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Published: Wednesday, March 9 2011 6:58 p.m. MST

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John Charity Spring
Alloway, NJ

Herbert would be wise, when he considers whether to sign this bill, to remember the famous words of Thomas F. Meagher, "Beware of the tyranny of the masses, for it is no less evil than the tyranny of one."

In essence, this bill represents the tyranny of the masses at its worst. Indeed, it is a case of politicians cowering to public opinion, rather than making a reasoned, prudent decision that is in the best interest of the community.

What we need in this Country is to be led by those who are smarter, harder working, and more educated than the great hordes of the public. We need these statesmen to ignore public opinion and do something because it is right, not just because it is popular. Unfortunately, Utah has been saddled with a governor who did not graduate from college, and thus, is likely to go with the populist movement when considering this bill.

CJ
Murray, UT

What a bunch of baloney!! The usual DN amnesty agenda at work again. If Herbert signs 116 he is done in this state, but the DN doesn't care. As a registered Republican and delegate I can tell you that Herbert won't make it out of the convention in 2012, he will tossed out on his head. Billions of dollars are flowing out of our economy and they are going to Mexico thanks to illegals and their pandering bleeding heart supporters like the DN. They steal jobs, they steal services, they commit crime, and they send everything they can home to where their loyalties are. And where do the loyalties of the DN fall in this debate? Read this commentary and you will have no doubt left. The DN doesn't care about Utahns that is plain, their loyalties are with illegal lawbreaking criminal invaders.

legalimmigrant
Springville, Utah

Wow! 71% of Utahns agree with a work permit for illegal aliens if they have a job and pass a background check... I guess I am in the 29% who oppose this ridiculuos bill!

Littlebit
Salt Lake City, UT

Another unbelieveable pro-illegal opinion piece by the Deseret News. This bill is going to open a can of worms that can never be put back into the can. Does the DN even read the posts on their own comment board? The vast majority of those who post are against any type of guest worker program or any rewards or incentives for illegals. If this bill is signed into law, the state will never be the same. We will be overrun with illegals, even moreso than we already are. I simply don't understand the agenda of those who think this is somehow a good thing.

Considering
Stockton, UT

How tough is it for legislators, our governor, and the media to understand: NO AMNESTY!

We must not, we cannot afford to, reward illegal conduct.

Reagan's amnesty was a one time thing. Even that encouraged millions more foreign nationals to illegally enter our nation. This bill is an endless open door. By extending amnesty to anyone here by a certain date, anyone who can gin up some fake utility or rent bills that "prove" they were here by that date will be able to stay forever. This would be disastrous even in a vacuum.

But with virtually every State around us cracking down on illegal aliens and increasing enforcement efforts, Utah will be THE sanctuary State of the entire inter-mountain region.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

I applaud our representatives for rising above the intense passion and even hatred in this issue. Undocumented aliens should not be generalized as being all criminals nor do they deserve a free pass.
Clear heads prevailed and saw past the unfair demands and prejudices that emerged from both sides of the issue. The word "illegal" puts an ugly and dehumanizing label on a human being. Being fluent in spanish, I have come to know the souls behind the label. For the most part, humble and extremely hard-working people.People who we as a country have allowed to live along side us for decades now. Cheap and convenient labor.Our government has allowed our borders to go unprotected. This hurts both U.S. citizens who are exposed to a criminal element form Mexico and it hurts Mexicans here who easy targets for exploitation. We now have a reasonable, educated solution that addresses our national interest and is also more humane.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Reagan's amnesty bill failed, and this illegal amnesty bill will cost Herbert his job if he signs it.

Right or Wrong
Happy Valley, Utah

"detractors from small but vocal groups"

They numbers are not what the DN thinks they are.
Large numbers of people I talk with on a daily basis, who know more than what is fed them, are very angry. Immigration reform, true reform was what we wanted. It is not what we got.

Not So Fast
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder if people realize our current workforce in the USA will not have enough workers and contributors to government programs to pay the benefits and social security of the larger generation that has gone before. Utah doesn't face the same problem because we have lots of kids, but most states lack workers.

In 20 years Europe, USA and Japan will need a lot more workers but the US will need them less because of migrants that have come here to work.

It isn't popular, but it is true.

Emophiliac
Vernal, UT

I've always considered Herbert to be a politician, someone who knows which way the wind is blowing. We saw this a year ago, where Herbert tried to call a special session to deal with immigration and then dropped it when it looked like the eVerify enforcement bill would be strengthened rather than weakened. If enough people contact Herbert and let him know about the political suicide that the Guest Worker bill would be, then he will likely not sign it. But there is always that conflict of who is contributing to his campaign that is the wild card...

Mr. Bean
Nuevo Leon, Mexico

"What lawmakers have forged through the legislative process reflects the will of the vast majority of Utahns."

That's a bunch of baloney. It's obvious the numbers were taken from the Hispanic community.

