the rout has started. lol. after this road trip the jazz will be below .500 and
way out of playoff picture. what an end to a promising season. silver lining? we
may get a high draft pick in addition to the draft pick from the Nets. the
future looks good on paper. but corbin's coaching style could be a problem. he
doesn't seem to demand any effort from his players and he praise them any chance
he gets, even if they lose games they should've won. losing could be in the
jazz's agenda the next 3 years.
Painful. Shooting guards who can't shoot.
The Jazz back court is embarrassingly terrible. I can't see any upside. CJ is
the biggest joke in town. 3-13 or something and 2-3 he made were in the last two
minutes. On top of that he cannot come close to guarding the elites of his
position which happens to also be the elites of the NBA. He needs to go. Favors
has huge upside. Start him the rest of the season and let Millsap rest. Nothing
against Paul, but no use in him hurting himself more.The guards have
no offense. Harris is a decent player but nowhere near the caliber of what we
lost. Might as well start Hayward to give him some confidence and quality time
over bell. Bell can not score and is getting to old to even play his rock solid
D. Give the youngsters experience, and use the draft wisely. Trade picks for
proven guards if needed, instead of taking major risks. Only upside of this team
is Kirelinko's expiring contract and the quality of our front court. We still
need a solid center, as Al can't do it all. Go Jazz. Good Luck.
ouch..not the Knicks
Al Jefferson had a good offensive game. Favors, Evans, Watson, and Hayward
played pretty good. The rest were now shows due to injurys or what ever reasons.
The young guys need to play and develop because the most promising thing about
the Jazz team is in the future after this season.
Typo error. I meant to say no shows. Sorry
Well, it looks like the Jazz went through one too many trials to overcome this
year. Losing your hall of fame coach and star player and suffering all these
people being out of the lineup. The biggest problem though, has been the
imbalance of the roster. AJ, PMill, Memo, Favors all really at the same
position, and having to choose between CJ and Raja at the two.For
next years, the Jazz have some great assets, especially with AK's contract
coming off the books. They will have to make the very tough decision of
choosing between AJ and Millsap. AJ will play much better if he can play at the
4. I say give Millsap up to Phoenix for Gortat and package some draft picks and
cash for two shooters. A couple of moves for next year and they could be great,
but they proved tonight that it's not in the cards for them this year with their
pathetic balance and shooting guards
The Jazz are not a very good team right now and I don't see a whole lot to get
excited about. Big Al played well but he's about the only one. There are no
leaders on this team. The guard line is pretty terrible and although Favors has
potential he has alot of work to do. I've always tried to be patient and hope
for the best but there's really not much to be positive about. I think Fes
will be out of here after this season, we need to trade CJ and try to something
for him, Price is scrappy and tough but his shooting is poor at best, he needs
to be replaced. Bell needs to be a leader from the bench or be traded. AK, I
love what he brings to the game but he can't stay healthy. Elson needs to be
replaced. Half the team needs to be replaced.Keep Big Al, Favors, Milsap,
Hayward, Harris, Watson and try to trade or release the rest. We
definitely will be in the lottery and have 2 picks, the problems is this is a
very weak draft.
We have fallen a long way in the last twelve months. Letting Matthews, Korver,
Boozer, and now Williams go even though the argument is that we "had
to" has taken this team to the bottom of the NBA. It is going to be a long
hard road back, we get worse with every passing month. I wonder how much it is
going to cost when attendance drops off dramatically as more and more fans throw
in the towel on this season and the next. Don't tell me how we are going to get
draft picks to make it up, if draft picks worked the Clippers would be reigning
champs the last ten years, instead they are the reigning chumps. I like Corbin
but he isn't the guy to take this team anywhere but down to the basement, we
need someone who will kick a few butts, the mailman may be the one to deliver on
that. He won't pat slackers on the back, he will get them to play or show them
I hope NJ doesn't play well enough to jump up past those ahead of them in the
standing, I think they are 3 or 4 games behind, I hope we can keep their pick at
the number 6 spot and the way we're playing we could drop to were we have the
12th or even the 11th pick. KOC needs to shake this team up and go for the
rebuilding mode. Corbin needs to play the young ones and give them a
chance to develop.
Embarrassing? I'd say so. I am not sure why Bell hasn't taken himself out yet!
Hayward should be starting. Harris, Miles, and Bell were 0-19 at one point.
