RE: "Sports Ilustrated confirming Utah and Dave Rose have met a couple
weeks ago and Rose is leaning towards Utah. Announcement coming this
Saturday."har!... Just unbelieveable that you spew this
stuff... About as accurate as your predictions of how the mighty Zags would
blow out the Cougars.The probability of Dave Rose going to the Utes
is the same as I DO of coaching the Utes.
RE: The possibility of Dave Rose leaving BYU to coach the Utes.......HILARIOUS!
Almost too funny watching all the Ute fans clamor over Rose while mocking BYU's
program for the last several years. I guess it shows how much little brother
truly does admire big brother.
The PAC 10.2, that's funny!
aggieblue,There are a number of reasons outside the honor code that
could get Dave Rose to leave BYU. He doesn't show it on the outside, but how
could he not be upset by what happened in leaving the MWC? If they
had landed in the WAC and the WAC had stayed intact, the competition level would
have been a little higher across the league and given them better shots at
future NCAA bids. In the WCC their RPI will drop, because of the competition
they will be playing. The WCC is a one bid basketball league and
BYU will have to win the conference tournament to get that bid each year. Look
at what happened with St. Mary's this year.Recruiting is going to
suffer. As much as the BYU fans like to disrespect the PAC-12, the bottom line
is the league has more respect than the WCC. Just look at how many PAC-10 teams
got bids to the Big Dance vs. the WCC. Kids want to have a better shot at
exposure and what better exposure is there than the NCAA tournament.
Chris BRead the SI article, can you quote where they state Rose said
he is leaving, I couldn't find it. How many have visited or spoke with Hill? Are
they all lined up to take the job? It seems logical that anyone taking the job
would want to step up. So why would Rose want to go. Coach Rose is
special person and loves what he does. I am sure he is paid well at the Y, but I
don't believe that money is his sole purpose nor is ego. Do you see how
concerned he is for Brandon's well being, not just winning at all costs. So many are assuming he would go to the U to avoid the "honor
code" and be able to recruit players that want to live a life style
different from the Y. Don't think so, Dave has a code he lives by as well.Let's wait and see, I really hope he stays because he represents the Y
so well as do his players.Go Cougars and in mourning for my
Sports Ilustrated confirming Utah and Dave Rose have met a couple weeks ago and
Rose is leaning towards Utah. Announcement coming this Saturday.Welcome aboard coach
Rose is probably underpaid at BYU, but his salary isn't made public, so who
knows? The Utah coach's salary IS public and if I were a Utah taxpayer, I would
be very unhappy (can't say that other word in this paper) if I had to pay off
Boylen's salary, after having paid Giacoletti's salary and whatever it costs to
join the PAC10 and then paid Rose or any other coach what it will cost to get
someone who can compete with the lower tier of the PAC12. If money isn't the
issue (and who could blame Rose if it is) why else would he leave a very
successful program which will finally have national exposure and an almost
certain NCAA tournament berth for the forseeable future? Utah will continue to
be a coach's graveyard regardless of who is dumb enough to take the job.
Br. Bluto... to answer your last question "... can anyone here honestly
name even one sport, other than gymnastics, where Utah will claim a Conference
Championship, in the next 10 years?"uh... no."The chances of gaining non LDS fans by this exporsure dream is almost
nil"The only thing that is "nil" is your predictions
hedgie. "One and done being the latest.I know you'll be
watching BYU play Saturday. You're a great fan. Can't get enough can you?
@ all the Ute trollsUtah's athletic program is = to BYU's. LOLUtah won 1 Conference Championship last year. That's right, One!BYU 9.Same this year.BYU had 9 Top 25
programs.BYU has won half of all their league Championships for 40
years.As for All-Americans, Consensus All-Americans, Hall of
Famers....save yourself the embarrassment, don't go there.The two
programs are not comparable.I attended the U, grew up going to their
games, I know the history.Do you think ESPN is paying millions to
BYU because they don't have a National Fanbse?Do you think ESPN
cares what Religious affiliation those fans have?Grasp at straws all
day long Utes, you know, we know and ESPN knows, which team has Legacy and
Cache.You can build your self worth based upon your Conference
membership all you want. In the end, one half of all these so called BIG-6 teams
are bottomfeeders, the Washington Generals so to speak.U=WazuSeriously, all hyperbole aside, can anyone here honestly name even one
sport, other than gymnastics, where Utah will claim a Conference Championship,
in the next 10 years?
