This Honor Code is interesting. When the HC Committee gets a report of a
suspected violation do they get it with a name of the person reporting the
violation or is it anonymous? If an accuser is willing to put their name on the
suspected violation and face the accused, the HC Committee should look into it.
If not then consider it as rumor and don't waste your time or the person being
TedH and Fresnogirl said it well. Would you all be quick to make excuses
if Brandon was a 3rd string sub."Oh, dear, this will hurt our sports
dreams lets make an exception"..Each player signs a contract and is
expected to honor it, hence...honor code.So do we, and we recommit to it
fresnogirl, bluecougWell said, well said.It is sad that
people want to minimize honor, integrity, a promise, a committment, truth, a
contract, etc.Stand for Something!Go Cougars!
The bottom line is no one, except the few people involved, knows anything. It's
funny how those who know nothing about such a difficult situation purport to
have answers and presume to have opinions.
If someone wants to live a clean life but knows that they are human and could
make a mistake, why risk going to BYU and get kicked out?
I'm LDS and I would never go to BYU and sign the honor code. Young people make
mistakes all the time and to kick someone out is unchristian.
I cannot understand why people don't get it. He is a public figure, thus the
public becomes aware of it. I am not a public figure, hence the public wouldn't
become aware of my mistakes. Plain and simple. Of course everyone on here,
including myself, is making it even more public.
A private act becomes public knowledge when the person committing it is in a
public position. BYU did the only thing they can do, which is suspend Davies
without naming the act.
crisb;It is a matter honor, integrity and class. You would not understand.
Do yourself a favor and stop trying.
I do not know any of the particulars of this case. The question I
have is by announcing this publicly at this time, will this not brand Brandon
Davies in a way that could have been avoided? Anyone who follows BYU sports, and
even national sports, now know "Brandon Davies violated the Honor
Code." That's a heavy moniker and a heavy load for a young man to bear.Is there a way this could have been done that would help him with whatever
issues he's had, and through a process of corrections/adjustments to be made,
without carrying that much weight? The other issue is his age, being just a
19-year old sophomore. My hope is that these things were considered
prior to this action being taken.
Weber State Graduate You seem to be making the assumption that BYU
and Coach Rose made a knee-jerk reaction without understanding all of the facts.
In truth, there was no "ostensible" violation, because
Brandon voluntarily confessed to exactly what he did and Brandon is fully
prepared to accept the consequences that stem from his actions.Painting by the Numbers What difference does it make if a kid is
suspended for "violating team rules" or suspended for "violating
the BYU Honor Code"?In either case, fans will still be left to
speculate about the actual violation and whether the "punishment fits the
This suspension comes as part of Brandon Davies being a representative of the
University. He is not being unduly punished. By playing for the team, he
represents the university. Since his actions are not in line with what the
university stands for, he was suspended. This is not the same
situation as a regular person making a mistake. This is more akin to Tiger Woods
having his sponsorship pulled after news of his mistakes were revealed. Tiger
represented a company. His actions did not reflect the values of the company, so
he was let go.
fresnogirlThank you for reminding us what "honor"
means.Life is learning from mistakes, which we've all made.It's just unfortunate that BYU athletes have to learn from their honor code
mistakes in the glare of the media.It would be great if BYU athletes
could simply drop off the public radar, deal with their issues, and then return
when they're ready, but that's simply not possible.
