coach hit the gym tommorow and make everyone shot freebies.To many close games being lost by very simple things, Saturday miss a
freethrow and tonight hit your free throws.Keep playing the
youngsters coach! Let us fans get excited for next year let this be our summer
league that we can watch on the tube against the big boys.
yeah...we've hit bottom...but not that deep enough of a hole...this season is
lost...i knew that before the all-star break...early in the season...i posted
that...if they cant get going after the all-star break...they wont make it...and
there it goes...Sloan's era ended...D-Will gone...it made sure we wont get to
the playoffs...but two draft picks on a weak draft will...give us solid
pieces...but still a superstar short...Al has done a great job...but favors not
getting minutes...will not improve to the player we wanted him to be...All of
our rookies have a ton of potential...i just hope they make deals prior to the
draft...and about leadership...if you really are a born leader...whether you are
a rookie or not...you just step into that role...Kevin Durant took that role
when he was a rookie...same goes for Derrick Rose...i hope we could get one...to
put the team back on track
CJ and Al don't play in the offense enough. They shoot way to much. We need a
point guard in the draft. Brandon Knight is a good one. Hayward plays D and has
the size. He has rejected John Wall and Chris Paul acting like Dwight Howard.
FAVORS NEEDS TO PLAY. He is unstoppable out there and he is still 19.
Please let basketball season end.
@Captain Lto be honest...i dont want CJ to be the leader...the
leader should be the guy you would want to follow...and leads by example...are
you sure you want the other guys follow him?...For me...i think...the best
trading chip we have is...Paul Millsap...If we are going to develop Favors...we
need to trade Millsap...or else Favors would only get 15-20 mins a game...and
slows his improvement...and it will take a lot of time for him to develop...if
we are going on rebuild mode...its best to rebuild around the rookies that are
coming in...and trade for a veteran that would keep the team together...im in
favor of trading for Raymond Felton...im sure that Ante Tomic isnt the
answer...at the C...if we get Raymond Felton...i sure hope this would be the
starting 5 for next season...Al Jefferson Derrick Favors Hayward/Kirilenko CJ
Miles(if not traded) Raymond Felton...
@ bald eagle--wasn't just CJ but the majority of the team minus Favors and
Hayward. Very very sad.....A lot of players need to go next year. I am with
Captain L--I will give CJ one more shot and that's it. He better come prepared
next season and be a true leader this teams needs....I know a lot of you think
differently and that is fine. Again, keep Favors, Sap (6th man),
Hayward, Evans (work on a mid-range jumper and plenty of carbs, pal), CJ (one
more chance-that's it), Harris (work on a draft pick-Irving, Walker even Jimmer
at this point and make Harris earn the #1 spot for the whole year--maybe he can
be the floor general we need and get back to his all-star form), AJ (as PF and
occasional Center and then Favors can play the #4. We we need a true #5 and AJ
will have to learn to co-exist) and AK (5-7 million--no more as he is just to
injury prone as usual). Name not mentioned C ya.
@ Kakashi--we need a TRUE Center buddy. Night in and night out we are too
exposed underneath. AJ can play C at times and then Favors can get valuable
minutes playing #4. AJ is a better PF I feel. Heck play Favors at C when other
teams play small ball. There are options. Unless Paul can the learn the #3 we
may need to trade him. I hate to say it b/c I have always liked him.I agree we need a floor general that can lead and I'm not talking about CJ in
that role even though he will need something more than what he has now for sure.
CJ needs to step up but he will never be the catalyst this teams needs--this
falls squarely on the shoulders of the PG. I like Raymond Felton and have
mentioned him many many times in the past. I doubt we land him b/c most think
Harris is the future???? We will see. Irving, Walker or Knight would be nice
i'd rather see them cut cj and use the money to keep ak47, he simply isn't smart
enough to play at this level.
