Points well taken. But based on my 30 years of advising and counseling, and
sending my own children to colleges, the public state universities are the best
buy. Period. Now if you want to hob-nob with the rich and their descendants,
then by all means go to HHHHHaaaaaaaaa vard and Yelllllll, but otherwise? Save
your money, talk to your professors, go on the international trips, love life to
the fullest, and have fun and success. I see it every day.
"And Ivy League graduates don't tend to move up the chain faster just
because of the name." But it is of great significance the fact that
tradition and contacts are worth $$$. Ivy League alumni look out for each other
and new grads. Networking with fellow grads pays big dividends.
Mom of 8 and Gentile make a valid point, but then miss the 2nd order effects.MOST students get out of a college exactly what they put into it. But
just as there are students who need to spend a year or two in community college
before being ready for the flagship State university, there are also students
whose full abilities will most likely be revealed only in the most challenging
of environments.Big corporations are not stupid. They don't pay more for
Ivy League graduates just for a name. And Ivy League graduates don't tend to
move up the chain faster just because of the name.For the gifted and
talented students, competing against and learning from/with others that are the
best and brightest provides educational and career advantage that is hard to
replicate at a school where such students are going to be top in their class
without exerting much effort.MIT/Caltech for engineering,
Harvard/Yale for law/medicine, Juliard/Boston Conservatory for music. These
places and their peer institutions are appropriate for the best and brightest
just as SLCC serves its demographic well.Not every student is
average. Encourage excellence.
TO Mom of 8: yup!!! I have taught college for over 30 years total and what a
student learns from College A is what the student puts into it. And, get this,
if you do well and want to go to graduate or law school, take the tests and move
on. Then take the national boards or whatever in your field, and become the
professional that you always wanted to be.The MITs and others near
them are selling balderdash. And a large dose of it! State supported schools,
such as Utah State, are an excellent bargain. It is what the student does there
that makes the difference. If you are paying over $20,000 a year in fees and
tuition to go to college, you are being robbed.
I'm with SME. Even as the public and media demand openness at the legislature
are these same groups going to let the UoU maintain secret admission
standards?BYU and Westminster are private colleges funded with
private money. They have every right to maintain privacy and even to enforce
honor codes.But the U is taxpayer funded and should be subjected to
all the intent of open access to government records. They should also fully
abide the 14th amendment equal protection clause by demonstrably avoiding
sexual, racial, and other such discrimination in their admissions process. The UoU should have an objective admission criteria and apply it without
regard to race, sex, religion, age, or disability.ANY other
admission policy is an affront to equal protection and a misappropriation of
taxpayer provided, government money.
But isn't it a bogus argument to say that it's harder and harder to get in, when
you have 'application inflation'? These universities are admitting the *same*
number of kids as ever before. What makes it "harder" is these kids
applying for 14 colleges when they will only attend one...
Over my 20 years in education I've received degrees from or taught at eight
different colleges and universities. Here's the truth: anyone can get an
EXCELLENT education at any university. Likewise, anyone can spend over one
hundred thousand dollars at an Ivy League school and not learn anything
useful.It's all up to the students to get the education they want.
Forget these ridiculously expensive "notable" schools. Be realistic,
especially in this economy, and pour your heart into your education. You'll
succeed anywhere, even in "lowly" state public schools or two-year
colleges. The name of the university you graduate from doesn't matter nearly as
much on a resume as the kind of person you become, and that's all up to
"The U. also does not plan on giving out its minimum requirement for
students next year. School officials believe that will allow the school to be
more flexible in which students it decides to enroll and to help it deal with
the recent application surge." Not publishing the requirements to gain more
"flexibility" could be interpreted as we'll admit who we want and
don't want to have to justify why. I wonder how much of that goes on.