Isn't a shooting guard supposed to know how to shoot. Start Harris,
Hayward, Evans, favors, and Jefferson. Rest Millsaps knee and give the rookies
some PT to get ready for next season.....if we have one
By the time I got home the Jazz were already down by 18 so I didn't bother to
watch. Checking the box score I see Miles had his usual stellar shooting night
(sarcasm) 3-14 and 2-8 on 3's. Too bad we don't have a shooting guard who can
actually shoot. And someone who could actually defend a 3 point shot would be
nice since we're wishing.
The problem is that Utah doesn't know how to pick people! Watch, they'll pick up
a big white european guy as the new jersey pick and with the lottery pick
Jimmer. He's a great shooter but speed with eat him up. BAD! He won't be able to
guard guys like D-Rose or Darren Collison.
With Favors hopefully the future at PF, Milsap is probably our best chip in
trying to make a trade, I like the idea of Gortat and maybe even a draft pick
for Paul. We definitely need some shooters both at the 2 and the 3. Hayward, I
think will be OK. Give him as much PT as possible.
Wouldn't you know it. The Jazz will have 2 lottery picks, and there is nothing
to pick. Wow!
I agree Millsap is obviously hurt he needs to sit and heal. It has been to the
point of hurting the team. But again this team cannot catch a break. Favors is
great but he fouled out in less then 25 minutes, fesenko was out again, and
elson was hurt. The team is banged up obviously they need to bring
some BODY in at the very least before this team runs into the ground. Still trying to be positive. Who really thought they would beat New york
anyways? Favors will get his shot. You can see it unfolding like magic. Same
thing happened with Matthews just happening to him a bit later. WATCH OUT.Go Jazz
Corbin has changed the offense so that it revolves around AJ and his strengths.
However, that change may have accented the weakness of the SG/SFs. However, one
of AK or Hayward usually play well. So the major problem is the shooting of the
SGs. It was a weakness before. Now it is a major weakness. There has
to be additional changes in both offensive design and personnel. The offense
also has to be designed for Harris or he has to be replaced with the ideal PG
for the new offense. Favors just needs time to develop. The Jazz
have NO need of Gortat or any player like him. They do need ONE insurance big
and that will probably be Okur if he recovers or a draftee like Cantor. The Jazz may keep AK depending on cost. They probably keep Hayward and
give him a year to develop his shooting. They should keep Millsap, Evans and
Watson as they produce well for the money they cost. That leaves a
lot of money to build a great bench with players who are ideal for Corbin's
offense (which is he is not thru building). The biggest problem is
Without AK Jazz can't hold ground. AK always MVP.
I do not think you can judge Corbin as a coach until the end of next year. He is
stuck with a poorly designed team that Sloan/KOC put together. AND then
KOC/Miller traded his best player (a true top 10 player).At least
give Corbin credit for getting the max out of AJ. That was not happening with
Sloan. Corbin has NO shooters. Favors does not know the offense and probably
will not for another year. So far he looks great. A rotation of
AJ/Favors/Millsap will be as good as any in the NBA. If Okur or Cantor is
backing that up you have a great front line. KOC has this summer to
fix the SG and maybe the PG but I suspect that Harris will stay and play better
as time goes on. Corbin's offense has been decent (not great) but
should be much better next year.The most crucial question is the
defense. Sloan did not have a good defense for the last 5 years. This current
defense is bad. I am not sure how that gets fixed but personnel
changes are an obvious place to start. Get role players who fit.
I hope there isn't a lock out, a lock out would really weaken this draft, I hope
the Jazz try to bring Tomic over, he is long, tall and has a good offense game
but I'm not sure about his D. He very well could get pushed around alot in the
NBA. Although Fes is suffering with back spasms now Corbin wasn't using him much
anyway and so I don't think he or Elson should be counted on as players in the
Jazz future. We need a center that is tough, mobile and can contribute on both
ends. I think Gortat would be a good pick up if we could get him, which I doubt
we could. The Suns just barely got him and I think they like him. Maybe we could
I keep hearing Greg Miller and KOC say right after the D-Will trade: "This
gives us a chance to be competitive now and also build for the future."Competitive now? Really? With who other than Sacramento at home in OT?
If Kirilenko is gone then they should get Harrison Barnes (North Carolina) or
Perry Jones (Baylor). Barnes has the ability to take over game and Jones can
play both SF and PF also with great size. If both gone, then get Terrence Jones
(Kentucky) or Derrick Williams (Arizona). One more thing, maybe get
Jimmer with the lottery pick. Jazz can make more money off his jersey sales.
