Utah Utes basketball: Rumors flying in coach search


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  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    March 20, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    RE: "Sports Ilustrated confirming Utah and Dave Rose have met a couple weeks ago and Rose is leaning towards Utah. Announcement coming this Saturday."

    har!... Just unbelieveable that you spew this stuff... About as accurate as your predictions of how the mighty Zags would blow out the Cougars.

    The probability of Dave Rose going to the Utes is the same as I DO of coaching the Utes.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    March 20, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    RE: The possibility of Dave Rose leaving BYU to coach the Utes.......


  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    March 18, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Almost too funny watching all the Ute fans clamor over Rose while mocking BYU's program for the last several years. I guess it shows how much little brother truly does admire big brother.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    March 18, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    The PAC 10.2, that's funny!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 18, 2011 10:12 a.m.


    There are a number of reasons outside the honor code that could get Dave Rose to leave BYU. He doesn't show it on the outside, but how could he not be upset by what happened in leaving the MWC?

    If they had landed in the WAC and the WAC had stayed intact, the competition level would have been a little higher across the league and given them better shots at future NCAA bids. In the WCC their RPI will drop, because of the competition they will be playing.

    The WCC is a one bid basketball league and BYU will have to win the conference tournament to get that bid each year. Look at what happened with St. Mary's this year.

    Recruiting is going to suffer. As much as the BYU fans like to disrespect the PAC-12, the bottom line is the league has more respect than the WCC. Just look at how many PAC-10 teams got bids to the Big Dance vs. the WCC. Kids want to have a better shot at exposure and what better exposure is there than the NCAA tournament.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    March 18, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    Chris B

    Read the SI article, can you quote where they state Rose said he is leaving, I couldn't find it. How many have visited or spoke with Hill? Are they all lined up to take the job? It seems logical that anyone taking the job would want to step up. So why would Rose want to go.

    Coach Rose is special person and loves what he does. I am sure he is paid well at the Y, but I don't believe that money is his sole purpose nor is ego. Do you see how concerned he is for Brandon's well being, not just winning at all costs.

    So many are assuming he would go to the U to avoid the "honor code" and be able to recruit players that want to live a life style different from the Y. Don't think so, Dave has a code he lives by as well.

    Let's wait and see, I really hope he stays because he represents the Y so well as do his players.

    Go Cougars and in mourning for my Aggies.


  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    Sports Ilustrated confirming Utah and Dave Rose have met a couple weeks ago and Rose is leaning towards Utah. Announcement coming this Saturday.

    Welcome aboard coach

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    March 17, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    Rose is probably underpaid at BYU, but his salary isn't made public, so who knows? The Utah coach's salary IS public and if I were a Utah taxpayer, I would be very unhappy (can't say that other word in this paper) if I had to pay off Boylen's salary, after having paid Giacoletti's salary and whatever it costs to join the PAC10 and then paid Rose or any other coach what it will cost to get someone who can compete with the lower tier of the PAC12. If money isn't the issue (and who could blame Rose if it is) why else would he leave a very successful program which will finally have national exposure and an almost certain NCAA tournament berth for the forseeable future? Utah will continue to be a coach's graveyard regardless of who is dumb enough to take the job.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    March 17, 2011 11:29 p.m.


  • Yner4Life Springville, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Br. Bluto... to answer your last question "... can anyone here honestly name even one sport, other than gymnastics, where Utah will claim a Conference Championship, in the next 10 years?"

    uh... no.

    "The chances of gaining non LDS fans by this exporsure dream is almost nil"

    The only thing that is "nil" is your predictions hedgie. "One and done being the latest.

    I know you'll be watching BYU play Saturday. You're a great fan. Can't get enough can you?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    @ all the Ute trolls

    Utah's athletic program is = to BYU's. LOL

    Utah won 1 Conference Championship last year. That's right, One!

    BYU 9.

    Same this year.

    BYU had 9 Top 25 programs.

    BYU has won half of all their league Championships for 40 years.

