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Pew survey shows intersection of tea party and religion

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 1, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    What's wrong with there being an intersection between members of a Party/movement and religion???

    It doesn't mean they all have to have the same beliefs, just that they recognize that no PARTY... and no candidate... has all knowledge... and they need to seek guidance and inspiration from higher sources. I don't see a problem with that.

    I would hope ALL our political parties have an intersection with religion!

    If they don't... why should I follow them... or support them?

    If a political party claims absolutely no intersection with religion or absolutely no desire for inspiration... why should I follow them? When I know where I'm going better than they do?

    The two major party's claiming no intersection with religion, need to think about what they are saying to the American voters.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    March 1, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Oh yeah, religion is the answer.

    If you want to see how well society governed by religion works I invite you to examine the Middle East.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    You know, they are right.
    Whenever I'm around Tea Party patriots I don't have to worry about offending them when I talk about my relationship with God.
    I love it.
    But when I'm around liberals, I'm afraid to even wish them Merry Christmas.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    The values of freedom's opponents are based on controlling others or being controlled out of fear, fear that someone might stub his toe, make a wrong turn, or make a poor choice. Our Founders established a form of government that liberates man, and frees him from the shackles of personal doubts, or others lack of trust in the abilities of mankind to rise above his own selfish interests or inabilities. This is how America has risen above third world status, not just economically, but to act independently, and the only way it will remain as such.

  • libertarian Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    This is a terribly misleading article, typical for a liberal report. What it NEVER mentions is what the Tea Party actually stands for, a return to the original intent of our founders, the Constitution as originally framed, and basic liberty and individual responsibility, all things that liberals just HATE.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    @Phillip J. Fry

    Your list is ideologically inconsistent. Calling for a stronger military and tax cuts but saying the budget needs to be balanced. Heck, we spent over a trillion dollars last year on the military (700 billion for the defense department and then war supplementals). How much more do you want? China is second in the world at about 120 billion spent for their military each year.

  • Paul Wally Richmond, TX
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    I feel that an effort is being made to try to cause a division by use of ethnic and race and nothing seems to stop this effort. I don't believe it has anything to do with anything except the need for our Government to stop trying to take away our freedoms and spend our money, not their. They don't have any and really need to think about the problems they are causing just to be in power by using hate and lies to control people.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    In my mind, the Bible contains several apt descriptions of the tea party--those who honor God with their lips, but their hearts are far from him; those who come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves; and whited sepulchres. Nothing reminds me of the Pharisees so much as the tea party. Sorry, I'm judging, but I can't help it.

  • skitarghee Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    Big words can still be bigoted. Does the Eastern press think we can't figure out what "unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry" means? Are we, as hopefully, followers of the founding fathers, just the unthinking masses following Christian lies?
    Is it OK to quote another editorial calling the "Tea Party" followers uninformed religious fanatics? I hate having "zealot" being used to describe my beliefs. "Zealots" were originally a Jewish political faction in Jerusalem that used terrorism against the Romans who in retribution bloodily destroyed the ancient city. Are we really blind sheep fomenting a revolution? In the words of John Stossel, "Give me a break".

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    aljmac 3:38 p.m.

    I think you would have a hard time finding any credible study that backs up your assumption that "Independents are running to the Left". I think the 2010 election proves that Independents aren't running to the Left.

    ---

    Most of the Independents I know personally don't run Left OR Right or conform to EITHER partisan_political_label. They have convictions, and hold firmly to some tenants popular with both sides, and some tenants UNPOPULAR with both sides, on various topics, but they don't run to either side whole_hog based on partisan_political_dogma.

    That's what allows them that unique ability to be "Independent".

    ---

    Anybody who claims to speak for all Independents... or claims Independents are running any given direction... doesn't understand Independents very well.

    Think about it...
    Independents are "Independent" precisely because they don't play your Left-vs-Right political game the way you expect everybody to play.

    Independents don't vote as a block (like the party_faithful)... that's why they are assumed to have no political_power to party_coolaid_drinkers. But in reality... the majority is so slim today Independents constitute the deciding margin in MOST races.