I don't think that most fans realize that the Jazz have a completely different
starting 5 than what we had most of last year and a new coach. Name one other
team that is in that same position that has a better record than the Jazz. So we
lost to the Wizards, big deal. What would a win have done for us anyway? We aren't making the playoffs so all the losses just help us get closer
to a better pick, and getting the rookies minutes is useful. Favors and Hayward
are looking good. Can't wait for the draft and to see CJ and Bell packing their
I feel some of the fans are being a bit harsh on this bunch. True, as a jazz fan
(20yrs for me!), we expect to win each and every game, esp at home, and really
really especially against bad teams.However, losing the star player and
hall-of-fame coach mid-season cannot be overcome easily play-wise as well as
psych wise.From what I watched, I think the jazz are still playing the
jazz-way, setting up the shots, etc. The newbies including the coach are having
their highs and lows, but I would wait until a full year in 11-12 before judging
them.@ColoJazzFan is absolutely right. We have some good players who are
sadly used to losing. Al I think has to raise his game 2-3 times in the final
minutes. Sadly that may not happen. I think its best if jazz trade him and work
on developing the youngsters going fwd.Heres looking fwd to a great season
next yr. Prediction: 45-37 or better! People who may emerge: Favors, Hayward,
ho hummmm... a loss to the wizards. we're officially one of the bottom 5 in the
league right now. at least the rookies get more playing time now. the '03-'04
team was supposed to only win 9 games(according to experts). but through grit,
heart and great coaching they won 42 games. this current team has the talent to,
at least, beat the bottom-feeders of the league. alas, it has no heart, no grit
and no coach. :(
Fes,Price,Bell, and Miles don't belong in the NBA. The Jazz have started summer
vacation and will not win another game this season. Pretty pathetic. This
payroll should be cut in half and get some players with heart and desire. This
current group would be lucky to win 20 games. Larry and Jerry are missed more
than meets the eye. Greg and KOC have ruined this team.
The Jazz need to give the rookies as many minutes as possible for the rest of
the year. I don't know where big Al's head is but he seems really upset. I hope
he will be willing to play hard for a new Jazz team next year and be a team
leader. At this point he seems interested in getting out of here. I'm not sure
why the Jazz would give Corbin an extension before he proved himself. They
should have made in an interim coach for the rest of this year before a longer
term deal. At this point I would rather explore some other options at coach. How
about the head coach at Butler. To be able to coach a team coming from a small
school like that to the final 4 in two consecutive years is really impressive.
He can't be making that much at Butler. Go Jazz!!
Please make it stop! This season can't end soon enough for me.
Please Larry send help from above! It appears that Kevin O'Connor and Greg
Miller are promoting their new book, How to destroy a team in 6 months or less.
I have never seen a Jazz team look so bad. What happened to playing defense?
What happened to ball movement? Whay are we just standing around?It looks
like Kevin O'Connor will have some additional first round picks to waste. It is
time to get a big man in the center that will allow other players to open up
their games. The next move the Jazz need to make is to send their GM packing as
soon as possible and hopefully Tyronne will lose the deer in the headlights
appearance and motivate somebody before his contract extension runs out.
@deno22You are right on the rooks would have had this without so
much help from Price. Hoping for a good young point in the lottery to back up
Harris next year. And everyone needs to stop whining... this team isn't ruined
both Favors and Hayward are going to be starters in this league for a long time.
Someone (Al or Millsap) is going to have to learn to come off the bench soon for
I did find a silver-lining. Ty was commenting on the TV last night
about his reasoning for leaving the rookies in the line-up. He said 'they had
EARNED it by their work in the 4th quarter to get into overtime'. That's
FANTASTIC. I totally agree. He needs to set the precedent that you
EARN your minutes and if you're playing well, you get more minutes. At this
point, I'll take anything positive I can find.I still can't believe
I'm following NJ and counting their losses. We have their pick this year in the
draft and that's the most exciting thing I've got to look forward to, for now.
The one bright spot was Favors. I love watching him play. He Dunks it over
people in traffic, and he can hit jumpers. I think he is going to be a player
in this league. It is always nice to have an athletic big man! The Jazz have
quit this season though or the vast majority. Last night they showed no
intensity except the back ups at the end.
Wow CJ, twelve 3-pointers. Sloan is probably rolling in his grave, or maybe
just in his corn field. Either way, that performance was Jimmerific!
When Sloan was coaching, he used to warn about guys getting used to the taste of
losing. I think Corbin's positive spin on everything, and the inconsistent play
of the team screams the fact that these guys have resigned themselves to losing.
