I know that I've been a bit down on the Jazz, but going through this adversity
can make them better players in the future. Also they're only 2 games behind the
8th spot, they can still do it. We believe in you!
the jazz have not quit could fooled me
If it plays like a quitter, shoots like a quitter, defends and rebounds like a
quitter, even losing like a quitter then By Jimmeny it's a quitter. It's a
little bit tough to get together when the bench and on court talent has been
ripped right out of the Jazz, but that's getting O'Conner-ed for ya. This would
be a super time to dump the name that clearly in opposition to reality. Since
we're starting from the bottom anyway, trade the 'Jazz" to New Orleans for
the "Hornets" (if that isn't an Utah name, you don't know Deseret
son). If some are opposed to the Mormon pioneers beehive deal*, we do a
three-way, Utah sends Jazz to NO, NO sends Hornets to Charlotte, Charlotte sends
Bobcats to Utah, easy and we have Utah ties to Bobcats.I checked with the
league office and Dave (Stern) said it was brilliant, he's all for it.*As in let's forget the Pioneers, from way back 160 years ago, but hang onto
Polygamy from way back, 120 years ago to needle the faithful.
Of course they've quit. Look at all the "injuries" that keep multiple
players from playing. Colds. Turf toes. Sore backs. Diarrhea. Other than
Milsap and Jefferson, they're looking for reasons not to play.
I am not looking at it from a negative standpoint, just simply stating the
Minnesota effort was unaccpetable. And yeah, it is a game, I will agree, but if
I am going to watch a team and even spend money on going to a game, I at least
want to see a solid effort you know what I mean? I am with you though, I thnk
the team will get better and I just think the Jazz are still recovering from so
much change. Defense, and intensity need to be a motto of this team though, too
many uncontested 3 pointers and scrub players having their career night against
Wow! Lots of negative comments.I guess I'm just a glass half-full
sort guy ... well maybe in this case it's 1/4 full. In any event, I see a lot of
reasons for next season's team to be much improved. I also believe we attract
what we put out. Spew negativity and it's what you get back.I may be
accused of seeing the Jazz through thick "rose colored" glasses but
better that than having a "dark cloud of doom" following me around.
Besides folks basketball is just a game. When the Jazz lose that doesn't make
any of us losers ... just unhappy fans.
Jazz were never as good as that 27-13 mirage, which was mainly due to
unsustainable, heroic efforts by DW & Sap, as well as great bench play that
was destroyed when Memo was idiotically rushed back far to soon. With all the
changes, and now Sap's injury...The defense & perimeter play
atrocious on all levels, Raja (bless him) is done, time to give the kids some
quality minutes and see what they have. Insane to play Al 44:44 in a blowout
loss. What good is losing 4 straight by 20+ to the Spurs going to do, even if
they do miracuously catch fire and sneak in?But with the remaining
schedule, nobody needs to worry about that.
I am reserving judgement until next year. I still think the Deron Williams trade
was brilliant with a great deal of up-side. Raja has not paid off, Okur
situation is dissapointing and the other injuries have been killers. AK gone
next year and hopefully they can buy out Raja's contract. Also, we don't need
price anymore. I like the rest of the roster and think they could put together
another trade to go along with the draft this summer. We have young, talented
players and can get more. Let them play and they could be very good in a year or
I am not sure I can say the Jazz have quit, but I do not think they play hard
all the time either. Why can a team like Minnesota shoot 60%? Not to mention
put up over 60 points in each half? That comes down to not playing hard. If the
Jazz played motivated and hard, they would be doing better. Teams continue to
light them up from down town, and they cannot defend the pick and roll. I think
Bell and Elson should play very sparingly as they are not in team's long term
plans, but yet Bell is a good mentor so he is an asset to the team. I think the
Jazz really lack heart right now and to be fair, maybe it is not heart as much
as it is grit, I mean given the 180 they have done from the start of the year,
maybe it is just too much to take in right now and they will be more accustomed
to the situation by next year. Go Jazz!
It's like watching a life long friend die slowly of cancer. Chemotherapy is the
only way to stop cancer. The team has to be analyzed to see how chemo would
work. AJ and AK appear to have heart. I don't see any other quotes from any
other players. They are both playing hard with noticeable shortcomings since
when the turmoil broke out. That can be fixed. The heart of the other players
cannot be fixed. You have several young players who can be developed. Favors
would appear to be a future superstar. The answer for him would be for Karl
Malone to offer him special coaching which would include character development
101 for a 19 year old. The pieces are there. Come on Corbin! Put it together!
