I wonder what the Colorado writers had to say about Colorado moving to the PAC
12. Seems a bit hypocritical to be whining about Utah going to the PAC 12, when
their own neighborhood school did the same.Craig Thompson almost
single-handedly drove BYU out of the MWC with his lame television contract.
Very good records for both BYU and Utah in the MWC, but after all of the bluster
we've heard about the superiority of Utah basketball, it's a little surprising
to see that BYU had a much better record during their 12 years in the MWC.BYU 276-116(70.4%) overall, 126-54(70.0%) MWC, 6 MWC titles, 8 NCAA
tournamentsUoU 230-150(60.5%) overall, 104-76(57.8%) MWC, 5 MWC titles, 6
NCAA tournamentsOverall, Utah lead the head-to-head 13-14, but BYU
won 9 of the last 10.
It's been comical to see the reaction from fans of the remaining MWC schools
froth and bark about how BYU betrayed them, the very same fans who've loved to
hate BYU and who've never missed an opportunity to bait and bash the school, its
players, and especially its fans. I see the WCC with its religiously sponsored
schools as a step up. If the Cougars never play in Laramie, Ft. Collins, or at
New Mexico or SDSU again, it will be too soon for me. Dick, talk to
the powers that be, and help us get rid of that ridiculous "cougar on the
mountain" logo and bring back the cougar on the block-lettered BYU that
worked so well for so long.
This article almost makes it sound as if Thompson is sad to see BYU leave, and
they tried their hardest to allow the TV contract to conform to BYU's demands.
I doubt it's true.The TV negotiations probably have some truth to
it, and if it's true, the mtn will pay the consequence. The mtn will suffer in
two ways: 1) Although they gained Boise State, which will draw some viewers,
they lost most of the whole Utah market and some BYU fans in other states,
making a big drop in mtn subscriptions; and 2) The incoming teams will realize
how bad the contract really is and try to get out of it asap.The mtn
could maybe salvage the wreck a little bit by renegotiating, but the damage to
the state of Utah has already been dealt. Without the mtn BYU is now free to
conduct its own business, and it has the ability to do so.
viva la Pac 12
Actually, they already moved on, maybe you should too.
It'll be interesting to see if Utah basketball has more success in the PAC 12
than TCU basketball has in the Big East.
I don't see this as a bad thing for the MWC or for BYU and Utah. We will now
see who is right in the war of words that the Utah schools have been carrying
the rest of the MWC schools on their backs. Probably, to some extent they have,
but I don't think the conference is loosing as much as the Utah schools think.
Utah is getting a great deal, but she will soon learn that she will now be a
very small fish in very big pond. BYU on the other hand will going to a
conference that doesn't have much of a reputation, except for basketball, and
will have to raise the respect of the conference on there backs. BYU football
independence will be a lot harder than the Cougars think.
So long fuzzy mtn. network.HELLO Cougars in HD!
WA_Alum&Dad,If you are tired of others "baiting and bashing
BYU, its players, and especially its fans," then I recommend you reconsider
the tone of your posts. History indicates that BYU has been very
successful in collegiate athletics for decades. Rubbing people's noses in it
comes across as arrogant and/or insecure.
Thompson is demonstrated very poor leadership. If he was concerned about the
breach of contracts for TV he would have done a lot more than give up after
"no returned" phone calls. When a contract is broken, it's broken and
you have a ton of recourse. He never put up a fight and now his
conference is in shambles. There is nobody to blame but himself.
seems like we have more byu fans than utah fans writing comments.
And how is this a bad deal for The Mountain when they are basically going from 0
viewers to 0 viewers. I don't know anyone here in California that was able to
pick up that channel.
BYU is better off now that Utah and TCU are gone. You don't have a really strong
hoops conference but the WCC has some great cities with good weather. No more
Laramie, Albuquerque. Huge plus. Football will pay off.
All I've got to say to the whiners is... Start bringing bring your own lunch
money...you bummed off of BYU, Utah and TCU so much you have forgotten what it's
like to actually earn your own way. And as for Craig Thompson...I hope the rest
of the remaining members get up enough courage to finally stand up to him and
vote him out as commissioner. If they don't then they're not going anywhere as
@RiddlesThanks much for the data you provided. It looks much more
plausible. I wondered a bit about the records in the original article, as Utah
was shown playing 90 more conference games than BYU. I'd also be interested to
know BYU's total record, as 1,608 + 32 is not 1,650. (Dick, need to get someone
on the staff to help scrub the background research, or at least do a quick
proof-read, ala "Reality" on 'Pardon the Interruption'!)Definitely concur on the MWC's difficulty reference the TV contracts, and what
were perhaps disingenuous comments by writers outside of Utah reference Utah
and/or BYU leaving the conference. Could it be, "you don't know what
you've got 'til it's gone"?!
The truth is that if it weren't for the horrible TV contract things really were
improving in the MWC. The addition of Boise State gave the conference so much in
football and the quality of play in basketball has been moving up. The
conference was gaining respect and moving forward.But you can't
blame Utah for jumping to the PAC 12 and automatic exposure. You can't blame BYU
for doing something that will bring in much more money and exposure for them.
Things change and so we all move on.Good luck to all of the schools
It is an excellent opportunity for other programs in MWC to shine. There are
some excellent programs from the other MWC that can flourish and have outshined
BYU and Utah and can shine even more. I will continue to watch the mountain
channel even though i am a byu fan. i am also a fan of UNM and AF and will
continue to attend their games as well as byu games. the was need for the top
three teams to depart because the mwc was top heavy. look at UNM were dominate
over byu in basketball and track and cross country but did not get recognition.
primarily i am a byu fan at heart but a change was needed so the other teams
(with good programs) to flourish.
The MWC will not miss BYU and Utah nearly as much as the WAC will!
"MWC will sorely miss BYU and Utah"????Hardly!!! But what
can you expect from arrogance???
I thought the article should have included the post season records as well. It
would show how much the two schools have contributed to the MWC's standing in
the nation's eye. National respect follows when you beat the best teams in
tournament play!!! (Just as BYU and SDSU did this past year!)
Dyer Gary,I for one have no problem saying that the Pac 10 is the
conference I always viewed as the destination of choice. Lots of BYU fans feel
the same way, just many of them have a hard time saying it out loud now that the
Utes were invited instead of the Cougars.Maybe the Utah fans have
less to say because they are more secure with their new Pac 12 membership than
the BYU fans are with their independence/WCC situation.Utah scored
big when they were invited to the Pac 12. Now they just have to put a
competitive product of the field/court in a much tougher conference. Let's see
how they hold up.