They don't know HOW to win anymore, no matter what they try. Not only have the
wheels come off this bus, the entire bus is heading toward a bottomless pit.
Who was orchestrating the end of this game? This was bizarre with all the
rookies in the game, and no Big Al or Paul Millsap. I think we need a complete
housecleaning of coaching. Kevin O'Connor may even be part of this purging
possibility. There is no excuse for this game result. Frankly, it looked a bit
contrived and setup. This NBA is wearing me out with the sheer length of it. I
can't wait for it to be over. I'm ready for baseball. And if the all the
parties to the disputes in both the NBA and NFL don't work out the details of
their sports messes, we will have to move on to other forms of sports
entertainment. And please don't say it's the NHL only next fall. The seats at
the ESA are now masquerading as fans. It's unbelievable how many empty ones
there are these days of doom and gloom with the Jazz. The players are
sleepwalking as the season winds down, truly. Larry Miller in looking down on
all of this spectacle must be truly upset. It's going to be a long scenario to
Was this "rock bottom" or just the "Continental Shelf"? The
Whizzes were 1 and 35 on the road. The only other W was in Cleveland. With seven
tough games left, the J's may go 0 for the rest of the season.
I'm convinced that the Jazz are seriously making a push to get there own draft
pick to be in the top 10. Right now we have the 6th and 12th pick in the
draft.It's not such a bad move though considering they have 3
rookies this year and potentially 3 next year if Tomic comes over. Might as well
let the rookies play.I wasn't able to watch the game but Favors and
Hayward both had good box scores and let's face it their progression is what
matters most right now.
Good Grief! Are we really that bad?
The Jazz could write a book on " How to find creative ways to lose games
" Chapter 1, Change coaches mid season, Chapter 2, Trade away your best
player, Chapter 3, Hire an in-experience coach, Chapter 4, Have your players
find new injuries in order to miss games. Al is it your turn?? Chapter 5, Start
a new youth movement. And if that doesn't work turn to Page 66 for some more
tid-bits, Don't miss the foul shot with less than two seconds when the other
team has no time-outs, Page 67, dribble the ball off your foot and the end of
the game. Page 68, shoot an air-ball from the foul line with the game on the
line. Page 69, have a 33 percent three point shooter jack up 12 threes, page 70,
sign a washed up 34 year old shooting guard as your major off season move to
improve your team. Dare I go on??
Bell sure doens't appear to be the answer that we wanted. But you can't blame
the Jazz management for that. While we were signing him, Kobe and the Lakers
were trying to get him too. So he might not be panning out but at this point but
you can't blame everything on managment. They make mistakes, but it's the guys
wearing the high priced gym shoes that are playing without any desire or heart
as far as I can tell. We just need to rebuild and I still trust KOC can put the
pieces back together. Big Al has turned out to be every bit the replacement we
needed for Boozer. I'm pretty sure D-Will would have been gone after next year
so the Jazz took a shot that might still play out in the long run. It's alot
easier to manage the big city teams where the players all want to shine in that
spotlight. Remember, Jazz managment have a lot less to work with because big
name players to want to come here.
Can we fire the owner and the GM?
Ty Corbin is a joke.This team is now "allowed" to take bad
shots. They are "allowed" to be selfish. This has
resulted in one significant result:They are "allowed" to
lose almost every game.We now have a "losing" culture
where 4 players stand and watch Al Jefferson turn the Jazz into the
Timberwolves.I for one am no longer interested in this train wreck.
I hvae watched for almost 20 years but there is nothing to watch now.Losing to THE WORST road team in the NBA on what used to be the toughest home
court in the NBA?Well, all you Sloan-haters finally got what you
asked for.How is it going so far? Not enough losses yet to admit
how dumb you are? Don't worry there are alot more seasons like this coming.Good-bye Jazz.
Anyone else missing Sloan? This is getting old fast. We can now officially talk
about the "good old days" .. not pretty, are tickets prices coming
down next year? The quality of play has, and we the fans should be compensated
for their lack of effort and skill. When the Jazz make a run or even make the
play off, the management finds ways to up the ticket prices, turnaround, fair
play? At least watching TV I can take a much needed break.
they better hurry up and finish that book 'winning' before charlie sheen steals
all their ideas.