Rose will probably use the UofU to get a big raise and extension from BYU. It
will be much deserved. The truth is no one know how much Rose makes. It is not
public. He is not leaving BYU. He has spend too much time
recruiting Harrison. That was his top priority. Carlino and
Harrison are the best 2 recruits in the state over the last 5 years. Carlino - ESPN 93 rankingHarrison - ESPN 92 rankingSo
not only is he already able to get great out of state recruitsRose is
getting most of the top Utah Recruits (he missed on CJ Watson)CollinsworthDaviesHawsEmeryAre all players that BYU
was able to land.He has a good chance at getting Loveridge (better
than UtahNick EmeryThe Younger Haws Brother. Chatman (out of
state) will join them In 2 years. BYU will have C Collinsworth.
Davies, Haws, Harrison, Carlino. That team right there will be better than this
Max | 6:05 a.m. Syracuse, NY I, too, am surprised that Dave Rose was
not mentioned.===Makes ya wonder why that is, with all the
reports from Chris and Hedge about a supposed dinner.Why would he
not be interested in more money, that Utah will not see for a long time, as they
payoff Boylen, and need to expand RES and build for the Olympic sports? Money
should be something BYU can not keep up with (especially with their new ESPN
deal that has to be split one-way).But the prestige factor is there.
Why not race over to coach at a PAC doormat with regional coverage instead of at
a #10 University with recruits like Demarcus Harrison, (who is coming in because
his parents wanted family and friends to be able to watch every game on TV) and
missionaries in the pipeline.Hey, if Rose wants to go, he should. I
don't think they mentioned him because it's either not an option for Dr. Hill,
or Rose.Seems like there are many who are taking their names out of
being considered.Luckily, Tommy Connor hasn't yet. I hope Dr. Hill
Ya why would Rose want to leave the mighty WCC for the PAC 12? Here's your
reward for taking the coogs to national prominence Dave, go play in the jv
league. The WAC is a better league. Juddy and Rose are both coming. Can't
announce until next week when Rose is finished with big dance duties.
nunya,Congratz, for being in the .0009% club.feel
hey hegie....for your information....I'm a non LDS person that loves BYU. And I
know many of us that attended BYU that aren't members of their church and still
follow them heavily. By the way....that 99.999% you speak of can be said of
Notre Dame too. Oh, by the way. I'm a practicing Catholic.
@ Bluto: I will live in the past. I learned it by watching your
school & athletic dept. write the book on it. But if you want to take the
last 5 years of Cougar basketball and use that a your sample size to claim
program superiority over the U, go right ahead. It just validates the belief by
many Ute fans that Cougar fans have an over-inflated opinion of their team &
program. Hop back on the Utah comment boards when James Fredette leads his Band
of Brothers past the 2nd weekend of the Tourney. Until then, I will look back
with fond memories of Dre, M Doleac, a kid from Toole, UT, an out-of-shape RM in
Al Jensen, and a Fin take down the defending National Champs in the Elite 8.
Keep slurping the blue kool-aid, brother.
belugo,I agree with Mormon Ute. All your posturing has everything
to do with religion and much less to do with sports. The bYu fanbase is the same
for football as it is for firesides.99.999% of tds fans ar LDS. The
chances of gaining non LDS fans by this exporsure dream is almost nil.A very different story for say a Notre Dame. Inwhich sports fans of all
denominations are attracted to the brand. I suggest you stop trying
to connect the dots of between sports and viewership, again tiddlywinks would
have the same draw - no more, no less.
The new Pac-12 logo is awesome. Go Utes!
Golf Hack - that message to Bluto was to you - you are the one that is asking to
be reminded. Please, please, please quit letting your emotions rob you of common
Hey Bluto,Since you are in the mood to be reminded. How many final
4s has BYU ever been to. How many elite 8s? How many bowl games have they won?
How many BCS games have they won? How many BCS games have they been invited to?
How many #1 draft picks in basketball? How many in football? Bluto - you are the
reason that I laugh out loud when I read these message boards. Do you really
think that BYU or Utah is better than the other?!!! C'mn dude - they are the
same gig! They both are mediocre fish in a big pond. I am a red-blooded Ute grad
and fan - but I have a level headed attitude and realistically - nobody believes
that the Y's athletic program is better than the U's and nobody beleives that
the U's is better than the Ys. Quit basing your enjoyment of BYU on the
"inferiority" of the U.
@ Golfhack20 You are forgetting that at Ybu, it's not about winning games in
the big dance, it is about having more fans in the seats. Oh, and having a
better record than Utah for the past few years.Little brother is happy to
just be better than big brother. The rest of the tournament stuff is just
glossed over. (Conveniently)Go Utes.