Your nuts C.J., your boy for one is not signed for nexr year, A.K. isn't,
neither is Price, Elson, and Fesenko, what are you talking about let all of them
go and Corbin will be fine. A few trades maybe using draft picks and we are in
business, quit the coach's fault bull!
Stop the playoff talk. This team will be lucky to win 3 more games the rest of
the year. They are not going to the playoffs. Corbin has made sure of that.This team couldn't be any worse. Time for a coaching change. All the
players are under contract, so you can't fire them. Best to fire the coach at
rvalens2, NBA teams settle into a set 8 player rotation as they get closer to
the playoffs. This is to ensure the best players are in the best position to win
as the postseason begins. Your suggestion would throw all that out the window,
allowing less talented players to finish out the season, hoping they get the
team into the playoffs, only to be benched for the "healed" starters,
who would be out of playing shape and out of practice. Players who sit on the
bench for two or three weeks would not even begin to successfully compete in the
ramped up playing level of the NBA playoffs. Corbin has a special challenge in
this regard. The team he wants to use cannot play together, and what he has
left is not NBA playoff caliber players.
Glad to hear they haven't quit. As a fan, I have.Nice work KOC.
I don't think the Jazz have quit. Maybe some players have given up, especially
if they know they are not going to be a part of this team next year. Players
know, agents already know, the writing is on the wall for a couple of guys, so
that player will "Ball hog", and try and pad his stats. Why do you
think this team is not sharing the ball? If I was a player and I knew that I was
auditioning for another NBA team, then I would be helping my team win games.
Hopefully the right guys get the right minutes down the stretch. If AK and Bell
are going to get a bulk of minutes, they better start making some jump shots,
because I for one would rather watch the rookies play and learn the game, rather
than watch AK jack up jumpers and Bell always getting split by defender and
always a step slower than whoever he is guarding that night.Keep fighting,
don't quit! GO JAZZ!
The team hasnt quit, the coaching is solid. The team just doesnt have the
talent. I blame all of this on KOC. How or why? Because if KOC had informed
Sloan of his plan to trade Williams, Sloan might have stayed. Now the team is
terrible, the coach is trying to learn on the fly and some of the players seem
disinterested... I did lose a great amount of respect for Sloan due to his
quitting.. I am still shocked that he quit on the team.
The Jazz have lost 20 of 27 games (7-27), including going 3-10 since Jerry Sloan
abruptly resigned and 3-7 since team leader and star Deron Williams. Things were actually worse before Sloan retired (4-17). In spite of trying to
add 2 new players and also losing DWill the Jazz are better since he left (3-7
vs 4-20). These figures do not adjust for strength of schedule. The
erratic lethargic play has periodically been evident for the last 2 months. In
most games the 1Q was a disaster. That seemed to get fixed by Corbin to some
extent. Further, AJ is playing much better and that is a Corbin adjustment that
gets him the ball much closer to the rim. The Millsap injury is a
major hit and allows teams to focus on AJ and force the guards to shoot.The D has been bad for months. That needs adjustment. At the first of
the year the D was pretty good. Without Millsap/AK the interior D will be
weaker/disorganized. Evans/Favors will not know the when to switch. Some of the problems right now stem from rookies/new players learning complex
Favors needs alot of playing time, get him in there and make him the focus of
the offense and give him experience so he can see the things he needs to work on
this summer.Hayward has shown signs of coming around but he needs to be
told to be aggressive and attack and shoot more, if he does he will get a feel
for what he needs to do to be more productive.I love Evans athleticism but
he is so light, he gets pushed around like crazy, he needs to shoot from 15 to
18 ft and make that something the defense needs to fear and that might open
things up for drives to the hole.If CJ is going to be a part of this teams
future he needs to take more of a leadership role and be more responsible for
how things go on the court. He needs to show he can be someone they can count
on. Probably won't happen but he needs to see that that is something he needs to
assert himself at.
