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Published: Wednesday, March 2 2011 10:41 a.m. MST

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mkSdd3
Ogden, UT

Special treatment for athletes, who would have guessed.

It is bad at Bingham, but it is even worse at schools in Texas and Florida. These kids learn young to take advantage of the system. We are certainly raising them correctly. NOT

We the People
Sandy, UT

Okay. This student held five people at gun point and orchestrated a robbery. His punishment was community service? Yet we sentence people who possess marijuana to prison? I disagree with both activities, but come on, man! The punishment must fit the crime. This student should be in jail until he is at least 21.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Remember, kids brains are not fully wired until age 21 or older. They are going to make stupid decisions. How long do we black ball them? If they go through the justice system and pay their debt to society then let it go. Look at Michael Vick. He did a very stupid thing and has paid his debt with prison time. Should he have been banned from the NFL forever? I don't think so.

Mount Olympus
Holladay, UT

Re: Dutchman

How can you compare a guy who holds people up at gunpoint with Michael Vick? Everyone knows that holding someone at gunpoint is a serious crime.
Have you ever been to the south? In certain areas people are raised around dog fighting. I'm not saying it is right, but they view it as a sport.

I think vick did his time and should be allowed to play in the NFL. However holding several people at gunpoint should require a lot more jail time than being involved in dog fighting.

Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
Provo, UT

The point Dutchman is that Michael Vick was involves with a lot of illegal activity for years while being a college star and NFL athlete. If people paid more attention or if things were different he might have got some help before he hurt all the dogs and got thrown in prison.

I'll have to read this article. Sounds like a very worthwhile piece of journalism unlike a lot of what is written today.

Hanksboy
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Why is most of this report nothing more than congratulatory pablum about how great the reporters and the media are? Was the D News probibited from publishing much of substance? After wading through all the professional back slapping we finally find out on the second page that one young Utah player has a record. And then we read more about how great the reporting is. One percent substance, 99% ad for SI and CBS.

Cadillac Man
Salt Lake City, Utah

There is nothing wrong with anyone, regardless of their history, moving forward in positive directions. Why do people want to hold someone down because they make mistakes or even choose to violate law? The courts will punish them. This is sufficent. Others do not need to continue and expand their punishment. These people should be allowed to take advantage of whatever society offers them. Any discrimination against someone beyond their court punishment is akin to branding persons with a "yellow ticket of leave".

BeRoby
South Jordan, utah

It is not a great day to be a Miner.

TruthBTold
SLC, UT

You know what they say about "Glass Houses" Chris B.... (see his previous unflattering comments yesterday on BYU's dismissal of Brandon Davies).

I am deeply saddened for ALL of the young men involved in both circustances. It places an uncomfortable spotlight on everyone involved... at Utah and BYU; and an unfortunate black eye on the state and it's athletes.

I truly do not believe that Utah is any different than any other state (even per capita), in this area. Nor do I believe that ANY of these kids are "BAD"--they simply made stupid mistakes that they should have the chance to correct and move on.

I will say that there is a huge, fundamental difference in how each University handles such issues though. Neither of them is right or wrong, just different, based upon the Motto, Structure and Purpose of each University.

I say, STOP THROWING ROCKS at each others Glass Houses, because you never know when one of them is going to ricochet back and hit you in the head!

Simple Man
Riverton, UT

@Dutchman "Remember, kids brains are not fully wired until age 21 or older".

Too many kids' brains are wired...with the knowledge that the system will let them get away with just about anything.

There are some kids that make mistakes in the heat of the moment that truly need as much leniency as can be given.

However, the kids out looking to do mischief know that the system will give them a pass. The system seems incapable of adequately discriminating between the two.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Mount Olympus,

The point is did the kid holding other kids at gun point pay his debt to society or not? Maybe he is paying that price by doing juvenile detention or jail time right now. I don't know the particulars. Once that time is served then he should be allowed to go about his business and if that means getting a college education and playing college football then so be it. People change as they get older, most of the time for the better.

