Pocy... works both way, so it didn't change the numbers at all. Being an independent with a national fanbase will probably always be greater
than the state's local fanbase suppporting the U. However, now that both are
going different directions it would be reasonable to say the Utes might pick up
a few BYU supporters as the rivalry dies down.
Yner,You have to remember, though, that not all LDS members or BYU
graduates are BYU fans. I would be one who falls into that category.
I 'troll' because I'm always 'bitter and jealous'. Now that I've said that I
feel so much better.KH... "P.S. Nobody in the nation thinks
that BYU's move to independence trumps Utah's move to the PAC 12 besides BYU
fans."I can't resist. I feel like a bug drawn to a bugzapper
light... "It's so beautiful..."Uh, what a silly
statement... Isn't it about the fans, the people that pay or watch TV and
support the schools, sponsors, etc.? By simple virtue of LDS members in the
U.S. (aka fans), I believe those numbers trump your Ute fan numbers. Unless I missed something I don't recall seats being removed from the MC and
LES. BYU fills them up on a pretty regular basis, winning or losing seasons.It's about viewership, money, and exposure. We will see how both
programs fair after this next season.Ducky and Mussy... I'm sending
Kleenex to both of you. One of you is laughing to tears (like me), the other is
seriously depressed and lacks some writer creativity.
@Duckhunter,Kind of like that 1-4 start for BYU last year? See I
talk smack about what actually happened. (Facts) You talk smack about what you
think will happen. And what you think will happen rarely happens.
@Duckhunter,Kind of like BYUs 1-4 start last year? Does that Utah
State game still sting?
@bleederget back to us after that 1-4 start next year.
duck decoyI'll be straight up honest. The reason that I troll this
forum is that I am jealous of all of the national accolades that BYU has
received. For decades, my Utes have set out to earn such respect, but sadly, it
never came, and, now, it never will. Since the announcement of our
being consigned to perennial bottom dweller status in the PAC 12, I have gone
through at least 200 boxes of kleenex, crying myself to sleep at night. All I
really want is for someone to hug me. I am desperate for attention and need
others to acknowledge me, to feel a sense of self worth.
The Utes were nationally exposed three times last season.The last
thing the Utes need is more national exposure.
Duckhunterr impersonatorEvery conference needs it's perennial bottom
feeders to pad the records of the elite programs in the conference. Washington
State welcomes the company.
"I hadn't planned to post on a Ute article"Do you mean the
first time you posted? Or how about the second time?? Maybe it was the third
time you were talking about...at least be honest and admit trolling
is in your blood just like DuckHunter and SammyG!!!Go Utes!!
Eastcoastcoug, don't bring Idaho into this. We had nothing to do with it.
WA_Alum&Dad,A couple of weeks ago you commented that nobody in
your town of Marysville, WA had even heard of the University of Utah. Rather
than waste your time ranting against the U of U here on these boards why don't
you just go door to door in Marysville and rant against the U. You could kill
two birds with one stone, educating the good people of Marysville and ranting
against your favorite adversary, the University of Utah. You should also read
Mathew Chapter 6. You know, the verses about loving your enemies.
Ill be straight up honest, the reason that I troll this forum is that I am
jealous of what Utah has accomplished by securing a Pac-10 invite. For years,
my cougars have set out to earn such an invite, but sadly, it never came, and it
never will. Since the announcement, I have gone through at least
200 boxes of kleenex, crying myself to sleep at night. All I really want is for
someone to hug me. I am desperate for attention and need others to acknowledge
me to feel a sense of self worth. Please, have pity on me my
Utah hasn't been relevant in anything besides football for a long time, so as
long as the Utes continue to do well in football, they'll be fine.
I smell a lot of Pac-10 envy from the BYU faithful. Let's face it, the Utes just
movied into the best overall conference in the country. And while there is no
doubt that the basketball team is the pits right now, historically that has not
been true. As for football, the Utes are already an elite program despite having
the distinct disadvantage of not playing in a BCS conference. Poof! That
disadvantage just went away. Where is BYU? Nowhere. The WCC in basketball?
