@amgolfer- "Most people use statistics like a drunk uses a light post. Not
for illumination, but for support."You really think AK is a
better shooter than Harris? Here's a few thoughts for you:-Devin
Harris has made 57 three pointers this year, AK has made 34.-AK hasn't
made more than 45 3's in a season since '03-04.-PG's are more likely to
have to force up a three as the shot clock is ticking down. AK has
definitely improved his shot in this year. I don't cringe like I used to, but
Harris is still the better shooter.My Elson example is an example of
how Harris doesn't know how to use his teammates yet. With time, he'll improve.
"CJ CJ CJ CJ" - Your beloved CJ is Not the answer - and AGAIN I NEVER
SAID BELL WAS EITHER (read my post). Sure he (CJ) is a starter on a bad team -
like ours; or a guy that gets minutes. He has one or two good game then he
thinks he's the man and can shoot at will and he BAD shot selection. Teams that
that have a chance of winnig rings are NOT counting on their "CJs".
Put with on any strong playoff team - Celtics, Bulls, Heat, Magic, Spurs, Mavs,
Thunder Lakers - and he's 15 min game guy and NOT the difference maker. Sure injuries have been a big a problem,but even with this team health they
would Not be contenders of a title. The Jazz lack great players, great
denfenders; well lets just use the word talent. Next year they have a chance to
change and improve with money to spend and good draft picks. But again CJ isn't
the major factor is the team being able to win. Harris, Jefferson & Milsap
come to mind long before CJ
@Bugoffim not sold with Ante Tomic as well...he is by leaps and
bounds better than Fes on the offensive end...but on D...he will just stand
there and raise his hands up...and that's just about it...@CJ
Miles...havent you forgotten CJ started a few games back...that sparked a
0-4 record for the Jazz under corbin...i'd trade CJ for Tony Allen...but...i
will give props to CJ this past few games...attacking the basket...which...he
should have been doing all this time...im still not sold on him...i think he'll
be a good trade chip...there's a lot of teams loaded with 2 guards...take the
bucks for example...i wonder if Jevale Mcgee is available...swing for Mcgee and
Steve Steve Steve......CJ is the answer. When he starts and plays his minutes,
the Jazz win games. CJ can do things on the court that Bell can only do in his
dreams. There is not a player on the team that can go to the basket the way CJ
goes to the basket. Nor stretch the court the way CJ stretches the court. The big issue is CJ has played out of position for the past 5 years. He
should be playing shooting guard just like Kobe does for the Lakers. Once Jerry
Jr. figures it out, the Jazz will be a much better team. CJ can dominate at the
2 in the NBA. Wake up Corbin!!
@ JFFR--he can't just shoot as he may not trust his fellow players b/c Harris is
not any better than AK at the long ball. Look up the stats as AK is 37% and DH
is 31% from 3-pt range. AK's overall FG% is better as well. You
brought up a pick-n-roll with Elson?? The guy needs to go and I hardly would
classify him a good pick-n-roll player. Not a good example. We will
see how the Devon Harris thing pans out long term. I'm just not convinced in his
skills. I had a few friends watch him closely at the game last night and they
weren't either. I mean if Kyle Korver can dish out 6 assists (a shooter I might
add) so can Devon Harris in an unfamiliar offense. I like Harris but
no sold yet. I am probably expecting too much losing DWill--a phenomenal
passer/playmaker. Can't forget ole Stockton as well:) Go jazz.
Hey Steve Jensen--pretty sure NO one has said CJ is the solution. No one person
is the solution my friend. This is a TEAM sport. Focus on the team and what we
need to do to get better. If you think CJ would be better off packing say so but
don't assume we all think he is the solution to the Jazz's woes. He is merely
one piece if he stays aboard. We all know he needs to give a better effort every
game; more consistency and hard work is all were asking for. Go Jazz.
I liked Miles at the 2 guard...I think Kirilenko has the talent, when he wants
to....Seems like Jefferson is their leader. He is sure playing great..Big Al
deserves praise...He has alot more moves than Boozer. I believe we have a
better player in Big Al.