BYU Grad
Alpine, Utah

My congratulations to SI and CBS for some meaningful investigative reporting. Issues that needed to be identified were, and hopefully they will now be addressed in a reasonable manner.

Barack Obama
Phoenix, AZ

If a high school player has paid his debt then what difference does it make to the University? Certainly the University and the coaches should do their due diligence so that they know who they are inviting to represent the school but other than that, its the player's past and he shouldn't have to wear the scarlett letter for the rest of his life.

bikeboy
Boise, ID

I'm just curious: how does that 1-in-14 statistic for college football players compare with college kids in general? And does the 1-in-14 number include ALL police records, including "youthful indiscretions" like underage drinking, tobacco violations, curfew, etc. ... or are 1 in 14 former armed robbers?

(I'm all in favor of giving kids a second chance, but maybe not so much for violent or potentially-violent crimes.)

EgbertThrockmorton
Layton, UT

Part of the Utah culture is to not have consequences for one's actions, whether a student-athlete in high school or as a state legislator. Its the same idiotic cultural behavior that so infects Utah; and that is the real shame of it all.

Me, Myself and I
Blanding, UT

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you would find similar numbers among non-athletes with criminal records in high school/pre college. I think this problem is more a "dumb teenager" problem than any specific sub-group in the same demographic. I can only speak from my personal experience but at my high school the kids who participated in athletics weren't the ones out getting in trouble because their free time was used up at practices and film study and such. It was the kids who didn't have anything to do after school that were always breaking the law and in trouble with the police.

XelaDave
Salem, UT

Lots of interesting issues being lobbed around but the real issue is money- these kids are worth cash to these programs and so what is a little gun charge when we can make big bucks here- nothing new here- this has been one of the dirty little secrets of big time college athletics for years and as long as the NCAA is around and its conception of what athletics is all about- this will be around- these kids are a commodity plain and simple- whether it is in Utah, Texas, Florida, or Outter Mongolia- get them in- use them up- go get some more

HomerSimpson
South Jordan, UT

If this student had been offered an academic scholarship to the UofU no one would have blinked. But because he is a good athlete, different rules seem to apply. Jealousy? Maybe.

The issue is that it was not the same as "adult" criminal activity. The case was moved back to be a juvenile courts, which is a distinct category that comes shrouded in secrecy and privacy due to how we treat young offenders and juveniles in the court system. Until the student is 18 years old there is no way of holding the student to adult standards.

And without criminal convictions, Coach Peck, Jordan School District, Utah HS Athletics - none of them were concerned. Why would they be? No criminal record.

If the coach had have refused to play him due to his background, he would have simply transferred to another school and played somewhere. He would have gotten the scholarship regardless.

BYU is in the news for dealing with Davies in an honor code violation. Like it or not, they stand firm. In the past they were criticized for looking the other way on obvious rule breaking by McMahon & others in the past. You get criticized either way.

sherlock holmes
Roosevelt, UT

Sports does not build character. It tends to reveal it. Davies would probably have not got any kind of disciplinary action at most other institutions. But, BYU has the honor code, and it is correct in holding students to the bar.

Sports has saved many an at-risk kid from going south. Will continue to do so. But can't save them all. If only 10% of college athletes have criminal records, I'm impressed. I'm surprised it isn't higher. It certainly is at some schools, though that's not all bad. Better to see a kid playing sports at a high school or in college than on the streets and unemployed.

SoCalUte
Trabuco Canyon, CA

Not sure why this article focuses on Utah and Bingham High School... Urben Meyer, in his 4 years at Florida, had 16 of his players arrested and put in jail.

As far as this article goes,.. it's hard to say if the punishment fit's the crime if you don't know all of the circumstances. Example; A 16 year old boy might have participated, just to receive acceptance from his cousin and not for the money. But, when he is 18 he wouldn't need that acceptance. Or....maybe the gun was not loaded. This obviously doesn't make it right, but it does reduce the severity of the crime.
The point is, that all of the above opinions that say he should be serving jail time, should take the time to know ALL of the facts before they spout off.

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