"Utes need a Jimmer."I'd take him in a heart, might even
start watching basketball!
In the college ranks, it is all about the coach. They recruit, they teach, they
grow a program. If you choose the wrong one, it ruins the program moreso than in
the professional ranks. Choose us a good one Chris.
Bruce was seen at the airport a couple of nights ago. Really strange that this
has not popped up on the media radar. Perfect fit for the Utes.
NeilT: "If I could leave a program like Saint Mary's for utah I
wouldn't hesitate."Well considering St. Mary's coach just
turned chris hill down flat I'm guessing that he thinks St. Mary's is the
Utes need a Jimmer.
Oh my goodness, the sky is not falling. With all the returning Utah players the
job is a dream. That is if most them choose to stay. I can't imagine Rose
leaving BYU for Utah. Jeff Judkins, would be my first choice. Lots of top
programs have down years. It wasn't that long ago that BYU was 1 and something.
I Could see Morrill leaving USU for Utah. He must be tired of being snubbed by
NCAA. I would hire him in a heartbeat. What about the Montana coach that
played for the Jazz. Can't think of his name right now. Took Montana to the
NCAA. I was impressed by the way they played. Roger Reid can coach however the
fans would never accept him. If I could leave a program like Saint Mary's for
Utah I wouldn't hesitate. Lot's of prosepct's out there.
Utah's best coaching hires in the past 20 years have been: (1) Rick Majerus from
Ball State; (2) Kyle Wittingham, DC for Utes; and (3) Urban Meyer from Bowling
Green. Hill will follow a similar recipe for success here. Since no viable
assistant in the mold of Coach Whit is on the Ute basketball staff (and a
pattern of success is required before an assistant is hired, as in the case of
Whit, so nobody on Boylen's staff qualifies), Hill will explore those non-BCS
schools like Butler, St. Mary's, VCU, or Richmond. In-state head coaches like
Rose or Morrill would be dream hires for Utah, but it ain't gonna happen. Utah
has nothing but money and PAC-12 prestige to offer Rose or Morrill, and neither
seems driven by such things.
Now if you look at the quality of the PAC 10-12, the pass few years you would
say do the opposite. It is difficult to define what coach will be successful.
Look down south, Rose was an assistant coach with very good JC heading coaching
experience. Look up north (USU), an experienced head coach from the college and
university ranks, not so far up north and you have a coach who was an assistant
to successful coaches. The one all of these coaches had in common is they had
experience and success in this region of the country and that may be very
important as the U moves into the weak PAC 10-12 where a mediocre UCLA and USC
program still get NCAA bids.
-All who think Rose will leave- You think he'll bail when he got choked up
talking about how happy he was that he could give BYU fans something they
haven't had in a long time? He'll go to a program with an empty arena? Or will
he stay at the place with a huge, fan-packed place, that guarantees him ~10 W's
a year? Get real! U fans are fair weather at best. If he goes, it's not to
the U.Incidentally, I watched a piece on SC the other night about
Butler's coach. Some pre-school kids asked him why he stays there, he showed
the obvious lack of facilities, and said he just loved it there. This is
despite big offers from relevant programs. U have no chance at getting the
When asked how CSU would react to atmosphere of this kind of big time stage
Blaine Fowler said, You want to go on the road. You want to have them screaming
at you and heckling at you. And if you dont love that, you shouldnt be playing
at this level!!! The question is does that apply to coaches as well? (Hint:
West Coast Conference teams play in 3,000 to 6,000 gyms. The one exception -
their new member.)
Oh wedgie guess what? Randy Bennett turned down an offer to be the basketball
coach at utah. He turned it down. In otherwords he didn't want anything to do
with it. He didn't consider it an upgrade from his current coaching gig at St.
Mary's. Who would? dr. chris hill did not get whatever guy he wanted as you
boasted several days ago LOL and utah still does not have a coach.The FACT utah offered him the job, started negotiations with him, were spurned
and denied, ought to really tell you all you need to know about the desiribility
of the utah basketball job. Ought to tell you a little bit about the laughable
assertion that Dave Rose would even consider it, let alone accept it, as well.
Bigutey and the rest of the starving fans on the titanic better known as The
University of Utah sports department.Dave Rose has no desire to step
any where near that mess. Hedgie for a guy who continues to run his
mouth about BYU and their programs, I still haved to laugh how much you talk
about Rose. And the man crush you have on him.I have said it before
all you crawl back into your holes or big utey the bar you just left and forget
wedgie i'd like to just see one report about Rose taking the utah job. Of course
you can't provide one you only post stuff like that to try and get a reaction.
