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Published: Saturday, March 5 2011 2:01 a.m. MST

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JBrady
Murray, Ut

Where is the compassion? If he only broke the law once, aren't we forgiving enough to give him another chance?

Middle of the Road
Home Town USA, UT

And don't forget that BYU was also voted the number one, stone-cold sober university in the (U.S.) nation for about the tenth year. It is who we are, and yes there are those who do not drink alcohol.

The world can mock the sobriety of Brigham Young University, but isn't is better to be known for something like that which shows self-discipline in keeping the standards we agree to keep?

Rock on. The best to Brandon Davies. It took a lot of courage and integrity for him to self-report.

byufootballrocks
Herndon, VA

My comment "great damage is done to Brandon Davies" was not about the Honor Code at all. I support the honor code wholeheartedly.

I just disagree that it was necessary AT THAT HOUR to come out and publicly declare that Brandon had broken the Honor Code and suspend him. In fact, it may well have harmed him.

BYU had what, 5 or 6 games left, counting the tournament? He came forward, apparently repentant, and so here's a golden opportunity to support him in that process partly by protecting his privacy. It could have been handled discretely after the season, which would still sustain BYU's policies and at the same time bless Brandon.

He is a public person, but it was a private and not a public sin. But because of the announcement and its aftermath, it is now a very public matter.

So he carries the weight of the negative affect of his absense on a team in pursuit of a final four appearance - something that for many athletes would be a sting that could last a lifetime - as well as seeing his transgression trumpeted on tv, radio, and newspapers all over the world.

And he's 19.

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

The linking of the BYU Honor Code incident to Dick Cheneys visit seems unfortunate. In the former you have something like lemonade but what kind of sweet nectar do you get from aligning BYU with Dick Cheney?

Red Headed Stranger
Billy Bobs, TX

I graduated from BYU, and am a proud supporter of my alma mater. For what it is worth, here in Texas people have gone out of their way to let me know that they truly respect what BYU has done. I was telling people before that "BYU won't play on Sunday - they'd forfeit first." I agree with steps taken, but I just wish it were possible that it could have happened much more discretely. Rarely has so much attention been focused on a young man like what has happened in the past 3 days. May God bless him, and I hope he learns the power and hope behind the words "forgiveness", "redemption", "repentance" and most importantly "atonement". There are things infinitely more important than basketball.

My contempt for the Salt Lake Tribune grows with every passing day. But what can you expect from a "newspaper" that places pictures of the LDS temple ceremony on the front page of their website.

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

It's very simple: if you want to attend BYU, you adhere to the Honor Code.

If you don't adhere, you pay the consequences. Even if you are repentant, there are consequences that must immediately be taken care of. Paying your part of the price is part of the atonement.

That's called responsibility.

Any attempt to get around that, delay it, or otherwise excuse yourself from it is rationalization. Satan is the master of the rationalization.

This is all about making worthy, faithful men and women. In the eternal perspective, sports is nothing.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

JBrady,

What you are calling "another chance" would be more accurately described as a "free pass." You sound like you would like for there to be no consequences for breaking a commitment. Facing appropriate consequences and receiving another chance are not mutually exclusive events.

The final decision on whether Davies will be given another chance next year has still not been made. Nobody has said that he will not receive another chance. They have only enforced some of the predetermined consequences for his choices.

Observation-ist
Ogden, UT

Those of us who are living by our faith are not casting stones at Brandon. I, for one, am uber sad about his error and the seemingly enormous consequences that choice will have on him and the team.

However, equal to my sadness over his choice, I'm pleased at his willingness to voluntarily admit to and take responsibility for his actions. I'm also hopeful that he will continue on the path to rectify his life and resolve to live by an Honor Code he agreed with. I firmly believe that he will receive a very warm welcome back by those who actually live by thier LDS faith. I'm all for 2nd chances. It's called repentance.

Perhaps (hopefully) the understanding that there are way more important things in life than an NCAA Basketball Championship (or Final Four appearance) will be firmly rooted in his (and his teammates) character. The rewards of living a life of making and keeping commitments, of complete fidelity to your spouse, and of understanding the sacred nature and blessngs of intimacy are far greater than the accolades of NCAA Basketball success.

Brandon, best wishes. You'll be missed ... and welcomed back!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@FDRfan

Obviously from your screen name you have an unreasonable hate for Dick Cheney and are therfor incapable of rational thought on this matter. But just in case you are capable of being educated I will explain this for you.