How come no one is talking about how awful Watson was down the stretch? He
could barely bring the ball up the court. He definitely couldn't get into the
lane. All season long it has driven me crazy how he picks up his
dribble without knowing what he is going to do with the ball. He almost cost
the Jazz the game.
CJMiles: I still love CJ's potential and I will always hope he plays well and
learns and develops into the player I think he can be. If he does that would be
great for the Jazz. But I've learned he is so inconsistent that I can't count on
it and I'm trying not to have my expectation high, he more often than not
disappoints. That being said, with the current roster, CJ is the best player we
have to develop into a go to player. Some would say you need that quality
instinctively but it can also be developed and in the case of this team either
CJ or Hayward need to develop into the go to player for this team.When CJ
plays well this team usually wins, he is much better than the haters want to
give him credit for. He does need to get in better shape though, you can't reach
your potential if you can't give it your all because your gassed and that is
part of CJ' problem. Corbin saw it last night and put CJ on the bench, which was
the right thing to do.
I really don't think this team can win enough games to make the playoffs, but I
do believe they need to play to win. That being said, play the young players,
the players of the future and let them get experience. That doesn't mean your
not trying to win, your just doing it with Favors, Hayward, Evans, CJ, AJ, etc.
I wouldn't take Jimmer with our 6th or 7th pick, but I would take him with
our 12th or 13th pick. I would take him over Walker. Defense is the biggest
question mark in regards to Jimmer, I think he will be OK. I think the
idea of bring in Kruger for a 10 day contract wouldn't be that bad of an idea, I
don't think Corbin is thinking of that as a possibility though. I don't like the
idea of Kruger for more than 1 or 2 ten day contracts but short term, he could
be OK.Wouldn't it be nice if the Jazz could get into the top 3, hope the
ping pong balls bounce in our favor. NJ keeps winning, not good.
@ Steve,you are 100% correct,most of cj`s points are either very early in the
game,or in garbage time,he very very rarely will score points when the game is
on the line,I`ll give him credit on that last layup,but that was a rarity.HE IS
out of shape.Period,and Corbin knows it.Miles,why don`t you call tour boy and
tell him to put the video games down and start working out,golfboy,I don`t read
your stuff,oh and PLEASE Jazz don`t pick up the option on miles,please
Im not going to say that tanking towards the end of the season to get a better
pick never pays off. I will say that it would be incredibly unlikely to pay off
for the Jazz, especially with this years draft. If the Jazz have any shot at the
playoffs they should take it for a few reasons1. It would give fans
something to get excited about. This team has nowhere to go but up and if they
can make the playoffs in virtually their first year together it would change the
feel around this franchise.2. The additional revenue. The only way I
can see this team leaving Utah is if it becomes unprofitable to the Miller
family, playoffs would definitely help.3. There is always the chance
for a fairy tale ending, no matter how remote.4. This draft class is
pretty weak. The reason I said that tanking sometimes works is because Chicago
did that a few years ago, they got lucky and won the lottery and ended up with
Derrick Rose. I dont think there is anyone that good in this class and if there
is I really doubt the jazz will get him
Last night was the first night in a long time we actually outrebounded our
opponent.Last night was also the first night in some time we had a
better shooting percentage than our opponent.Are we progressing, or
was this an anomoly?
Would love to see a really good defensive coach added to the staff for next
@ 'Jazz Nation' -Did I ever said Bell was the answer? NO! He's offense is even
worse than Miles with only a little better D. The fact is the Jazz don't have
good shooters to spread the floor to make life easier on the forwards. The Jazz
should have kept either Korver or Matthews.Play to win? These guys can't
win when they try. Making the playoffs at a 8th or 7th seat and then being out
in the first round isn't a Prize and doesn't mean anything. Yes, they will be
better next year, buta higher draft picks is a better option in the long run.
When the Spurs were outside of the playoffs they tanked it - got Duncan and the
rest is history for them. Are players taken in the lottery a for sure thing? No.
