"Dr". is reserved for MD's.Bill Cosby never refers to
himself as "Dr". He doesn't need the narcisistic ego boost.He is indeed a PhD , as is Chris Hill.Again, Utah fans with a
false sense of superiority.
Hey Chris HillThe BCS applies to Football not Basketball! YOur first
mistake.In college hoops, it's about RPI, National TV, National
Polls.If you think your problems are cured by virtue of Coat-tailing
through Conference affiliation, then you're in for a rude awakening.NObody considers Utah a major player in basketball today. Gonzaga,
St. Mary's, BYU, UNLV, San Diego State, New Mexico, are programs Coaches &
Players would not leave for Utah.Empty Arena, No consistent National
TV, mounting debt, being only 3rd or 4th best program in your State, will do
that.Empty promises, and a false sense of prestige, has brought
Chris Hill to where Utah is just a bad job anymore.U is entering the
Land of Obscurity, because nobody will be watching U, Nationally or
otherwise.U will never have the exposure of BYU, all games National,
Own Network, ESPN Contract....One half of all teams in the so called
Big-6 conferencs are window dressing.Bottomfeeders, Utah is in this
group.The U lost the local recruits, especially the LDS kids, when
Judkins was made to sit in the stands as an assistant coach, and then run off
Just for Hedgie...watch the WCC in just the next couple of years as it's raised
and built up just like the MWC was and the WAC before it... especially post
Arizona and Arizona State, who left the WAC and settled in almost near obscurity
as no's. 9 and 10 in the PAC. 11 and 12 have a wakeup call that they're going
to have a hard time with when it soon hits tem in the face this fall. Good luck
Hedgie...reality's just around the corner.
One problem you find with Few at Gonzaga. One of his Asst's is Ray G. He knows
the area well but do we want him here again? Boylen did good things out selling
the program,increasing the student section etc. You still need to win. What
about Billy Gilespie? The guy who coached at Kentucky. He paid his dues......
Let's get a big name and roll the dice......
Rumor is that Davies is leaning towards joining Rose up north. TDS is going to
make him miss a full season anyways, so why not return to the same coach and a
school without silly archaic rules?
Mark Few from Gonzaga would be a great choice for coach (but he would probably
bring Giacoletti with him)! Hope you make the right choice, Dr. Hill. With the
higher prices associated with the PAC 12, the Ute nation needs a lot of changes
- not only the coach. Coach first - HOW TO GET THE FANS BACK INTO THE STANDS,
second! It's sad, sad, sad to go to the basketball games and see the crowd get
smaller and smaller. Yes, Utah has the same kind of fair weather fans as any
other school. Winning is great, the the players need support when they are have
a bad year, too! G O U T E S!!
Hill should have hired Juddy instead of Giacoletti. Hill should have hired Juddy
instead of Boylen. There's probably too much at stake for Hill to hire Juddy now
but it is an absolute shame that Hill looked past him twice.As a BYU
fan, I'm somewhat glad that Hill dropped the ball but also have tremendous
respect for Judkins and have a hard time understanding why he did not get his
chance at Utah. He was/is a great recruiter - especially with the local kids.
He is popular with the fan base and even the BYU nut case fans would have a hard
time finding much to dislike about him.Maybe Dr. Hill will pull off
some unanticipated miracle with the next hire but I'm not holding my breath.
Perhaps it's time to consider Juddy again...
Went to Utah in the 60s when Jack Gardner was there. Another great coach is Lon
Kruger here in Vegas. Please don't try. We've got a great team next year.
Don't want to lose him. How about Few at Gonzaga.
This is not the time to 'pile on' the U's basketball problems. They need to
have a good program, Pac 10 or not. And I'm a Coug fan. There is
no need to diss on Boylen or Chris Hill. There has been enough problems without
jumping up and down on them. There is already plenty of humility.For heaven's sake, let's be observers of the selection process (which actually
should be plenty interesting), or at least be silent if you don't have something
nice to say.
The poll is ludicrous. Why would Dave Rose want to go an hour north to Utah?
Should they try? Waste of time.
@teafor twoI won't bother posting BYU's extremely long list of
football acomplishments and awards both team and individual. Suffice it to say
but your comment is LOL
Well all i can say is Utah State does pretty good with local talent.
