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Published: Monday, March 28 2011 10:31 a.m. MDT

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DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

This standoff is all part of the plan.

The only way out of this debt crisis is to cut services and raise taxes. The GOP is playing a game of brinkmanship. Since they don't have the votes necessary to pass reform legislation they'll let the Dems run on and on, racking up debt with spending spiraling out of control until the economy collapses. At that point the government will be FORCED to act, merely to save its own neck. Then we will see the drastic measures that are necessary to get this nation back on the right track.

Want to see where we are headed? Go check out some of the "austerity" measures being forced on European citizens now. Wage and benefit cuts for government workers, raising the retirement age, drastic reduction in education and social welfare spending, large tax hikes, etc.

Europe has already made the tough choices... they weren't popular, but they were necessary. Our time will come, just wait.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

Cutting waste and having a more efficient military budget is where the Trillions of dollars is going. Also cutting out tax loopholes for corporations and the super rich would also close the gap. Of course, Republicans will tell you to rip it from the poor and the working and middle class.

milhouse
Atlanta, GA

The Republican belief that our budget issues can be solved with cuts to discretionary spending are absolutely ridiculous.

Our budget problems are not so severe in the current year, but in the medium-to-long term as baby boomers tap into social security and public sector pensions, and as healthcare costs skyrocket. Any proposals that do not address these issues are mere whitewashing.

Unfortunately, the party who is courageous enough to point out the long-term structural problems will get completely hammered in the next election. Democrats at least realize that the world needs to keep turning while we get the long-term issues sorted out.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

We are a nation of freeloaders...get the so-called poor who can work off the dole.....eliminate redundant govt agencies and Obamacare....and get us out of Afgan and Middle East conflicts ....$100 Billion cut is not too much to ask of these bureaucrates in DC....

sjgf
South Jordan, UT

The article quotes a Democratic senator from NY thusly, "The speaker knows that when it comes to avoiding a shutdown, his problem is with the tea party, not Democrats."

Translation: The tea party folks want one thing (bringing government under control) and we Democrats want the opposite (keeping government spiraling, like the Titanic, to the bottom of the ocean). Since we Democrats are as unbending as the tea party, we'll blame them for being unbending, and hope the press relays that message so they'll get the blame before Democrats take the blame for being unbending.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'WASHINGTON The specter of a partial government shutdown looms again as Congress returns to Washington with Democrats and Republicans as far apart on a bill to keep the government running as they were two weeks ago.' - Article

Everything old is new again...

*'Memories of 1995 haunt GOP as shutdown talk grows' - By Charles Babington - AP - Published by DSNews - 02/20/11
'WASHINGTON Few memories haunt Republicans more deeply than the 1995-96 partial shutdown of the federal government, which helped President Bill Clinton reverse his falling fortunes and recast House Republicans as stubborn partisans, not savvy insurgents.'

As for that $100 Billion....

*'Republicans promise $100 billion in spending cuts' - By Andrew Taylor - AP - Published by DSNews - 02/10/11

*'How the House GOP promise to cut $100b became $32b' - By Luke Russert - NBC

Am I saying Obama is good with debt?

No.

Has he only had 2yrs?

Yes.

Vs. 8yrs and two wars.

And previously with debt...

*'Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt' - Posted by Mark Knoller - CBSNews - 03/04/10

Line:
'With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.'

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

There is no money. We are broke except for what we borrow from the Chinese.

While $100B cuts in discretionary spending are a good start, even an essential start, the weasels in Washington rather buy votes now than restore our country to sound fiscal policy.

The real work needed, which must be done, will be to dismantle the entitlement programs of the left and return to self reliance not a culture of dependency. Huge cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, slashing Social Security, ending handouts for all sorts of pork projects, etc.

Defense is already a smaller percentage of federal spending than any time in history, and it has been cut to the point where we are no longer a world power, merely a shadow of the past, and running out of ships, aircraft and supplies.

Either we cut spending, (meaning real major cuts!) or we go bankrupt and one of the popular programs will be funded. Cut now, or live with the consequences later.

Politicians who refuse to make serious spending cuts must be replaced.

Raising taxes is not the answer, as Washington will spend more than they take in.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The Tea Party people are showing their colors, multi-colors. They don't have real direction as they belong to so many philosophies. One thing they do want is change, just as President Obama wanted change.
They have to have a common goal, which they don't have. There are problems with Government at all levels, that is one thing that is sure. The Tea Party people don't have a polar star. They have got candidates elected but without becoming part of the Republican Party, they will never get their part done. Even the Founding Father's had to compromise on some of their principles, just not their core values of Integrity and Honesty. They knew that.
Tea Party people were able to take down Senator Bennett. Now, however, Senator Lee has his job to keep his small numbers of Tea Party people happy, going in different directions. He is not the same personality as Representative Chaffetz and will have his growing and maturing process in the Diplomatic arena of the Senate. Senators decorum is important and their mark. Representatives can be a different type of person and Representative Chaffetz is definitely different for Utah's image.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 9:53 a.m. March 28, 2011

The US has a corporate tax rate of 35%, and corporations like CISCO have taken their business and employment to Switzerland where they have a 5-7% tax rate. The result is that the US is losing over $60 Billion a year. It was on "60 Minutes" yesterday and is easy enough to Google.