The little town of Neuvo Leon will swell to millions to get their work permits and migrate to the US, never to return. Mexicans must by saltating with absolute joy.

What Herbert is missing or choosing to ignore is the federal aiding and abetting of illegal immigrant laws (8 USC 1324). Implementing bill 116 will automatically cause state employees who find illegal immigrants jobs to become instant felons. Same with employers who give jobs to illegals. The guy is an idiot if he signs the bill.

Lectori Salutem
Beautiful Salt Lake Valley, Utah

Consider this from the Republican Party Platform:

"We oppose illegal immigration and all forms of amnesty, or legal status, for illegal immigrants. We support suspending automatic U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrant parents. We oppose granting government benefits to those illegally present in the US. We oppose any temporary or "guest" worker program that would offer an automatic path to citizenship. We believe that current laws against employing illegal immigrants should be vigorously enforced, particularly to stem the now too common crime of identity theft in obtaining employment."

Now this Republican-dominated legislature gives us HB 116, which feels an awfully lot like amnesty to me and will give legal status to illegal immigrants.

As for the Deseret News, they laud BYU for sticking to their principles and honoring their "honor code." Why, then, do they not insist that our legislators honor our rule of law (honor code) and our American principles of honesty and integrity with regard to illegal immigration? Why the double standard?

The Republican Party had better decide who and what it is or it's not going to hang onto those of us who are extremely disillusioned.

Janell
Ventura, Ca

It is often said that there are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Darn lies and statistics. I'm sorry, but I don't believe the polling (designed and paid for by politicians) that the gov. is obviously pressured to base his decision on. As someone who used to work for a polling company, I know that the statistics can easily be swayed by the wording of the question. For example, one survey we did was about abortion. If the respondent approved of abortion in the case of rape, incest or the mothers life was in danger, they were quantified as pro-choice. Also, the method of choosing the respondents could also affect the results. If only certain areas were polled and not others, it could gain them the results they desired. If this board and the many other ones are any indication about how the voters feel, Herbert should be wary of voting for this amnesty bill.
I find it laughable that they writer of the editorial calls the guest worker provisions, "very popular". That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

SLars
Provo, UT

I don't think our government should be run by one questionable poll.

I have never trusted Dan Jones, and more than once other media has conducted polls that are just the opposite.

You don't reward dishonest behavior.

Grasscutter
New York, NY

So since when can a state issue a work permit? It's nothing new for elected officials have no respect for technicalities like "laws" or "the constitution", but I (used to) expect more from the Deseret News.

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

"It represents the will of the majority of Utahns as expressed in polling."

I'm sorry, but the DNews is not impartial on this issue as indicated by their one sided reporting. How are we to believe they are impartial on their polling? They are, in fact, misleading in reporting that 71 percent support the bill. 30 percent of that 71 percent only "somewhat" supported. In addition HB116 hadn't been introduced when the polling was done.

It is obvious to me that the DNews is worried that Herbert is not going to sign the bill into law. Why else would they write this opinion piece now?

Lastly, if you do a google search on "Desert News polling and immigration" you'll see polls conducted by the DNews and Dan Jones only months apart that contradict each other. This fact alone goes to undermine the credibility of our new agenda driven in town news paper.

Herbert should be smart enough to know at this point that any polling done by the DNews is not necessarily going to be indicative of the truth.

Clean Air
Draper, UT

It's a sad day. The voters need to rise up and reject all the elected officials who supported amnesty. Tomorrow, I will cancel my subscription to the Deseret News.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Herbert has been around long enough to know the proper weight to give Dan Jones polls.

There are two guest worker programs, one gives amnesty, the other doesn't. How do they know which they supported?

One works with with the "H" visa already in use. The other would require lawsuits, a complete re-write of labor and immigration laws, and dozens of lawsuits. It is a two year stalling tactic.

We can have enforcement and a guest worker program using the current visa available now, or we can watch lawsuits fly for two years, and be right back here in 2013 with nothing changed.

RRB
SLC, UT

Legislatures and government officials know this bill (HB116 ) will never see the light of day. The Federal government is not going to turn over immigration to Utah. This just puts laws on hold and encourages more people to come here illegally. It assures a continuous supply of tax subsidized illegal labor to Utah's business community. What has happened to this country.

This bill is not based on principle, but on greed. We should be wise enough to understand the difference. You don't reward dishonest behavior. You don't start a guest worker program while 7.5% of the state is out of work. You don't hurt a persons ability to feed and house their family. That is the most destructive thing society can do to a family unit.

This solves no problems, it's just continues to build on the old. That's what the the Utah compact was about, no change. Just continue to allow the law breaking.

JP71
Ogden, UT

Arent we all immigrants? I am a fourth generation immigrant from England. I think that most people who do not like this bill are just anti-immigrant period. I wonder what the Native Americans feel about all of us being here? Or was it their fault for being on our land before we got here?

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