    As for All-Americans, Consensus All-Americans, Hall of Famers....save yourself the embarrassment, don't go there.

    The two programs are not comparable.

    I attended the U, grew up going to their games, I know the history.

    Do you think ESPN is paying millions to BYU because they don't have a National Fanbse?

    Do you think ESPN cares what Religious affiliation those fans have?

    Grasp at straws all day long Utes, you know, we know and ESPN knows, which team has Legacy and Cache.

    You can build your self worth based upon your Conference membership all you want. In the end, one half of all these so called BIG-6 teams are bottomfeeders, the Washington Generals so to speak.


    Seriously, all hyperbole aside, can anyone here honestly name even one sport, other than gymnastics, where Utah will claim a Conference Championship, in the next 10 years?

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Rose will probably use the UofU to get a big raise and extension from BYU. It will be much deserved. The truth is no one know how much Rose makes. It is not public.

    He is not leaving BYU. He has spend too much time recruiting Harrison.
    That was his top priority.
    Carlino and Harrison are the best 2 recruits in the state over the last 5 years.

    Carlino - ESPN 93 ranking
    Harrison - ESPN 92 ranking

    So not only is he already able to get great out of state recruits
    Rose is getting most of the top Utah Recruits (he missed on CJ Watson)
    Are all players that BYU was able to land.

    He has a good chance at getting Loveridge (better than Utah
    Nick Emery
    The Younger Haws Brother.
    Chatman (out of state) will join them

    In 2 years. BYU will have C Collinsworth. Davies, Haws, Harrison, Carlino. That team right there will be better than this years team.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 17, 2011 1:37 p.m.

    Max | 6:05 a.m.
    Syracuse, NY
    I, too, am surprised that Dave Rose was not mentioned.

    Makes ya wonder why that is, with all the reports from Chris and Hedge about a supposed dinner.

    Why would he not be interested in more money, that Utah will not see for a long time, as they payoff Boylen, and need to expand RES and build for the Olympic sports? Money should be something BYU can not keep up with (especially with their new ESPN deal that has to be split one-way).

    But the prestige factor is there. Why not race over to coach at a PAC doormat with regional coverage instead of at a #10 University with recruits like Demarcus Harrison, (who is coming in because his parents wanted family and friends to be able to watch every game on TV) and missionaries in the pipeline.

    Hey, if Rose wants to go, he should. I don't think they mentioned him because it's either not an option for Dr. Hill, or Rose.

    Seems like there are many who are taking their names out of being considered.

    Luckily, Tommy Connor hasn't yet. I hope Dr. Hill gets busy.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    March 17, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    Ya why would Rose want to leave the mighty WCC for the PAC 12? Here's your reward for taking the coogs to national prominence Dave, go play in the jv league. The WAC is a better league. Juddy and Rose are both coming. Can't announce until next week when Rose is finished with big dance duties.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 17, 2011 12:52 p.m.


    Congratz, for being in the .0009% club.

    feel better?

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    March 17, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    hey hegie....for your information....I'm a non LDS person that loves BYU. And I know many of us that attended BYU that aren't members of their church and still follow them heavily. By the way....that 99.999% you speak of can be said of Notre Dame too. Oh, by the way. I'm a practicing Catholic.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    @ Bluto:

    I will live in the past. I learned it by watching your school & athletic dept. write the book on it. But if you want to take the last 5 years of Cougar basketball and use that a your sample size to claim program superiority over the U, go right ahead. It just validates the belief by many Ute fans that Cougar fans have an over-inflated opinion of their team & program. Hop back on the Utah comment boards when James Fredette leads his Band of Brothers past the 2nd weekend of the Tourney. Until then, I will look back with fond memories of Dre, M Doleac, a kid from Toole, UT, an out-of-shape RM in Al Jensen, and a Fin take down the defending National Champs in the Elite 8. Keep slurping the blue kool-aid, brother.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 17, 2011 11:42 a.m.


    I agree with Mormon Ute. All your posturing has everything to do with religion and much less to do with sports. The bYu fanbase is the same for football as it is for firesides.