According to Harmon, BYU won a record 42 games this last year.... Career wins
going from 1608 - 1650....Remmeber where the Mountain Network and
Mountain West offices are... In Denver and Colorado Springs. The Mountain which
already is terrible, just got much worse! On a positive note, with as bad as the
picture was on television, it was hard to tell at times how bad Utah stunk at
hoops. On the other side of this, it could be hard to watch a Boise home game in
the future as the 1980's cameras that were donated to them might react
negatively to the smurf turf.Good riddance to the Mountain Network.
I will love watching Utah compete in the PAC12, but I will miss traveling to
Colorado Springs and other Mountain West football facilities watching my Utes
play. I guess there will be some good swaps with Autzen Stadium, the Rose Bowl,
Huskie Stadium, etc....
Let those left in the dust whine and grown. Neither of our fan bases have to
worry about the MWC anymore or the mtn. THe nightmare's over.Next
season, we'll be watching the games in HD on ESPN and ESPN 2 -- including
September's holy war.As for Mr. Harmon, that little remark about
BYU's determination to stick with Utah wasn't necessary. Don't lower yourself
to the level of that silly and bitter Colorado writer. We all know you're a
proud BYU guy -- but it would show a little class to simply congratulate the
Utes for moving onto greener pastures. It's also your duty as a professional
objective journalist. With that, I hope BYU finds success in independence.As for the MWC, I'm looking forward to not watching any more mtn.
network ever again. I also feel for the Boise State, NV, and Fresno fans who
have no idea about the pain they're about to endure in their new home.
In this columnthere is a typo for Utah's Mountain West record. It should read
107-73 instead of 197-73. Hopefully our Internet folks will make the correction
today. Thanks for reading the Deseret News.
I'm sure the Cougar fans will love playing basketball in High School gymnasiums
that most Big West schools would even laugh at.
How was the TV deal Craig Thompson's fault? Did he negotiate that contract?
Wasn't it Dave Checketts, Cecil Samuelsen et al who negotiated and signed that
TV deal? To blame Thompson for that, and not Checketts, sounds like selective
whining to me.I keep hearing about the mythical "promises"
made to BYU regarding broadcasting rights. It reminds me of the mythical beer
at Ute games, along with unicorns, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.If these "promises" were made, why did Dave Checketts, Cecil
Samuelsen et al not see to it that they were included in the contract? Why did
Cecil Samuelsen et al agree to and sign the contract without those
"promises" included? I am guessing Samuelsen's signature is on that
contract, not Craig Thompson's. I saw an interview where Checketts was
complaining about the broken "promises". Well, why did he not get the
"promises" included in the contract? Who's fault is that?Why would anyone be surprised or complain about the networks sticking to the
contract signed by Cecil Samuelsen? If you want to blame someone, blame those
who negotiated and signed the TV contract- Dave Checketts, Cecil Samuelsen.
That is incredibly naive. BYU would have jumped to the Big 12 or PAC, without
Utah, in a heartbeat. No second thoughts.This was incredibly difficult on
their fragile ego, we get that, but to say they would have stuck with Utah is
not true. It was byu who pushed to leave USU out of the WAC all those years ago.
Yeah Utah you will be missed, BYU not so much, and you cant replicate BYU fans,
you can't replicate their arrogance, or their vain pride, or the fact they are
mean rude jerks. Utah fans were always pretty good. So BYU will join a new
conference full of religious institutions with fans who will wonder as I have
been a member of the LDS faith, how BYU fans are the least Christian in college
sports.... Go Pokes, Go Lobos!
Good ridence to Hatu and YbU! These two programs were the original teams that
complained about having to play football games on ESPN Thursday and Friday
nights instead of Saturday? These two programs were the driving force to opt out
of that contract and form a new network called THE MOUNTAIN!!!! Now they walk
away from the conference?The MWC had a sweet deal with ESPN on BIG
MONDAY! National exposure, and games played right after a BIG East and BIG 12
game. But YBU and Hatu again complained about playing at 10pm on Mondays?The truth of the matter is both schools are now going to be forgotten,
shuffled off to pasture in the land of Zion. The MWC has to start over, but will
be heard from agian.....mark it down!
"seems like we have more byu fans than utah fans writing comments."Seems like there are more BYU fans than Utah fans nationwide. Funny how
@menace to societyI have never read a more illinformed post. It is
an instant classic and perfect example of ute "fan" ignorence and
silliness. Please keep posting. LOL@dyer garyWell when
there are more BYU fans by something along the lines of 20-1 then the odds are
pretty good you'll see more comments from the vastly larger fanbase.@so-calaggieCougar fan here who is really looking forward to
attending basketball games in each and every WCC city. Just something about
traveling to SoCal, NoCal and such places in January and February that is
infinately more appealing than Laramie, Albuqurque, Ft. Collins and for that
matter Logan. LOLDon't worry about us as I think we'll be just fine
going to those "gyms". I know I will.
From a basketball sense only, I believe BYU will miss the MWC more than the
other way around. I'm the biggest critic of Thompson and what he has or has not
brought to the table as commissioner of the conference, but I believe the WCC
will be a good step down in basketball. Outside of Gonzaga and Saint Mary's, the
conference won't offer much competition at all for our Cougs and won't offer the
arena size that MWC teams provide, all packed with BYU fans when the Cougs are
BYU football will become irrelevant, like most independents not called Notre
Dame become. As for basketball, is the WCC a step up? No. Harmon is just
putting lipstick on the "BYU got rejected" pig.
No they won't. And for some reason they are glad BYU is leaving. That makes me
I like the move to Independence for the Football Team but let's be honest, the
move to the WCC is definitely a step down in basketball. SDSU, New Mexico,
UNLV, Utah and Colorado are consistently better than anyone in the WCC except
Gonzaga. BYU is going from playing in front of 15,000 a night to 3,500! If I was
Dave Rose I would be very unhappy. The MWC had a #4 strength of schedule and
the WCC is 12th nationally. BYU will not be happy in the WCC after a couple of
years and they will be looking to move again!!
The MWC may miss BYU and Utah but I doubt any Utah or BYU fans will miss
watching, or attempting to watch games on the "Mountain". It is a
horrible network with lousy production. I am happy to never have to watch
Andrea Lloyd again. Watching the Mountain was like watching Wayne's World or
listening to Ham radio. I want to be able to watch my team without having to
switch my cable TV provider, upgrade to two different cable TV packages and
listen to announcers who couldn't make it anywhere else. The only positive for
the "Mountain" was Greg Wrubell, he is consistently excellent but
besides him their play by play and color analyst's were awful!!