It is mildly amusing I suppose.But let me lay a little bit of truth
on you. utah does not have a big time basketball program. They do have a decent
legacy but the program is now a steaming pile. utah has never been able to hire
a "big time" coach nor will they be able to do so now. They will have
to do what they always do and that is hire a guy like archibald ,majerus,
giacoletti or boylen and simply hope he pans out. If my math is correct they
have actually been successful doing that once out of the last 4 times they have
tried. That is not a good track record although admittedly the one that did work
out had a good run. In short no successful top tier, or even 2nd
tier, coach has ever accepted the utah job and one will not this time either.
They may get one that turns out but based on past it is unlikely.
Hedgie, stepping stone like...Urban Meyer?I don't know how you keep
up your glorified image of the U, but your bball team is killing you, your fans
have fled, your football team doesn't quite get the new offense and your track
team doesn't even...oh never mind, you don't even sponsor a track team. If the truth hurts, you're dying right now.
"reports say that Rose is all but signed as the Utah coach"Hog, please list two "reports," since there appears to be more than
one. We need to be able to search them on the net to find them. This oughta be
hedgehogUtah job is not abig draw for successful coaches anywhere"
you say? Like Jim Boylen, and Ray Giacoletti those types of
successful coaches? Good call there don't you think?
I think former Utah assistand and curren UVU coach Dick Hunsaker would be a good
fit. And although who ever suggested Roger Ried was hopefully being sarcastic I
say bringing the man he replaced at SUU wouldn't be a bad choice either. Bill
Evans built quality teams recruiting kids to come to Cedar City of all places.
Not that Salt Lake is a huge draw to elite talent it is a lot better than and
easier to recruit athletes to SLC. Besides Bill Evans is the man end of story.
hello there SameLoooosingCommunity team. Tell me again what place u ended up in
the conference? hahaha, you guys will never ever make it. truth hurts huh?
"If the truth hurts they you must be in constant pain. Truth is that the
Utah job is not abig draw for successful coaches anywhere"TJ,If the "truth" is that Utah is not a "big
draw" and that reports say that Rose is all but signed as the Utah
coach..... what does that say about the tds?Even with a freakishly
good year...byu still will lose their coach.The pain the pain.
Pretty sure the Butler coach is not available, but he would obviously be the
best option. Of the available guys, I really like St. Mary's Randy Bennett. He
has been able to take a 3-win team playing in a high school gym to the Sweet 16
and 25+ win seasons. Give him Pac-12 recruits who want to play in the big time
and not high school gyms of the WCC and he can really succeed.
@bigutefan & H-hog:Neither of you will have to worry - Rose will
stay at BYU. I was disappointed he pulled Fredette early at utah. Fredette could
have ended up with 55.
Coach Rose will be a great fit. He is a big time coach deserving of a big time
contract and a big time conference. Not big time rules that destroy what he
SUUstudent: I think Eddie was being sarcastic.Again go with the
Butler coach, offer big-time PAC-12 type money and get this guy or go for Larry
Brown. He might have a year or two left in the tank and he knows the game like
no other. But I like the Butler guy. My third choice is the guy from VCU.
Let's think outside the box a bit, not worry about age and experience or
whatever and get a good coach and the Butler guy is the best coach. He is
getting results in a program very similar in challenges than the U, but the U
has more upside in the long run. This is a guy the U can actually get if offer
is good enough.
Ya to bad Utah cannot produce anybody on their own! Hugh Hedgehog?
Chris Hill has done a great job as athletic director. He has two gambles that
haven't paid off, but has many others that have brought tremendous success to
the University of Utah.Urban Meyer was a gamble as was Kyle
Whittingham since he didn't have head coaching experience either and don't
forget about roudy Rick!I don't know who the Utes will end up with -
I've heard names that get me excited and I've heard some that scare me but
overall, I believe Hill will bring in a quality head coach.The coog
fans on here posting about how they are such an elite program crack me up - they
have one truly elite player but to date, they still only have 3 NCAA tournament
wins in the last decade. Utah has fallen off, but we have witnessed the low.
That is a far cry from the 1 win season the coogs had not too long ago. It's
been over 30 years since the mighty coogs have been this far in the tournament
even our poor coach Giacoletti got the Utes that far. The coogs are headed to
league that gets 1 bid.
To Eddie in Syracuse, I don't think you're aware of Roger Reid's record at SUU,
he's terrible, Although I wouldn't complain if he wen to the Utes.
