The problem with Pagan is that he feels it is fine for us as Americans to be
told what we have to have. That it is okay for the government to assist is any
country is good diplomacy. To create a healthcare bill that basically takes
away the freedom of capitalism is communistic. It is true we have socialism in
Social Security, Medicare/Medicade and other institutions. Liberals want
unified healthcare and conservatives don't. Mitt Romney had it right leave it
to the State to decide, not the national government. It is working fine in
Massachusettes but it will never work right at a national level. Funding it
going to be expensive as it is.By the way all of the assistance the
Church is administering to Japan each member who gives to the Humanitarian fund
has helped pay for that assistance. That is voluntary. My tithing pays for the
Church buildings, land, books, scriptures and etc. It is voluntary and if I
want to attend the Temple then I will be a full tithe payer. If I don't then
I'm not. It is my sacrifice not yours.
Pagan | 11:35 a.m. March 29, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "I realize
you will never see a connection to calling healthcare 'Communism'...and
then see the contradiction of offering aid to countries in need. That is your
agenda. And I understand."Clearly, since I have not addressed
that, nor is that my agenda, you do not understand. And, while I can explain it
to you, I can't understand it for you.
umm..Pagan...do you understand the difference between compulsory and charitable
giving? Just sayin'.
Pagan | 11:35 a.m. March 29, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTAnd I
understand.---------------I doubt it.
Using articles about people doing good to try and score political points makes
any claim that someone applauds the work being done a hallow action.
I would point out that Church website end in .org. lds dot com is a website
that is owned by a company that has absolutely nothing to do with The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
'However, it really doesn't matter what the LDS church does, does it? You always
manage to find some fault in what they do.' - Chris B | 10:48 a.m.
You misunderstand. I APPLAUD the LDS church to help Japan! I find fault with 1) people who decry goverment healthcare...while at the
same time donating, literally MILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid...
and 2) The claim that goverment healthcare for Americans is 'communism'... while at the SAME time placing restrictions in religious orginazations
due to a LACK of tithing. Have you paid your 10%? Have you audited about it? *'A leadership perspective on communism' - By Timothy R. Clark - DSNews
- 03/28/11 'It (Communism) crushes underfoot troublesome concepts such as
free will, the rule of law, restraint of governmental power and moral
authority.' I realize you will never see a connection to calling
healthcare 'Communism'... and then see the contradiction of offering
aid to countries in need. That is your agenda. And I understand.
Pagan | 9:27 a.m. March 29, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT I don't
believe anyone said it wasn't ok if the government did it. But, if you can't see
the difference between government aid (which I pay for) and church aid (which I
don't), then there are larger lessons to learn here.Socialism? No.
Communism? No. Simply helping those in need? Yes. However, it really
doesn't matter what the LDS church does, does it? You always manage to find some
fault in what they do. That's your agenda, and we understand.
'LDS Church distributing relief aid in Japan' - Article
Um...socialism? Communism? Oh, wait! Wait!
It's perfectly fine if your church does it. Just, not your
Gee gush-duh, what a weird question. I guess it had to be asked. Lets just say
that the response was quick, and with logistics needing to happen, it takes some
time to give out assistance to all who might need it. Take into account, what
buildings they can use, people who are injured, damaged roads, damaged
buildings, communication lines, possible radiation problems, etc. You just don't
dump stuff in the middle of nowhere, where the people aren't, or in a place,
where it ends up being contaminated. When service is given in the church, it is
given by the heart, not trying to be in the headlines, or be noticed. If you
look on the church website, you will see what is happening, but it is really to
give an account of the funds used, inwhich the members have contributed their
own money so that the church can help people in need. And not just in Japan.
From the Article: What are Blanks and why is the church distributing them?
Some LDS sponsored aid was almost immediate, as there are storehouses in the
area. The biggest problem in distributing aid supplies is the damage to roads
and other forms of transportation, as well as the lack of fuel. The Church has
been working quickly to supply fuel, food, clothing, blankets, water, and other
needed supplies. If you look on the LDS.com website, at the News updates, there
is more explained there. The chapels and other church facilities that have not
been damaged have been used as shelters. Local volunteers have distributed a
variety of needed supplies within a few days after the earthquake, and continue
to do so. Of course, a big priority was ascertaining the locations and
conditions of the missionaries in the area, and moving them to safer areas, as
well as assessing the condition of the members, and accounting for them.
Humanitarian aid is given to all who need it, regardless of religion or race.
The Church has also sent money to purchase supplies locally, as well as from
It is good to see those who appreciate the good have began to speak out.
The earthquake hit Sendai on March 11, 2011. This triple-catastrophe in and
around Sendai the magnitude-9.0 earthquake, ensuing tsunami and subsequent
radiation threats. Does anyone know when LDS church sponsored aid reached Japan?