Now you have been told that BYU would have taken a better offer if it had ever
come, because I told you so. Please quit with all the goofy information. BYU
has been aware of the U's decades old goal to get invited to the Pac10, they
simply thought that Utah would not ever make it. In the mean time they worked
together to make the best of the MWC, but both hoped for something better. Had
a ship come for BYU, they would have taken it. Shocking, the ship came in, but
in this case there was not so much as a courtesy call for BYU!
"seems like we have more byu fans than utah fans writing comments."yes, because Dick Harmon is a byu homer. Most Ute fans don't read his
BYU has carried WAC and MWC major athletics for decades with a few exceptions
here and there. The cash cow in gone and the rest can do nothing but attack and
badmouth because they know the ride is over. BYU fans get blasted for being
"arrogant" or "holier than thou" when they engage in the
same rivalry trash talk that the other schools throw at them(usually not to the
same degree of classlessness and vulgarity). It's just like the US giving aid to
third world countries. They hate us for doing it and they hate us more for
stopping. Utah left first; and as the article points out, BYU never would
have abandoned Utah. Utah turns out to be the ungrateful brother and BYU gets
bashed worse for deciding to leave after Utah announced it was leaving. Having said that, I would also point out that any school in the MWC would have
jumped at the chance to go to a better conference and probably all of them would
have gone independant if they had the same viability BYU does. To sum it up;
there are a lot of selfish and immature people posting.
Simple math proves why BYU's move to the WCC is an improvement.WCC +
ESPN/BYUtv > MWC + the MTNBesides, once you get to the
tournament, except for conference bragging rights, it really doesn't matter
which conference you're in.BUTLER is the ONLY team playing in the
Final Four for the second straight year.Which Big 6 conference is
Butler from?Exactly!!!btw, there won't be a single #1 in
the Final Four this year. #11 seed VCU eliminated the last #1 Kansas today.
There's not a MWC president or athletic director who wouldn't jump at the
invitation to join the Pac-10 like Utah did. No brainer.I'm told LDS
Church leaders who govern BYU never would have allowed BYU to leave a conference
on its own without Utah." - Dick HarmonWhat? So BYU is the
only school that would not have jumped at joining the PAC-12, Big East, SEC, Big
10, ACC, Big 12 if they came calling?That really is a no
"brainier" down south.
"I'm told LDS Church leaders who govern BYU never would have allowed BYU to
leave a conference on its own without Utah." - Dick Harmon"They also have some swamp land they'd like to sell ya.
With every ending comes a new beginning.BYU will now face Gonzaga in
the West Coast Conference each year. People like me will finally be able to
watch BYU Basketball games on a regular basis.In football the
excitement will only grow. The ESPN contract is huge. Recruiting
for both football and basketball will improve. What aspiring athlete in high
school would not want to be on TV. Their families will be able to see them.
The games will be on demand for all to see.Our athletes must realize
that they will become targets. The adversary desires to bring them down.
Brandon Davies is on the right path and I feel will be back. It is a wonderful
thing. There is as much joy in the abyss when an LDS athlete falls as there
would be if he were a General Authority. They must band together and help each
other make it and make it they shall.Cougar Nation welcomes this new
For those of you BYU fans that complain about the MTN, remember there happens to
be 3 BYU commentators that work for the MTN. To date none of them amounted to a
hill of beans.........unless BYU was playing, then it was one sided play
calling.Please tell me that you're taking those 3 (wanna be's) to
the WCC etc..........Thank you in advance!!!
Those who are angry with BYU and Utah exiting the MWC sought to profit from our
fan base and national audience. I fail to see why BYU should engage
in athletic welfare when the viewers are tuning in to see the Cougars.
@honor codeLife is hard for the fans of irrelevent schools isn't it?
You can keep on projecting your insecurity and pain here, we don't mind, it
simply reminds us of why we left all of you behind.
Boise State will be the biggest loser in the shake up. They would have never
left the WAC and ESPN if they would have known BYU, Utah and TCU were leaving
the MWC. ESPN made them the darlings of the mid-majors. Without ESPN, Boise
will become just another mid-major. They will fall into the black hole of The
Mtn. Their visibility and recruiting will begin to fade. The days of calling
them a BCS buster will be long gone.It wouldn't suprise me if they
try to get back to the WAC along with Fresno and Nevada within a couple
years.I'm sure BYU would have rather joined the PAC or Big 12, but
that was not an option. Independence is a better option that the MWC. As long
as BYU continues to win 9 - 12 games a season, Independence will be very
successful.Once they get their schedule ramped up, I think you'll
see them consistently playing teams in all the major conferences every year.There is already talk of an annual game at Cowboy Stadium over
Thanksgiving weekend between BYU and Texas or Oklahoma.Go Cougs!
Yes, BSU fans are disappointed that The MWC will be sans Utah, BYU & TCU.
Still, it's a better option than the WAC. An upside for fans is fewer weeknight
home football games mandated by ESPN. One view is that the Bronco football
brand has already been established nationally and doesn't need ESPN to carry it
anymore. I think it is also reasonable to say that BSU can likely continue to
add to it's list of BCS bowl appearances while BYU not so much (zero and
BYU independence will improve recruiting in both football and basketball. The TV
coverage will attract more international and non Western athletes who do not
know much about BYU or who would normally stay closer to home. More
talent attracts more talent. It is reported that the WCC does not
have a gate sharing arrangement for basketball. BYU gets all of it's home game
proceeds and it's television proceeds. The small WCC gyms do not
matter that much to BYU as a road team as long as they get the ESPN and BYU TV
proceeds.The WCC gyms are small but MAYBE games can be arranged at
larger venues as BYU will draw much better and that means more money for the
host schools. If the WCC does not work out then another arrangement can be
Re: Bronco, we also must remember that BSU became the darlings because they BEAT
the likes of Oregon, OSU, Virginia Tech, and others whereas BYU has failed to do
so. I don't see much changing, BYU will continue to lose and BSU will still
continue to win, maybe not as dominately, but still win.
OU812BYU not only beat Oregon and OSU, the Cougars destroyed
Oregon 38-8 and OSU 44-20!!!Take off your crimson-colored glasses
and face reality.
Craig baby, I'd love to hear you try and weasel out of the question: "How
can you give BYU an ultimatum that if they wish to play football as an
indepebdant, they will have to leave the MWC entirely, yet allow Hawaii to enter
in football ONLY, playing all other sports in the Bgi West? Few ever mention the
fact that this was really a "cross that yellow line and......,"
question, BYU tried to negotiate the all but football deal and were rebuffed by
the Air Force Academy rep who was the, in effect, chairman of the MWC board.