But i'd rather have a draft pick (the Jazz's) at 9-12 than 15-18 than being a
8th seat and making a first round exit.
Kemba??No way. Jimmer over Kemba any day of the week. At least for
the Jazz. We need shooting more than anything and Jimmer could light it up as
the 6th man like Terry for the Mavs or Crawford for the Hawks. I totally support
taking him with our pick if we don't make the playoffs.With the Nets
pick the Jazz need to go after solid SG/SF. Harrison Barnes would be awesome but
it looks like his draft stock is rising and he'll be gone by the time the 6th
pick comes around. Who knows maybe we will get lucky and win the lottery! That
would be sweet.
@amgolfer- Maybe Harris isn't getting a lot of assists because he doesn't
know/can't trust his teammates yet. I can't remember which game it was, but it
was in the final two minutes and he ran the pick and roll with Elson twice and
Elson failed to roll. Face it, the team hasn't been shooting well.
I'd much rather have him take a three then pass it off to an open Kirilenko for
a three. With more time, his assists are gonna go up. But he just
got thrown into this offense with this team. He may know the offense on paper,
but it takes time to figure it out completely.
I see Kevin Kruger scored 31 last night and was 6 - 10 from three land. Kevin's
knock is he is too slow to guard in the NBA but the Jazz don't play defense so
he will fit right in.......If Harris is down, might be a good idea
to sign Kevin to a 10 day contract. He is a great passer in the open court and
would make life easy for CJ and AK to score.
Captain..... The funny thing is when Corbin pulled CJ in the 4th quarter the
Jazz had a 7 point lead with 6 minutes to go in the game. The Jazz then lost
the lead and Corbin had to insert CJ into the game to save the day.Once again, when CJ starts for Bell, The Jazz win and CJ comes up big. When
will I stop being the only one who sees this. Doesn't Corbin have at his
disposal zillions of stats and film? Wake up Ty.And speaking of
waking up, AK the game is longer than 10 minutes.TJ......The
Williams trade has a horrible trade as they lost their best player and one of
the best players in the league. They will never replace Dwill and his
importance to the team under the Jerry and Jerry Jr. system. He will only not
be missed if the Jazz bring in a new coach with a new system. As long as they
run Jerry's system without Dwill, this team will loose most nights.
@ the moment I suspect the Jazz will not make the playoffs. That does not bother
me a whole lot as long as the team consistently works on it's current problems
and makes some progress. I think the extra pick may be worth more than the
playoffs.Jimmer would be okay as a back up PG and 3 point
specialist. His role at BYU is vastly different than what his role will be in
the NBA. Most boards have Jimmer going to the Suns and he fits their playing
style better than the Jazz who run a lot of half court sets. Jimmer could get
good at setting picks, improve his D and actually learn to run the PG position,
however it would take time. The biggest need for the Jazz is a good
SG who can shoot/defend. If AK stays he and Hayward/CJ/Evans have the SF
covered. With Favors the Jazz can run twin towers. Add 2 wings who can shoot and
you are set.I am not sold on Tomic. A Fes type defensive C with
better offensive skill would be helpful. The Jazz will need to
upgrade the back up PG.
STEVE, if you think Bell is better then CJ, you are the one that is nuts. The
numbers don't lie, when CJ starts he is dominant. As for people saying that the
Jazz should not make the Playoffs because we could draft higher, that is just
terrible logic. You play the game to win, the experience is needed for not only
the players and rookies but for the rookie coaching staff too. I would rather
have these guys get a taste of what post-season play is like any day. The
Minnesota protected lotto pick is interesting, the Jazz have to give a first
round pick to the T-Wolves by 2014 draft. The Jazz don't have to give it this
year. No matter what happens the Jazz will still have two first round picks and
Price,Watson,Fesenko,Elson,AK, are expiring contracts and the Team has an Option
for signing Miles for the final year at 4 million and Memo will be owed 10 Mill.
and could be bought out or traded. This team will look different this time next
year, regardless of what the outcome of this year brings. I say FIGHT HARD!