Today in Professional Sports you play for NOW!! There is no future in Pro Sports
today. Players don't stay in one place anymore. Management is looking to the
future, that's a joke. Even if Favors becomes a star, which I have my doubts
about, he will up and leave also if the Jazz management doesn't bring in some
talent. You just don't trade a all-star, they don't come along everyday!!
aj pmill favors should make a good rotation by next year. by the time favors is
good enough millsap contract will be up . it will work it"s self out. all
three should be fun to watch for the next couple of years what ain't is all the
bench in at the end of the game some who don't ever get to play and who is
clunking it up every shot? same one who clunk's it up every night
Ty Corbin is now 2-8 after 10 games. There are 18 games left which should give
Jazz fans an idea of what kind of basketball we will be seeing now that KOC and
Greg Miller has given Corbin a 3 year contract. Why wasn't this done on an
interim basis? I mean, Ty Corbin wasn't going anywhere.
talk about an off-night...CJ was just 1-10...im not saying its CJ's fault...its
the fault of the entire team...even if there are bright spots...like favors and
Al Jeff...its a team game...so i blame the team for the loss...@Utah
Jazz fan ChrisHarrison Barnes is a good prospect but i think he needs one
more year in college...Perry Jones is an Athletic Big...but with the log jam on
the 4...we should let one or two go...Derrick Williams is my bet...since i think
the Jazz is committed to Devin Harris...i think they are also interested in
Kanter..@josembhow many games has he logged in as a coach?
judge him next year...when he gets a full year of coaching...with training
camps...there are coaches who gets it right of the bat...there are coaches who
gets good in time...so give the guy a break...he isnt the one out there to
execute the plays right?...he calls them...and let the guys execute...so if you
are going to bash someone...make it the entire team...they themselves lost it...
Yaawn... Can we just fast forward to June 23rd when we can use the
5th pick on Jimmer? Then fast forward to 2014 when he and the #9
pick Haward will lead Utah to a NBA championship.
Good grief, what a performance.AK: 4 points and 0 reboundsMillsap: 4 points and 2 reboundsCJ: 3 of 14Nice game guys!Did AJ say he was excited to come to Utah because they had a great team?
@scodyshootfighti like your idea of the trade...we could probably
get Josh Childress and Gortat and a second round pick for Millsap and Ronnie
Price...another trade in mind is...trading Millsap and Price for Delfino or CDR
and Larry Sanders and a pick...we could try to trade Millsap to New Orleans if
David West goes to another team...trading him for Trevor Ariza and probably a
first or second round pick?
I like Milsap, but if Favors is the future and Big Al is a keeper, Paul is our
best trading chip, we need more help. Last year we needed PF's now with Big Al
and Favors we need 2's & 3's & a center, Paul is the best chip we have
to get someone of value. A lot of teams will like to get Paul because he is a
worker and I appreciate that but he is undersized and we have needs that we may
only be able to get by giving him up in a trade. Tomic isn't having the kind of
year that makes me think he is a sure thing and the draft picks are going to be
rookies that will probably have to develop.
@Chris As long as the Jazz have a top 5 pick they will get a player who will
really help them. If they have 2 picks in the top 7-10 they get a lot better
fast. I do not expect this team to make the playoffs. The defense is
too bad and the outside shooting is too erratic/bad. The Jazz shot
.45 (FGs) and .26% (3s). The Jazz were built on efficiency. They are extremely
inefficient. If they are inefficient they can't out score other teams. The bad
defense only makes it a lot worse. The inefficiency was in the
guards Bell 2-7, Harris 0-7, CJ 3-14, Watson 3-9. The inside players were
efficient. AJ-17-26, AK 2-2, Favors 6-11, Evans 2-4. The 2
exceptions were Millsap 2-6 (hurt) and Hayward 4-5 (good).Favors, CJ
and Bell did rebound pretty well. Fix the efficiency problem or the
Jazz are the Nets of the West. AJ may put up all star numbers but the team will
lose.NYK shot .56 (FGs) and .50 (3s). That speaks volumes about the
defense. 109 points will win most games.