Don't use the football drives the bus argument, none of the remaining members
make a dime on football, without BYU, even with Utah included averages less than
25,000 per home football game. The MWC is a basketball conference and losing BYU
and being stuck with the same TV package will make the future very difficult.
It will be interesting to see how many Utahns dump The Mountain from their cable
or satellite package ASAP. I serious doubt that fans of Boise State, Fresno, or
Nevada will make up the difference. I for one am excited about the
change. Change is good. There will be some things that I won't
miss......(basketball on UNLV's home court every year for the tournament, trying
to figure out where to find the games on TV, Craig Thompson doing everything he
can do to undermine BYU)Here's to the future!
I can't find the "Denver newspaper columnist wrote good-riddance to both
BYU and Utah " Where is this? Anyone find it?
MenaceToSociety,Read the article and answer your own questions. Your
assumptions are all way off.The MWC and BYU had a rebroadcasting
deal involving BYUtv. When the mtn changed owners, the new bosses refused to
accept the BYUtv rebroadcasting deal.No, Samuelson and Checketts did
not negotiate the contract between the mtn and their new owners. Thompson may
have tried to maintain the agreement, but he utlimately failed.If
you don't think there is beer (and harder stuff) at Utah games at Rice Eccles,
then you are must be the one who believes in the Easter Bunny and Santa.
Duckhunter | 6:27 p.m. March 27, 2011 Highland, UT@honor code"Life is hard for the fans of irrelevent schools isn't it? You can
keep on projecting your insecurity and pain here, we don't mind, it simply
reminds us of why we left all of you behind."Only
"PAIN" and "INSECURITY" I ever encountered sits in Provo,
Utah!!! I witnessed it first hand in Denver at the NCAA Tournament. Your fan
base was "obnoxious" to the point that I sold my tickets and left
after the second session started. I'm forever grateful that Colorado isn't in
your plans for future sports. Good luck in those High School gyms the WCC
provide. Even Dave Rose will be sending a message to BYU fans...........watch!!!
There have been some comments posted about bad behavior of fans with views that
some schools are worse than others. How can you really tell which schools are
the worst? I see bad behavior at little league, high school, college and pro
sports. You can't get away from it and I would just like to see all of us grow
up a little and act like better citizens when attending sporting events. If you
want to rub something in the faces of fans from other schools, do it by cheering
louder for your school and stop all the putting down of other teams and their
fans. I'm not singling out any one school here, this goes out to everyone.
Honor CodeYou seem to care an awful lot for someone who doesn't
care.... Just an observation.
Hedgie: I will miss seeing your posts now that basketball is over. Check the
baseball schedule, volleyball and attack the Y. Yes, the MWC will miss the Y and
u for different reasons. The money that the Y football program brings will be
missed sorely, basketball will miss the RPI ranking that BYU brought to the
conference. Utah will be missed, basketball for the guaranted wins against u.
Football did bring some credit, but the current pac 12 schools are looking
forward to the guaranted wins against the football team.Those of
these posts alledging that Y students and fans are "holier than thou"
should look at SDSU and the direct attack, not on the team but the beliefs of
the school. I felt that the Y players were classy in their reaction which was no
reaction, no condemning, or bitterness, simply saying that the students had a
right to display whatever they choose.
Considering BYU was never going to be invited to the Pac-10, they've been
begging for an invitation for decades, it does them no harm to assign a demand
to their potential entrance that makes them look like they are driving the bus.
Just another case of BYU trying to save face. If at anytime over the past 3
decades that their begs for inclusion to the Pac-10 had paid off, they would
have jumped through that hoop before Utah even knew what was going on. I guess the point BYU is really trying to make with that comment know is
that BYU needs Utah more than Utah needs BYU. That from BYU's own mouth.
JustmythoughtsAlready did! I am not a Utahn, but I signed up for
Direct TV for the exclusive purpose of watching BYU Football. When I called to
cancel the mtn. they offered to continue the expanded sports package at a
$2/month rate (it had beeb $12). "No thanks mam, there is absolutely
nothing on that channel that I will ever again be interested in watching."
Look forward to dumping Direct TV all together when my contract is up. I may
move to watching BYU TV on line.
Williary,I think BYU needed Utah to gain entrance into a legit AQ
conference. BYU hitched their wagon onto Utah for decades and hoped for the
Utes success only so far as it would help them in the back door.The
truth is the administration knew that BYU baggage was far to large to get in
In the end, it doesn't matter what any fan from any other school says. The fact
is, both BYU and U of U are headed to greener pastures. We will finally be able
to watch our teams play on TV. Of course both fan bases are happy and excited
about that. As far as the Independence vs. Pac-12 comments go ... I
think they are silly. Both schools can be successful -- it doesn't have to be
one or the other.========@ hedgehog: "BYU hitched their
wagon onto Utah for decades." How many decades are we talking
about? Because if we go back 2 decades the BYU vs. Utah games are even 10 - 10.
If we go 2 more decades, then it goes decidedly in BYU's favor as the Utes
struggled in football then. My point is, instead of concentrating on
trying to belittle BYU, why not use that time and energy supporting your own
team and being happy for them? I'm happy for them and I never attended that
After that TV deal, Thompson should have been fired. He's as bad as Benson at
fesnogrl,You're missing the point (again). BYU NEEDED Utah to be
successful for any shot at a legit conference. In essance, Utah was the tds meal
ticket. I can only imagine the excitment (when Utah was invited to the big show)
then the soul crushing bitter rejection ( when BYU was not). Holmoe made the
call he hoped he'd never have to make.Force his football team onto
an island and thus deligate his basketball to a lesser conference.
willary and hedge;BYU hitched their wagon to Utah??? Wow! I would laugh
but it scares me that there might be more than two of you who actually think
that. I will try to make this simple for you by putting it in a story. I owned a
horse that loved to travel fast and see country. I named him Cougar. Sometimes
when I went on trips overnight I would borrow a horse from a friend of mine and
use it as a pack animal. His name was Ute. Ute was always pulling back on the
lead rope and trying to slow Cougar down. In the corral at night Ute would brag
to the other horses that he kept having to wait for Cougar. Most of the other
horses knew this wasn't true but politely listened to Ute and his stories and
laughed behind his tail. Sometimes Ute was able to slow Cougar down so my friend
sold him to a farm on the West coast where he now pulls a wagon to deliver money
to other, more well known horses well known. Cougar went on to national fame and
his name is well know to all horses.