    99.999% of tds fans ar LDS. The chances of gaining non LDS fans by this exporsure dream is almost nil.

    A very different story for say a Notre Dame. Inwhich sports fans of all denominations are attracted to the brand.

    I suggest you stop trying to connect the dots of between sports and viewership, again tiddlywinks would have the same draw - no more, no less.

  • Al Bundy murray, ut
    March 17, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    The new Pac-12 logo is awesome. Go Utes!

  • imcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Golf Hack - that message to Bluto was to you - you are the one that is asking to be reminded. Please, please, please quit letting your emotions rob you of common sense.

  • imcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    Hey Bluto,

    Since you are in the mood to be reminded. How many final 4s has BYU ever been to. How many elite 8s? How many bowl games have they won? How many BCS games have they won? How many BCS games have they been invited to? How many #1 draft picks in basketball? How many in football? Bluto - you are the reason that I laugh out loud when I read these message boards. Do you really think that BYU or Utah is better than the other?!!! C'mn dude - they are the same gig! They both are mediocre fish in a big pond. I am a red-blooded Ute grad and fan - but I have a level headed attitude and realistically - nobody believes that the Y's athletic program is better than the U's and nobody beleives that the U's is better than the Ys. Quit basing your enjoyment of BYU on the "inferiority" of the U.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    March 17, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    @ Golfhack20 You are forgetting that at Ybu, it's not about winning games in the big dance, it is about having more fans in the seats. Oh, and having a better record than Utah for the past few years.
    Little brother is happy to just be better than big brother. The rest of the tournament stuff is just glossed over. (Conveniently)
    Go Utes.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 17, 2011 10:50 a.m.


    Why do you feel the need to disrespect one of the great basketball programs in the intermountain west just because some of have our eyes on your coach? Are you worried we might actually succeed at getting him? You sure seem to feel the need to lie about the Utes basketball program in order to make your point. Our program has plenty of respect as evidenced by the seeding we have had when we have qualified for the Big Dance and the wins we have had in the Big Dance.

    Regarding BYU's television deal. The only reason BYU basketball is on ESPN is because of the WCC deal with ESPN. The national deal to televise all home games regardless of the oponent's conference affiliation is for football. I find it funny how so many of you BYU fans have tried to hard to carry that over to basketball. You also talk as though your team success is what drives it all when you know darn well it is the affiliation with the church that brings the fans. 90% of your fans never even went to the school and cheer for your team simply because they are Mormon.

  • Kipp Salt Lake, UT
    March 17, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    PHealy: seriously? Judkins? He may have been a true Ute, but has been a cougar for the past ten years, plus he is coaching the coeds. He may as well coach tennis or girls soccer. Bring in someone who is currently in the game.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2011 10:17 a.m.


    We know, your favorite album is Jethro Tull Living in the past.

    Why don't you renmind us of Utah's 15k seat arena drawing crowds of 2-3 Thousand. Can't count the know shows.

    Remind us of how incoherant rants serve any purpose?

    Remind us as to why any recruit would go to a school with not only no National TV exposure but no local tv as well?

    Remind us how Chris Hill is scrambling to get any tv-local games next year for utes football or basketball. Scott Pierce column.

    Remind us how being the doormat of a league, any league, elevates you to elite status by virtue of your conference affilaition?

    Nobody fears the Washington States, Iowa States, Vanderbilts, Rutgers, Baylors etc. of the world. And yet, every one of these teams have a better basktball program than does the U.

    Remind us how having a WCC ESPN TV deal, (Gonzaga 15 times on National TV this year), is somehow inferior to Utah's predicament.

    Even with a new TV package, utah will never equal BYU's National exposure. Recruits will notice and also notice Utah's lack thereof.

    Enjoy your Obscurity utes.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    March 17, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    "If he wants someone who is already established as a successful head coach (or even a successful assistant), he will have to wait a bit."


    I agree. Dr. Hill will wait until tonight or possibly Saturday night to announce his new coach.