Bluto,Why do you feel the need to disrespect one of the great
basketball programs in the intermountain west just because some of have our eyes
on your coach? Are you worried we might actually succeed at getting him? You
sure seem to feel the need to lie about the Utes basketball program in order to
make your point. Our program has plenty of respect as evidenced by the seeding
we have had when we have qualified for the Big Dance and the wins we have had in
the Big Dance.Regarding BYU's television deal. The only reason BYU
basketball is on ESPN is because of the WCC deal with ESPN. The national deal
to televise all home games regardless of the oponent's conference affiliation is
for football. I find it funny how so many of you BYU fans have tried to hard to
carry that over to basketball. You also talk as though your team success is
what drives it all when you know darn well it is the affiliation with the church
that brings the fans. 90% of your fans never even went to the school and cheer
for your team simply because they are Mormon.
PHealy: seriously? Judkins? He may have been a true Ute, but has been a
cougar for the past ten years, plus he is coaching the coeds. He may as well
coach tennis or girls soccer. Bring in someone who is currently in the game.
@golfhack20We know, your favorite album is Jethro Tull Living in the
past.Why don't you renmind us of Utah's 15k seat arena drawing
crowds of 2-3 Thousand. Can't count the know shows.Remind us of how
incoherant rants serve any purpose?Remind us as to why any recruit
would go to a school with not only no National TV exposure but no local tv as
well?Remind us how Chris Hill is scrambling to get any tv-local
games next year for utes football or basketball. Scott Pierce column.Remind us how being the doormat of a league, any league, elevates you to elite
status by virtue of your conference affilaition?Nobody fears the
Washington States, Iowa States, Vanderbilts, Rutgers, Baylors etc. of the world.
And yet, every one of these teams have a better basktball program than does the
U.Remind us how having a WCC ESPN TV deal, (Gonzaga 15 times on
National TV this year), is somehow inferior to Utah's predicament.Even with a new TV package, utah will never equal BYU's National exposure.
Recruits will notice and also notice Utah's lack thereof.Enjoy your
"If he wants someone who is already established as a successful head coach
(or even a successful assistant), he will have to wait a bit."fresnogrl,I agree. Dr. Hill will wait until tonight or possibly
Saturday night to announce his new coach.
Re:BlutoRemind me how many total wins BYU has in the big dance again.
Before tonight you have 10. After tonight you will have 11. After your win
tonight you have the same amount Andre Miller had in his 4 year career at Utah.
So just because you are on TV doesn't mean you are better and will do well in
the dance. You don't want to compare programs because all you have is a few
years. In fact I don't think Utah has ever gone 1-26, I should check my facts
but not to concerned about it. Sports fans only relate to what have you done for
me lately. In BYU's case a lot. In UTAH's case nothing. Utah needs a coach
who will stay here and want to stay here a long time. Most important win and
get the best local talent period. Good Luck tonight BYU!!!
Hey....Roger Reid is available Chris. My feeling is Chris Hill's time is over.
He has had his chances to bring in a competent reliable basketball coach and has
failed. He is luck to have the football coach. These rumors of Dave Rose
following Wittingham to Utah is silly. Utah will be a doormat in the PAC-10/12
SportfanaticYour reasoning is logical. But, for that matter, ALL the
good teams are in the tournament. If he wants someone who is already established
as a successful head coach (or even a successful assistant), he will have to
wait a bit. I would have been surprised (and worried) if he had come out already
with a hire.
when you guys say high school....is it kind of like what your gym was like all
year....heck for the past 5 years? Oh i see, wow you guys are really smart.
are you even able to walk and talk at the same time?
Sir Chicken... 'Red' with envy of the WCC teams that made it to the
tournament and the best that can be said that the Cougars will have a lower seed
in the coming years.I'll take that as a compliment considering the
source.I'm looking at the NCAA stories and U ain't in them. I see
Jimmer on the cover of SI and it's not the swimsuit edition.
When will the "little sisters of the poor" (BYU fans) quit crying and
moaning about the Utes elevation/invite t0 the PAC 12? You have chosen to go it
alone as an independent in football and WCC in all other sports live with it. It
is what it is. No matter what you say, you know and everyone else knows it is
small time, little sisterish.
I know....regional....complaining typos
Why would Rose take a step down to coach at Utah?Sure, BYU is going
to the WCC. That's 8 games a year in smaller venues. And that still
leaves 22 games a year at other arenas, all accross this Country. With ESPN actively participating in BYU's scheduling (ESPN owns the rights to
all of BYU's home games) BYU will play a great schedule.It's about
Rankings, RPI, & Natioanl TV Games in College hoops.Not riding
the Coat-Tails of a Conference.Eight of those 16 WCC games will be
played in 22,700 seat Marriott Center.BYU has been a Top-Twenty team
in Attendance for 40 years. Many years Top Ten.This year Top 3. Even with
a post Jimmer drop-off, it will still outdraw Utah by about 3 fold.BYU is a National Program, with a National Fanbase. Not a Reginal one
likeUtah.BYU will be on National TV every game. ESPN or BYU-TV.Utah will not. Not now not ever. Arizona is complinning they
have no exposure TV wise.Utah is not an elite program in the MWC,
they certainly will not be in the PAC-10 little 2.
