If BYU had delayed its action at all it would be denounced as a bastion of
hypocrysy for doing so for the next 30 years.
In one of the comments on the article by Otterson someone claims that if this
expulsion had occured from a military academy people would not question the
reasons and just praise the action. I am not sure if this is true, but the
noti0on that people think it is true works with the rest of my thought
process.The military academies are controlled by the federal
government. They are thus public institutions and at some level are thus
subject to public discussion of their rules. On the other hand BYU is a
private, religious institution and its rules are its own decision not under
public control. Yet it seems the public tries harder to control the rules
imposed by BYU than the rules imposed by the military academies.
Stoudemire has without reason injected race into this issue. Interestingly
enough I read a comment on an ESPN or such article where someone claimed that
the girl in this case must be non-white because if she was white Davies would
not have been punished. I am still trying to figure what the end result of such
bizarre racializing of the matter is.Stoudemire is also
mis-characterizing what has happened. Davies has not been suspended from
school. He has been suspended from playing, but is still enrolled in school.
Hopefully people can find ways to use this whole incident to attack
false charges of racism against BYU. It will however require straitforward
discussions of race, and acceptance by some people that they have turned the cry
of "racism" into a way to advance double-standards.
I have some great conflects with this Issue and will continue to have.Part is the judgemental People who have posted in. The Rel=ig=ious oh-so, and
other Howdey Dodutys, That wnat to talk about judgement, punishment,
and his future. Other the a Code Violation nothing much went on.
Evan the School Kept it private which I would expect of them.When
stuff happens this is the issue it happens over the most. Should that change
anything? no! Because of the folks you are dealing with to include the Students
want it that way. The Marriage Rate at the Y's is fairly high,
Temple and non Temple so i do not think its a lack of interest as much as
Obidence to the Rules and doing things rightI took almost 2 years to
Re-do the Leiav Temple and some Students waited and some went to Kona, or Tonga
or San Diego. However many waited.Our young people went to Kona 3
different times. Which requires 2 way Air Fare. I paid for my Daughter and
Grandson (different mother) twice.Spendy but they had fun.
All Davies had was Legal Sex. There is No Law against legal Age Sex
in Utah or anywhere else.However Members and Staff of BYU. BYUH,
BYUI and BYU Business College all sign the Honor Code. All agree to
certain rules and standards and more or less live by them.No
premartial Sex is a major Factor in the Mormon Church andv the other rules are
not a Streach either. Your Child Male or Female can go to anyone of those
Schools and feel safe. Feeling safe is also a large part of being a Mamber Of
The Church.Mostly with the Honor Code if you keep the Word of Wisdom
and Able to get your TR then you are okay.We also need to know, who
lead who, as again for most this is Normal Behavior.He is messed up
as well as messed over. As he went and Confessed on himself.Some
people would say confessed about what? As nothing was against the law and no
crime was committed.He did break the rule and rules in that setting
apply to everyone.I am glad BYU Held The Line.
Not to sling the mud, but MWesley admitted to his HC violation in the summer
semester. BYU's policy at the time was that the student would have to miss
"one semester of season play" and then be brought back to the team.
There were several individuals on BYU's staff that were under the impression
that missing fall semester wasn't enough of a consequence for Wesley. After all,
he got right back on the team in time for Conference play the next January. Perhaps with the Unga and Davies tragedies, BYU finally decided to make the
suspensions more of a burden to bear.
I usually despise the Cougars as a Ute fan, but being LDS, I'm really cheering
for their success this season for finally being a good rep for my religion.
Hopefully the fans continue the outward support of Davies.
Davies is playing in the "biggest" game of his life, being true to
himself and his words. The prospect of winning big in your life is also there;
with support from your family, friends, and BYU you will not fail. Good luck to
Brandon and all those involved in overcoming this challenge. The bigger the
opposition the greater the rewards of winning!
The writer never identified who Diamond Leung is...
Ivan: well said!Deductive: Because this was neither a criminal nor
a NCAA violation, had he been quietly suspended after the season, the national
press would have been much less interested because it would have had no
immediate impact on the basketball scene. Nationally, the Unga situation was
not nearly as high profile as this was (for Unga or BYU). Mr. Davies' situation
would have been of even less interest if he had been suspended after the season.
