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  • fan29 Orem, UT
    March 3, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    This Honor Code is interesting. When the HC Committee gets a report of a suspected violation do they get it with a name of the person reporting the violation or is it anonymous? If an accuser is willing to put their name on the suspected violation and face the accused, the HC Committee should look into it. If not then consider it as rumor and don't waste your time or the person being reported on.

  • Rock Calgary, Alberta
    March 3, 2011 5:41 a.m.

    TedH and Fresnogirl said it well.
    Would you all be quick to make excuses if Brandon was a 3rd string sub.
    "Oh, dear, this will hurt our sports dreams lets make an exception"..
    Each player signs a contract and is expected to honor it, hence...honor code.
    So do we, and we recommit to it every Sunday.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 2, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    fresnogirl, bluecoug

    Well said, well said.

    It is sad that people want to minimize honor, integrity, a promise, a committment, truth, a contract, etc.

    Stand for Something!

    Go Cougars!

  • troobloo Salem, Utah
    March 2, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    The bottom line is no one, except the few people involved, knows anything. It's funny how those who know nothing about such a difficult situation purport to have answers and presume to have opinions.

  • BigSportsFan!! ogden, ut
    March 2, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    If someone wants to live a clean life but knows that they are human and could make a mistake, why risk going to BYU and get kicked out?

  • BigSportsFan!! ogden, ut
    March 2, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    I'm LDS and I would never go to BYU and sign the honor code. Young people make mistakes all the time and to kick someone out is unchristian.

  • In Arizona Mesa, AZ
    March 2, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    I cannot understand why people don't get it. He is a public figure, thus the public becomes aware of it. I am not a public figure, hence the public wouldn't become aware of my mistakes. Plain and simple. Of course everyone on here, including myself, is making it even more public.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    March 2, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    A private act becomes public knowledge when the person committing it is in a public position. BYU did the only thing they can do, which is suspend Davies without naming the act.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 2, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    crisb;
    It is a matter honor, integrity and class. You would not understand. Do yourself a favor and stop trying.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    March 2, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    I do not know any of the particulars of this case.

    The question I have is by announcing this publicly at this time, will this not brand Brandon Davies in a way that could have been avoided? Anyone who follows BYU sports, and even national sports, now know "Brandon Davies violated the Honor Code." That's a heavy moniker and a heavy load for a young man to bear.
    Is there a way this could have been done that would help him with whatever issues he's had, and through a process of corrections/adjustments to be made, without carrying that much weight? The other issue is his age, being just a 19-year old sophomore.

    My hope is that these things were considered prior to this action being taken.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    March 2, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Weber State Graduate

    You seem to be making the assumption that BYU and Coach Rose made a knee-jerk reaction without understanding all of the facts.

    In truth, there was no "ostensible" violation, because Brandon voluntarily confessed to exactly what he did and Brandon is fully prepared to accept the consequences that stem from his actions.

    Painting by the Numbers

    What difference does it make if a kid is suspended for "violating team rules" or suspended for "violating the BYU Honor Code"?

    In either case, fans will still be left to speculate about the actual violation and whether the "punishment fits the crime".

  • Jakeplays Rexburg, ID
    March 2, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    This suspension comes as part of Brandon Davies being a representative of the University. He is not being unduly punished. By playing for the team, he represents the university. Since his actions are not in line with what the university stands for, he was suspended.

    This is not the same situation as a regular person making a mistake. This is more akin to Tiger Woods having his sponsorship pulled after news of his mistakes were revealed. Tiger represented a company. His actions did not reflect the values of the company, so he was let go.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 2, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    fresnogirl

    Thank you for reminding us what "honor" means.

    Life is learning from mistakes, which we've all made.

    It's just unfortunate that BYU athletes have to learn from their honor code mistakes in the glare of the media.

    It would be great if BYU athletes could simply drop off the public radar, deal with their issues, and then return when they're ready, but that's simply not possible.

  • Painting by the Numbers Spanish Fork, UT
    March 2, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    I agree with the poster that suggested BYU handle the P.R. for these kind of things differently in the future. Lots of national schools suspend players for "team rules violations". That would have been a much more Christian way to describe whatever happened here.

    Instead, sometimes it seems that there are those that savor these heavy-handed judgments. Like they want people poring over every lascivious detail of the honor code commitments and that they want people imagining every possible violation -- and then they want to say 'Booyah! Somebody broke one of those. Whoa! And look what happened!!'