It sure seemed like the Jazz were trying to lose last night. It was great to see
the fight and desire there at the end of the game from the Jazz. I still think
the Williams trade was fantastic and I believe the Jazz will be a very good team
next year. They are going to need to get healthy quick if they want to get to
the playoffs this year.
Anyone that thinks CJ is the answer is Nuts! His D is terrible! He has one good
game out of about 5-6 were he shoots a good percentage - then thinks he's
superman and start shooting al the time. Scoring 15-20 points isn't hard on a
bad team full of injuries when your the one that shoots all of the time. CJ is
NOT the solution!The fact is the Jazz don't play Defense, are bad at
the 3 Point line, and foul a lot.
Initially, I was dreading having tickets to the game last night. However, what a
great game for the fans that actually showed up. Harris, needs some work on his
passing skills, especially in pick and roll situations. He's used to taking it
to the hole instead of setting up his man from time to time. The spacing/timing
isn't very good either for the pass. How about a trip to the great Northwest to
visit Stockton in the off season? That said, I'd like to see Favors spend some
time with Malone learning some veteran tricks as well as getting some
weightlifting tips. You all say Jimmer, I say Kemba Walker, better
D, quickness and clutch plays in a real league. Playoffs? maybe the Nets, the
Jazz aren't catching Memphis!
Harpring said he thinks Jimmer will struggle to defend point guards in the NBA.
I think that's true but the point guards he mentioned by name nobody can guard
one on one anyway. It will be interesting to see how Jimmer plays at the next
level when he will also be surrounded by other good players that can score and
they won't be able to tripple team him like they do now because that will leave
other players open. I think he will be ok and I wouldn't mind seeing the Jazz
pick him up if available
Jazz will be ok if they can get CJ to be the second scorer, harris should be the
third scoring option, need to work on getting those guys points, even though i'm
not sold on cj's effort, he's got to have a green light, trade him later on for
another volume scorer down the road that will give all his effort, monta and big
al anyone? Right now, cj needs to score about twenty a game, cj haters just
need to accept that is the state. He is not one of corbins guys so we'll see if
corbin keeps him around, but it's not corbins fault he has to work with guys
that sloan coddled.I like the starting lineup, just keep favors in there,
along with cj, there's no reason the jazz can't sneak into the playoffs, the way
big al is playing he is pretty solid I think the jazz can bank on his
production. To either the lack of conditioning or concentration, maybe
chemistry, that made the fourth quarter lead dissapear, it would've been their
most complete game of the year if they held onto the lead.
Jimmer does take some bad shots but I would hardly say "bad shot
selection." The Y isn't deep with a lot of options. I don't think he will
be a NBA STAR but he is a shooter and can create his own shot. We need that
desperately. No one on the Jazz could come close to shooting his %, no one. He
will grow in the NBA and soon find out it is not the NCAA. Give him a chance.
I'm not saying he's a lottery pick b/c he's not but many believe he is. Ball
hog? Who else is going to give the cougars consistent shooting night in and
night out? They wouldn't be anywhere close to where they are now if it were not
for JF. Come on. He has a "decent supporting cast" in Emory, Hartsock
and Abouo-they have NO bench. Emory is a stud on D and can light it up from
beyond but he can also be off. Jimmer could solve some of our shooting woes in
a heartbeat and spread the offense. Have to respect his shot as he is a threat
at all times.
Coach Corbin has a chance to finish the season with a playoff spot, but if the
Jazz fight their way to the playoffs it will be a statement on team heart and
not team talent and skill.It would be nice if there were a few extra role
players sitting on the bench.Such is life.....team spirit and focus will
tell the story, but I fear that the Jazz have too few weapons to go anywhere in
the playoffs and that may be the death nail for this season.I hope that
the players on this team realize that few of them have a guaranteed position for
next season on this or any other team. If they quit on the team (and themselves)
perhaps there will be a place for them in Italy or Greece.