Too bad that Utah had to bolt on BYU, when BYU was such a staunch supporter of
Um TJI'll repeat what Dick "Cougar Club" Harmon was told
right from BYU's mouth:"BYU would not accept a Pac-10
invitation without Utah."I'm not as cleaver as you to work
horses into the story, but what that means is BYU admits they need Utah. While
Utah glady accepted a Pac-12 invite without BYU. Just the facts
from your schools mouth.How sad is it that the horse who continually
wanted to slow down "Cougar" just got the job "Cougar" has
williaryRondo Fehlberg and Steve Young both stated that BYU has been
looking at going independent in football since at least 1995. One main reason
they did not was because as long as Utah was in the same conference, it made
sense to stay together. Went Utah left, it was time for BYU to take that step.
The HD BYUtv operations were all but finished, and the time was ripe.Congrats on going to the PAC. The excitement should be somewhat tempered by
realizing that Colorado, pathetic in football for many years now, was invited
before you were, and that you had to wait until Texas and the southern division
of the Big 12 were off the table before you were in.
"BYU would not accept a Pac-10 invitation without Utah."Williary and Hedgie, this is not a sign of weakness or dependence, as much as
a sign of loyalty. The only advantage sharing conference affiliation with Utah
had was that the schools had similar demographics and supported one another in
conference negotiations. It's kind of like the U.S. having England to back it
up in the U.N. when all of the "have not" countries want more
concessions or money from the U.S. In the WCC, BYU will be affiliated with
other religion based private schoools. Though smaller they are more
demographically similar than BYU is to say UW or SDSU.
"this is not a sign of weakness or dependence, as much as a sign of
loyaltyBwahaha hahah ahahahah!Byu has shown time and
time again that they will slit the throat of loyality if infact they could gain
from it.Just ask USU about that.
Alright, kids, if it makes you feel better to think that BYU hitched their wagon
to the U and the U bolted, great! Enjoy that.I think the correct
interpretation of what Dick said, however, is that BYU would not bolt without
Utah. Personally, meaning no disrespect to Dick, I don't beleive it and I don't
care, so I'm not bent out of shape by it either way.The MWC will
miss BYU and Utah the way the Big Ten, or Twelve, or whoever they are, would
miss Texas. Obviously not as much, but in the same way. Life will go on, but
it will be different.Adding BYU will possibly help schools like
Gonzaga build a bigger facility. But if we continue to enjoy success against
them, they probably will end up not liking us very much either. Kinda like
Utah. Except Utah USED to be successful against the Y all the time.Tough to swallow, isn't it?
Keep in mind that BYU and Utah helped found the conference. It does seem like
it got away from them after they put it together. I don't know how on earth
that stupid TV deal got past two schools that have wall to wall lawyers but it
hedgehogAre you really so clueless about the century-old
relationship between BYU and Utah?Despite the bitterness and hatred
of some fans, BYU and Utah have been close partners for over a century and
worked closely together to create both the WAC and MWC conferences.BYU started exploring plans to go independent back in the 1990's and the main
reason those plans weren't executed is because of BYU's long-term relationship
with Utah. As soon as Utah accepted their invitation to join the PAC 10, that
relationship ended, and freed BYU to explore their own options.Would
BYU have accepted an invitation to join the PAC 12?Certainly.But, your characterization of BYU "begging" for an invitation
is nothing but hyperbole from a BYU obsessed hater.What really
upsets you about BYU going independent is that BYU might actually be very
successful, which would be your worst nightmare, because it would steal all of
your thunder from the Ute's joining the PAC 12.You can argue until
you're blue in the face, but that's reality.
"What really upsets you about BYU going independent is that BYU might
actually be very successful, which would be your worst nightmare, because it
would steal all of your thunder from the Ute's joining the PAC 12."skyuwlaker,What I'd really like is if BYU would disband like
Ricks. But I supposed the next best thing is for them to be cast into exile....I
TJ,Usually I agree with you, but I have to disagree that BYU
wouldn't have left the MWC without Utah. If the shoe was on the other foot,
they would have gone. As Harmon points out, BYU is not upset at Utah for making
a move that will be better for their atheltic programs and their academic
programs as well. It would have been silly for Utah to say, 'Sorry PAC-10, we
appreciate the invitation, but without BYU we won't accept.' Utah was not in
the drivers seat and didn't have the clout to make a deal like that. For anyone
to criticize Utah for taking a great opportunity when it was presented is just
As a Ute fan, I wish BYU had been invited to the PAC-12 with Utah. That would
have made more sense that Colorado and Utah, but the problem was neither Utah
nor BYU were the first choice of the PAC-10. When they decided to expand they
wanted to do it by taking apart the Big-12. That was their plan. They extended
invitations to the schools in the Big 12 they wanted and only Colorado accepted.
So what were they to do? They needed at least one more school to make it work
and didn't want BYU, who knows why. So they were forced to break away from the
conference of rivals and bring in a school that made sense and that was Utah.BYU's plan didn't work out as scripted either. Without an invite to a
major conference, independence made the most sense for football and MWC bylaws
wouldn't allow the other sports to stay. The WAC was the best available option,
but that fell through. The WCC is not ideal and BYU admits that, but it's what
they could get under the circumstances. Hopefully they'll be able to upgrade.
Bugoff,You may be right about the gate receipts, but I believe you
are wrong about the basketball TV revenue. The WCC contract with ESPN has been
in place for years and the revenue is shared equally in the conference.
Poor sportsmanship is not only exhibited by fans in the stands. Any fan who
wishes bad things on their oponent is a poor sport. I see it in these comments
from all sides.
the Denver Post article was by columnist Mark Kiszla. You can find it under
Sports, then Columnists. The article title was something blah blah blah about
the Mountain West being no more.Good riddance, i say!
hedgehog"What I'd really like is if BYU would disband like
Ricks."That would be the absolute worst thing that could
possibly happen to you, hedgehog, because life would be meaningless without your
BYU obsession. Just admit it; after a season of Jimmermania, you're scared to
death of what Heaps may have in store for you this fall.Guaranteed,
your gloom and doom predictions will once again start popping up on every BYU
article this fall. In a way, it's almost poetic justice that you're forced to
spend so much time watching and reading about a team you supposedly don't have
any interest in.
I learned something from Dick Harmon's column. I shouldn't judge anyone
unfairly. I have been condemning Craig Thompson along with most other MWC
sports fans ever since the mtn was formed. I now believe that was unfair. He
tried to preserve the unwritten agreement, but the TV partners refused to put it
in writing and when new ownership took over they refused to change it. Too bad
for the mtn and the MWC. They have lost the best 3 athletic programs they had
and the two biggest TV markets they had and the TV deal is to blame. The mtn's
days are numbered. It doesn't have a big enough TV market left to generate the
advertising dollars needed to support the contract. When it comes up for
renegotiation, the conference will run as far away as it can as fast as it can.
