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Published: Tuesday, March 22 2011 10:00 p.m. MDT

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Red Smith
American Fork, UT

Who was the lobbyists that pressured John Dougal to run HB477?

Who was the client who paid the lobbyist?

Ogden, UT

"Senate President Michael Waddoups, R-Taylorsville, said it is "very possible" that the Senate will take no action Friday"

Interesting response, senators.

Go ahead, fail to vote according to the wishes of your constituents (as elected legislators are elected to do) and face the next election!

"Uh, duh. How come I lost my seat. I can't figure it out."

And that would be right. Some elected legislators just can't figure it out.

Herriman, UT

They would vote to not repeal? It does make one wonder why? And please don't talk about privacy issues here. These are publicly elected officials using communication devices bought and paid for on the public dime. As a school official when I use my computer bought and paid for by the state I use it knowing all of my communications can be accessed by my superiors. In this case taxpayers are their employers. If they are truly in favor of transparency then be transparent. I hope the DNews people serving on this new commission prevent any restrictions on the public's right to know.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

It's pathetic that our "leaders" could not see this coming. It isn't like they tried to implement the new law and found it unworkable. The stench of the legislature hadn't even cleared the hall and they KNEW they had made a mistake.
New Coke comes to Utah politics.

Idaho Falls, ID

I'd like to know more behind their reasoning for passing such legislation to begin with, but you have to be suspicious whenever government officials want to hide what they're saying or doing. I can see how open records laws can be abused for political reasons, but that should be addressed without creating an environment where elected officials can hide inappropriate behavior on their part.

Kearns, UT

Come on people, this really isn't that complicated. First, they stuffed this bill through the late sessions, even with plenty of concerns from the public, because they do not fear voting repercussions. Second, they may or may not overturn the bill because they truly do not fear voting repercussions.

This is Utah. If you put Hillary Clinton on the ticket with an R by her name, she'd cruise to victory. Lawmakers aren't stupid, they know how Utah voters vote. They walk up to the ballot screen, select the Straight Party - R option, and trot out of the voting precinct.

For all the local concern over this bill currently, if you believe Republicans in Utah will go to the ballot in 2012 and vote for a Democrat over any of the Republicans who supported this bill, or any of the other wacko bills that were passed this year, you must be really new to the state. Just won't happen.

Saint George, UT

While they are at it, they need to repeal HB 116, the guest worker bill which to TOTALLY unfair to all those in Utah who are currently unemployed, and to those individuals outside our country who are waiting in line to work here legally.

Bountiful, UT

I agree with Urquart:

"This is bizarre that we have a special session called with four days' notice for a bill that won't go into effect for three months," he said. "It must be good PR, it must be good press, but it's bad governance."

This is bad governance. The bill needs to be scrapped and they need to start again from the beginning.

Roosevelt, UT

the only reason they would consider a special session is they are afradi of the groundswell. The govenor has already buckled on this one but he was happy to sign it into law. He has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and he is making the best of it.

The amnesty bill now has been declared illegal so it makes me wonder why the big push at the end of the session to push these two untoward bills through in spite of public outcry against both.

Do the legislators understand they are to make laws that help the people not the government?

It amazes me how soon the reality leaves those who are elected. They think they are better and are able to see further than people who elected them. At the end of the day we want to be able to see what you are doing so more messes like this don't happen and we don't want illgals for neighbors.

There are laws in place for those who choose to abide by them and we have a court system for those who choose not to abide by them.

Salt Lake City, Utah

Gov Herbert and the Legislature made a big mistake in passing HB477. They simply must admit the mistake and reinstate GRAMA, as it was, before they made the error. Senate President Waddoups continues to fail to admit the mistake. It is clear that he, and others like him, must be removed from office. The sooner the better.

Salt Lake City, UT

'Almost enough Senate votes committed to repeal HB477' - Title



I have yet to see any topic in Utah that has created such a groundswell. People from EVERY aspect of Utah living agree on this.

Democrats (Yes, they exist in Utah), Republicans, Independants, conservatives and liberals, I've seen all come to a common ground on this topic.

HB477 is a bad bill.

However because that is SUCH a political majority in this state, there is still a QUESTION wether or not HB477 will be repealed.

Very sad really.

When ALL of us can agree on something, it still seems to be in debate.

Send the message Republicans. For all this talk of 'goverment infringment' Republicans gave us the Patriot Act, which allows search of property without warrent...

the TSA, which allows search of person...

and now HB477 which DENIES accountability by Utah legislature by denying information about their actions.

I would say this is unaccetpable, but no one cares what a Democrat thinks in Utah.

And apparently, they don't care what Republicans think either. Because the legislature is COUNTING on Republican vote apathy...

to do what they want.

And not what the voters want.

Cedar City, UT

All citizens need to contact all state senators today - not just the one from your district -and let them know for certain that the people expect a repeal of 477 and no replacement is needed. Don't just talk about it - do something about it. Make the contacts today.

Salem, UT

All Dems for repeal- and all Utah county and south and basically Davis county and North Rep.s for repeal- hmmmm makes you wonder about those SLC Reps. that are not for repeal? What is their issue or their sense of safety in opposing repeal?

cottonwood heights, Ut

Sen Waddoups, after pushing HB 477 through the process quite rapidly, now wants to take the necessary time to ponder the ramifications of repealing this bill. He also wants to have a replacement bill ready to pass when HB 477 is repealed (if it is). Why the rush is his and other Senator's stance. It is interesting that now they want to "study" all the ramifications of the repeal of HB 477 but were not willing to properly vett the bill before it was passed...not enought time then it appears. What will the replacement bill be one must ask. Very likely more of the same...a way to hide or cover future actions of the legislature they don't want public. Why do they need this sort of cover? They already have closed coccus meetings where much of the legislative business is conducted before it comes to the floor of either house. What more do they need. The privacy "issues" of individual legislators is a "smoke screen" for other intents of a bill like 477 or whatever will replace it. We need sunshine, transparency; now and always. Just repeal 477 and move on in sunshine and transparency!

Ogden, UT

With HB477's repeal, these reps and senators also need to fix the problem with their lack of legislative ethics.

Not only do they want to conceal their behind-closed-doors activities, they don't want to be held to a code of ethics!

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

I agree, the only solution is absolute and complete repeal of HB477 AND then enact a real ethics code for Utah politicians!

Salt Lake City, UT

Corruption in government and a push for government secrecy go hand in hand don't they.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

New media has a loooooooong memory. And it's not expensive to get the word out. Beware, you politicians. It's a new world out there.

Morgan Duel
Taylorsville, UT

I wonder if HB 477 would be such a big deal if the media did not feel slighted. KSL had a huge push on this issue this morning with Doug Wright leading the charge.

But maybe it is time to look at the individuals in the legislature and see the problems and how to resolve them.

Maybe we should vote them all out.

Ogden, UT

To: Morgan Duel | 11:43 a.m. March 23, 2011
Taylorsville, UT

As much as some complain about the media, they are most responsible for the fact that we know what went on with HB477.

Thank goodness for the fact that we have a free press; it not, we'd have never known what these legislators were doing.

I say, "Thank you very much, Doug Wright. Keep up the good work!"

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