Ivan M. Call Delaying Brandon's suspension wouldnt have saved
Brandon public scrutiny.In fact, it would have made it worse.There's NO WAY BYU could have kept this a secret. Just like
the details of Brandon's violation somehow leaked, a friend or relative would
have revealed Brandon's "secret" to someone, rumors would have
started, and the news media would have started investigating.As soon
as the story broke, which was inevitable, BYU would have been accused of a cover
up and of making a mockery of their own Honor Code, and Brandon would have been
accused of receiving preferential treatment because he's a star athlete.No, BYU did exactly what BYU should have done for an Honor Code
violation as serious as Brandon's. Brandon was immediately suspended and BYU had
no choice but to immediate announce his suspension for an unspecified violation
of the Honor Code. Brandon couldn't simply disappear from the team.The media storm that followed was out of BYU's hands, but it would have been
far worse if BYU had delayed action and tried to cover it up.
Wow, I didn't know Amare Stoudemire commented on this before I read this
article. "Don't ever go to BYU, they kick a Young Educated (Black) Brother
OUT OF SCHOOL" How does this have anything to do with race?
Why are there so many people that try to make everything out to be a race issue?
So-CalAggie | 2:32 p.m. March 8, 2011Leave it to a sanctimonious aggie to
confuse things. What happen to Brandon was because BYU respected him as an
individual student, athlete and has an eternal interest in him personally.
I dont believe the athletic department intentionally threw Mr. Davies to the
wolves. However, that is precisely what happened. Within hours of his
suspension being announced, the media uncovered the ecclesiastical reason for
the suspension. Within a few days, the press splashed photos of his girlfriend
-- who is not a student at BYU and did not sign the Honor Code -- all over the
internet. By immediately suspending Davies for the season, BYU virtually
guaranteed that his private transgression would become public fodder on ESPN and
hundreds of other national and international media outlets. Far from receiving
equal treatment under the Honor Code, Davies' personal life and that of his
girlfriend were splayed open for public voyeurism and mockery. If BYU thought
the media would walk away from the suspension story without first uncovering and
reveling in all of the intimate details of the particular Honor Code violation,
it was naïve in the extreme. While many commentators have heaped praise on
BYU for not placing wins above the Honor Code, perhaps it would have been more
honorable to forego institutional accolades in favor of quietly preserving
Davies' dignity not to mention the public reputation of a particular young
There are so many people here in Utah and around the Nation who are hoping for
the best for Davies. I am one. I hope Brandon guts it up and gets this behind
him and it will and won't take long. I know if he plays ball again he will
recieve a huge ovation when he steps on the floor.
I agree with AFcoug, Dave should have not said anything until after the season
and gotten the national attention for the Y. Tell Brandon to keep it under his
hat until after the season and teach him what is more important, winning at all
costs and sacrifice all in the name of the game. Jim Tressel evidently felt that
need also and now has to explain why he said nothing. Perhaps he knew notifying
the NCAA would cost his team and school the money from projected bowl games.The
Y is being accused of being unforgiving, too strict and had they put it off they
would have been labeled, "Hipocrates", a no win situation. They
followed their code, true to the faith.Good for them, I too would much rather be
called too strict rather than untrue to my beliefs. Go Cougars and Aggies.
Compare how BYU and Davies are handling this very public situation vs. Ohio St.
and Jim Tressel. Ohio St. will stand by their coach despite the fact he new his
players had broken NCAA regulations and did nothing. Once it broke in the press
Ohio St refused to suspend the players for their bowl game, instead putting it
off until next year when the players will not even be there but likely be part
of the NFL draft. Gotta say BYU is a breath of fresh air in college sports.
Just want to post my support of Brandon. Wish him the best, and hope to see him
play in a Cougar's jersey again.God bless, Brandon.
TJ:Actually, I have spent quite a bit of time sitting across the
desk from BYU applicants, thoroughly reviewing the code and making it very clear
that if they sign on the dotted line, theyd better be prepared to live the
letter of the law. I do believe there are obligations and consequences
associated with the honor code. For the kind of violation we're talking about,
"suspension" from priesthood duties and certain church rites are in
order but no other young man would be suspended from the Ward basketball team.
And for anyone else this would all be handled discretely and privately and no
one would feel "wrong messages" were being sent. Of
course the honor code office knew this would be a debacle. It was their
(difficult) choice to make the decision and announcement when they did. If/when
your son or daughter faces a similar trial, if four weeks would make the
difference of it being a private or horrifically public event, let me know how
you feel.We can agree that kudos are due to the team, the BYU
community, and others for the strong support for Mr. Davies.