I love going back and reading all the stuff that has gone down about the MWC
realignment. My favorite by far is when Craig Thompson said there was no way BYU
could stay in the conference in the other sports because the by laws prohibited
it. He said a school had to have football, men's and women's basketball, and
volleyball to be in the conference. Then a couple of months later Hawaii is
invited in just football. I guess by laws can be changed for the right guys.So long to Craig Thompson and the MWC I don't think I will miss anything
Mormon Ute The problem is Craig Thompson didn't try hard enough. If
he'd really been interested, he would have insisted on the verbal agreement
being written into the contract and then he would have sued the new owners to
honor the original terms of the contract. But, it wasn't important enough to CT
to exert any more effort than a phone call or two.
"I'm told LDS Church leaders who govern BYU never would have allowed BYU to
leave a conference on its own without Utah." -- Dick "Homer"
HarmonNope. I don't think so. If somebody had really told Dick
that, that person's name would have been included in the article. And by
"somebody", I don't mean the frantic and emotional tdS fans who post
comments after every Harmon article. I'm talking about the LDS Authorities who
would have been the one(s) responsible for holding Holmoe back. "Who"
is a pretty important piece of respectable journalism. That was quite a fish
story.Mr. Harmon....just get used to being irrelevant. It's your
fate. Nothing ever tethered the "whY?" to the U. In fact, by my
recollection, the only "tethering" I witnessed was the tdS attempt to
hogtie Fresno State and Nevada to the WAC. It was the Y who couldn't go it
alone. The tdS didn't join the Pac-10, the Big XII, the BigTen, or the Big
East, because none of those conferences wanted them. The only MWC schools that
were in demand amid last summer's conference carousel were Utah and TCU.
Anyone who felt the "soul crushing bitter rejection" described by
hedgehog for not getting a Pac-12 invite raise your hand.Sorry, hh
no the only hands that went up were in your imagination. Once again,
I suggest, refocusing your life onto something positive like cheering FOR your
team instead of against a team that you have stated you no longer think
about....====Mormon UteI agree with you. I think
it is petty for anyone to begrudge another school making a move that will be
beneficial to them. I really don't understand the silly "yeah, well OUR
deal is better" banter going on from both sides.
"What I'd really like is if BYU would disband like Ricks. But I supposed
the next best thing is for them to be cast into exile....I mean
independence."hedgehog,What is the opposite of
"independent"? To save you from having to google it to ind out, the
answer is "dependent". What does "dependent" mean? Again,
in case you didn't know, it means "relying on someone else for aid or
support".So, since BYU is independent, they rely on nobody.
Yet you say "BYU NEEDS Utah". And since Utah is NOT idependent, they
must be.... Well, you know how it goes. Who is the one who is in need?
Fresnogirl,I'm sorry, I've got to call you on your recent post.Claiming that there aren't any BYU fans that felt scorned when the Pac
10 didn't invite them to their expanding conference is silly. If I had a
quarter for every time I heard reference to "when we go to the Pac
10...." while I was a BYU student, I wouldn't need to work anymore.I know of numerous Cougar fans that wished they had been invited to the
Pac 10. There's no shame in admitting it, and it doesn't take anything away
from BYU's move to independence.
Mr. Harmon, is the "person" who told you about BYU not leaving the
conference with out Utah the same source that you quoted when you broke the
story about Kyle Whittingham accepting the BYU head coach position?
Re: roquetman It's hard to imagine anything more delusional that
your statement. Having watched the two teams play each other for 60 years now,
I have to tell you that your statement is exactly 180 degrees out of phase. I
could certainly document it for you but I'm sure you aren't interested in the
I am new to the comment board here on DSNews, but have been a BYU fan since I
was crawling even out here in the Pennsylvania. The past decade or so has
been miserable dealing with the Mtn. network, which is virtually unreachable in
the area, the only games I have been able to watch were in South Bend, or the
few aired on ESPN. So the news of BYU's independence is a BIG deal to myself
and every fan outside of Utah. I have family in Utah that don't even get the
Mtn. on their dish network deal. How sad is that?? But NO MORE!Every game will be showed Nationwide in HD on ESPN or BYUtv. No
team in any conference has that kind of guarantee for exposure. All of the big
6 conferences have regional coverage for interstate fanbases, but no team has a
TV contracts that stretches coast to coast save Notre Dame. To me,
Independence is far better than ANY conference BYU could be invited to. Not
only for televised games, but for scheduling games so BYU faithful throughout
the Country can attend!Heres to a great jump to Independence!
@'90cougarSure alot of fans were disappointed but that is a far cry
from it being a "soul crushing bitter rejection". You seem to be one
of those BYU "fans" that thinks he needs to legitimize himself to the
ute trolls by calling out other BYU fans on their comments. The sad part of that
is that when you do it you distort what the BYU fan actually posted to try to
make your false point. Sure there are alot of BYU fans that wish BYU
had been invited to the PAC10, Probably even most BYU fans wish that, but
"soul crushing" is hardly correct and the move to independence was a
great one and made the disappointment much less.Also with the
benefit of hindsight many of us can see where football independence is actually
going to be better in many ways. No not in every way, but in many ways it
certainly will be and the fact that fans like PSUYB will now be able to see
almost every game is something that is definately better for a huge segment of
I like BYU, and Utah is a pretty good school too.
Duckhunter:If Utah's invitation to the Pac-10 (rather than the
"whY?") wasn't "soul crushing", why would Dick Harmon feel
compelled to justify to ESPN the "real reason" Utah was invited was
because they weren't ybU? Why else would Dick Harmon deem it necessary to
fabricate baseless remarks about some mysterious, anonymous kingpin in the LDS
church's HQ who so magnanimously refused to allow the cougars to go anywhere
else without affording their so-called "little-brother" an opportunity
to tag along on their majestic coattails? Why all the lies?The
"whY?" was not a academic, athletic, or cultural fit for the Pac-10.
So said the Pac-10. Neither were they for the Big XII. Or the BigTen. Or the
Big East. So said they. That's why they weren't invited. Nobody hogtied the
cougars to the the Utes or the MWC. The "whY?" was free to go at
anytime; they just didn't have any place else to go. Harmon just needed to
whitewash and embellish the cougars history and tradition because he.........needed to assuage his own very real, very personal, heartbreaking
"soul crushing bitter rejection". And you bought it.Sad.
byu went behind the mountain west's back and tried to hook up with the WAC.
They then turned their back on the WAC. Isn't this institution supposed to be
all about honesty and integrity? what a Joke! Good riddance.