Big Al, I tip my hat to you!! I'm sorry you came here with so much hope and
anticipation to be able to be on a playoff contender and things are not working
the way you hoped so far. You deserve better than this bug guy!! I hope the Jazz
can put some people around Big Al and teach them to play defense so that he will
see his dream come true. It's just not going to happen the way things are
I'm pretty sure this will be the weakest draft for 25 years due to lockout so
not making the playoffs is an awful strategy.Not really much hope
for this team if you're relying on draft picks. A lot of lotto picks have been
people with potential, like Favors. But those types of picks need ironing and
most of the time don't work out. Harris isn't as good as I thought
he was. Hopefully I'm wrong.And I'm sick of CJ and Raja. Either play with
some consistency or don't play them at all. Hayward's the most consistent out of
the two defensively and offensively. I'd like to see Harris,
Hayward, Evans, Favors, AJ play at the same time. That right there is a great
the Jazz are done
wow, be glad we have a major league team. quit complaning. i would follow even
if we only won a few games. maybe if we can gt tomic to come over and break the
ice with him and he likes the usa we will have another nice piece. now he is
used to being home there and i think he is scared to come here. ak is so pronbe
to gtet hurt we should have traded him and got rid of the big contract this year
for money to get free agents. for the right bucks they will come.thanks.
Honestly, did jazz nation expect anything less? Or the real question is do they
expect anything more?
Evans hasn't shown he can play the 3 yet, I hope he will show he can but so far
I haven't seen anything to tell me he can. He needs to show he can put the ball
on the floor and attack, I've seen him hit a few outside shots and his shot
looks OK but I haven't seen him attack off the dribble.
Quit talking about Tomic, Gortat, and Okur. Besides Gasol what other Euro big
guy is tough and can lead a team in defense in the paint? The Jazz need to
package Okur and a first round draft pick for Bogut. I'd gladly give up our NJ
pick this year for him and rid ourselves of Okur. KOC bring in
Bogut. Harris, Hayward, AK, Jefferson, and Bogut is solid next year.
There is no need to trade Millsap. Favors will match up with just about any PF
in the NBA. AJ has turned into an all star beast. All he needs is an SG. The
rotation of AJ/Favors/Millsap is great. Add in Kanter and you have a dynamite
front court. Or add in Okur and you are good.Gortat made sense last
year but there is no need for him now. I would much rather have Kanter. If you get AK for 6 mill and Okur for 4 or trade him that leaves a lot
of money for a couple of very good SGs. Besides the Jazz may draft a decent SG.
I am not worried about the SG. KOC will get 2. I am
worried about the defense. This team has yet to demonstrate that it even knows
the meaning of the word. Aside from Watson the bench is bad. That
has to be addressed with role players who actually fit their roles well. Sloan had pets. He did a horrible job on the bench. Miller is going to
demand production. NO more projects. The Sloan basket ball school is done. Draft talent. Trade for high picks.
Looks like bugaway and Coach todd should just tell the Millers how to run there
orginazation, they seem to have all the answers, what to do?... I've only lived
just a couple of miles rom the Delta Center ever since it opened.. and probably
know more about the jazz then the 2 of them together, and yes I have been to
Many upon Many of games.. Live 5 minutes walking from there.
Simply pathetic. These millionaires aren't hustling and are certainly no fun to
watch. Good luck getting me to buy a seat in the ESA.
I agree Defense is the biggest concern but keeping Okur is not the way to fix
the D. Big Al is doing a pretty good job of blocking shots but his pick &
roll D is poor and Big Al is undersized for the center position. I would like to
see a center that is not a project. I don't know much about Kanter but he is an
unproven rookie at best. I'm not saying we should trade Milsap because I don't
like him, I do like him, he's tough and he works hard. He is however probably
our best trading chip. Tomic could probably be a backup to Favors and Big Al, we
need one or two proven shooters at the 2 & 3 spot and Paul gives us the best
chance to get them or he could be used to get us a true center.Johnson72:
What's your point? Tell what you think. Usually your pretty negative. Give us
some of your thoughts.
Captain L that may have been your best post ever, we have found harmony tonight
in total agreement on every point.
To Johnson 72 comment hee hee....right. I know nothing about the Jazz, and he
is an expert lives 5 minutes away. Funny I saw no answers from you though,Bugoff: Well wrong again., Favors, Millsap and AJ for a front line is a
flat out terrible terrible idea...The Jazz need a wing who can shoot, a small
forward to create. They need a bigger, athletic 2 guard who can play D. They
need a center that can intimidate, rebound and box out. Tomic? Okur?