Honestly 10 for 21 from the line, jr high teams shoot better than that. Lack of
character.. pay them for what they are really worth and the average player would
be above the average worker say $250,000 annually but millions for 47.7% effort
(10 for 21), let's make them pay. If I had an employee giving 47%, he'd be
gone, so would his supervisor.
Raja Bell.18 minutes.1 for 6.3 points.A starter.Are you kidding me?
@Moto X You're kidding right? Miss Sloan? Corbin is an exact duplicate of
Sloan and his coaching style. What adjustments did Corbin make when
he took over the team? None. The most telling thing about Corbin is his lack of
a single technical. Corbin hasn't put himself out there once in defense of his
players. If I was Big Al and my coach was lecturing me on being
positive rather than getting tossed out of the game with me, I'd be longing for
my days in Minnesota.
Let's look at the situation.......Harris and AK, both starters, were
in street clothes. This team is already bad when everyone is healthy. With two
starters out, they are really bad. This game was lost in the second quarter
when the Wizards pounded the Jazz bench becuase there isn't really a bench on
the Jazz.The other problem is Corbin is not an NBA coach. He is
clueless when it comes to coaching at that level.This team has no
discipline or help defense. No one plays together. It is a "Me"
first team. CJ and AJ have never seen a shot they didn't like. But on the
other hand, who else is going to score on this team? What they all need to
realize is unless they play together, they are not good enough to win playing
one-on-one basketball on either end.Price and Watson can not shoot.
Other than Hayward, no one on the bench is a scorer except maybe Favors and he
should be starting instead of Millsap.
Larry's a turning over and over, the boy just can't handle the reins. Turn it
over to Mrs. Miller, whe'll turn it around. Call Sloan, make him the GM, and
Coach, let him draft the players, trade them, cut them, coach them. The fans who
don't like him, tell'em to stay home, the rest of us like winners and that's
something of the past. Hornacek ready yet? Stockton ready to join Jeff? At least
then we'd have two player willing to give a 100% instead of 47% (10for 21 from
the line). I hope the players, management and coaches are reading these post,
they could learn something.
Al Jefferson should have been taught to adjust his style to a winning system
when he got here.Instead he has been allowed to drag an entire team
into a pit of losing just like his last team.Watching this guy go 1
on 2 or 1 on 3 possession after possession while everyone stands and watches is
not compelling entertainment....and it doesn't win games either.He
still can't pass, he still can't defend, and he still can't rebound when it
matters.As a result he has brought a culture of putting up stats on
what is now a bad team like his last one.Package him up with some of
the other young talent (because we will clearly have too much youth after the
draft) and get a star that can actually help a team win.Al Jefferson
has a career record of losing games and now he seems to have brought it here.
Al Jefferson is the best player the Jazz have. Corbin should have had his back
when he got those technicals and got thrown out rather than throwing him under
the bus. Jefferson has only gotten 4 techs all year. It's not like this is an on
going issue. If I were Jefferson I woun't have been pumped to play the next game
either. And now being benched at the end of the game when you're the best
player? I wouldn't blame Al for demanding a trade. Corbin handled this ALL
WRONG. He should be motivating his players not doggin them. He as a LOT to
Everyone has opinions just like body parts, well here are a few of mine. Quit
the whinning fans, this season was done when the "malcontent" decided
he was going to run this show and also hold this organization hostage over his
opt out clause next year, thus forcing out 2 good coaches with his attitude in
the process.Now make sure you draft or trade for future players that want
to play team ball and live in SLC. Next continue to clean the "whole"
house now that it is started. That means players like Price who airballed
several shots last night besides his unforced turnovers is not signed. Fess,
Watson, Okur, Bell, A.K., and possibily Miles all need new addresses. Take a
hard look at unheralded players in the draft like those with VCU & Butler
have. The new CBA will no doubt change other teams rosters as well, so look at
trades and bought out players along with free agents for help before just
drafting rookies.I still belive this boat will float, just get different
byronbca may have a point. It worked for OKC. Maybe it could work here.