  • VoterToBe Meridian, ID
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Hmm, seems we're about 3/4ths of the way there!

    (Quote by Mahatma Gandhi)

  • Sutton Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    "Over at The Atlantic, Wendy Kaminer ruminates that the tea party's "religious inspiration" is bad news."

    Because having values and standing up for what you believe in is somehow bad?

    __________

    It's not that having values and standing up for what you believe in is, "Bad"... it's that The Tea Party seems to have the idea that *their* beliefs, *their* opinions, *their* values, *their* religion are all somehow superior to everyone elses...

    "When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross," Sinclair Lewis

  • aljmac Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    @The Rock

    No, religion is not the problem. The problem is that the Tea Party is an echo chamber. Fellow conservatives are afraid to step up to the Tea Party nonsense and are letting them narrow the GOP tent and hijacking the general conservative message by only portraying the most extreme conservative stance.

    Yes, there are changes that need to be made in government. Yes, spending is out of control. Yes, immigration needs to be addressed.

    As a Republican, I don't like the hyperbole and lack of dialogue from the TP. Even if what you want as a TP is right, how are you going to compromise to move the needle? Or are you going to dig in your heels and accomplish nothing while independents run to the left? The GOP needs to broaden its tent, accept and give voice to moderates, or the party will die because of the stubbornness of the TP. That would be too bad, because at the end of the day, we're fellow conservatives trying largely to do the same thing.

  • zero_limits_33 Eagle mountain, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    @windsor

    As an atheist I would completely agree. Anything that does not withstand scrutiny
    should be tossed aside and replaced with a better system. I think most Atheists/secularists would welcome the challenge. Can the same be said for the religious?

  • zero_limits_33 Eagle mountain, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    @Phillip J Fry

    I like how you frame the argument, if you do not agree with me you are
    a "left wing marxist socialist", that type of bullying does not work on
    anyone remotely intelligent. Both conservatives and liberals have valid points.
    The problem with the conservative movement is a lot of the rhetoric from that
    side has no rational basis and promotes what they claim to despise. I assume when you say traditional family you mean a man and a woman, forgive me if this is incorrect. The only way to have that would require government involvement.
    So are you for less government or only for less government when the policies do not agree with you?

    On a side note, in your initial post you said that you would like "some real subjective coverage instead of coordinated smear campaigns?" I think you mean objective. A smear campaign would be subjective in nature whereas reporting the facts is objective. It is important to be clear when having discussion between opposing views.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Feb. 28, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    RanchHand--"All religious "certitude" should be examined with an ultra-high-power electron microscope."

    As should all secular and atheistic "certitude".

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    This poll doesn't surprised me in the least.

    The extremely religous here in Christian America,
    are no different than Islamic Jihaidists in the Middle East
    - each glorifying a Theocratic State, and continually inter-mixing Religious Laws with Secular Laws.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    So religion is the problem?

    Southern slave owners found it necessary to forbid their slaves from reading the Bible.

    One place in the Book of Mormon it states that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Freedom. That Spirit is what warns us of problems with something that looks and sounds good.

    We can't have people who realize that their rights come from God and not government.

    To liberals, government is their god.

    On another note: The leader of the TEA party is a black female. We have plenty of minority representation in the TEA party here just south of Seattle.

  • Phillip J Fry West Valley City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Here are the Tea Party core beliefs.

    Illegal Aliens Are Here illegally.
    Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
    Stronger Military Is Essential.
    Special Interests Eliminated.
    Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
    Government Must Be Downsized.
    National Budget Must Be Balanced.
    Deficit Spending Will End.
    Bail-out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
    Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
    Reduce Business Income Taxes Is Mandatory.
    Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
    Intrusive Government Stopped.
    English As Core Language Is Required.
    Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

    The above list is only radical to left wing Marxists Socialists. For average citizens is represents a list of values that helped grow our great country into what it is today. Forgive us if don't want a system that is proven to work to be replaced by a system that is proven not to work.

  • Phillip J Fry West Valley City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    aljmac,

    The study had nothing to do with the makeup of the Tea Party. It was about whether or not different idealogical groups agreed with the movement or not.