Unbelievable. Corbin needs time? He has been on the bench for years and knows
exactly what the Jazz have done, the good and the bad.It is on him
he cannot be his own man, because he thinks just like Jerry which I was afraid
of. When people mentioned to me when Sloan left "be careful what you wish
for' could not be more true.He still refuses to guard up on people.
Even Harpring all night mentioned how the Jazz do not get after the shooter. No
one since Matt left has known how to defend the 3.Millsap and CJ are
biggest trade bait and both need to be moved.
DWill always claimed the Jazz did not have the talent to play fun and gun with
PHO/NYK etc. This game looks like a coaching/PG mistake (like the DET loss)
where the Jazz played at the PHO/NYK pace. That means they are jacking up shots
and are not back on transition D.@Johnson You probably do know
more than Todd and Me together. Do you have any insights on how to make things
any better? You get a different perspective of the game if you watch it live.
All those tickets must have translated into something useful (other than paying
@Johnson72.That's pretty funny. I live within walking distance of an
Albertsons so maybe they should make me the company President.:)
Keep: Favors, Harris, Jefferson, Milsap, Price, Evans, WatsonTrade
for a sandwich in the offseason: Fesenko (let go), CJ (horrible), Bell (you
can't go back to the days you were good), Hayward (should have been drafted
#35), Okur (stick a fork in him- love him, but he is done).Draft a
shooter. No one on this team can shoot from more than 5 feet away!
I think the Jazz should think about developing the younger guys. Sit Paul down
and let Favors get some playing time along with Gordon. I also think that the
plays being run by Corbin are lacking flexibility. I hope that this is not the
end of the of the heart of this team. I wish that they could continue to try to
improve even if they miss the playoffs.
Favors does a pretty good job defending as he comes out and guards til the PG
can recover. That ia basic and he learned the lesson that AJ missed as did
Millsap and Fes. Elson also covers D for a big man.CJ and Price
have shot themselves in the foot and have proven to be not helpful enough to
justify themselves with the Jazz, the same may also be said of Fes.The thing about the Jazz is they are dreadful at shooting, anyone know who the
shooting coach is?Devin Harris had an off night and with this group
he has been undeservingly fileted.Bell who was hired for his shot
and tenacious defense has been a no show. the team has yet to develop its own
identity since Sloan left. this roadtrip against easier teams should hae been
an opportunity to come together but it seems that might not end up being the
Its "funny" to listen to these people!"Lets get rid
of Boozer" DONE"Lets get rid of Williams" DONEAnd now
people want to get rid of Millsap. What kind of fans are U? Then later get rid
of Jefferson and Kirilenko. Do you know what! Just get rid of everybody just to
make you guys happy!
Trading guys like CJ is a great idea. Problem is, other GMs aren't dumb. They've
seen him play, they know his stats. Scouts have researched him and know his few
strengths and many weaknesses. No one wants him.
I love the "we could do this or we could that" Sure we could do a lot
of things with our basketball trading cards. With all due respect and I
understand it is just conversation but the last time I checked this is the
Miller's team being run by a bunch of professionals. Nothing is going to happen
tell the summer. Sure it is not pretty but this is the only Team we have to
cheer for. UNLESS.....Keven makes a 2 Guard. Where
technology is these day's I am in complete disbelief that he has not thought of
that yet. He should be fired !!
Wow. That was ugly. On the up side, if there is one, Favors got to play and
played well. Too bad Al being a beast wasn't enough either.
Best thing that could happen,hoping Houston passes us also,with our picks and
Corbin cutting the dead weight we can start fresh next year,Favors and Hayward
looked good, a positive
Down 23. Anthony has dropped 25 on you. You are 1-10. And you are laughing on
the bench. CJ......
Capt,funny you are all of a sudden saying what I`ve been saying,why the sudden
Trade Millsap and we`ll regret it,Favors is unproven,mark my word,we`ll regret
the day we dump Paul
@ Johnson 27 maybe you should be the coach
The Jazz are being totally overwhelmed on the court simply because they do not
have the pieces to compete. Okur is probably finished, but certainly should not
come back this season. Players like Kirilenko, and Millsap are injured (back
and knees). This club is one or two steps above D League. It didn't matter
whether or not Matthews were retrospectively signed by the Jazz; it wouldn't
have made any difference. As I've observed ad nauseum, the Jazz don't have the
athletes on their roster; lack big men who can make a difference, and all the
rest of it. It's just too long of a list to get into, as to the deficiencies
they have. Commissioner Stern and his brain trust, along with the owners have
got to address the problems with the marginal and noncompetitive teams, or this
league will emplode; too many teams for the calibre of talent in the pool. It's
not about coaching, it's about the players and the owners grappling for who is
running this league. Right now this league is running along a road next to a
cliff. I just hope they can right the ship. Go Jazz.