Please. And in football? BCS? Nope. Independent. Some advantages there, but in
the long run, it is gonna be tough to play a schedule worthy of National
Championship consideration. Oh, well. I am happy for the Utes. And I wish the
Cougars well also.....
@pebblesYou are perhaps the dimmest of all posters on here. No not
everyone could go independent. Actually very few schools could do it
successfully and utah is not one of the ones that could. You have to have a
large fanbase, BYU has that and utah does not. You need to have a nationwide
fanbase, BYU has that and utah does not. You have to field top programs in
multiple sports, BYU does that and utah does not. You have to have a national
network perceive you as valuable enough to cut an exclusive deal with you for
millions of dollars per year, BYU has that and utah doesn't. What
BYU has done very few schools could do. Any school could go to the pac10 and
gravytrain on the other schools there. That doesn't take any sort of anything to
accomplish. Don't get me wrong about that either because it is a step up for
utah from where they were but they haven't done anything that litterally any
other school couldn't do also. If utah ever does win the pac10 and goes to the
RoseBowl then get back to us about what theyve accomplished.
Troll Police:Is your post an attempt at stand up comedy? You were
trying to be funny with irony right?
Dear Troll Police (ironic title), I havent posted on a BYU story since who knows
when (last time I am sure it was positive). Go find a post and prove me wrong.
Thing is Mr. Troll, this is story about Utah so once again you and your fellow
fans are looking like hypocrites de jure. I don't care about your silly little
team. My team is leaving them behind and from now on it will be one game a year
just like Weber and USU. It's also laughable to act like going independent is
anything near as good as being called up from the mid majors (a neighborhood
your team still inhabits by the way). Any team in the nation can "go
independent" but the truth is only silly BYU not wanting to be left behind
had try to prove it was as worthy (total reactionary move). Please go away BYU
fan/trolls, I really don't care to see you on U of U threads anymore with your
ever present little brother attitude/insecurity.
@Mormon Ute:Glad to know that you aren't one of the haters. I hadn't
planned to post on a Ute article, but your characterization made me laugh out
loud.@RotM:Good to see that a Ute fan knows how to spell
belittling, hypocrites, and condescending. Congrats on your use of punctuation
as well.Sorry--you kind of asked for that.
@ TrollPolice,Your main point in your post is that you think Utah
fans are obsessed with BYU. Do you realize that you are on a Utah article,
which means that you probably read the article, and you are now commenting on
the Utah article about Utah fans. You are the one that is obsessed with Utah.
P.S. Nobody in the nation thinks that BYU's move to independence
trumps Utah's move to the PAC 12 besides BYU fans.
pebble of the marne It's laughable that BYU-obsessed Utah trolls
like you who constantly spam BYU articles would have the chutzpah to complain
about BYU fans posting on a Utah article.Utah fans are simply
jealous that BYU may have trumped Utah's move to the PAC 12 by going Independent
and signing an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN.As much as Utah
fans try to pretend that Utah's move to the PAC 12 left BYU in the dust, Utah
fans are still obsessed with BYU.Why is that?Could it be
that Utah fans are worried that if BYU is successful as an independent, it could
dwarf any accomplishments that Utah might have in the PAC 12?Little
brother syndrome is alive and well on the hill.
WA_Alum&Dad, give me a break, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Look at this any and every other story about the UofU and you will see numerous
posts from BYU fans like yourself belittling the UofU. You guys such hypocrites
as your fans are some the most condescending around. Problem is when you get it
thrown back at you act like little girls and claim persecution. BYU where the
girls are girls and fans are too.
@ WA_Alum&Dad,That's very interesting, because I've received the
same kind of treatment from BYU fans. Is it possible that it goes both ways?
Is it possible that the ugliness of the rivalry could be BYU's fault as well as
Utah's fault? Do you truly think that Ute fans are the whole problem? I agree
with you that there are some Utah fans that only hate BYU. But I have also seen
some of the most hateful words and actions coming from BYU fans towards Utah.