@Daveman- No thank you to the "Jimmer sweepstakes" not to hate on
Jimmer but he is a ball hog, with a bad shot selection. Jimmer is a fine
player, but will not be a star in the NBA. And yes, they should make the
playoffs, whether they will win or not, it is better to get playoff experience
with their core guys, then pick a few slots higher. Favors, Jefferson and
Millsap are the core of this team, Harris may be in the future plans too, and
Jeremy Evans is a nice piece too. These guys need to be as battle tested as
possbile going forward, so that when this ship is turned in the right direction,
they know how to play in playoff games. I am liking Favors more and more, and
hope in the offseason he can work more and more on his post game. If he has
strong work ethic, he will be a beast. I see what you are saying though, a
high pick would be nice.
@amgolfer I suspect Harris would dish more if he knew the team and individual
tendencies better. Give him the rest of this year and part of next year and I
think you will see a lot more assists. He is very capable of assists but he
really does not know how to maximize the play of the team yet. That is
especially true with all of the roster changes due to injury. However, for the most part the offense ran pretty well tonight. It may not be
fair to compare him to DWill, who can shoot well and also is uncanny in
finding/creating open players.PHI turned up their D in the 4th and
the Jazz bogged down. Part of that was due to the Jazz having a very short
bench. It was nice to win.Give some credit to Bell and
AK for playing hurt. If they heal up it will really help. Getting
Hayward/Millsap back would also help a lot.I really appreciated
Favors/Evans tonight. They played well.
Nice win. But seriously, do the Jazz want to make the playoffs...despite the lip
service given by players and coaches alike? No, they do not. Why? The Minnesota
pick involved in the Jefferson trade is lottery protected this year. If the Jazz
miss out on the post season they lose two games revenue max. Either the number
one or two seed would whip them in five games max anyway. Having roughly the 6th
and 12th picks gives them the opportunity to get two nice lottery players
(Jimmer sweepstakes anyone)or perhaps package a deal and get an elite player in
the 1-3 range. Add a free agent wing player who can shoot, re-sign Andre and a
few back-ups at reasonable rates, get Memo healthy and bring over Ante Tomic
from Europe and you are right back in the western conference mix for the next
few seasons and thereafter. I have them going 5-9 at best over the final 14
games. Check the schedule for yourself.
If Corbin has been instructed to get into the lottery, then he deserves a raise.
The last three wins have been gifts from the opposing team.What does
Fesenko have to do to get playing time? Jefferson actually passed
out of the post at least twice in the first half but none in the second. Tonight was as poor a job of personnel management as I ever want to see.
Turned a walk over into overtime and probably put Harris out of action for the
@Josemb--You said it buddy. Humphries has developed into a solid NBA player-at
he is only 26. Dang, he was a Jazzman at one time:( I would take his numbers any
day of the week. Amazing. I mean look at his stats over the past 5 days--crazy
scary. DWill is just doing his thing; he looked dang solid tonight and
comfortable. I will have to turn the station when the highlights come on--can't
stand it. KG said NJ is a different team and a lot better. This is my point we
need that leadership; someone who can take over. Like I said this game tonight
against the Sixers was not great but good in a few aspects. I will give Corbin
mad mad mad props for starting this new lineup. We needed a shake up, no doubt.
Bell need to come of the bench for the rest of the year, no questions asked.
Harris has game but is no.......I will rest it. Go Jazz
@Bugoff--Harris needs to play point better. I like the penetrating (at times)
and finishes but we need him to be more like DWill and Stockton, if capable. I
know he is not in those two guys league but he has to create and dish out more
assists per game. I will ride him until he does just that. I rather have him
have 12-14 pts (typical Stock numbers--career avg 13.1, I believe) and 8-10
assists per game. A double/double would be fabulous, but I will take 8-9 right
now. He was averaging 7 in NJ....no excuses. He is quick and shouldn't settle..
Depending on the severity of his hamstring he could be out for a while. You are
right, that can be a tough depending on the grade of the strain and I hope not
a tear. We are banged up and we will see the true character of this team. Need
to play D ALL 4 quarters. I like CJ, AK and Favors tonight. They were not
perfect by any means but played hard--I like that. AJ was great as well.