The writer of the article did not link this incident with Dick Cheney. BYU's spokesperson, Carrie jenkins, simply stated that this was the largest quantity of media calls she had taken since Dick Cheney spoke at BYU several years ago. That's it. There was no political comparison. There wasn't even any sort of attempt to praise Cheney, although I believe him to be a good amn and excellent person, she simply said she hadn't taken this many calls since that time. It gave us a frame of reference as to the quantity involved as we all know a vice presidential visit, regardless of the party of the vice president, will elicit attention.

In the future you ought to try to not make yourself appear to be so dogmatic that the meer mention of a mans name sends you into outrage. It certainly doesn't elicit respect for your political positions.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

This incident is a dramatic representation of the cascading consequences that can follow poor decision making. A very good athlete made the right choice about admitting to a wrong choice. He'll now have to take whatever measures that are necessary to resolve his honor code violations. Painful? Yes. But hopefully this becomes a character building experience. The team also suffers but will surely try to do the best that they can without a strong inside presence. As we approach the March tournament, the BYU team, the university, the fans and perhaps the entire world may witness first hand just how much collateral damage can occur from just one temporary error in judgment.

I'm sad for those that may be affected by this highly publicized event however I am glad that this took place in a sports venue. Sports today are tainted with great athletes with no accountability for their self indulgent behavior. Our children, for how they idolize these public figures are tainted with such a skewed picture of reality. BYU's steadfast decision to remain true to their standards is a shining beacon to students everywhere that are trying to make sense of their moral compass.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

JBrady

"Where is the compassion?"

The compassion is the love and support Brandon is receiving to help him turn his life around and helping him be all they he can be.

To delay or minimize the consequences of a serious violation of the Honor Code wouldn't be honest to Brandon and every other BYU student.

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

I've always been, and will always be a Ute fan.

But I've never been more proud to be a BYU graduate.

SL
Rexburg, ID

Okay, okay, enough self-congratulation on this issue. I hate how this has turned into a look-how-much-integrity-we-have PR campaign, especially at the expense of someone's privacy.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Niles Kinnick would be proud of BYU.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

Re: Mom

I can't disagree with anything you said, but the way you said it somehow rubs me the wrong way.

I think the focus of "suffer the consequences" in this case should be on the "consequences" part, not on the "suffering" part. I think sometimes as members of the church certain individuals (not necessarily saying you) somehow take pleasure if other members of the church SUFFER for their sins because they transgressed, and they keep the major rules most of the time. Be careful in how you judge situations. You need to keep in mind too that this kids dirty laundry has been aired across the nation, and nothing you visit the bishop about gets publicized to the media. You might say "well it was his choice to be a public figure" but that's easy for you to say because it didn't happen to you. What if it was one of your children? Would you want their transgressions to be published to the nation?

I don't fault BYU for suspending Davies, but perhaps they could have said it was for an undisclosed violation of team rules. Because really it's none of our business anyway.

TaipeiModerate
New Haven, CT

SL: I totally agree with you on this. I think that BYU was wrong in handlimg Davies' situation like everyone else's- the normal contingincies allow for enough privacy for the individual violator so that the repentance process is undisturbed and private. I suggest that BYU should have recognized the extreme media backlash, let Brandon sit out with his "quad injury," and formally impose sanctions in private after the season ended.

Cali Coug
Visalia, CA

Re: Sl & Taipei

You are both correct, this is a private matter between those envolved...however, how can we justify lying to protect the privacy of a public figure? The school, under media pressure, announced a student was dismissed from the basketball team for an honor code violation. No more, no less. Details of the violation were not released by the school, but the school did address questions regarding the Honor Code.

As the article stated, we all wish this had never happened...but it did so it is addressed. As a member of the Cougar Nation I hope only the very best for Brandon...if he plays basketball for BYU again does not matter to me; but I do hope he continues his education at BYU, that he graduates from BYU. It is a great school and an honor to be painted True Blue.

roquetman
provo, UT

"Use clean language,Respect others." "obscene or indecent conduct or expressions; disorderly or disruptive conduct."
Those are right out of the honor code so can someone explain why no action was taken against Max Hall when he obviously broke it?

Remember when
St George, UT

RE:TaipeiModerate You mean "lie" to the media? Wow! Actually the "media backlash" has been fairly positive towards the fact that individuals and institutions live by the rules that are set beforehand. It's the posters who don't understand commitment and integrety that are having a difficult time with the whole matter.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

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