The problem involves both sides. Stop drinking the byu kool-aid and have an
WA_Alum&Dad,You should do your homework before lumping me in
with the BYU haters and the crowd you describe. My posts anywhere on the
Desnews web site are always respectful of BYU or any of the Utes opponents. I
have seen many BYU fans spew nothing but hatred on these comment boards, even in
articles that have nothing to do with the rivalry. So don't try to play the
holier than thou card on me. Doesn't fly.FYI, where I sit in
Rice-Eccles there are usually some BYU fans around us during the rivalry game.
Other than some gentle ribbing by the Utes in the area, I have never seen the
kind of poor behavior you and other BYU fans have described. I don't doubt that
there are Ute fans in the stadium who are rude and crude, but don't try to
steriotype and lump us all together. I would think any BYU fan or member of the
LDS Church would have had enough of that to not try it on others.
Wow, little brother BYU fans are all over another Utah story like white on rice.
To you Zoobs, it is really no concern as you are not in the PAC 12 so worry
about. Besides, you have that great WCC (aka high school gym league) to worry
about. Maybe someday you'll get into a real conference; just keep dreaming and
believing and maybe one fine day, who knows.
Duckhunter,Please tell me what BYU has done lately to be a
"powerhouse" football team. To use your words, "that is truly
laughable". 7-6 last year with a loss to Utah State does not make your
team a powerhouse. Any BCS wins? I don't think so. Any BCS appearances? Nope.
Sorry to burst your bubble that you live in, but BYU is not a
"powerhouse". Sure they won the NC almost 30 years ago by beating a
bunch of nobodies and a 6-6 Michigan team, but like I said, that was nearly 30
@Mormon Ute:haters masquerading as BYU fans Thats rich. I was
one of the hordes of BYU students who come every year from out of state to
Provo, thrilled to be there and happy to root for my team, completely unaware of
the animus that blows from north to south along the I-15 corridor. At my first
BYU-Utah game I was astonished to discover that apparently to the typical Ute
fan, hating BYU was more important than cheering for their own team. It doesnt
take more than a couple years of that to turn the nicest out of state BYU
students into Utah despisers. We wouldnt presume to use the term hater. You
guys own the patent on it.It's too much to hope that Utah's move to
the PAC would allow you all to free yourselves of your BYU fixations.
Seriously-move on. If we could move BYU out of the state, would that help?
@RatmanActually, BYU's other programs won't suffer. The WCC is a great
basketball conference, with VERY nice cities (@KamUte) and a conservative group
of partner schools.BYU has no conference affiliation in football, and
therefore doesn't have to share TV money or bowl payouts... which means that the
Vegas Bowl turns into a pretty decent payday, gravy on top of the ESPN $1
million per game.Boise State has proven that all you have to do to get
into a BCS game is go undefeated - regardless of the competition. Considering
BYU's easy schedule, I'd say they have a better chance at that than Utah has at
going 8-4 in the PAC.Utah won't beat USC, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Oregon.
Washington, Arizona State, Cal, Oregon State are all toss-ups. Only Washington
State and Colorado are games Utah should win.As for basketball, PAC12
means nothing to Utah. They would be the doormat of the Big Sky Conference.
@kamuteI agree with most of what you say as the pac10 is definately
better than being in the MWC. But as usual you had to add something that is
laughably untrue. "No more away games to play powerhouse or 2
for 1 schedules."Utah never got "2 for 1 schedules"
with any powerhouses. They got one and done only away schedules with the few
powerhouse they played. No powerhouse has ever come to res and outside of the
conference teams of the pac 10 that are now obligated to go there none ever will
with the exception of BYU who will do it just for the rivalries sake. utah has certainly moved up and improved their situation but most of you ute
"fans" are just a little bit delusional as to your place in things.
You truly are considered to be no more than washington st. in the grand scheme.
You will actually have to do something to be considered any more than that.But you do have the opportunity because you are in the conference.