I respectfully disagree with those who say Hill's job is on the line with this
hire. Given the resources he has, Hill as arguably been one of the most, if not
the most successful AD over the past 20 years. During his tenure,
football has become relevant, bball made a trip the NC game, 2 BCS games,
Pac-12, etc.. Yes, the current state of basketball is disappointing but to
think Hill's job is riding on this hire is lunacy, in my opinion.
hedge;If the truth hurts they you must be in constant pain. Truth is that
the Utah job is not abig draw for successful coaches anywhere. A weak team in
mid-level conference moving to a marginally better conference is not. Utah will
either hire a marginally successful experienced head coach or find an up and
comer assistant coach who is looking for an early career break who does not
think he will get it elsewhere. Too much chance of still being a bottom dweller
4 years from now and being fired. True that we diddn't get Whit or Rod. We
have sure paid for that(tongue in cheek) haven't we. Mendenhall is just getting
started and while his teams are in the national spotlight and in the hunt for
BCS and NC, your team will be headed in the other direction. BYU basketball will
also be in the national spotlight and success will continue to breed success.
Your bball team had it's heyday in the 90's and your football team
had a couple of good years against mostly weak teams. You won't have much to
cheer about in the near future. Truth Hurts!
michi piggy, I love KWhitt and he'd have been my choice for the BYU job and yet
he is 3-3 against BYU's "second choice."As to
"stepping stone to a better job," wasn't Urban in town last week?
as much as i would like to see dave rose at the U i would much rather prefer a
younger guy like brad stevens from butler. rose is a great coach, there's no
doubt about it, but brad stevens is also a great, young upstart of a coach who
could really get things back on track for a once prestigious U basketball
program. i just think rose is too invested in the byu program to jump up and
leave. he just doesn't seem like the kind of a guy who would leave a solid
product for the sake of more money. money talks though, and i guess i could be
surprised if we find out that rose decides to talk back but if stevens bites, i
think we should pursue him very heavily.
notyou,While it might be true that Utah has taken ever BYU coah they
wanted. The same cannot be said for the tds.KWhitt and Roderick
both have said NO to byu advances.Again, BYU is just a steping stone to a
better job.Truth hurts.
to: nottyouWere you talking about Jeff Judkins? Oh yeah, your welcome for
us preparing him.As for Utah, I would take back Judkins if Hill
would. Dave Rice might be one I want before Rose, good X and O man. Butlers
coach is a dream in the sky that I would take also. Let's get someone to equal
the program. Let's not boil or jack this one.
3 strikes and you should be out.Hill's legacy is riding on this
hire.If Hill blows it, buh-bye.
When Rose's name comes up as a hot commodity among college coaches this year,
it's for something bigger and better than the Utah job. It cracks me up to
think Hill actually believes a Lon Kruger or Dave Rose would leave superior
programs with supportive fans, administration, and talented players in the
pipeline to board a boat adrift...Best case scenario for Utah: They're able to
land an up and coming Morehead State or St. Mary's coach, or grab Lone Peak
High's Quincy Lewis....
Ute fans don't want Rose, they just like stirring the pot. Rose has never said
he is disappointed in the WCC, ever. That's all speculation by hopeful utes. Ute fans have also said he's been offered. Hill would lose his job if
he's already done that. That is an automatic no no. Dave Rose will
stay at BYU, it's the best program in the state and will be for years. Dave Rice
might be interested, but not Rose.
Hedgehog: At least you recognize quality when you see it. If it takes the Cougs
to churn out quality coaches for the Utes, then so be it. If you can't develop
them yourselves, then we of course are kind and giving and will throw a few
crumbs your way. You are welcome.
There are plaenty of quality coaches who would love the job at Utah.There are many who have already said they have no interest.Dr.
Hill might not get his ideal candidate, or first choice, but Utah should end up
with a quality coach.
Sorry Ed, but a guy who does have some real interest in boarding the Utah
"sinking ship" is Dave Rose. What does that say about the future of
BYU basketball post Jimmer, and in the WCC? Rose doesn't believe it's too rosey
of a future.
Admit it Hill. Nobody wants to board your sinking ship.
I disagree. Pony up and get the guy from Butler. I don't care if he's 33 and
looks like he's 13. The guy can coach!
The reason Y no coach has been named is because a certain coach to be named is
still playing in the tournement.The team this coach will be leaving
will forever be bitter and unforgiving.
This program is not what it use to be and "high profile" coaches may
just be a dream. Chris Hill's job may be on the line here after two very weak
Bring in Roger Reid! He will take the utes where they are destined to go!
Attention Chris Hill: we don't want Dave Rose! We can do so much better than
that. As an assistant over the years he was an embarassement for BYU has he
taunted the crowd under previous byu coaches. His antics of reinserting Jimmer
in the game at Utah after he had scored 40+ points, been pulled from the game,
Utah sent in their bench players, and then Rose was so classy in putting Jimmer
back in to run up the score and pad his stats. Just say no, to Rose. I'm getting
ready to do the Gator chomp, rise and shout, your about to be spit out.
ESPN says Larry Brown wants to coach in the college ranks.
Grab Gottfried. over 11 years at 2 schools with 64% winning percentage. 11
years at 'Bama proving that he can win at the highest level against top quality
WITH his own recruits. All things we've been missing these past seven years.