I think Evans has been a solid player for the Jazz....I am not sure what is
wrong with Fesenko...He has not developed in three years.I personally saw
and like Tomic...He is talented, maybe a little too skinny, butcerntainly
Jimmer probably has more athleticism than we give him credit for, kinda like
Hayward (better athlete than I thought) but the thing that makes Jimmer good is
how well he uses the stop and go and hesitation/change of direction plus he has
unbelievable range. Time will tell but using our 2nd lottery pick for Jimmer, I
think would be a good move. I wouldn't use the first one on him but we need a
shooter and he can shoot. He doesn't have the size Korver has, but I think he
can shoot like Korver. Jimmer can do alot more with the ball than Korver
can/could do and if others on his team can create and get him open looks, I
think Jimmer would be a great asset.II think we need Barnes, Jones or
Vesely, I hope one of them will still be around when we draft at #6 or 7.
Would that be Jaycee Carroll, who leads in scoring in one of those leagues over
there! USU grad who is drawing comparisons to Fredette here. Jimmer
best in the country? Let's compare Kemba Walker's stats to Fredette. Jimmer 35 minutes a game, 28.6 pts, 3.5 rbs, 4.3 assists, 1.3 steals, 3.5
turnovers, 45 percent from the field, 88 percent from the line, and 39 percent
from 3. Plays in a two team or 3 team league.Kemba 37 minutes a
game, 23.4 pts, 5.4 rbs, 4.5 assts, 1.9 stls, 2.2 to's 43 percent, 80 percent
and 34 percent from 3. Many game winning shots, his team won the conference
tourney and plays in arguably the toughest conference in the country. I don't
think Jimmer, who can't even put up the same assists,rebounds,steals and
turnovers in a weaker league, would have the same success as Kemba if they were
in the same league, let alone the game winning shots and plays. I
like Jimmer, but he is over-hyped! Prove me wrong vs Gonzaga Jimmer, then I
might be a believer.
Jimmer Fredette = Jaycee Carroll. Where's Jaycee Carroll now? Oh yeah, in Spain,
he wasn't drafted. Jimmer hype is just that, hype. Nuff said.
Other players had good players on their team. Ainge had much better team than
Jimmer does. Don't get my wrong. I am not a BYU fan at all but Jimmer puts on
a show when you watch him in person. I have watched him in the Mountain West
Tournament the last two years and he does things that no one else can do. He
makes Adam Morrison look like he couldn't play and Adam was considered a really
good college player.When Jimmer is on, he is unstoppable. Against
New Mexico last week, he was unstoppable. Name a player in college that you can
say that about? The only one who comes to mind lately was Curry at Davidson for
a few games. Jimmer does it every game.Would I draft Jimmer? No
.....Not til the second round. But he is the best college player I have ever
I haven't watched Jimmer play too many times but I like how he finishes at the
rim, although he does take a lot more outside shots than any NBA team will ever
give him. I'm pretty sure that the biggest reason the Jazz would even consider
drafting Fredette is because of the huge crowd of fans that he'll bring with
him. That said, I think the Jazz need to draft for size first, followed by
athleticism and shooting percentage. Being too small and too slow hasn't
allowed them to keep up with the better teams in the league. They also need
some star power, but Jefferson may actually get to that level soon (if he
improves his defense).
@CJ....Jimmer, the best college player you have ever seen?? that might be your
weakest post ever! Jimmer with all his greatness, is probably only going to take
the cougs to the second rd of the tourney in his great college career. I
wouldn't even put him over Ainge at this point, not to mention all those players
who have taken their teams to a championship! I do agree with your
post, however, that it doesn't make sense to compare players to other players.
D-will is Jason Kidd, except that he's not.
Jameer Nelson. Instead the jazz drafted humphries and the guy from nevada. I
would've drafted Jameer.
Please Don't compare Jimmer to Dwill, Nash or anyone else. Jimmer has a style
all of his own. It's like trying to compare someone to Magic Johnson. There
will never be another Magic Johnson.Jimmer is the best college
player I have ever watched play. That does not mean that he will be a good or
great NBA player. But without any doubt, guys like Jimmer don't come along very
often.I believe because Jimmer can score in so many ways, that he
will have a career in the NBA. But he may never be a starter or an all-star.Jimmer is not a very good passer. But that skill could improve over
Play the young players as much as you can the rest of the year and don't worry
about the playoffs. They have as much chance of getting you there as the vetrans
anyway. Kirilenko, Elson and Maybe Okur will be gone next year. We don't need
price anymore but I think Raja would be good to hang onto for another year to
see how his health holds up. Trade one of the lottery picks for a decent
center or good small forward or both for a good, young center. I would like to
see Bogut in Utah.Draft Jimmer if you have a pick out of the lottery(from
a trade) and there is no-one else you love. He is a risk but so is everyone else
after the first 5-10 picks.In fact, the Jazz should hire me since I know
so much. hahaha!