Neither fun nor competitive anymore.I betcha Jimmer could outshoot
Bell all day long and twice on Sunday, yes Sunday.
I am a long-time (over 15 years) Jazz fan currently living in NJ. Since the
D-Will trade, it's the first time I feel that watching the Nets is more exciting
than watching the Jazz. But I do think Corbin is not a bad coach. Other than
talents on the defensive end, the Jazz are desperately in need of a good
defensive coach or scheme.
I think it would be appropriate to boo the heck out of C J Miles when he returns
to the Energy Solutions arena. This guy is getting paid to play basketball and
has tanked it since his buddy D Will left. Maybe they should just leave him in
New York. Houdini has been right all along about this child.
I would like to know more about the progress of Tomic. He was in Summer camp
with the Jazz and belongs to them. He is continuing to play in Europe. He is
another of those tall Eastern Europeans.
@ B Russ,but remember,miles is a "bargain" at only 4 million per year
Those of you chanting "de-fence" at Jazz games--save your breath.
It's going to be a few years before we have any of that defense stuff on our
team. We made the Knicks look amazing last night--even their backup point
Jazz, it is time to go big! Start Favors and Jefferson and allow Milsap to come
off the bench. He is injured and gives the bench a huge spark. He stil will
get 25+ a game but Favors and Al give the Jazz a huge big front line advantage
over most teams. AK has been solid at the 3 and I sure hope he comes back at a
reduced salary. Biggest problem is an outside shooter. Miles gets hot but is
streaky at best. The season is a bit lost right now so get some new guys some
expierence.So where do the Jazz go in the draft. I hate to say it
but they really do need a shooter and ball handler. Harris is ok but not the PG
of the future and certainly not a good shooter. Who is the best shooter in the
draft? Probably Jimmer. Not sure you use a 7 pick on him though. If he is
still there a late lottery pick would make sense. Still based on needs of the
organization the Jazz really need someone that can hit a 3 consistently at 40+
You know fans it's completely laughable regarding your comments! Last year it
was Korver and Boozer were terrible defensive players, now this year it's
everyone. Well this year Korver & Booze are playing defense, the difference
is the coach and the system for playing defense is the "right" way.
Just watch our players on defense some night fans and you will see how
"not" to play defense. I believe Corbin will change this fiasco but
not until next year when it is truly his team. Quite frankly it takes more
abilities to play offense than defense. Defense is all about effort and the
right system and we haven't had that here since coach Sloan took over. Game
films are available on every game played in this league, so it's no secret how
other teams defend one another, so why don't we watch some film coaching staff?
i don't spend my life following the jazz so i may not be as well versed as
others...but i did mention we didn't get enough back in the williams
trade...harris is nothing...favors has potential..and two draft picks that from
what i'm hearing are in at least one weak draft year...williams could have been
traded in the offseason even used as a draft day blockbuster component...to move
up in the draft....that is if there's a good reason to do it...non the less it
was alot more fun chearing for the jazz when they were a decent playoff team as
opposed to now where they are arguably one of the 5 worst teams in the
league....koc waited to long with boozer and he walked....koc pulled the trigger
to soon with williams and we got potential...i would rather have had felton and
gallinari from the knicks...which was doable
Re jk,hey if you don`t like the JAZZ there are 30 other teams to root for,harris
is nothing...are you sure you know what you`re talkin bout?