Again, it is Brandon's actions that have lead to this situation, not the coach's
or the university's. He broke the honor code and chose the time to come
forward. It has also not been determined what his status at the university will
be. There was no choice but to make it public. Do you think it wouldn't have
been noticed that he suddenly disappeared from the team? I'm also sorry that
some on here think that winning championships is more important than the
principles that the university stands for. That's really sad. I'm sorry for his
team mates, too. That's not the university's fault.
Interested in what it means for Brandon to "come clean". Did he bring
this whole thing to light? Was it his first time in the honor code office?
Something still seems amiss about the whole process. Mostly just curious. I
attended BYU for grad school, but never had a any interaction with the honor
code office - what is the process like? Or is it always as different as each
individual circumstance. Just seems like if it is like a normal church
disciplinary process, for a young Aaronic Priesthood holder, that a first time
offense from a repentant individual would be dealt with much quiter and less
harsh that this has been dealt with. Genuinely interested in the process and how
this whole thing works. Please help me understand.
I don't see any celebration over this suspension. When a young man makes a
mistake (serious moral mistake) there are many people effected included his
parents and siblings etc... Brandon is a great young man and he did the right
thing in confessing. I hope the desire to be seen as an uncompromising
institution that puts honor over wins and losses doesn't cloud the bigger issue
of helping Brandon back into full church fellowship and then back into
To Cats: Not everyone is supporting the school on this. There are a lot of
people in and out of the LDS community who think Brandon could have been held
accountable and had consequences without all the public humiliation and drama.
This young man could have been given the opportunity to repent in a quiet way
and helped to learn and grow. After all he reportedly was very remorseful and
heartbroken. While my opinion and that of many others is probably in the
minority (at least in this area), don't forget there will be consequences for
the team such as not now winning the MWC tourny, not going to the final four,
etc. Its a shame his team mates are cheated out of those opportunities. There
could have been an alternative way to handle this but it would have taken
courage and a vision toward the future and not just past precidents. I
appreciate the opportunity to share another point of view.
BYU does respect Brandon as a Child of God and as an adult who has signed an
honor code and is required to be held accountable for it. Brandon knew when he
chose to come clean that it would be made public. There was no other option.
Even most people who have a chip on their shoulder about BYU are acknowledging
that. Brandon is clearly more of an adult than those who are attacking BYU for
doing the right thing.
The one thing that's lame is how ignorant people are about the LDS church. 98%
of the comments on CNN are bashing the church.
Wiley old school. You have no clue as to what the honor code is about do you?
Just about every other school would have done what you suggested and kept the
athlete on the team until the season was over. This would have resulted in
Davies being sent the wrong message and a blistering negative media blitz on how
BYU shows favoritism to athletes. The timeing had to do with when the violation
was made known to the honor code office and coach Rose, not when it was most
convenient for the school or the team. Good or bad publicity was not considered
as you pointed out. People who think like you are representative of why there is
so much wrong with the youth of today, especially entitled athletes who think
they are above the rules. Kudos to BYU and to Davies for how this has been
handled. Handling this in any other way would not have been in the best interest
of anyone, including Brandon Davies. The honor code office, the school, the
coach did not decide to make this a debacle. The media did. Blame them. Any
other school and this would have been a one story issue
Davies if youre going to listen to a Wesley forget Mekeli; listen to Tai. Go
to a school that respects you as a student, an athlete, and an individual, and
best of all, a school that respects your private life!
Everyone including the media needs to leave this gut alone. BYU made there
point don't use him as a BYU propaganda machine. He has been thru enough
I have to say, in following this story locally and nationally, and reading the
comments of others, there seems to be a ton of support for both BYU and Brandon
Davies. As much of a bummer as this has been to the end of a good basketball
year, I find that I am left feeling impressed by the humanity shown by almost
everyone who has touched on the story.
Watching the way that Brandon Davies has handled a very disappointing and
awkward circumstance makes me a lifetime fan. What a great person!
I actually agree with Tebow. Everybody should have a second chance.Problem is, I think many people, and perhaps Tebow is included with this
group, who forget that there are still consequences for any action. Davies must
face the consequences, one of which is being suspended from the team.Just because we forgive doesn't mean a price won't be paid.
Dear Wiley Old School: Brandon chose the timing--not BYU. And you can imagine
what a scandal it would have been had it gotten out that BYU was suppressing
this until after the basketball season. Coach Rose did the right thing at the
right time. He really had no other choice. All other considerations are
irrelevant.Everyone is supporting both the school and Brandon. That
was really clear to anyone who was at the game on Saturday.