It doesn't matter for BYU not to go to a conference with an automatic bid when
it's the PAC-10 and the Big Joke (East) who's calling. It's a shame that Utah
and TCU had to go to Lowly PAC-10 and the Big Joke (East) to get one. Wyoming
could go to those conferences and competitively compete. Wyoming would be in
contention to win the Big Joke (East). I like the Independent prospect,
especially when the time needing the WAC crutch comes to an end.
My fellow BYU fans are just uninformed and plain nuts for dissing the PAC 12.
Everyone of us wishes BYU had gotten the invite. They play in front of the
biggest audiences in the West, have the largest TV markets, recruit in cities
where our best LDS athletes live, as well as some great non LDS. If you were HS
star in Mesa, LA, SF, Seattle or Utah for that matter, where would you go to get
the best exposure, coaching and competition? It's easy. Only those of you who
live in Utah or Idaho wouldn't know what I'm talking about.Going
independent was the only option since we weren't invited to a real conference
and we had to escape the MTN (too bad it didn't happen for Jimmer). Look for
BYU to join some future conference re-alignment. This is only an interim plan.
Jealousy is such a lonely word. Having a chance to play in a
conference that receives an automatic bid to the Rose Bowl and an opportunity to
play for a NC each year is something your team does not have. Even if our team
does not make it, we still get paid. If your team wins 11 games this
year, you will be lucky to play in the Vegas Bowl. If Utah wins 6 games, they
may play in that same bowl. Winnining 10 games could mean Rose Bowl and
undefeated means NC opportunity. No more towns like Laramie and ABQ.
Mild weather and great cities with great food and great atmospheres. No more
away games to play powerhouses or 2 for 1 schedules. Feeling privileged.
I'm looking forward to seeing what the new TV deal will look like with the
PAC-12 network and a strong national partner.As usual, the Ute
haters masquerading as BYU fans have to chime in here.
Are you saying irrelevent?? 3/4 of their football schedule is against Sun belt
teams or whoever. CHA=CHING!
You shouldn't want more exposure when the PAC10 is so very bad.
@HJC, Funny you would accuse the Utes of doing exactly what the cougs did -
sacrifice all other programs on the altar of independence. Nice twist, anyway.
Your PAC-12 envy is showing.
The PAC is irrelevant in basketball this year. Adding Utah won't help that any
. TV won't help either!
Doesn't even concern Utah. No one follows their basketball program anyway. They
could give away tickets, and the Huntsman Center still wouldn't fill up.Funny how willing the U was to sacrifice all their other programs at the altar
of football. It'll be a real reality check when the football team struggles
against the other guys in the PAC12. Only Washington State will be an easy
Hope a new deal allows you to watch your home team when they play. Last week
when UW played UCLA at home in an important bball game, the Seattle area watched
UA and Stanford. Where's the common sense in that. Since the new contract
won't be in place till the end of this year, the SLC market may not get to see
all the U games, especially if they're playing at the same time as another Pac12
opponent. You may get to see WSU play Montana. Next year should be
Sammythe division of revenue has already been decided. The revenue
will be split evenly between the schools. The one caveat is UCLA and USC. If
the revenue comes in less than 17 mil/year, they get a slightly higher cut (not
to exceed 2 mill) than all the other Pac 12 schools. One of Scotts
big things was getting equal revenue sharing, like in the SEC, not the weighted
garbage that the Big 12 does to placate Texas.
Sammy,Looks like your saw PAC12 acronym and it threw you into a
tantrum again. Another timeout maybe?Also sounds like you're
connected at the hip with Scott ( I think Ducky is also a personal friend of
Scott) regarding all the revenue issues. Thanks for the hourly update.
The PAC has fallen behind the MWC, the WAC and WCC. The WCC doesn't even play
football, and their football is better than the PAC.
I love having Scott as the commissioner. An incredible step up from Hair
I'm sure a better TV contract will come about. What I'm not sure of is how much
and when the Utes would get any of it. Like the current contract and its
graduated scale.In a limited TV audience such as the Salt Lake
market is do you think the PAC-10.2 would impose some other insult to the Utes?