A positive note here, losing is never fun. However, you don't get lottery talent
being the 4th or 5th best team in the West which is where the Jazz were before
they blew this whole thing up. The Jazz tried a quick fix with Booz, Memo, A.K.
and D-will unfortunately they didn't have enough players to get over the top.
They tried the Piston model of winning a championship and it didn't work.
Meanwhile, OKC and Portland built through the draft and except for injuries,
they seem to have a better future. Utah is back on track trying to follow the
small market Spurs model. We just need the ping-pong balls to cooperate. Before
we kill KOC, the Jazz could pile up several lottery picks in the next couple of
years instead of over the next five years, shed salary and with a new CBA coming
up they could jump right back into the playoffs with a team like OKC.
Continuing further regarding a Jazz overhaul, I definetly believe the Jazz need
to hire a big man coach and a defensive specialist coach. Let Layden move to
scouting or some other staff job because quite frankly he is no coach in this
league! I can live with KOC because he knows many other Gm's and this last deal
with NJ was a good deal for this organization being that D-Will sucker punched
everyone. Just be patient Jazz fans, how many of you have had the whole rug
pulled out for under you and jumped right back overnight to where you were
before that happened?
Seriously...Kirilenko? A pay cut?For the good of the
team?Right...."Ivan make basket."
I think there are too many Jazz Fans out there that forget where the success for
this team came from over the last 25 years.Just look at the 97
finals year a 64-18 record. Karl Malone and John Stockton middle 1st round draft
picks from small colleges, Jeff Hornacek trade late 2nd round draft pick, Bryon
Russell 2nd round draft pick, Shandon Anderson 2nd round draft pick, Greg
Ostertag late 1st round draft pick, Antoine Carr good role playing vet and the
highest draft pick of the bunch at 8th overall, and who could forget Foster,
Eisley, Keefe, Morris and Mr. Twelfth man Steven Howard. Coached by Hall of
Famer J. SloanAll I am getting at is these were all underrated
players at one time in their career, they were passed over at one point and when
put together they looked like the island of Misfit toys from Rudolph the red
nose reindeer cartoon. The common goal of all these men were that they wanted to
work hard and hated to lose. Too bad they had to play against Jordan and Co. Draft players who want to work
We have to really be completely oblivious to Kirilenko's ongoing injury after
injury, some are probably phantom injuries and others are a figment of his
imagination. I thought the so called Russian bear was tough, but he seems to be
such a Euro softy. I think its time for these jolly sailors to get out their
fishing poles. They seem disinterested, the coach is treading water, and
management and ownership have sunk this ship. The Utah Titanics aka the Utah
Charmin are now heading towards being dubbed the Utah Spazz.
@ Silly Rabbit, the NBA is a star driven league. Malone and Stockton were two of
the biggest hence the 64-18 record with scrubs. It helps when your stars are
your hardest workers. However, no stars, no calls, no wins.......It's easier to
get stars, with today's scouting in the lottery than it will be for a team to
have lightning strike twice in the same place like it did for the Jazz with
Stock and Malone. The Jazz had their share of 1st round blunder back then as
well. SA has done well with Manu and Tony, however, without Robinson &
Duncan where would they be?....no championships.....Outside of Favors, who on
the Jazz would you say could be a potential HOF type of player? no one....the
Jazz need Lotto luck this year. Your reasoning may be correct with Hayward
though, and I agree draft hardworking smaller city players who will think SLC is
No team has won a NBA championship, since the Detroit team, without a superstar
on the team. And you could make a case that Detroit had four stars on that
team.The Jazz let their superstar go. Until they replace him with
another superstar, the chances of being an elite team is zero.AJ has
proven he is a loser no matter where he plays. Might be a reason? He may be
the team-killer. He may be the reason Jerry left?
With the way things are going the Jazz will offer AK an extended contract worth
20 million a year, draft completely worthless undersized shooting guards, and
resign Fez to a huge contract. And to top it all off, they will let Corbin keep
running the ship into the rocks.Is anyone in the Jazz organization
even care any more?
mkSdd3: Hey the NBA is a business. No one said that all business is ran by
smart people.The beauty of it is the following: The Jazz put a
winning team on the floor or the fans will stop buying tickets, etc.Economics always wins in business............For Larry's sake,
let's hope management rights the ship!!