DRayBrandon's girlfriend isn't even a BYU student. She's a student
at another university; and for those speculating, no, she's not pregnant.The only thing BYU has said about Brandon's Honor Code violation is that
it didn't involve a crime.
bustahrounds:You label Tebow "holier than thou" and then
say you're not going to follow his judgmental lead? You're kidding right?
There was no arrogance in his comment that Davies, and all others, should have a
second chance.I think the support for Davies from the basketball
team and BYU community at large has been awesome.But I still
struggle with the timing of the suspension that inevitably resulted in publicity
and public humiliation that virtually no other BYU student has to endure.It should not matter that the public "verdict" has turned out
to be favorable to BYU... good or bad publicity should not have been a factor in
the decision. There would have been no way to eliminate all publicity but the
spotlight would have been much, much dimmer if the decision had been deferred
until April. Better that BYU deal with charges that they swept the situation
under the rug than hang this burden on this young man.We are going
down the wrong path if we use the public response as a yardstick for what is
right or wrong.
Dear DRay: Actually, we don't really know what the honor code violation was.
We all know what we think it was(and we're probably right) but neither the
school nor Brandon has announced what it was. So we can't make the assumption
that there is even a young lady involved in this.I just have to say
that I am more proud of BYU than I have ever been. I grew up in Provo and
graduated from BYU. I have always been very proud of that and consider my time
at BYU to be one of the greatest blessings of my life. But, I am more proud now
than ever.BYU has become an elite school, a powerhouse in sports,
but more importantly, has maintained this standard of honor. That's greater
When I was very young I defied my mother. When she spanked me I told her
"You can't make me cry." And she couldn't. I was under eight and she
didn't have the heart to hit me hard enough (and I desparately needed it).My father heard about this when he got home and he changed my attitude.
I understood that I did have to obey my parents. Yes, it was painful at the
time.My dad later said; "I couldn't let you win that one or you
would never win again in your life."The Cougs are winners on
the court.They are winners off the court.Brandon is a winner
too. He has done something that I don't think that I could ever have the
strength to do. It is hard enough to confess your sins in private. I could not
immagine having to do so with a national audience. That is rough for a 19 year
old.The team will continue to win without Brandon, and Brandon will
be back, to win and win and win again.
I like that Tebow, who has long touted his "holier than thou" image to
the media is condemning BYU for sticking to the same standards that he (Tebow)
claims to preach. Regardless, I'm not going to follow Tebow's lead and I can't
judge him for shooting his mouth or being judgmental. Instead, I'm going to wish
Davies the best as he prepares for another chapter in his life. I'm sure that
this has been a very painful lesson given it is being played out in the public
eye. But Wesley, Reno Mahe and others like them who went through the same trial
in the media can use this as a positive motivator to becoming a stronger
individual. Good luck Davies!
This is a very tough time for Brandon but hopefully he is seeing the light at
the end of the tunnel. Kudos to Mikeli. We really need him and want him to play
for BYU next year but he needs to overcome this trial more. This has turned into
a huge amount of positive publicity for BYU and the LDS church. I am sure we
would all rather it had not happened but I have not seen negative from any
credible person or institution. It is too bad that people like Tebow or
Stoudemire shoot their mouths off before they know what is going on. This is by
far the best way to handle it for Davies and he is the #1 concern. Great
job BYU and Dave Rose.
Life is a roller-coaster ride. Brandon Davies will be a wiser and stronger man
from this trial. We love you Brandon. Go Cougs!
I'm proud of BYU for sticking to their standards. The ultimate mission of BYU
is to assist individuals in their quest for perfection and eternal life. There
is no place for a double standard. Kudos to Wesley for supporting Davies
through this difficult time.
Mekeli brother was hoping to go to BYU but BYU didn't have any scholorship for
him. I did forget that Mekeli had a HC issue which was long forgotten.
Nice of Wesley to lend a hand and heart. Good job. Davies has to
know that he is loved. No question about that if you were at Saturday's game.
God bless all of us...we're all sinners.
While I support all that has been done at BYU for Brandon Davies and the B-ball
team, I can't help but wonder, what about the young lady involved? Is she also
being given support, etc. Of course she is not in the public eye as much as was
Brandon, so should be dealt with privately, but no less honorably and helpfully
as he has been.
It's nice to have a friend who's been there to lean on. With Mekeli Wesley's
help and that of a lot of other people, Brandon Davies will be back.
Wasn't even aware that Mekeli Wesley had a honor code violation. Knew he was a
stand up guy and a great bball player. Wish his brother Tai had come to BYU.
Can't wait to see Davies back in uniform in the future. Go Cougs! Jimmer!