The reason this team is so horrendous the past 3 or 3 months is because they
have quit playing team ball. When they were passing to whoever was open and
moving the ball they were successful, now they are letting 1 or 2 players get
the ball and the rest are standing and watching. It started when D-Will &
Big Al started playing 2 man ball in the pick & roll. Now it's big Al
getting the ball and instead of passing out of a double team he holds the ball
manuvering trying to get his shot off instead of passing right out of the double
team when it comes. Start passing the ball and moving guys. On defense stay out
on your man even when penetration comes, let the big guys inside slide over and
you switch to their man if you get beat. Quit sucking towards the key when
penetration happens. Big Al start passing out of the double team and move the
ball to the open man. Ball movement has stopped. Just casting up shots is not
team basketball. Take it to the hole if stopped pass out and "move"
Let's be a little more specific. I think the Jazz are really weak regarding
talent. Some of the players have quit and it shows by their failing to play and
give it their all on a consistant basis. Equally important, Greg and KOC need
to be evaluated. By their actions in dismantling a good team really shows they
are the ones who have quit.
Sounds to me like it is the fans who have quit. Come on guys, we have had to be
patient before and been rewarded with good results.
AK: I don't think lack of effort is the problem...I shoot the ball every time I
touch it. It doesn't matter if I'm not even open or way beyond my range I just
let it fly. So yeah, I'm giving 110% effort.
As I look at the Jazz and their decline there is one thing that stands out to
me. Early in the season the ball was moving on offense, with
"everyone" invlolved. Since that time it started to turn south when
D-Will and big Al began to turn it into a 2 man game, leaving out other players
unless the 1st & 2nd option broke down. Now what we have is big Al has
become a black hole, never passing even out of a double team. That selfish play
causes the other players to start taking shots just to get a few and bingo the
team cohesion and moving the ball to the open man is lost. On defense we are not
guarding our assigned man or area, instead we are always sucking into the middle
of the key when anyone penetrates leaving wide open players on the perimeter
beyond the 3 point line and inside without a defender within 5-8 feet of them.
Of course they will be open, just stay attached more to your man and leave the
penetration up to the inside big men for help, but stay out on your men!
Quit? Maybe. Or maybe low basketball IQ (read not very smart). Takes more
than effort and physical talent to win at that level. Years ago, Sloan used to
say that when he called a time-out, only one person listened in the
I don`t think they`ve all quit,but it`s hard when even one player slacks on
defense,it`s easy for the others to start slacking also,I agree,time to give the
rooks/youngins some major minutes,will help them and the team down the
road,rooting for Philly...
Jazz might as well tank the rest of the season and get a better draft pick, they
are going to get out of the first round even if they make the playoffs. With a
Jazz, New Jersey's & Golden St. draft picks they could pick up a really good
player or two. Plus AK's large contract is coming off the books (& Memo's
next year)- they could sign a top free agent.
Let's not kid ourselves.... they've quit. They are no fun to watch, and I am so
glad that baseball season is about to begin!
rvalens2:I do not think anyone would be afraid of Ronnie Price injured or
not.I am not sure that physical healing is what is needed on the
Jazz. If I was Millsap I wouldnot have a healthy knee for a couple more months.
Who wants to play with that group of guys who hang their heads and give up...in
the first quarter?The Jazz fans have been spoiled but we would still
like to see some hustle and fight in the group. The Jazz resemble cooked
spaghetti now with very little backbone and nobody responsible for the mess.
The stats at the end are telling. In the last 27 games, five teams have played
worse than the Jazz. 27 games are really more than enough time to evaluate this
team. There are currently five teams worse than the Jazz right now. Let's work
to get that number to six or seven teams before the end of the season. Next
season, let's hope that we can put 10 or maybe 12 teams in the rear view mirror.
This is rebuilding. This is post Sloan, Boozer and Williams--and it's going to
be tough. Go Jazz!
Well they may say they have not quit but they do not look hungry enough to win.
Even back when the Jazz used to loose with Jerry they at least had to play all
48 min. I would enjoy watching the Jazz if it looked like they just wanted to
play even if they got beat. It seems like when things don't go there way they
just give up too easy.
37-17 in the first quarter... if that isn't quitting, i don't know what is.
The Jazz players haven't quit. They just have a lot of problems that need to be
overcome. Unfortunately, overcoming all them is not going to happen this
year.I think the best decision the Jazz could make is to allow the
injured players to completely heal and play the young/new guys as much as
possible. If that combination works to get them in the playoffs great! If they
don't make the NBA playoffs at least Favors, Harris, Hayward, Cousin and Evans
will be getting valuable experience for next season.Imagine how
dangerous the Jazz might be if they make the playoffs and get Millsap, Okur,
Kirilenko and Price back playing again but at full speed, with backup players
who by then would have more than 15 games experience?