'90CougarBut did you or they feel "soul crushing bitter
rejection"? I highly doubt it. If you did, it's probably time to reevaluate
priorities. BTW, I graduated in '94 and never heard anyone even
mention wanting to go to the PAC-10. All in all, I lived in Provo for 10 years
and did not hear that even once. I'm not saying some wouldn't have liked to see
it happen, but I don't think their souls were crushed because it didn't.
evanstonIf it was "behind the mountain west's back" then
how is it that the story was leaked from Denver and not anywhere in Utah or from
any team in the WAC? How is it that if you search it, you can find
articles talking about BYU moving to Independence in football and to the WAC in
other sports years before it actually played out? I've never been
one to go out of my way to cheer for Fresno State, but I think you've just
convinced me to cheer them on for at least one of their MWC games.
I would like to thank Honor Code and evanston for reminding us what we will be
leaving behind. It's a great time to be a UTE!!!(Oh, and
'90 Cougar, give it up. Anyone who has read even a few of your comments knows
you are not a BYU fan).
Are the polls still open? I was not 'bitter and jealous' when the
Utes announced their deal. I was happy for them but didn't buy the bull 'hocky'
story of the Utes marching to glory to conquer all foes of the Conference of
Champions... still don't. But I say this. Sure it would have been nice for BYU
to go to a better conference but going 'indy' made the most sense to me.So goodbye MWC. Your best years are behind you and now you'll come up
short in the cash column. I feel bad for BSU and for USU but things will work
out. As far as Denver is concerned, eat the collective dust as both
programs march on.Now a comment about my "soul crushing"
pit of dispair and depression I had last summer. It didn't happen wedgie.So let me try something... as they say, imitation is the highest form of
flattery.Wedgie, how does it feel to be forever falling into a
"soul crushing" pit of depression over Jimmer's continued success? I
hope you see Jimmer's Oscar Robertson Trophy in your dreams. Night, night little
"So, since BYU is independent, they rely on nobody. Yet you say "BYU
NEEDS Utah"."RivertonkewgNo, I said BYU NEEDED
Utah. That is needed Utah to help get into a legit AQ conference. Now that
Holmoe was forced to move in a direction he never wanted to go...I supposed the
don't need Utah.Although they certainly lapped up the charity game
Utah will give them this year. Basically Utah allowed the LES to hold it's only
AQ game of the year.... now that sounds kinda "needy"....don't way
Please Please bring USU into the MWC. I can't comprehend why BYU would leave a
conference with two teams in the sweet 16 and ranked in the top 10 for a
conference with only two teams I have even heard of. Except for Gonzaga and
Saint Mary's I can't name one team in the WCC. BYU and Gonzaga will dominate
the conference. They will be just like USU in the WAC. No matter how hard they
play BYU will be just like USU, a 12 seed in the NCAA. Think about this year.
BYU a 3 seed, SDSU a two seed. They can go undefeated next year and it will
mean nothing to the NCAA. Sad.
@neiltNo BYU won't be just like usu because BYU actually schedules a
respectable out of conference schedule. BYU's pre conference rpi this year was
1st or 2nd in the country pretty much every week. usu on the otherhand played
only one decent out of conference game all year, BYU.
I dont understand why Ute fans feel the need to compare their move to the PAC
with BYU's move to Independence? Is it really so hard just to appreciate both
programs are heading both different and respectable directions?I
applaud Utah for their move to the PAC, what a great jump for a program that was
not even heard of 10 years ago. Since the 1970's Utah has lived in BYU's
shadow,now has moved into an AQ conference. But I fail to see how
this is better than BYU's Independence deal?Utah is now in the
shadow of USC, Oregon, UCLA, Stanford, and Cal. Sharing what little money
they bring in with bigger and better programs, and also taking a share from
those bigger and better programs (after 4 years I believe?). With a bigger and
better conference comes bigger and greedier mouths to feed. Remember the 16
team "super-conference" with the Texas market was the original
ambition of the PAC-10. Once that fell through, Larry Scott resorted to
plan B; Adding 2 teams to allow a Conference Championship.Kinda like
asking Santa for a Pony and getting a Hamster.
My guess is few teams/fans in the MWC will actually miss BYU and Utah. Soon,
they'll also come to dislike Boise State.
Hedgie..."Basically Utah allowed the LES to hold it's only AQ
game of the year.... now that sounds kinda "needy"....don't way
think?"Me thinks the charity is the other way around hedgie.
Now that BYU holds a very lucrative ESPN contract. Here's some charity ESPN
coins for playing in the 'tincup' game.Glad BYU can help U.
"The "whY?" was not a academic, athletic, or cultural fit for the
Pac-10. So said the Pac-10."The Pac-10 may have said that, but
it's just an excuse. A little research shows that BYU is just as good of a fit
academically, if not a better fit, than Utah is (see US News and World Report
rankings). Athletically, BYU has 137 conference championships to Utah's 48.
Sounds like BYU belongs in the "conference of champions" more than
Utah does.Culturally, the Pac was exactly right. They hate
everything BYU stands for, which would explain why they didn't invite them. Am
I bitter? Not really. Why would we want to join a conference that hates us?
It is too bad they are bigots, but it's their problem.hedgehog,
don't think that BYU scheduled Utah because they NEED to. They did it because
they want to. That's the same reason Utah agreed, buying out a series with
Boise State to do it; because they wanted to. The schools are still loyal to
each other, even though the liberal PAC hates BYU too much to invite them.
Riverton Cougar,There's no question that BYU has strong athletics.
If the Pac 10 was basing their decision on who to invite by conference
championships and the size of the respective fanbases, the numbers say that BYU
should have been given the nod. But it was the Pac 10's invitation to extend,
not ours.The Pac 10 has always said they were also looking at
academics. You're right, "a little research" says BYU may be as good
a fit as Utah," but a little more research suggests otherwise.US News and World Report ranks BYU highly in undergraduate academics, but the
only BYU postgraduate programs ranked highly in their graduate school rankings
are the School of Business, Accounting, and Law. According to the
US News, Utah and Colorado rank much better than BYU in post-graduate education.
And there are other entities out there that rank schools other than the US
News. Some of them think more highly of Utah than BYU.Regarding
"culture," BYU's conservative views aren't shared by the Pac 10
schools. But that doesn't mean they "hate everything BYU stands
for."Lastly, don't call people bigots, it sounds bigoted.
Wow, some of you really need to chill out. There is really no value to arguing
whether BYU will be better as an independent than Utah will be in the PAC-12.