Detroit '04 had no HOFers but five All-Stars in their primes inc a multi-time
DPOY...and they still lose if Malone's healthy and Kobe not treasonous over his
silly Shaq feud.Corbin has not had a good week, but he's not going
anywhere anytime soon, and his hands have been tied by injury. He needs to
bring the hammer down on CJ & esp Price on their 3-shooting, tho Price
should never play; I'd rather see Hayward & CJ alternate bringing it up than
him. Rookies were gallant but gassed at the end of regulation.Favors needs to start at the 4, Sap at 3 if AK out, CJ at 2, plenty of
time for Hayward & Evans, nothing for Bell & Price the rest of the
season. Harris needs to be the oldest player on the Jazz' next training camp
roster.As feared, that 40 point game was the worst thing to happen
to CJ. He was good the next game, indescribably atrocious these past five. 19%
on 5.8 threes per game!
@amgolferi agree with you...we need an anchor on the defense...and
it must be a C that's willing to do the dirty work...To be honest...i wanted to
trade Al Jefferson...yes...he is a good low post player with a lot of moves in
the paint...but...his style of play restricts the team...i hope we can trade him
for Samuel Dalembert and the Kings' first round pick...i want favors to
start...yes he is a rookie...but...havent you noticed...that rookies who
started...usually gets better faster...because the coach shows they believed in
them...it takes a lot of pressure off...i'd rather have a lot of solid rookies
next year starting...rather than a veteran who gives half the effort...trade
harris as well...for another pick...if we get 4 first round picks this
draft...we might have a solid core of 7 guys on contract for a lot of
years...think about the guys we could get...
As of today there are 13 teams with a worse record than the Utah Jazz. The belly
aching and complaining is getting ridiculous. Also did you fans that complain
daily ever realize that some of those teams have been in that position for
several years now? I am as disapointed as alot of you are but I have faith that
with the foundtion of young players and a couple of the veterans we have now
that this will be a quick turn around. If D-Will hadn't punked us this would not
of happened as bad as it is. Thats the primma-donna that caused our wreck. Keep
faith for a year or two.
If we traded harris and Al Jeff for a first round pick this year and two first
round picks next year..we would be able to rebuild the team...and have all of
them on contract for a few years...just like in OKC...think about it...getting
an extra pick this year...and 2-3 picks next year...this year...we could
get...Kemba Walker...Perry Jones...and Enes Kanter...could be our starting PG SF
and C...favors being PF either CJ if he is not traded or Hayward at SG...that
would be a tall lineup...their development would also be a lot quicker...since
most of them are new guys...and they would be willing to listen...and work and
play together as a team...look at how OKC went...the veterans there didnt have a
major role...it was durant who owned the leadership of the team...at that
time...a rookie...i know there wont be a durant at the draft...and this approach
would probably take a few years...
I don't know what all of you are thinking that we need to trade Big Al. Holy
cow, he is the closest thing we have to a star player. For all of you whinning
that he doesn't play defense you honestly are not that smart to make that
judgement. As an out of place center on this team he does a good job of
rebounding and blocking shots (better than the PF playing here last year and
making a lot less money I might add). When you see guards driving down the
middle of the lane and scoring lay ups on the Jazz, that is bad defense but it's
not always the centers fault when that happens. Big Al is proving himself as a
big time scorer and he just needs to be surrounded with better players. Al is
scoring inside when others teams can afford to double team him because we don't
have an outside threat. So quit begging the Jazz to trade the player that we
need to build a team around or we will be in the mess we're in for an even
@Dr. TruthYou are correct sir Stockton and Malone were bonfied STARS and
the best in thier positions, but I think too many people get caught up in the
higher the pick in the draft the better the player will be, but as we all know
its a gamble. I to like this young man Mr.Favors I think he will be a good one
and will live up to that potential, what I think the Jazz need to do is find a
hard working Vet that can lead by his example but man o man they're hard to find
out there (maybe Malone will come back a play a few minutes a game). But what I
am trying to get at was Lighting in a bottle is hard to find, but if you find
players that want to work hard every minute of the game it just makes things
better for the team, fans, coaches, the bear, the jazz dancers, and will bring
that home court advantage back to the home formaly known as the Delta Center.