I have been saying for a long time that CJ is better suited to play the 2 and he
needs to start. CJ had a pretty good game and made a big shot to tie the game
but he needs to get in better shape, Corbin had him on the bench going down the
wire because he couldn't put forth the necessary effort. I still want CJ to
start and continue to develop, hopefully he realizes things have changed and he
needs to get in better shape, this team needs him to produce if they want to
win.Defense in the 4th quarter was back to being terrible, no one was
moving, hustling, or fighting to get stops. CJ is not the only one struggling in
the 4th quarter but Corbin saw CJ was unable to get his behind moving and
benched him, which I thought was the right thing to do, even though the Jazz
need what CJ can do/bring to the game.
geez. the Nets beat the celtics for their 5th straight. the jazz had to scramble
to beat philly in overtime after leading by double digits in the 4th. i'm a jazz
fan and i love my jazz but this team just doesn't cut it. the more the nets win
the lower we pick on the draft. williams must be laughing his butt off right
now. lol and can you believe that kris humpries? 16 points 15 rebounds. wow.
that kind of rebounding we badly need.
I too liked the starting five tonight. Started out with a lot of energy--much
needed. This Sixers team is good and has talent. Good win, not a great win, but
I will take good right now. The 4th was hideous all around. Poor D and
execution. Looks like Harris is down; hope for not long. CJ had a nice driving
"hang time" lay up/shot which was nice. I still worry at the end of
the game b/c we don't really have a great closer. Harris and AJ-maybe (but iffy)
and this leaves CJ. This is were I miss DWill as he could make the big shot like
he did tonight in NJ. The guy is a stud at what he does, not doubt. Sorry, just
making a point. We need to fix that. Nevertheless, I like AJ, Favors, AK, CJ and
Harris. Harris please work on getting more assists. We don't need you to score
big points (even though you had some beautiful finishes tonight). Create, create
and create. You can penetrate and take guys off the dribble. I want 8-10 assists
per game; we need it. Go Jazz..
It is clear this team has not quit. However, it is missing a lot of talent which
is sitting in suits or even limping on court. The Jazz are starting
to adjust to both Harris and Favors. Harris may not be able to go effectively. A
hamstring is not trivial. Both Bell and AK are less than healthy. The Jazz may
need to bring up a 10 back up PG just to practice.
No excuse for giving up a 21 point lead. I was noticing how doughy
the Jazz look today in comparison to Philly. CJ looks like a baby with the neck
of the Michelon tire man. Big Al has been dynamite, but his strength
conditioning needs a ton of work. Jazz need to get in NBA shape. I
know they don't want to sacrifice speed for strength, but look at Kobe, James,
Howard, Stockton, or Malone...these are all guys who work/ed hard on their
conditioning and hardly miss/ed a game. Milsap is the only Jazz man I'm happy
with as far as conditioning but even he's not quite there.
A much better starting five - more balance I hope Ty keeps this starting
line up for the rest of the seasonCJ is much better suited to the 2
spotTy nearly lost this one due to roations but he might have been
hamstrung with injuries againGood win in the end - but 13 up at 3/4
should not have been got this close.
CJ should start at SG 19/8. AJ is carrying the team but he can't do it alone
30/17. Harris played well but has a hamstring problem now 19/4 assists. AK is
not 100% but came thru in clutch time big time. He and CJ are the go to
alternatives to AJ at the end of games. Favors/Evans produced 19/12
so the Jazz are getting the production out of the PF position. The
Jazz played pretty good defense most of the time but in the middle of the 4th
they stood around on both offense and defense. NO leadership. The
Jazz had 26 assists. That means the offense was working for the most part: AJ 6,
AK 6, Watson and Harris 4, Favors 2. AJ and AK took over late and CJ
came thru big. Injury to Harris means Hayward/CJ may have to play back PG. The
Jazz need a shooting PG for most of the game. There is much to be
encouraged about. However, the Jazz still tend to lapse on D and stagnate on
offense. They can not just go to Jefferson and force him to go 3/4 on 1.