I too am going to agree with Chris B on this one. I feel that the reason that
it's taking Chris Hill so long, is because BYU is still playing basketball.
Chris Hill knows what a gem BYU has as it's BYU men's head basketball coach, and
he is classy enough to not stir up controversy while the cougars are still in
the tournament. When BYU finally bows out of the tourmanent, only then, will the
public start to hear the Dave Rose rumors. As much as I would love to see Dave
Rose remain at BYU, I fell that just like Kyle Whittingham, Utah will offer Dave
Rose an offer that he cannot refuse. First reason to go; More money. BYU will
not pay their coaches what they are truly worth, because athletics falls to
somewhere between 5th and 6th on their priority list. That is the major reason
why Kyle Whittingham stayed at Utah. We all know, that in todays economy, that
money is a driving factor. Second reason; No honor code to deal with. Third
reason; PAC 12. Much more attractive than the WCC, and easier to recruit.
Fourth; No relocation. Dave goes.
@sammygEnjoy your WCC "ticket to the big dance". Did you
notice that both WCC teams in the tournament this year - even your champion -
got double-digit seeds?And from your quip about Utah
"rebuilding" it's football program, you'd think that Utah went 6-6
instead of 10-2. Come to think of it, somebody around here went 6-6 last year
including a loss to Utah State...can you remind me who it was?
"...and a half full Marriott Center." That's funny.Go ahead and dis the WCC all you want but it certainly looks like to be
a ticket to the big dance while the Utes struggle in the PAC-10.2 rebuilding its
football and basketball men's programs. Without Title 9 and its
great women's programs the Utes would have little to look forward to next
Chris Hill is being classy about this and not bringing up Dave Rose while byu
continues to play. My guess is by this time next Utah will have a new coach in
Dave Rose. The two have already met for lunch about two weeks ago many people
have reported.Rose is a quality coach and worthy of the PAC 12, not
high school west conference.
I know many will think I am crazy and he doomed himself when he went to womens
bball but Jeff Judkins would still be a great fit and do very well. I think he
got run out by Majerus and that is when the program nose dived. I think he
should be looked at seriously. He is a true ute that knows the game.
I, too, am surprised that Dave Rose was not mentioned. Rose has proven himself
to be a great coach and with BYU heading to the WCC to play in high school sized
gyms and a half full Marriott Center, it would certainly be understandable if he
was interested. On the other hand, he may be tarred and feathered by BYU fans if
he does, however, I don't think anybody could blame him given the circumstances.
Cowboy JoeWhat about Jerry Sloan? He already has ties to the state.------------Under Sloan doesn't play rookies a freshman
would have to sit 2-3 years... so not likly.@Slim"Four,
coaches like Rick Majerus are once in a lifetime."Urban Mayer
in football, so its twice in a lifetime.
A couple of thoughts:One, Chris Hill needs to get this one right.
Another bad hire and his ability to get a good coach is questionable. He could
be next.Two, go after established head coaches. I never thought
Steve Alford would leave the Big Ten (Iowa) for the MWC. Hill needs to check
everyone out. Three, forget about assistants. Coaches like Johnny
Dawkins has been average at best at Stanford. Wojo has no recruiting experience
in the West. Just because they played at Duke does not prove a thing. Get
someone with head coaching experience. Four, coaches like Rick
Majerus are once in a lifetime. Maybe now people will begin to realize how good
I feel that Hill is a tremendous AD. He has presided over Utah athletics during
a time of tremendous growth, development and success. Facilities, recruitment,
conference championships, national successes and recognition, and an invite from
a BCS conference...who would have thought this could occur 10 years ago? 5
years ago?One of the challenges is finding the right personnel,
coaches. Hiring is tough. In general Dr. Hill has done a tremendous job.
Unfortunately, the last 2 basketball coaches have not worked out, for whatever
reason. I really hope Utah enjoys a great coach this time. Good luck to all
involved in the search, interviewing, recruiting of the new coach. I am a BYU grad 1992. Grew up in Provo, Y fan true blue through and through.
But it is painful to watch Utah basketball struggle. I enjoy it
when BYU, Utah, and Utah State are all competitive with one another in sports.
It makes it all the sweeter when BYU dominates when all the programs are
Joe - wouldn't that be something, Sloan might be a great college coach - if he
could avoid T's. It's funny Rose's name was not on the list - acording to all
the crazies over on Ute Fan it is almost a done deal. The guys at Ute Fan cant
be wrong all the time but they are making a valiant effort. LOL
What about Jerry Sloan? He already has ties to the state. i heard he is
considering the Wyoming job.