Tony Bennett of Virginia would make a great PAC 12 coach. After all, he sang
"I Left My Heart in San Francisco". We will now find out
soon if Dave Rose (off to the lowly WCC) and Stew Morrill (any WAC conference
left?) are really happy with their future situations. I found both of their
statements in interviews yesterday about the Boylen firing intriqueing. Both
were very careful not to criticize Hill for firing Boylen. Usually coaches in
secure situations as Rose and Morrill will often say something like, "I
think my colleague deserved more time and should not have been let go". No
such saying from those two. My sense is if you are interested in a job you
won't criticize your future employer.
Good Luck UTAH in finding a new coach. One that will bring back the 'ole glory
days' of the Running Utes! I am a BYU Grad, but I remember growing up watching
the likes of Coach Ken Gardner (at the helm) and players such as Billy McGill.
Now that was a special time! Of which (most basketball fans) are looking
forward to the time when those days return to Utah.Sports should not
be a vehicle to criticize or hate one another (simply because of their
allegiance), it is an opportunity to appreciate creative coaching, model
mentoring, great teamwork/chemistry, life experiences, fair play, and individual
excellence. It is mostly the time for developing our young men and women.Again, here's to the great athletic program of a (another) special
University in the state of Utah. Not to forget "any of the others"
(USU, WSU, SUU, etc.)
ModerateI was not really referring to having a bunch of local kids
like back in the 40's. All I am saying is that even Majerus saw the value of
developing some of the local kids to give interest and make a connection to
local fans.I get it that we need to bring in those Van Horns,
Millers and Boguts but it sure is fun to cheer for those few local kids too.We all know that the biggest factor is WINNING though.I
really doubt that Dave Rose will drop things in Provo to come up to the U. He is
a good coach no doubt and I would welcome him but I just don't see that
happening. Get it done Dr Hill. We know you don't mess up very often
and this is your chance to get it right.
If Rose does jump ship (titanic) and moves up to the PAC 12 with Utah, it will
be interesting to see if BYU fans treat Rose like they have treated Norm Chow.
I think Utah ought to give Jerry Sloan a call. He can bring Phil Johnson with
him. I guarantee that the Utes would be a tough contender. As a BYU fan, I
hope Utah gets a great new coach and takes the PAC 10/12 by storm! I would love
to see the State represented with class in that conference. But if they get one
more dud, maybe it is time for Hill to hang it up!
Question to all you BYU fans predicting a dire future for Utah Basketball. Why
do care Utah does; why do you swarm to Utah stories and leave your condescending
drivel? What does that say about you? Utah B-Ball will be just fine, it has a
proud tradition (proudest in the state based upon overall win- loss and post
season success). Go worry about your WCC team and getting the monkey off your
back about never going far in the tourney. Bottom line, aim higher so quit
Perhaps it is Dr. Hill that needs the boot.
RE: utahcountyute"We need someone with a Utah connection that
can recruit local kids."Why?Moving to the Pac-12, I
look forward to the Utes having a larger talent pool to recruit from. Sure, if
there is ONE great kid in the valley, you try to land him. But I don't see the
Utes sweeping up a bunch of local talent then competing in the Pac-12.The Jimmer is not a Utah native. What local talent has Dave Rose developed?
With all respect to Coach Rose... he may be the greatest coach in the state of
Utah, but that's not saying much. Many Ute fans would be disappointed to go on
a national search for a coach, only to have Rose step in.Some say
he'd jump because BYU is WCC bound next year. The WCC is ideal for them.
Strength of schedule doesn't matter in baseketball. At least one WCC team goes
to the NCAA tourney every year. BYU could do that. We don't need to save Coach
Rose from the WCC. He'll be fine.
Ute fan Rose is not stepping down to your level. If Rose ever leaves BYU it
won't be for utah. "Mark it down"
SamSorry man but K Malone? He can barely put a coherent sentence
together that anyone can understand. Can you see Karl trying to recruit? Go from
one bad recruiter to Karl Malone?Great player and hard worker but
not coach material.I still think Tommy Connor would be the best
choice. We need someone with a Utah connection that can recruit the local kids
against Rose. Connor with Alex Jensen as his first assistant.Either
way, Go Dr Hill and Go Utes!