Here's what I think the Jazz should do in the offseason. Trade Harris to
Portland and bring back Matthews. Portland currently has 3 SGs and since Wallace
went there Matthews numbers have dropped off. If we trade Harris, we should
trade up in the draft and get Irving and keep Watson. Put Millsap at the 3 and
we would have a startling line up of Al, Favors, Millsap, Matthews,
Irving/Watson. We could have Hayward, AK, Evans, CJ and our other picks/trades
coming off the bench. If we can't get rid of Okur he could come off the bench
too. This would also probably put us way out of luxury tax range.
Amen redcliffs! Moto X doesn't know what he is talking about. The
T-Wolves would only give up their Hall-of-Famer in a trade that included Big Al
and the Celtics almost didn't make the trade. Let's hope the Jazz
draft well, throw some money at free agents Shannon Brown and Micheal Redd, fire
Corbin, and hire JVG. Post lockout the Jazz could start Okur, Big
Al, Millsap, Redd, and Harris with Brown, Flash, Favors, AK, Price, Tomic,
Evans, Jimmer, and Perry Jones coming off the bench. I realize this
will only happen if Greg hires me to replace Randy Rigby and based on the Corbin
mistake, the Jazz are more about loyalty than winning.
@redcliffsi know that Big Al is a tremendous talent on the low
block...its either him or millsap....i would really love to see the Jazz give
Favors the starting minutes he needs to mature and grow and improve to his
potential...the Tandem of Big Al and Favors might be our David Robinson and Tim
Duncan (only not that great)..Paul needs to come off the bench..to provide that
spark..he could be like Malik Rose during that time..provides energy and hustle
off the bench abusing the other team's back up bigs..as for the trading
harris...im all in favor of it..its either for getting irving..or..getting a
defensive C plus a draft pick to get Kemba Walker..we could draft..Perry Jones
and Jan Vasely to resolve the wing woes..two 6'11 players who can play the wing
spots..think about the matchup problems they will give against opposing teams..a
line up of..Big Al Favors Jones/Vasely CJ/Hayward Walker/Harris could do
wonders..i also dont like to focus on this draft alone...we should send scouts
to take a look at next year's draft...
@Indy05--I like the thought. However, three things. First, I really think we
need a true center in our lineup. I like AJ at #4 splitting time with Favors. If
done right, Favors could see significant minutes next year. Remember, that AJ
could move over to play C at times or when the other team goes small. Second,
I'm not convinced that Sap can play #3?? I like the idea, but could he play that
position??? Is he quick enough and could he stop #3 position night in and night
out? I have my doubts but nevertheless like the idea. Third, get Irving. We will
not be disappointed. This kid has serious talent/game. All around talented PG in
all aspects. After a year or two no would even remember DWill was here. Oh, I
would love Matthews back--for Harris, nice thought. Don't forget Felton though.
Can you imagine Felton/Irving/Matthews in the back-court......sweetness and
lights out....I know, wishful thinking like
@amgolferI've seen you post about Felton before and I agree he would be a
great pick up. I don't know if Denver will part with him though. Lawson is
pretty small so I think they would give him up before Felton, but I could be
wrong. A true center has been the Jazz's biggest problem for a
while. I think that if we could get Irving our second pick could be focused on
the 5 position.Millsap at the 3 is worth I shot. AK could come off
the bench as a PF (more suited to him anyway) and he and Millsap could rotate
defensively based on who we are playing. How many teams besides the Heat have an
allstar SF and PF? So if we are playing OKC Millsap can rotate down low and we
can put AK on Durant. I think Matthews would solve so many problems
and Portland wanted Harris really bad during trade window.
@Indy05--I know Denver loves Lawson and may be reluctant letting Felton go as
well--I wouldn't. It will be interesting to see. Felton is not tall, listed 6'1
and Lawson an inflated 5'11. I'm not sure what Felton's contract is either.