    The sad part about this study is that it did not verify that the people taking part in the study actually understood what the Tea Party actually believes. There is so much misinformation about the movement by the main stream media, civil rights leaders, union leaders and other left leaning public figures that the people who blindly follow these people will say they disagree with it without actually learning for them selves what the movement actually believes in. Just look up some news articles about the tea party, you will find nothing but conjecture and speculation from people not associated with the movement. Why don't they just go to the source? Probably because their beliefs are not that far outside what a majority of Americans already believe.

  • aljmac Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Phillip J Fry, there's nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe. The problem with the Tea Party's public perception is that its a little too homogeneous. Of course of group of like-minded folks racially, religiously and politically have the same views. Why wouldn't they?

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Of course it's bad news for the left, socialists, communists, anti-liberty, anti-freedom people.

    The left solution to every problem has been to throw more money on it, and somehow that money will make everything okay. It hasn't worked. 10% unemployment is worse than when we started the recession. We were promised by the left that unemployment would never go above 8%. We still haven't seen 8% unemployment in a long time.

    The left is anti-business. Why? Because they want to control and run everything and profit from it. They could never muster the brains and abilities to run a competetive business. So they do what is called "level playing field" which means they take money from others to finance their agenda. All in the name of saving the world and humanity. But they finance to kill unborn children. Is that humanity? They scream that 100,000 lives lost in Iraq, but, turn a blind eye to the Millions of murdered children every year in this country.

    They have some messed up thought processes.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    IMO... most of the problems we face in America are less caused by people having religious inspiration... and more caused by people in the MSM (like Wendy Kaminer) who think religious inspiration is... "Bad News".

    Who cares if the Tea Party people are religious or claim religious inspiration? Isn't that something we are free to do as Americans?

    Since when in this free country is "religious inspiration" used to label you as "sectarian religious extremists"?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    This quote "We don't have time for the unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry." applies equally to liberal as well as conservative religious peoples.

    Did you see anywhere in the quote that it distinguishes between the two? No.

    All religious "certitude" should be examined with an ultra-high-power electron microscope.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Well since Tea Partiers are derived from the conservative wing of the Republican party one would expect them to be demographically like a Republican National Convention.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    To Wayne Rout: the problem is that politicians have done what they have done throughout the ages....and that is used religion as the tool to promote fear in the masses. Happens not only in the Middle East but here as well. It just so happens that they are using the Republican Party and "fear" to get people to vote for them.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    Yes, Independent, they should. However, don't expect serious self introspection from a liberal. Demagoguery indeed.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    'The same tea party that elicits such staunch support from white evangelical Christians is also anathema to Jews, black Protestants and atheists, according to a new survey from the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.' - Article

    Too bad the article didn't mention any black MEMBERS of the tea party.

    Perhaps another letter from Mark Williams, then speaker for the tea party, sending a letter to the NAACP from the 'coloreds'?

    If the intent of this article was supposed to show how inclusive the Tea Party is...it failed.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    "We don't have time for the unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry."

    Why are African-American Protestants, who support the Democratic Party in far greater percentages than white evangelicals support the Tea Party, not accused of unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry? Shouldn't the same standard apply to them?

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    The problem is NOT that politicians are too religious, rather, it is that the typical liberal is anti-religion, anti-family, anti-business.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    "We don't have time for the unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry."

    Amen (if I may say so).

  • Phillip J Fry West Valley City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    "Over at The Atlantic, Wendy Kaminer ruminates that the tea party's "religious inspiration" is bad news."

    Because having values and standing up for what you believe in is somehow bad?

    It's only bad news because people are standing up to their version of how the world should be governed. It's bad news because they're scared the tea party message is powerful enough to reverse decades of their "work" in a few short years. It's bad news because if they're successful in limiting government and reforming social programs that their funding will take a major hit.

    All the media does is bash the Tea Party. None of the main stream media ever does anything to cover what they actually stand for without seriously misrepresenting the movement. How about some real subjective coverage instead of coordinated smear campaigns?