The two athletic programs are taking different paths and I believe each have
chosen the best path for their own programs, given the circumstances they were
each put in.Utah went to the PAC-12, because we need a strong
conference affiliation to be successful. Any Ute fan saying different is not
being realistic. The Utes could not survive as an independent. We don't have
the national presence to do that.BYU did not get invited to join a
BCS conference and that is unfortunate. Any Ute fan who says BYU wouldn't add
value to any conference is denying reality. Any BYU fan who says BYU didn't
want to be part of a BCS conference is also denying reality. BYU's football
team will do well as an independent. They have the national fan base to do it.
The current situation is unfortunate for BYU's other sports, but hopefully that
will be rectified in time.
Duckhunter,The problem BYU will have going forward is their
conference schedule. In the MWC (#4 basketball RPI) BYU and Utah have both had
the good fortune of playing against teams like UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, and CSU
which have kept their RPIs strong through the regular season. As BYU plays the
lower RPI teams of the WCC in the regular season, their RPI is going to suffer.
There is no way around that. The evidence of this was right in front of us when
USU played St. Mary's late in the season hurting their RPI and dropping them in
the rankings. There is no way around the fact that the move to the WCC was not
ideal nor was it what BYU wanted. When the WAC deal fell apart, BYU's other
sports took a serious hit. There is really no way to sugar coat that.
PSUYB,You started out sounding really good, but then you ended on a
really sour note. I agree, it is no good trying to make one school's move sound
better than the other. Both are going in the best directions available to
them.I would like to correct a couple of inaccuracies in your
statements. For the past 10 years Utah's football program has at least been
equal to BYU's and in some years better. The win loss records, rankings and
bowl game invitations bear that out. Utah's basketball team was far better than
BYU's for many years under Coach Majerus and even since then has made some NCAA
tournament appearance. So to say Utah's athletic program has been in BYU's
shadow since the 1970's is not accurate.As far as the money goes,
the TV revenue sharing alone is expected to be in the range of $20 million a
year per school for the PAC-12. That beats the $1.2 million from the mtn and
the bowl revenue, tournament revenue, etc. is all added on top of that. By the
3 year mark we will be a full partner.
Arguing over who got the better deal is pointless. Utah got a great deal in the
PAC-12 invite. It is far better, and much safer than the route BYU has chosen.
Utah will be getting a lot of money just being part of the PAC-12. If it can
string together 1 undefeated season it will be crowned national champions.BYU on the other hand didn't take the safe route, it's route of
independence is much more risky. However with the risk comes greater reward. If
BYU preforms well it could easily make more money than Utah. Also if BYU will
string together 2 undefeated season in a row it will also be crowned national
champion. With it's ability to control its scheduling (when and who), I do not
think it is that far fetched. Neither route is easy, but if I looked
at it I would have to say that BYU has the easier rout to a championship, with a
potential for greater money. All in all I say the deals both have advantages and
disadvatages, and I don't see how you could say one is better than another.
mkSdd3,You concluded with, "...I don't see how you could say
one is better than the other." But before that you said, "...if I
looked at it I would have to say that BYU has the easier rout to a championship,
with a potential for greater money." So you clearly stated you think BYU's
situation is better. So which is it?I'll give you my opinion and
reasons. The Utes have an easier path to a football championship, because they
will be playing top ranked oponents every year in a BCS conference. They don't
even have to go undefeated to get into the championship game, if the other BCS
conference champs struggle during the year. BYU doesn't even have the assurance
of a BCS bowl, even in an undefeated season. They have no conference
affiliation and are not specifically included like Notre Dame. That's a tough
road.As far as money goes. The latest news on early talks about
PAC-12 TV money says it could approach $20 million per school. That's a lot
more than BYU's $8 million and it doesn't include the bowl money the Utes will
Duckhunter,I agree that "soul crushing bitter rejection"
is way over the top. They were another's words, not mine.Trust me,
I feel no desire to "legitimize myself to the Utah trolls." We would
be much better off without the tired comments of trolls from both sides of the
aisle.I was trying to make the point that there are many BYU fans
that were surprised and disappointed that they weren't the MWC team the Pac 10
invited. If I "distorted" the comment, I did in unintentionally.I appreciate your looking out for a fellow fan. But Fresnogirl is very
level-headed, well-spoken (or written), and able to stick up for herself.Please don't question whether I am a "fan," just because I
don't see things exactly the way you do. If I read another fan's comments that
spark my interest, I might comment on them. Isn't that the point of these
"comments" sections?Bye the way, when you said "with
the benefit of hindsight many of us can see where football independence is
actually going to be better," what you are really claiming is foresight.
Mormon UteI say BYU has an easier route to a football championship
because they have more control of their schedule (some good teams and some bad)
and it will not be as tough a schedule as Utah will have to deal with in the
PAC-12.Utah's money is large and guaranteed, while the money that
BYU generates is all their own. They do not have to share it. They can get very
creative in how they sell their games. Selling to foreign markets, small
markets, and any number of creative ways to generate money. That may even
include advertising rights and other things. The sky is the limit as long as
they are creative they can generate a lot of money. If BYU has an off year
everything will come tumbling down. Big risk Big reward.That being
said I am not sure I would take the risk BYU is taking, but it could pay off
better and faster than the route Utah is taking.
The thing I won't miss at all about leaving the MWC were the amateurish TV
broadcasts and commentators on the Mountain Sports Network. What a flyby night
outfit. It is a joke just to be kind. No HD and the rest of it. Now we have
the BYU TV network; HD and all; can't wait. The Mountain didn't give us any of
the other sports either, as in track and field. Yeh, I know they had those
snipits of programming, but those are totally obsurd. I just hope ESPN won't do
what they did in the past, by putting mountain time zone games on at 10 p.m. and
all that baloney. The jury is still out on those details. Now BYU keeps all
the money or most of it anyway, I hope, and can schedule decent teams and not
play hail mary techs for half of the season in the major sports. Their
recruiting should also be enhanced. But they will always have the christian
university situation of not being able to bring in the bigtime hoodlums in
sports. But that is okay. Leave that to the other schools.
@mormon utePlaying St. Mary's did not hurt utah states rpi, it
enhanced it. St. mary's had a top 50 rpi and the 2nd highest rpi of any team
utah state played. BYU had the highest one. i see the point you are
trying to make but your example was not a good one at all. Now certainly BYU
will be playing teams in conference that overall have lower rpi's than the mtn
west teams had but BYU still schedules aggresively out of conference and that
will not change. That is how Dave Rose does things. There is also the fact that
the top half of the WCC is strong and has rpi's close to those in the mtn west.
Check the rpi of gonzaga, st. mary's, portland and san francisco. compare them
to all but a couple of mtn. west schools and it is not far off. That means BYU
will play maybe 7-8 games per year that might be worse for their rpi than
playing in the mtn west. But of course BYU was a huge contributor to the mtn
west rpi so they will do the same for the wcc.