What a strange bunch of posts! I would like to echo a couple of them that just
said "Thanks" for the response. The Church has been mobilizing and
gathering and making arrangements for distribution ever since the quake and
tsunami occurred. Transportation and distribution have been difficult, due to
the damages to roads and airports. I know that all that is possible to do will
be done. And again, thanks!
A simple thanks to the church for offering such humanitarian services, which
applies to ALL residents of Japan. It's sorely needed.
I agree with this statement: "There are some people who are so stuck on
their conspiracy theories that they inject them into every discussion. It is
generally best to ignore their comments."In my experience, JPL
has typically been one of them!
Oh STOP making a fuss... Just be thankful that someone is helping out people in
There are some people who are so stuck on their conspiracy theories that they
inject them into every discussion. It is generally best to ignore their
comments.I am encoraged that a response is being done to help the
people of Japan. This is a good thing.
Re: LDS Liberal - 12:32 p.m. Farmington, UT Ah radiation.Reply: I believe the only irrational panic was sometime back in Utah, when it
was to be fully used as a dumping ground Radioactive Waste, then the LDS Church
really tossed a fit, because it effected them and their pritties and parks etc?.
Radioactive rainwater recorded eastern US our food and also our drinking water
supply is unaffected by this short-term, slight elevation in radiation, but it
takes more then a drop to fill the glass long term. When you take in any
amounts of radioactive iodine linked to Japan's crippled nuclear power station
that have turned up in rainwater samples as far away as Massachusetts and
Florida, it stays where it landed. The question was will the Mormon Church start
distributing relief aid in America when we all start glowing in the dark and die
off quickly in that painful death?.
Re: Brother Chuck Schroeder | 12:08 p.m. March 28, 2011 You may be
right, and there may be more to this than we are being told. For your own
safety may I suggest you start sleeping in a lead lined room and drink only
filtered water that has been tested for radioactivity.After Iran
gets the "Bomb" I'm predicting the situation will only get worse.
I know the LDS CHurch mobilizes quickly. Kudos to all those helping.
Ah radiation.That SciFi word used in every B rate movie from 1945-1972.Do the key words "above normal" have any meaning?We are being exposed to radiation constantly - hence the word
"normal".It can be 40 degrees, and still be down right
cold outside - but can be considered "above normal".Stop
the irrational panic.
Re: Rifleman - 11:58 a.m. Salt Lake City, Utah RE: Brother Chuck
Schroeder | 11:25 a.m. March 28, 2011 Public health officials
said......Reply: What makes them a expert?. They are not MD's. And
that's not what we hear here, it's in the food to.Re: TJ - 11:50
a.m. Eagle Mountain, UT Brother Chuck SchroederAre you trying to
make a point with this random rant? Reply: If I were making my ole
"Rant n Raves" I would of said: "The Eiffel Tower was evacuated
after a suspicious package was found. French investigators were baffled by this
object for hours. It turns out it was just a can of deodorant. They had never
seen anything like that. According to a new report, 65 million Americans have a
criminal record. So in the event of a continued lockout, NFL owners will have
plenty of replacement players. According to the latest reports, medical
marijuana sales in this country are now approaching $2 billion a year. I had no
idea that so many people had glaucoma. Apparently this is an epidemic." I hope that answered your question?. Happy Great Salt Lake,
Spring Break in Utah.
RE: Brother Chuck Schroeder | 11:25 a.m. March 28, 2011 Public
health officials said the "trace amounts of radiation" detected in the
United States pose no health risks to our drinking water.Translations: You face a greater cancer risk standing next to the smoker
Brother;Are you trying to make a point with this random rant?
The Mormon Church distributing relief aid in Japan. It's just glowing. Japan's
prime minister has seen a bounce in his approval rating in the first major
opinion poll since the country's earthquake and tsunami. This will knock out
CB's and Ham Radio's as well, so how we know what's going on in Japan?. SOLAR
RADIO STORM: A profusion of emerging sunspots has kicked off a days-long radio
storm on the sun. VHF receivers on Earth are picking up loud bursts that sound
like waves crashing on a beach. This ongoing event continues a recent trend of
increasing activity as Solar Cycle 24 heats up. Some experts do fault Kan for
not taking faster and more decisive action, and being notably absent from the
public eye. He has only held two news conferences since the crisis began.
There's no high degree of transparency here. Japan's damaged nuclear plant
raced to pump out contaminated water suspected of sending radioactivity levels
soaring as officials warned that radiation seeping from the complex was
spreading to seawater and soil. What about Japan's fault that now Radioactive
rainwater is now recorded eastern US and Florida?.