If you are angry about Gov. Herbert's signature attend the "Shine the
Light on Government" RallyUtah Capitol, March 10 - 6:00 PMBring
a flashlight & meet at the fountain.
@ConsideringGRAMA has protections for privacy in it. If they need
to be enhanced...so be it. But don't you think thats a little different than
excluding entire classes of communication.Further, if your
conversation has to do with something you have a direct or indirect interest
in...It must be part of the public record...otherwise how do you keep an eye on
the relationship between special interests and our legislature.I
acknowlede the cost issue...THE ONE AND ONLY THING THAT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT.
So you think the current measures help cost huh? Here is how this is going to
go...1) the state will be sued multiple times at what cost? 2) we have just put
a value on the email and phone accounts of Utah legislators...a value to hackers
and the like...in order to enhance security, the State will incur cyber security
costs in infrastructure and personnel that will DWARF what this MIGHT save in
preventing "fishing expeditions"...College degree or not...they are
all short sightedNo one is asking for information from phone and
email accounts these folks hold in their private lives...just the ones WE PAY
What a terrible law! I am really upset that Gov Herbert didn't delay the bill
as long as possible with the threat of a veto. He caved in, and let the law
pass.To Considering: when you are talking to a public servant, guess
what you lose some of your "rights of privacy." It is all part of
taking part in a public arena. There isn't any back room deals, or any inside
deals. When you talk to a Senator, Representative, or Governor, you better
expect that conversation to be part of a public record. Of course
now all lawmakers in Utah are up for bid. Any lobbyist can simply text the
amount they will pay, and there is nothing we can do about it.
My BS is in mathematics, my MS is in physics; but it is my understanding of
literature, art and history that fuels my study of the STEM topics. If we were
to set up a Singapore style math system would you be willing to force you child
to do math in school 2 hours everyday, plus 2 hours of tutoring every day, plus
another 2 hours of math homework every day? That is the Asian model of
education. I want my kids to have a well rounded full education not a
When I speak to my legislator in person, I expect that conversation is
private.I expect the same privacy when we speak over the phone. Can someone explain to me why that same expectation of privacy should
not extend to conversations with my legislators using email or text messages?Certainly some emails and texts should be public records. But just as
clearly, some are private in nature.I'm also not thrilled to have
taxpayer dollars spent so the media or other partisans can engage on witch hunts
searching through thousands of pages looking for innuendo against only one side
of the aisle. Freedom of the press is crucial. But with rights
come responsibilities and in some cases, the press and individuals have abused
those rights to impose unwarranted costs on the rest of us.
Hebert signed the bill. ENOUGH said. REcall the entire GOP, Nationwide.
So far, the governor has merely delayed the effective date of this horrible
bill. He apparently still intends to sign it. So how, exactly, has he earned the
praise of the Deseret News? Surely you don't trust the legislature to fix all
the problems with the bill before July 1.
I'm thrilled that the bill wasn't signed into law yesterday, but the Deseret
News shouldn't be praising Herbert--they should be praising We The People that
heard about the legislature's shameful misdeed and flooded Herbert's office with
phone calls and emails! The DN should be praising the people that testified
against the law, who then raised heck when the legislature ignored their
concerns. The DN should be praising Jesse Fruhwirth at the City Weekly for his
up-to-the-minute tweets that kept us informed as the disaster unfolded. The DN
should be praising the democrats that opposed the bill in the first place!!!Praising Herbert for sending this bill back is like praising the wisdom
of a sleeping dog for having the good sense to get out of the street when it
hears the truck that is about to run it over.
Gov. Herbert was covering his back-side, and those of his cronies.All he had to do was VETO the HB477 - and he could have Killed it in an
instant.It would automatically have gone back to the beginning of
the House and Senate for a revision and another vote.Repealling it
AFTER the vote and the public outcry was pure Politics - plain and simple.Can't anyone see it?Herbert showed no spine, and no
integrity at all.
The Gov's response to the Legislature's anti-citizen misconduct is tepid. So is
this editorial. What happened to newspapers defending the first amendment
including the right of access to the news? That's what I was taught at BYU.
I don't like herbert but where is the requirement that somebody has to graduate
from college in order to be sucessful? It should be about how hard you work.
Larry Miller is a prime example of this.
I also like that Herbert negotiated with the legislature, rather than needlessly
antagonizing with a veto. This will allow all interested parties time to work
together to craft a better bill.
I thought HErbert was a lightweight when he was lt gov, but he has done a good
job. As for education the greatest lack is math. Why can't the state set up a
Singapore math pilot program and see if it would help.
Who the heck is Rudi Starnberg?
This article expresses concern that technology has changed in the last 20 years.
It is spot on in that assessment, but the transparency of technology requires
even more care in the way our elected officials act, not less. This bill
encourages the elected to be lax in their civic actions. When the salaries paid,
the cell phones and laptops provided to these people to conduct the publics
business are paid for from public funds, where in sane thinking do our
legislators get the idea that their communications should be hidden.The arrogance of those we trust to conduct public business knows no bounds.Herbert has declared his concern. Let's see if he acts as he speaks. I
Thank you Gov. Gary Herbert for reminding us that one of the great values of our
legislative process is deliberation.That sounds more like this in my
view.The state of the American education system today is
unacceptable. As many as one quarter of American students don't finish high
school. We've fallen to ninth place in the proportion of young people with
college degrees. The quality of our math and science education lags behind many
other nations. For the sake of the next generation, and America's economic
future, this has to change. The good news is that we're making progress and
seeing improvements around the country already, focusing on our own Three R's:
responsibility, reform and results. Said Melody Barnes, Director of the
Domestic Policy Council. She's from The White House by the way. Not,
Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. Now, what's wrong with this picture?.Now, you do the math.
Herbert did not even graduate from college. There is no cause for celebrating
his influence.Herbert has interfered with the natural order of
things. The legislature had the power, and it acted. Its members are strong, and
they can do what they want. All Herbert did was pander to the whinings of a
bunch of weaklings.It is sickening to hear a bunch of weaklings cry
about the legislature passing a bill. The strong have earned the right to do
what they want. The weak should quit whining and just get used to it.
Herbert wasn't deliberating. He was playing politics, and responding to the
firestorm of public opinion that was sparked by HB477. He was being reactive.
I would want him to be proactive, which would have meant that bill wouldn't have
made it to his desk. Sorry, Guv -- you don't get any politicial points out of
this in my book.