I agree with the poster that suggested BYU handle the P.R. for these kind of
things differently in the future. Lots of national schools suspend players for
"team rules violations". That would have been a much more Christian
way to describe whatever happened here.Instead, sometimes it seems
that there are those that savor these heavy-handed judgments. Like they want
people poring over every lascivious detail of the honor code commitments and
that they want people imagining every possible violation -- and then they want
to say 'Booyah! Somebody broke one of those. Whoa! And look what happened!!'Personally it makes me particularly sad every time something is handled
like this. Yes, BYU has a strict code that it commits every student to -- even
the 'media darling athletes'. No, those media darling athletes shouldn't get
"special" consideration. But neither should they receive
"special" intrusions, heavy-handed judgments, and wildly speculative
hypocritical condemnations.Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody. I
don't know what Davies might have done, but I pray that he's able to put it
right despite all the extra difficulty this media circus will have placed in his
For those complaining about the honor code or suggesting that BYU should make
exceptions, I ask: Do you know what the word "honor" means? Why would
you ask a Church school to turn a blind eye? Should the University have a
separate standard for athletes? Karl G. Maesar used to teach that if
you were to draw a circle in the sand and he gave his word to stand inside the
circle and not to leave, then you would not need to guard him because his honor
would keep him in that circle. BYU is standing now in that circle as they are
also honor-bound to live up to that same code of conduct. It is a covenant made
between the students and the university. Students promise to live up to certain
standards and the University promises to educate them and help them become
better individuals, as a result.Having said that, others have
stumbled and recovered to play once more for BYU. Good luck to Davies. Our
hearts remain with you. And good luck to Dave and the team. I will be cheering
for you to rise and meet this new challenge. Go Cougars!
None of us knows exactly what the violation was.None of us knows
what happened behind closed doors as the Honor Code office worked with Brandon
Davies on this. We do not know what was discussed, or how long this issue has
been under review.To say the University is acting in "knee jerk
fashion," or that they University is being "stricter than the
Church" is, well, acting in "knee jerk fashion."Yes,
we should show forgiveness towards Brandon Davies. But don't forget that there
are consequences for our actions. And Mr. Davies must face those consequences.
In this case, that means being suspended from the University and Basketball
team.Again, we don't know what happened to lead up to that
suspension. We don't know if this is something that has been in process for a
long time. So, for those telling BYU not to judge Brandon?Maybe you
shouldn't be so quick to judge BYU.
Most people do not have problems with the honor code it something to be
commended. The problem is with the honor code punishment and how indivuduals
who make mistakes have there mistake posted on CNN, ESPN for the world to mock.
I've read that Davies is still in school for now, so why is he suspended for the
rest of the year? If he is still in school awaiting a decision, shouldn't he be
suspended temporarily, until he is either kicked out of school, and dismissed
from the team, or allowed to stay in school, and if that is the case then he
should be allowed to play on the team. This almost sounds like a knee jerk
reaction by the honor code police!!!!!
bluehusky,Why are BYU's standards stricture than those of the
Church? They aren't. I'm willing to bet Davies friends, teammates,
coaches, bishop, and other leaders of BYU are supporting him, just like your
molly mormons in your ward. Yes - brandon is news. Know why? He
plays for BYU. You prefer for him to just magically disappear and for BYU not
to say anything? Great idea. Or perhaps you suggest we start publishing the
stories of your molly mormons in your ward so they can equally be shamed? The
fact that more people know Brandon doesn't make his punishment different - just
that more people know about it.Guess what - Brandon is also welcome
to attend church - just like your molly mormons. Again the hatred
for all things BYU seriously skews the reasoning skills of some people
Who felt the need to publish this and why?Lame.
I have never been able to figure out why BYU is so different than the Church.
Every member is supposed to "live the honor code". Why can a church
member make a mistake, go to the Bishop and make amends. However, a BYU student
makes a mistake, goes to the Bishop to make amends but also gets kicked out of
school for not following the honor code. Unless it is a criminal act, It should
be handled privately!
Until the facts about this are fully revealed I'll suspend my condemnation of
everyone involved. My faith requires me to forgive everyone if I'm to receive
forgiveness. Right now Brandon and the team and the University need our
support. May this episode playing out in front of the Nation be dealt with
relying on Christlike love by all concerned. Good luck Brandon putting this
behind you. Good luck team playing your best with what you have left on the
court. Good luck BYU handling this situation. I'll see all of you at the games
against New Mexico and Wyoming. How well we do the rest of the year is not as
important as how well one player deals with this adversity and his future. I am
going to miss Brandon the rest of this season. He still can have a wonderful
life regardless of where he plays and whatever this violation was.
My only concern is that when Molly Mormon in Los Angeles gets pregnant in her
senior year, she is supported by the ward (two Mollys in my ward). If someone
becomes addicted to drugs or alcohol, the ward tries to support him or her.