    Personally it makes me particularly sad every time something is handled like this. Yes, BYU has a strict code that it commits every student to -- even the 'media darling athletes'. No, those media darling athletes shouldn't get "special" consideration. But neither should they receive "special" intrusions, heavy-handed judgments, and wildly speculative hypocritical condemnations.

    Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody. I don't know what Davies might have done, but I pray that he's able to put it right despite all the extra difficulty this media circus will have placed in his path.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    March 2, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    For those complaining about the honor code or suggesting that BYU should make exceptions, I ask: Do you know what the word "honor" means? Why would you ask a Church school to turn a blind eye? Should the University have a separate standard for athletes?

    Karl G. Maesar used to teach that if you were to draw a circle in the sand and he gave his word to stand inside the circle and not to leave, then you would not need to guard him because his honor would keep him in that circle. BYU is standing now in that circle as they are also honor-bound to live up to that same code of conduct. It is a covenant made between the students and the university. Students promise to live up to certain standards and the University promises to educate them and help them become better individuals, as a result.

    Having said that, others have stumbled and recovered to play once more for BYU. Good luck to Davies. Our hearts remain with you. And good luck to Dave and the team. I will be cheering for you to rise and meet this new challenge. Go Cougars!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 2, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    None of us knows exactly what the violation was.

    None of us knows what happened behind closed doors as the Honor Code office worked with Brandon Davies on this. We do not know what was discussed, or how long this issue has been under review.

    To say the University is acting in "knee jerk fashion," or that they University is being "stricter than the Church" is, well, acting in "knee jerk fashion."

    Yes, we should show forgiveness towards Brandon Davies. But don't forget that there are consequences for our actions. And Mr. Davies must face those consequences. In this case, that means being suspended from the University and Basketball team.

    Again, we don't know what happened to lead up to that suspension. We don't know if this is something that has been in process for a long time. So, for those telling BYU not to judge Brandon?

    Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge BYU.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    March 2, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Most people do not have problems with the honor code it something to be commended. The problem is with the honor code punishment and how indivuduals who make mistakes have there mistake posted on CNN, ESPN for the world to mock.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    March 2, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    I've read that Davies is still in school for now, so why is he suspended for the rest of the year? If he is still in school awaiting a decision, shouldn't he be suspended temporarily, until he is either kicked out of school, and dismissed from the team, or allowed to stay in school, and if that is the case then he should be allowed to play on the team. This almost sounds like a knee jerk reaction by the honor code police!!!!!

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    March 2, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    bluehusky,

    Why are BYU's standards stricture than those of the Church?

    They aren't. I'm willing to bet Davies friends, teammates, coaches, bishop, and other leaders of BYU are supporting him, just like your molly mormons in your ward.

    Yes - brandon is news. Know why? He plays for BYU. You prefer for him to just magically disappear and for BYU not to say anything? Great idea. Or perhaps you suggest we start publishing the stories of your molly mormons in your ward so they can equally be shamed? The fact that more people know Brandon doesn't make his punishment different - just that more people know about it.

    Guess what - Brandon is also welcome to attend church - just like your molly mormons.

    Again the hatred for all things BYU seriously skews the reasoning skills of some people

  • sports fan Provo, UT
    March 2, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Who felt the need to publish this and why?

    Lame.

  • Come On Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    I have never been able to figure out why BYU is so different than the Church. Every member is supposed to "live the honor code". Why can a church member make a mistake, go to the Bishop and make amends. However, a BYU student makes a mistake, goes to the Bishop to make amends but also gets kicked out of school for not following the honor code. Unless it is a criminal act, It should be handled privately!

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    March 2, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Until the facts about this are fully revealed I'll suspend my condemnation of everyone involved. My faith requires me to forgive everyone if I'm to receive forgiveness. Right now Brandon and the team and the University need our support. May this episode playing out in front of the Nation be dealt with relying on Christlike love by all concerned. Good luck Brandon putting this behind you. Good luck team playing your best with what you have left on the court. Good luck BYU handling this situation. I'll see all of you at the games against New Mexico and Wyoming. How well we do the rest of the year is not as important as how well one player deals with this adversity and his future. I am going to miss Brandon the rest of this season. He still can have a wonderful life regardless of where he plays and whatever this violation was.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 2, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    My only concern is that when Molly Mormon in Los Angeles gets pregnant in her senior year, she is supported by the ward (two Mollys in my ward). If someone becomes addicted to drugs or alcohol, the ward tries to support him or her. Adultery? Well, you may be excommunicated, but no-one publishes your name, and you are welcome to attend church.