@houdiniJJ Redick, really? Maybe I need to watch some game film but to me
Redick is a good shooter like about a million other guys in the NBA (he is a
white shooter though). Jimmer is a scorer. In fact I think Redick might even be
a better shooter than Jimmer. But Jimmer is creative and has the ability to
score. When he gets doubled he will split the double team and drive the lane ala
Nash. He can score or dish off to another open player ala Nash. And he can hit
the open 3 ala Nash. I see Redick bombimg away, and he is good, but I don't see
a big similarity to Jimmer imho.
Faried would be cool. although the only game i have ever watched of him was
yesterday, his stats show he can rebound though, the Jazz can use that. What is
the word on Tomic coming over? with the draft picks next year, Hayward, Favors,
and Tomic/Evans I am hoping the Jazz have a good team without the years of a
disapointing re-building team upcoming. granted the jazz don't have an allstar,
but AJ's looking good, and Favors keeps getting compared to Love.
Hey Price is returning, suddenly all of the Jazz problems are solved! We are
going to make the playoffs for sure now! The Jazz don't need any
tweeners or back-ups. We need athletes. I'd take Leonard of SDSU before I'd take
Jimmer, a shooting guard in a point guard's body. We need more Ron Artest
defensive types, instead of no defense. Jimmer's testing in the speed, agility
and jumping categories could push him from the lotto to the twenties. When it
comes to Jimmer, don't say D-will, say Mark Jackson.
Harrison is my top player. Hopefully NC lays an egg today. Jimmer with
the second pick would be great - if he is there. Anyone who think Jimmer can't
be a point guard in the NBA is nuts. In the NBA if you can make it to the rim
you can be successful. The NBA defense is better but Jimmer won't be doubled
teamed as much and the current rules in the NBA are pretty much don't touch a
guard. Player without elite athletic ability who are very successfulNash,
Parker, Nelson and Curry. And none of these guys are considered great defensive
players. Redick is a great shooter, but he cannot get to the basket. He
is not JimmerThe Player I think Jimmers games translate to is Jameer
Nelson (on Orlando) As far a the play-off pushActually the
Next 3 games - Houston, Memphis and New Orleans are really the only stretch that
the Jazz needs to win. If they win all 3 they have a chance to make the playoff
if not - They are pretty much done. Considering the rest of their schedule is
In light of CJ's good performance from the other night, I won't bag on him
today. Rather, since a few commentors on here are 'name-dropping' players that
the Jazz should draft, let me offer this name for one of the Jazz's potential
draftees: Kenneth Faried. Don't know who he is? Ask Rick Pitino's Cardinals
if they do or not.
@Captain L"Your wrong about shooters not translating from college to
the NBA, if your a good shooter you can shoot, it doesn't matter what level your
playing at."Ya... just ask Adam Morrison and Morris Almond.
Even Ronnie Price shot pretty well in college.NBA is a faster pace
and intimidates shooters.
Doug: I know you want to rag on bugoff about his comparison but don't exagerate
both ways, Jimmer is 6'2 and DWill is 6'3 and Jimmer does have a big frame and
is/plays strong.I wouldn't you a top ten pick on Jimmer but using the
second of our lottery picks on him may not be a bad idea, he can shoot and
create we need shooters & creators. Any comparison to an AllStar is probably
unrealistic but the way Jimmer handles the ball I can see how redliffs could see
that Jimmer could end up playing like Nash, it's a stretch but feasable, if you
have a little immagination.Your wrong about shooters not translating from
college to the NBA, if your a good shooter you can shoot, it doesn't matter what
level your playing at. Jimmer forces alot of shots with BYU and if he plays with
a whole team of great players he won't be the volume shooter he is now and he
will take shots within the offense and he will translate just fine to the NBA.
Defense is the big question mark with Jimmer.
I compare Jimmer more to a JJ Redick,not bad,but not Williams or Nash either
bugoff is in his own little world usggesting that Jimmer is same size as DWill.
I am not sure how you get 6'1 190 lbs vs 6'4 220 as the same size. I can only
imagine the same line of reasoning was used when he inaccurately thought Jimmer
was a better shooter.Although Jimmer is a shooter in college those
rarely translate to be better shooters than all star guards in the NBA. There
is a world of difference in the levels of play and for Bugoff to even suggest
that a college player who hits a relatively low percetnage of his shots can be
better then DWill is laughable.Currently there is a lot of hope for
the Jazz young players to develop but it would be nice to root for a team that
is polished and plays well together and wasn't in the rebulding or maturing mode
I compare Jimmer to Steve Nash of Phoenix. Jimmer is a pretty good ball handler
like Nash, he can drive and kick, and he can hit the outside shot. I know Nash
is an all star and I'm not suggested Jimmer will reach that level but I see some
similarities in abilities. Teams playing BYU build a game plan to guard Jimmer
and he is swarmed over because other teams know if they can slow him down the
cubborad can be a little bare at times and they have a chance to win. In the NBA
he will be matched against better players all the time but he will also be
surrounded by other good players and won't be forced to do as much, or get
double teamed all the time
@BugoffI would be careful in liking Fredette to DWill in every way
except experience. Fredette does not have the same height/size as Deron. Deron
is an amazing pro player when healthy. I think Fredette could make it in the
NBA at some level, but it'll be interesting to see what he can do when he
doesn't constantly have the ball in his hands. Have you noticed just how much
he dribbles the ball?