It doesn't matter how much revenue the federal government brings in if it can't control how much it spends. Michael Jackson proved that point.

Murray Dad
Murray, UT

Why dance around the crux of the deficit proplem?
US military spending accounts for 46.5 percent, or almost half, of the worlds total military spending
US military spending is 7 times more than China, 13 times more than Russia, and 73 times more than Iran.
US military spending is some 44 times the spending on the six rogue states (Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) whose spending amounts to around $16 billion.
US spending is more than the next top 14 countries at least.
The United States and its strongest allies (the NATO countries, Japan, South Korea and Australia) spend something in the region of $1.1 trillion on their militaries combined, representing 72 percent of the worlds total.
The six potential enemies, Russia, and China together account for about $169 billion or 24% of the US military budget.
A reduction of 10% in the defense budget would cover all the proposed cuts in social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

Where were you Tea Party deficit hounds when Bush committed us to 2 unending wars with terrible leadership? Maybe you should have spoken up 8 years ago. Your arguments fall on deaf ears now. Now you just want to rip it from the poor, working class, the struggling instead of greedy corporation paying their fair share.

Oh, I know, I know, you guys love Reaganomics. The trickle down effect. Guess what? Lack of jobs is from the tax breaks and loopholes that the super rich and corporations sent those jobs OVERSEAS. These greedy multinationals are overcharging us for services that are no bid such as Blackwater/Xe. They are not patriotic, they are not creating jobs.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Bush went to war based on congressional approval... Obama has cast us into another middle east conflict with no congressional approval and for oil used by Europe, not the US.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Pagan, JJJS

Here are some ACTUAL numbers for you.

gross federal debt when BO took over - $9.986 trillion

gross federal debt NOW (not projections) - $14.261 trillion

Amount BO has increased gross federal debt - $4.275 trillion (in 26 months). It took bush 96 months to increase it that much. You admitted he was not good with debt; but you fail to admit he is muuuuuch worse than bush.

JJJS - you're only defense of BO's MASSIVE deficits is bush ran some, too? Bush's average annual deficit - $545 billion. BO's annual deficits have been THREE TIMES as high. You can't even use bush as an excuse when BO's deficits are three times as bad.

The $60 billion the repubs are now going after annualuzed would be the $100 billion they campaigned on.

Let the government shut down if that's what it takes to reign in spending. Already they are designating who are essential employees (they report to work even with a shutdown) and who are non-essential employees. Then the question becomes - "why does the government have non-essential employees?"

MenaceToSociety
Draper, UT

On one hand, huge increase in defense spending and start two expensive wars. Increase in spending.

On the other hand, cut taxes for the rich, allow some corporations and the rich to avoid paying taxes by hiding their income overseas and have the lowest tax receipts in 50 years. Decrease in revenue.

And conservatives can't figure out - or admit - why the cumulative budget deficit is growing so quickly? Really? It's really not tough to figure out what the cause of the deficit is, if you have half a brain and don't play political games.

Maybe the problem is we have FAR too many lawyers in Congress and not enough accountants. Lawyers play word games, political games, symantics, and accountants just look at the numbers, work on spreadsheets, and tell it how it is. Numbers don't lie. Lawyers do.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 3:22 p.m. March 28, 2011

Some of our friends from California forget that they are in the same boat as the federal government:

1. The Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research says California Pensions are $500 Billion Underfunded.

2. California state and local debt is somewhere north of $371 Billion dollars.

3. California wanted to borrow against future lottery revenue to pay yesterday's bill.

Translation: Take any financial advice you get from a Californian with a grain of salt ... and run in the opposite direction!

Woodyff
Mapleton, UT

Harry Reid thinks there is a "division between the tea party and the Republican Party", we need to let Harry know there is a division between the people and the Democrat leadership in Washington!

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If 100 billion were to be cut from the entire budget it would amount to about a 2-1/2% reduction to every department. But the Republican leadership tells us that 88% of the budget is off the table and will not be cut. Trying to cut 100 billion dollars from the remaining 12% of the budget is truly stupid. We will cut cancer research, food inspections, pollution control, scientific research, and many other things that are important.

The Army spends several million dollars a year sponsoring NASCAR drivers, and it was proposed that that be cut. But apparently that is crucial national security funding, so that's part of the 88$% of the budget that's off limits.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To Woodyff: The Tea Part already took their best shot at Harry Reid. It didn't work out so well, now did it?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Some questions:

1. How much interest do we pay on the national debt?
2. Why can't we quit with the foreign aid?
3. Why not have those on welfare serve in the military?

Rickety
Kaysville, UT

There is a $1.5 trillion deficit this year and they can't cut $60 billion? Incredible.

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