    When a BYU athlete violates the code, he or she becomes news; in the case of Brandon Davies, national news. Sometimes you are cast out. I know a person who came to BYU on an athletic scholarship, converted to the church, married, and something happened that has permanently embittered him. I'm his home teacher, and he is neighbor, but I can't contact him as a home teacher. I do neighborly things, but can't mention the church.

    Because an athlete's violation becomes public news, it causes additional pain, perhaps beyond the scope of the violation.

    How many people respond like my neighbor did? Why are BYU's standards stricter than those of the Church as a whole? Is suspension and dismissal really the best response to honor code violation?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 2, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    I'm not sure what the violation was, but this seems like a very severe punishment if he committed one of the typical indiscretions of youth.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    March 2, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    No one expects BYU to compromise their high standards. Such standards are commendable in a world severely lacking in values.

    Granted, all the facts are not known in the Brandon Davies case. However, many seem to forget that to err is human, to forgive divine. Although the requirement for justice is appropriate, overzealous punishment is the fodder of a self righteous fool.

    There is a big difference between thoughtfully enforcing the honor code and imposing impetuous and rigid policies of punishment against young adults prone to making human mistakes.

    Sanctimony often results in a common misunderstanding of the terms "justice" and "punishment."

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    March 2, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    It is just as easy for an athlete to live the honor code as it is for Joe bookworm or Mary homemaker. You commit to it and you follow it. Yes we are all human and we make mistakes. But we are also each responsible for what we say we will do. And yes, someone has to be the judge and the enforcer. Every code of honor has a punishment affixed.

    For all we know Brandon, being the outstanding young man he is, may have been the one to come forward and tell his leaders of his infraction. Don't judge his leaders as being the ones who judged him. You do not know this. It is about HONOR. Brandon is a young man of honor and will work on this Achilles heal before it takes over his life. I commend him and look forward to his return.

    We love you Brandon.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    March 2, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    I fully support the Honor Code. Honor in this world is hard to find and I am glad that BYU will not compromise their clearly stated principles. Not even for an athlete. Not even when the best basketball team in the schools history is about to make a big run in the NCAA Tourney and they are probably toast without him. Good for BYU.

    Now, with all of that said, I really wish BYU could find a way to take care of business without making it the lead story on ESPN and every sports talk show in the country. EVERYONE now knows that Brandon violated the honor code, which almost for sure means he did something that is totally acceptable at every other university. Why not just announce that Brandon has been kicked off the team for violating team rules. That would be completely true, doesn't give any more information and yet is something that happens at many other universities. No big deal.

    Just my $0.02 worth.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    The honor code bites gain.

    TDS will never be a top basketball or football program with rules that discourage athletes from wanting to play there.

    Davies - come up north. You can have fun while in college like you're supposed to and play ball.

    And with the Jimmer gone next year - they team's will likely be about the same.

  • lwc61 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    Did the school commit the violation or did the player? Let's not forget that the player agreed to the honor code when he enrolled. Part of being human is making mistakes in life AND LEARNING FROM THEM.

    I am saddened for the young man, his team mates, his family, and everyone involved. It comes at a crucial time when his talents are needed.

    However, if a school has such an honor code but never enforces it, where is the honor? We all want perfect kids. They don't exist. Even the best will stumble once in a while. Let's not let the honor code stumble, too.

    I wish the team well, but I also wish Brandon Davies the best as he overcomes one of life's setbacks. Sometimes setbacks are self-inflicted, but if we learn from them then we can grow. I hope he's back playing as soon as he can.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    March 2, 2011 7:12 a.m.

    Man, if they could just see their way to add one tiny sentence I would be a BYU supporter for life.

    Don't judge other people.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    March 2, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    The honor code is not the problem...it's actually a good thing and I wish more schools had them. Whats disappointing about BYU is the almost fanatical response to an ostensible violation. Knee-jerk punishment against kids who are young and human is certainly not a thoughtful way to deal with an honor code violation...in my humble opinion.