Nevertheless, I would love the move. He is solid and has come into his own. He
loves to run....We will see but it's a nice thought.I know we don't need
an allstar Center. But we need one. One that can play mean defense, block shots,
rebound (double digits), and give us 10-14 pts-get it done KOC.I like AK
coming off the bench and altering with Sap. It remains to be seen whether he can
play 3 and we should give it a shot; I just wouldn't hold my breath for too
long. We have guys that can play multiple positions and that is an asset. AK,
Hayward, AJ, Favors and possibly Sap.....If we could get Matthews back for
Harris do it. Salaries match/close. We may have to trade to move up in the draft
but I like Irving....Bring it....
Indy05Don't you think there's a reason Portland wants Harris?
Perhaps because is a talented PG in the right system? Also, why are
so many Jazz fans clamoring for a 5 when a young, legit 7 footer is sitting on
the bench. The Jazz don't need Fes to score, simply be big and fill up the
lane. Look around the NBA and I bet you can't find 10 Centers who are better
than Fes. Fes is the latest example of the Sloan/Corbin system of
failure. Why would the draft bring any hope when Kofus, Almond, Miles,
Humphries, Snyder, Stevenson, and now Hayward have all been put in positions of
failure by coaches who want players to adapt their skill sets to a system rather
than adapting the system to the players' skills. Hire JVG! Hire JVG!
Sloan Hater--I will take my chances on Harris....Let Portland snag him for
Matthews. If we can pick up Felton great and maybe pick up a solid PG in the
draft such as Irving. Now, should we hold onto Harris (which is most likely the
case) great; he can then prove that he's a great floor general and Irving can
compete with him and then we'll see. I'm not down on Harris as I know he has
game but he has a lot to show and I will give him a chance. About
Fes.......I have always defended him and thought he was product of his
environment. Now, I can definitely name 10 Centers in the league that are better
than Fes--easily, maybe not 7 footers but 10 better/listed Centers. People have
commented on CJ's maturity and I question Fes's as well. I ask is Fes mentally
tough enough to be in this league? Remains to be seen and we may never know.
It's obvious his work ethic is serious lacking and you can't blame that on
coaching. Other things yes but not that.
Sloan HaterNow the question is can Sap play #3? I am curious to
what you think regarding that.....Indy05 posed the question and it has been
brought up in the past on these forums...a lot of posters think it's a no
@SloanHaterDon't get me wrong, Harris is good, but if we could get
Irving in the draft then he is expendable and Matthews fills a huge hole for us.
Plus Matthews is pretty inexpensive compared to other guys with his numbers and
defensive ability. I agree that Fes was never given much of a chance
but the coaches must see something we don't, if he was that great then they
would be playing him more. Maybe with the playoffs out of reach they will start
giving him more minutes. I think that you are a little hard on
Corbin. It's easy to coach from the bleachers but there is a reason why they are
on the bench and we are not. He's had to deal with a lot changes in the
organization recently and players keep getting injured. We should have a better
idea of how good of a coach he is next year.
i told yall aleWEDY size is all that matters,nthing else,if this is
truemillsap can play the three,if he isn't already.
What makes anyone think Portland would give Mathews up? I don't think it would
happen, Mathews has proven himself to be a top notch 2, who can score and play
D. IMO they wouldn't give him up for Harris, I wouldn't.I would love to
see the Jazz draft, PJones or Vesely to play the 3, then draft a point guard for
the future or Jonas (defensive minded center).
@Indy05im not sure portland would be giving up Matthews anytime
soon...i really love Felton...but im not sure denver would let him
go...especially for another PG...unless...probably we offer them a big...and
they might target Favors...Im pretty sure Millsap isnt fast enough for the 3...i
mean...he would have to guard...Kevin Durant...Lebron James...Carmelo
Anthony...and the like...quickness would be an issue defending elite 3's....even
guys who come off the bench...I'd rather see Millsap go off the bench as a back
up PF...and some say...Young Legit 7 footer on Fes...yup..he is young..he is 7
footer...he does take up space...and that's just about it...he is only a third
or second string C at best...i would take Darko Milicic over him any day...We
wont get a defensive C at the draft as well...If we really were serious about
that position...we would have inquired about Perkins at the trade
deadline...other than him...I like Omer Asik...DeAndre Jordan...Jevale
Mcgee...Anderson Varejao...Larry Sanders