Could the Deseret News state clearly the number of games the fragile Russian tin
man known as Kirilenko has missed for the Jazz in his career? How many games
and what the percentage is? This guy is as bad as Boozer, always the phantom
For all of you ready to throw Harris under the bus after 1 bad shooting game,he
is ranked 10th overall for pg`s,although his minutes are less than all of those
with better numbers. Harris is going to do a good solid job for us,is he a top
3,no,but I`ll be happy with a guy who gets everyone involved and checks his ego
at the door,GO Jazz,I`m a fan whether we win or lose
Houdini: We have had many discussions about CJ and I have always wanted to HOPE
he would come around and start playing more to his potential. The reason for my
hope was that if he would come around and play up to his potential it would make
the Jazz that much better. It looks like you may be right, he just isn't going
to come around. I think the reason is because he won't work hard enough. He has
alot of talent but talent isn't worth much if you won't put forth the effort
needed. He is young and I was hoping he would realize what it takes but his
effort shows he's not getting it. Six years is enough and I hope the Jazz can
move him and get something for him. Maybe he will come around at some later date
but I'm not going to stay on his bandwagon. The Jazz need to find some wings
that play hard and fight to win, and can shoot. Hayward, I think will be OK, he
just needs PT.Even CJMiles (the poster here on DN)has become frustrated
and wants him traded.
Houdini: I agree that trading Milsap could come back to burn us, just like
trading DWill could, but if Favors is the future, along with Big Al then Paul is
our best chip to get some quality players to meet some of our needs. I'm not
wanting to get rid of Paul, but I do want some or a proven quality player(s). We
need wings that can shoot and play tough D. Maybe we can get that in the draft
but trading we would be able to get someone that has proven themselves. Who that
might be is the big question.A big question in thinking about trading
Milsap though is , will Favors produce? I might be OK with the Jazz
keeping CJ if they find someone (or2)that can be depended upon and CJ is a
reserve that produces when he produces but isn't someone we need to count on.
Captain L I agree. It's disheartening when you support and defend a guy like
Miles for 5 or six years and then the result is what we are seeing now. I hope
they give his minutes to Hayward. He is putting forth some effort to defend and
get after the ball. I am admitting I was wrong about Miles, I didn't realize how
lazy the kid is until I took my blinders off.
Re: Houdinidon't question one's level of being a fan..you don't know
me...I'm from Canada and have been a fan since the early 80s listening to games
on my clock radio when the signal would come in strong at night...I'm the guy
that just shelled out 160.00 to sit behind the bench at a recent game in Detroit
(met Matt Harpring!!) nice guy!! dude i'm just saying that everyone has always
been making the negative comments about this team being nothing more than just
an average playoff team....and i was just saying that kind of 6 or 7th seed team
with 50 wins would be nice right about now..hopefully the saying "sometimes
things have to get worse before they get better" holds true and favors and
the drafts work out...Harris is NOT a point guard to build a team around...he's
a step above average in my opinion..i guess i shouldn't have said
"nothing" i was just saying that in the future picture of this team i
don't see him as being a part of it.
Capt,your right it`s all about desire,effort,being willing to work harder than
the next guy.I wish CJ would have done that,because I agree he does have the
talent....but at some point we have to cut our losses.Maybe a trade will open
his eyes,kinda like getting fired and realizing,wow...I better get it together
Amazing how many posts come up when the Jazz lose. Why is that? Then they get a
hard fought win the other night and still most the comments were critical. I do
not get it. Why invest so much time and energy into something you only get
something negative out of?
@The Great Houdini: Where so you get that Harris is ranked as 10th best PG? He
is nowhere near the top 10. Various polls I have researched have Deron ranked
anywhere from #1 and #3, and never lower than #3. Other top 10 PG's consistently
mentioned in the top 10 are, in no particular order, with the exception of
Felton and Jennings being at the bottom of the top 10, are Rose, Nash, Rondo,
Westbrook, Felton, Jennings, Kidd, Parker and Paul.No matter how
Jazz fans want to spin it, you lost a top 3 point guard and one who played and
continues to play through injuries.Can Jazz fans find it in their
hearts to at least wish the best to Deron and his wife? He will miss the next
two games with the Nets to be at his wife's side as the birth of their baby is
imminent. That's the best reason ever to miss a game! No excuse needed.
@gazelle: A win over the lowly Kings should not be a "hard-fought"
overtime win. It should be a blowout...by the Jazz. It's a cause for concern
and, thus, the many critical comments.
oh please,d-will is long gone... adios asta la vista,get it? Harris will fit
this team better and d-will,I hope he loses everygame in NJ,btw,I thought you
were leaving,what happened?
i guess i should ask to houdini do you know what you're talking about...Harris
will fit this team better?...so i guess that the Jazz with Harris instead of
Dwill is a better team....you've lost touch with reality friend