Adultery? Well, you may be excommunicated, but no-one publishes your name, and
you are welcome to attend church.When a BYU athlete violates the
code, he or she becomes news; in the case of Brandon Davies, national news.
Sometimes you are cast out. I know a person who came to BYU on an athletic
scholarship, converted to the church, married, and something happened that has
permanently embittered him. I'm his home teacher, and he is neighbor, but I
can't contact him as a home teacher. I do neighborly things, but can't mention
the church.Because an athlete's violation becomes public news, it
causes additional pain, perhaps beyond the scope of the violation.How many people respond like my neighbor did? Why are BYU's standards stricter
than those of the Church as a whole? Is suspension and dismissal really the best
response to honor code violation?
I'm not sure what the violation was, but this seems like a very severe
punishment if he committed one of the typical indiscretions of youth.
No one expects BYU to compromise their high standards. Such standards are
commendable in a world severely lacking in values.Granted, all the
facts are not known in the Brandon Davies case. However, many seem to forget
that to err is human, to forgive divine. Although the requirement for justice
is appropriate, overzealous punishment is the fodder of a self righteous fool.
There is a big difference between thoughtfully enforcing the honor
code and imposing impetuous and rigid policies of punishment against young
adults prone to making human mistakes. Sanctimony often results in a
common misunderstanding of the terms "justice" and
It is just as easy for an athlete to live the honor code as it is for Joe
bookworm or Mary homemaker. You commit to it and you follow it. Yes we are all
human and we make mistakes. But we are also each responsible for what we say we
will do. And yes, someone has to be the judge and the enforcer. Every code of
honor has a punishment affixed. For all we know Brandon, being the
outstanding young man he is, may have been the one to come forward and tell his
leaders of his infraction. Don't judge his leaders as being the ones who judged
him. You do not know this. It is about HONOR. Brandon is a young man of honor
and will work on this Achilles heal before it takes over his life. I commend
him and look forward to his return.We love you Brandon.
I fully support the Honor Code. Honor in this world is hard to find and I am
glad that BYU will not compromise their clearly stated principles. Not even for
an athlete. Not even when the best basketball team in the schools history is
about to make a big run in the NCAA Tourney and they are probably toast without
him. Good for BYU. Now, with all of that said, I really wish BYU
could find a way to take care of business without making it the lead story on
ESPN and every sports talk show in the country. EVERYONE now knows that Brandon
violated the honor code, which almost for sure means he did something that is
totally acceptable at every other university. Why not just announce that Brandon
has been kicked off the team for violating team rules. That would be completely
true, doesn't give any more information and yet is something that happens at
many other universities. No big deal.Just my $0.02 worth.
The honor code bites gain. TDS will never be a top basketball or
football program with rules that discourage athletes from wanting to play
there.Davies - come up north. You can have fun while in college
like you're supposed to and play ball.And with the Jimmer gone next
year - they team's will likely be about the same.
Did the school commit the violation or did the player? Let's not forget that the
player agreed to the honor code when he enrolled. Part of being human is making
mistakes in life AND LEARNING FROM THEM. I am saddened for the young
man, his team mates, his family, and everyone involved. It comes at a crucial
time when his talents are needed.However, if a school has such an
honor code but never enforces it, where is the honor? We all want perfect kids.
They don't exist. Even the best will stumble once in a while. Let's not let the
honor code stumble, too. I wish the team well, but I also wish
Brandon Davies the best as he overcomes one of life's setbacks. Sometimes
setbacks are self-inflicted, but if we learn from them then we can grow. I hope
he's back playing as soon as he can.
Man, if they could just see their way to add one tiny sentence I would be a BYU
supporter for life.Don't judge other people.
The honor code is not the problem...it's actually a good thing and I wish more
schools had them. Whats disappointing about BYU is the almost fanatical response
to an ostensible violation. Knee-jerk punishment against kids who are young and
human is certainly not a thoughtful way to deal with an honor code
violation...in my humble opinion.