  • Golfhack20 West Jordan, Ut
    March 17, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Remind me how many total wins BYU has in the big dance again. Before tonight you have 10. After tonight you will have 11. After your win tonight you have the same amount Andre Miller had in his 4 year career at Utah. So just because you are on TV doesn't mean you are better and will do well in the dance. You don't want to compare programs because all you have is a few years. In fact I don't think Utah has ever gone 1-26, I should check my facts but not to concerned about it. Sports fans only relate to what have you done for me lately. In BYU's case a lot. In UTAH's case nothing. Utah needs a coach who will stay here and want to stay here a long time. Most important win and get the best local talent period. Good Luck tonight BYU!!!

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    Hey....Roger Reid is available Chris. My feeling is Chris Hill's time is over. He has had his chances to bring in a competent reliable basketball coach and has failed. He is luck to have the football coach. These rumors of Dave Rose following Wittingham to Utah is silly. Utah will be a doormat in the PAC-10/12 trust me.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 17, 2011 9:35 a.m.


    Your reasoning is logical. But, for that matter, ALL the good teams are in the tournament. If he wants someone who is already established as a successful head coach (or even a successful assistant), he will have to wait a bit. I would have been surprised (and worried) if he had come out already with a hire.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    March 17, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    when you guys say high school....is it kind of like what your gym was like all year....heck for the past 5 years? Oh i see, wow you guys are really smart. are you even able to walk and talk at the same time?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Sir Chicken...

    'Red' with envy of the WCC teams that made it to the tournament and the best that can be said that the Cougars will have a lower seed in the coming years.

    I'll take that as a compliment considering the source.

    I'm looking at the NCAA stories and U ain't in them. I see Jimmer on the cover of SI and it's not the swimsuit edition.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    When will the "little sisters of the poor" (BYU fans) quit crying and moaning about the Utes elevation/invite t0 the PAC 12? You have chosen to go it alone as an independent in football and WCC in all other sports live with it. It is what it is. No matter what you say, you know and everyone else knows it is small time, little sisterish.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    I know....



  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    Why would Rose take a step down to coach at Utah?

    Sure, BYU is going to the WCC. That's 8 games a year in smaller venues.

    And that still leaves 22 games a year at other arenas, all accross this Country.

    With ESPN actively participating in BYU's scheduling (ESPN owns the rights to all of BYU's home games) BYU will play a great schedule.
    It's about Rankings, RPI, & Natioanl TV Games in College hoops.

    Not riding the Coat-Tails of a Conference.

    Eight of those 16 WCC games will be played in 22,700 seat Marriott Center.

    BYU has been a Top-Twenty team in Attendance for 40 years. Many years Top Ten.
    This year Top 3. Even with a post Jimmer drop-off, it will still outdraw Utah by about 3 fold.

    BYU is a National Program, with a National Fanbase. Not a Reginal one likeUtah.

    BYU will be on National TV every game. ESPN or BYU-TV.

    Utah will not. Not now not ever.

    Arizona is complinning they have no exposure TV wise.

    Utah is not an elite program in the MWC, they certainly will not be in the PAC-10 little 2.

  • Sportfanatic West Jordan, UT
    March 17, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    I too am going to agree with Chris B on this one. I feel that the reason that it's taking Chris Hill so long, is because BYU is still playing basketball. Chris Hill knows what a gem BYU has as it's BYU men's head basketball coach, and he is classy enough to not stir up controversy while the cougars are still in the tournament. When BYU finally bows out of the tourmanent, only then, will the public start to hear the Dave Rose rumors. As much as I would love to see Dave Rose remain at BYU, I fell that just like Kyle Whittingham, Utah will offer Dave Rose an offer that he cannot refuse. First reason to go; More money. BYU will not pay their coaches what they are truly worth, because athletics falls to somewhere between 5th and 6th on their priority list. That is the major reason why Kyle Whittingham stayed at Utah. We all know, that in todays economy, that money is a driving factor. Second reason; No honor code to deal with. Third reason; PAC 12. Much more attractive than the WCC, and easier to recruit. Fourth; No relocation. Dave goes.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 17, 2011 8:53 a.m.