Duckhunter- The Utes football success of recent years compares favorably to BYU
success of the past 35 years. Much better bowl record, 2 undefeated seasons, 2
BCS victories, the only undefeated team in the country in 2008-09, which matches
BYUs national championship in 1984. And the Utes still maintain the overall
series edge by a significant margin. I congratulate BYU on their success, but
you are mistaken if you think it trumps the Utes.
Even without coaching experience, Karl Marlone would be my pick for a big name
who could probably recruit and teach. He has indicated that he wouldn't mind
getting into coaching and this might be a good place to start. With him being a
"beginner" and Utah having fallen on hard times, this might be a good
Pac-10 envy is alive and well on this board. The Utes will do just fine. Their
football is already on par with the best of the Pac-10, and they have one of the
most successful basketball programs of all time. Top 25 in victories, winning
percentage and NCAA tournament appearances and victories, even though they have
struggled lately, due mostly to poor coaching decisions. Playing in the Pac-10
will help solve that problem.When was the last time BYU made the
Sweet Sixteen? Or the BCS......
As I said yesterday...there isn't a credible coach in the country that wants any
part of the grease fire that has become Utah Basketball.The
university has mistreated its last two coaching selections, there is no NBA
level talent currently on the team, what decent players are there are now
released to transfer with the coaching change, there are no recruits worth
mentioning, and the basketball competition next year gets severe. Not a very
good recipe for rebuilding success. Predictions? The next Ute
coach is gone in three years too...and the Utes continue their steak of
"none and done" well into the next decade.
I wonder if Plan B will be better than Plan A. Looks to me like Utah just threw
away $2M and will right back where they were at. Let's see what this PAC 12
label gets you. If it is a low profile name, it will definitely be a reality
check for where you really are on the pecking order.
Andy Katz has a great list. Randy Bennett (St. Mary's) Trent
Johnson (LSU)Blaine Taylor (Old Dominion)Mark Gottfried (former
Alabama head coach) I've also heard Tony Bennett is a
possibility.I'd love Gottfried, either of the Bennetts, or Taylor.
Since his stint at LSU, though, I'm not a big Trent Johnson fan.
Gee ernest you could basicly say the same thing about ute fans and utahs
monstrous run of 6 years of mixed success in football. Let's see two great
season, one pretty good season and 3 mediocre ones. Yea that's the equivalent of
40 years. LOL
Rock,You just got one thing wrong-- you forgot to mention "Dr."
Hill when referring to Utah's AD.
If Lon Kruger didn't take the AZ job, I doubt he would take the Utah job.
Sad that the Johnny-come-lately fans somehow think a few poor seasons indicates
that they've had better success in basketball.Andre Miller NCAA tourney
wins: 11byu's NCAA tourney wins: 10Now really, who is more
I'm sure the 2 million dollar severance will help Boylen get over this just
fine. Despite chris hills weak assertions otherwise this is certainly a big hit
to an already strained athletic budget. Still he really couldn't let it go on
any longer as the hc was a wasteland for every game other than the BYU game when
Cougar fans filled it up.
Dave Rose and Lon Kruger would be the top two on my list.
I'm not at all a Ute fan but being in the PAC 12 should make the job easier to
fill with a big name. I've met Boylen several times and he is a terrific guy and
I hope he has success. Heck, fired and handed $2 million would certainly help.
you're right about yutah being an embarrassment part....hahahaha....looks like
the team and fans from SLC aka Same Losing Community will take that same
mentality to the pac 11....classic.
Don't even mention Kruger, he wouldn't give the Utah job one second of
consideration. He's more than happy @ UNLV.If you Eweties want ex BYU folks, how
about Roger Reid he will be available after getting the boot at SUU, and would
be more than a good fit for what you have as a second rate basketball program.
The u is already an embarrassment to the pac 10.2! The encore will bring down
Hill: "I think that was a challenge, being in a non-BCS conference, and
many times people could see the job in the Mountain West as a stepping-stone
job."Would the WCC then be a demotion?
"Now that the other Jimmer is gone,..."it's sad that the
only way to get attention to this story is to lead with a reference to a player
on another team. Sad writing Brad. Jim Boylen and Jimmer Fredette aren't even
in the same class. The editors should have sent this story back for major