Kanter would be a good pick. He could replace Memo if Memo can't return. Think
about a front line of AJ/Favors starting and Kanter/Millsap coming in.Vesley could be a good alternative to Kanter is AK does not stay. Burks or
Jimmer would be a good second pick. Jimmer is much quicker and also
much faster (when he wants to be) than most people realize. He can play in the
NBA. If the Jazz run more up tempo with Harris, Jimmer makes some sense. Further, Jimmer can develop his passing and PG skills. BYU does not ask
him to defend or pass that much. He is not a true PG in their system. He is about as fast and quick as DWill. I know a bunch of you will disagree
but I watched him. He can move when he wants to. He is also DWill's size and is
a better shooter. He lacks DWill's experience as a PG. I think the
Jazz do need a much better SG. Lets see how CJ plays the rest of the year.
Hayward is a better SG than SF. Replacing/Backing up AK is a major
Even though I see alot of potential if Fes, I don't see the Jazz keeping him.
Maybe it will be good for him to move on to a different team and see if he can
get more PT, so he can develop.I hope the Jazz draft a long, athletic 3,
those I mentioned seem to fit that category, Barnes isn't as tall & long,
but he is very athletic and skilled, Vesely is 6'11 and plays the 3 on a top
team in Europe, he runs the floor well, has a good motor and has good hops, he
can shoot the 3 ok. Jones(Baylor) is 6'11" and has good ball handling
skills, shoots from everywhere, good athlete, maybe the most potential of anyone
in the draft. We do need a center but I don't know if there is one worth going
after. I'd have to see or hear alot more about Walker to see which one (Jimmer
or Walker) I think would be a good fit. I really like how Jimmer can shoot and
the Jazz need shooters. Defense ?????????
@scalman... you said one more year to evaluate fes? i've seen fes play for 3
years now. he's going nowhere. he just doesn't have the skills to be a starter
or a reliever. sadly, he is just a 3rd string center. he and koofus couldn't
even score at garbage time when koof was in utah. favors and okur(if he ever
gets healthy again) can man the C position next season. who knows, the jazz may
be able to draft a dominant big, also. and i hope the jazz draft a really good
wing player that can shoot and defend. i've given up on the jazz this season but
i'm optimistic that the jazz has a good future.
Kemba Walker of UConn is a possible pick for the Jazz. He is small but lightning
quick. He is a junior, too, so he's had some good coaching by now. Maybe they
should try to go Barnes/Walker. I like the SF combo of Hayward/Tomic for the
future, though. The coming off season should bring surprises...hope they are
Captain: I think going with Jimmer with second pick is a possibility, but I
would like to see the Jazz get either Barnes or Jonas V of Lithuania with one of
the picks. Jonas V would be smart if Corbin and KOC decide Fes is not their
answer for the C position (or even as a sold backup C). I would like to see the
Jazz trade one of their picks this year for a pick next year, in hopes that a
big man more to their liking than Jonas V might be available and also that gives
them one more year to play and evaluate Fes. As for the PG position, it is lean
in this years draft after the Duke guy. There also, the Jazz might be better off
picking someone next year.
This team has potential. Look at all the young talent we have, and we'll be
adding more. Look what Favors can do at 19. And Hayward, Evans and the other
young guys are getting minutes and can contribute. Just in time for the Lakers,
Spurs and Mavs to get old and be on the decline, the Jazz will be surging over
the next few years. I can't wait!
I think they should always play to win and to try to get into the playoffs, but
I won't be too upset if this team doesn't make the playoffs and we end up with
two lottery picks. We are young already and adding more young players is always
a concern but we need talent and if nothing else it gives KOC more options to
work with.I think we need to draft to fill the 3 spot with length,
athleticism and shooting, I like Barnes, Jones(Baylor), Vesely, Jones(Kentucky).
With the second pick (probably 13th or 12th) I wouldn't mind them going for
Jimmer, he is a great shooter and he can penetrate and create. His D is the big
question.With AK's contract expiring, (hope we can resign for 6to8
Mil.)and Okur's questionable health, the Jazz may be able to free up alot of
money to go for experienced player(s)to fill some gaps.What players do
some of you like?We may need to look at PG for the future too.