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Published: Wednesday, March 2 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Utah has a much more diverse economy than in years past. We don't need extractive industries like we used to. We should have the will to set stricter standards for Kennecott's air quality. The wintertime air pollution is getting so bad that both, my wife, and I, would love to relocate our small businesses out of this valley.

Remember the doomsayers who didn't want to close the Geneva plant in Utah County? On some days the air pollution was so bad it would ooze around the point of the mountain into the Salt Lake Valley. Anyone up for re-opening a steel mill in Orem? Just think of all the jobs!

Wasatch Al
West Jordan, UT

One of my biggest gripes about Kennecott is how they tie up the entire Oquirrh Mountain Range. No one is allowed to drive into the mountains for a picnic or a campout. They have complete control over who enters miles and miles of forest. Why do they own an entire mountain range?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

How will the proposed Kennecott expansion increase particulate pollution?

They will be doing the exact thing they are currently doing (digging) just in another place. It seems like we would have about the same amount of particulate pollution as now.

When a mine expands... that doesn't automatically mean they are going to do more work. It usually means they are done digging in one place and want to expand so they can dig in another place... but the effect on the air is the same regardless of where they dig.

But if this proposal is to increase the RATE they are digging... then I can understand why there would be more particulates. Every shovel they turn causes particles in the air. And every machine they operate causes particles in the air.

But is this proposal to increase the number of vehicles and the amount they dig? Or just to expand the footprint of the mine so they can dig in a new area?

When an open_pit_mine moves all the ore in the area they are allowed to dig... they have to expand to new_ground or close_down. They can't stay open and dig air in the old_spot.

LOL
holladay, utah

How sad that just today Salt Lake City was seemed the 9th worst polluted city in America and that nobody wants to believe it so the pollution continues - and is getting worse.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LOL | 10:45 a.m.

#1. Have you looked out your window today? Probably not (since you don't actually live in Utah). The air is perfectly clean and clear today. How do you explain that?

#2. The particulate pollution from Kennecott is not the major contributor to our air problems. Yes... we have them. But shutting down Kennecott would not solve them.

#3. Getting rid of Kennecott will not end our weather inversions (which is the main reason we have so many bad air days).

#4. Doing the things we are already doing (limiting driving during inversions, not using fireplaces or stoves, etc) are the main things we can do to help... shutting down Kennecott would not be a big factor in our ranking.

LOL
holladay, utah

Sorry 2 bits, but according to the American Lung Association, Salt Lake City has the distinction of moving up in rank from the 9th most polluted city in America to 7th and is still climbing.
In other words, a clear day here and there (you can still smell the poison that resembles turpentine) is not a sound argument that the problem does not exist.
Ignoring this travesty does not make the problem go away.
Continued pressure on the industries that are the culprits just may save our children's health and perhaps their lives.

Gary Kunkel
Salt lake city, Ut

2 bits, thanks for the question. The Rio Tinto proposal to DAQ is to extract 32% more rock (197,000,000 tons per year to 260,000,000 tons per year), not just switch places to mine, which is why they need to apply for the clean air exemption. Regarding what will help the most, I believe that reducing pollution from the largest single source will help more than trying to change millions of people's individual behavior(which I agree we should also be doing).
Best, Gary

Liberal Patriot
Holladay, utah

When the Air Quality Index for an area climbs above 100 (ratings range from zero to 500, with zero being the best) it can bring on respiratory problems for people with lung disease, children and older adults. Above 150, everyone can suffer. Air quality, water quality and Superfund sites compiles health and quality-of-living indexes for cities and towns across the country. The other two were derived directly from EPA data: the number of days when AQI exceeded 100 in 2009 (the latest year available), and the EPA's Toxics Release Inventory (TRI). What's TRI? Certain industries, including manufacturing, utilities and metal and coal mining, are required to report to the EPA if they release, recycle, treat or manage any of 650 potentially dangerous chemicals. The areas ranked were based on the EPA's tally of how many pounds were reported released in each MSA. the Salt Lake City area (No. 9) stands out as having the highest number of releases on the TRI list.
Please do what you can to make our children's and our children's lives more healthy for the future. We can no longer allow this pollution.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I hope all you sacrosanct people are happy if Kennecott closes and a LOT of your fellow Utahns become suddenly unemployed. I hope you will be there for them. I have no choice but the help them. But I'd rather they keep their jobs and not need to be unemployed because of your fear of particles.

Some facts to think about...

-In 2009 Kennecott directly employed 2,400 people with an
annual payroll of approximately $250 million, which includes wages, salaries,
pensions and benefits. The average payroll per job (including benefits) of
nearly $93,000 in 2009 makes these among the highest-paid jobs in the state.
In 2009, the direct employment of 2,400 people at KUC and Rio Tinto
business units added 14,800 indirect jobs totaling approximately 17,200 jobs in Utah.
In 2009, over 27,500 Utahnsor about 8,800 householdswere sustained
because of the $900 million dollars of in-state spending by KUC and the Rio
Tinto business units in the Utah economy.

So that's 8,800 households that will loose their living and $900 MILLION of in-state spending lost.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LOL,

You keep dodging the fact that you don't live in Utah (even though your profile says you do. But we all know honesty, obeying the law, etc, are optional when you have a cause that is greater than honesty or the law).

Since you brag about living in California from time to time (hint.. more air pollution than Utah)... what is your interest in ragging on Utah all the time? Why are you so obsessed with us and what WE do????

I think you should worry about conditions in California more (where you live)... and what YOU are doing to improve that... and worry about Utah less.

Gary Kunkel
Salt lake city, Ut

2 bits, no one is proposing "shutting down" Kennecott, just that they maintain current mining operations(rather than expand them) clean them up as they have proposed, and thereby help clean up our air...And cleaning up our air will itself have great economic benefits, in addition to saving lives.

Peace
Holladay, utah

The evidence is in. The EPA and the American Lung Association have put Salt Lake City #7 in the most toxic cities in America category.
It is sad to read the non-stop vitriol from those who cannot accept this terrible fact. Instead of doing what they should be doing to clean up this mess, they are content to sit idly by and level ad hominem barrages on those that are sounding the alarm.
Rest assured there are many, many people in SLC who are doing something about this travesty and care deeply for the future and health of their children and their children's children.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

One above poster just doesn't get it.
If testing nukes in Dugway was proposed and would employed enough people, then we should let them?
The mentality that Corporate America is more important then the majority of the population is wrong.
Of course the corporations health outweighs the publics health.
2,400 jobs is all, and they create 25% of the valleys pollution, and that's acceptable to the poster above.
Priorities are really hard to put in order for conservatives huh.

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