    Enjoy your WCC "ticket to the big dance". Did you notice that both WCC teams in the tournament this year - even your champion - got double-digit seeds?

    And from your quip about Utah "rebuilding" it's football program, you'd think that Utah went 6-6 instead of 10-2. Come to think of it, somebody around here went 6-6 last year including a loss to Utah State...can you remind me who it was?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 17, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    "...and a half full Marriott Center."

    That's funny.

    Go ahead and dis the WCC all you want but it certainly looks like to be a ticket to the big dance while the Utes struggle in the PAC-10.2 rebuilding its football and basketball men's programs.

    Without Title 9 and its great women's programs the Utes would have little to look forward to next season.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    Chris Hill is being classy about this and not bringing up Dave Rose while byu continues to play. My guess is by this time next Utah will have a new coach in Dave Rose. The two have already met for lunch about two weeks ago many people have reported.

    Rose is a quality coach and worthy of the PAC 12, not high school west conference.

  • PHealey Holladay, UT
    March 17, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    I know many will think I am crazy and he doomed himself when he went to womens bball but Jeff Judkins would still be a great fit and do very well. I think he got run out by Majerus and that is when the program nose dived. I think he should be looked at seriously. He is a true ute that knows the game.

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    March 17, 2011 6:05 a.m.

    I, too, am surprised that Dave Rose was not mentioned. Rose has proven himself to be a great coach and with BYU heading to the WCC to play in high school sized gyms and a half full Marriott Center, it would certainly be understandable if he was interested. On the other hand, he may be tarred and feathered by BYU fans if he does, however, I don't think anybody could blame him given the circumstances.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    March 17, 2011 12:16 a.m.

    Cowboy Joe
    What about Jerry Sloan? He already has ties to the state.


    Under Sloan doesn't play rookies a freshman would have to sit 2-3 years... so not likly.

    "Four, coaches like Rick Majerus are once in a lifetime."

    Urban Mayer in football, so its twice in a lifetime.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2011 11:49 p.m.

    Larry Krystowiak

  • Slim Shady 801 Bluffdale, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    A couple of thoughts:

    One, Chris Hill needs to get this one right. Another bad hire and his ability to get a good coach is questionable. He could be next.

    Two, go after established head coaches. I never thought Steve Alford would leave the Big Ten (Iowa) for the MWC. Hill needs to check everyone out.

    Three, forget about assistants. Coaches like Johnny Dawkins has been average at best at Stanford. Wojo has no recruiting experience in the West. Just because they played at Duke does not prove a thing. Get someone with head coaching experience.

    Four, coaches like Rick Majerus are once in a lifetime. Maybe now people will begin to realize how good he was.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    I feel that Hill is a tremendous AD. He has presided over Utah athletics during a time of tremendous growth, development and success. Facilities, recruitment, conference championships, national successes and recognition, and an invite from a BCS conference...who would have thought this could occur 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

    One of the challenges is finding the right personnel, coaches. Hiring is tough. In general Dr. Hill has done a tremendous job. Unfortunately, the last 2 basketball coaches have not worked out, for whatever reason. I really hope Utah enjoys a great coach this time. Good luck to all involved in the search, interviewing, recruiting of the new coach.

    I am a BYU grad 1992. Grew up in Provo, Y fan true blue through and through. But it is painful to watch Utah basketball struggle.

    I enjoy it when BYU, Utah, and Utah State are all competitive with one another in sports. It makes it all the sweeter when BYU dominates when all the programs are successful.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 16, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Joe - wouldn't that be something, Sloan might be a great college coach - if he could avoid T's. It's funny Rose's name was not on the list - acording to all the crazies over on Ute Fan it is almost a done deal. The guys at Ute Fan cant be wrong all the time but they are making a valiant effort. LOL

  • Cowboy Joe Encampment, WY
    March 16, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    What about Jerry Sloan? He already has ties to the state. i heard he is considering the Wyoming job.