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Published: Monday, Feb. 28 2011 10:37 a.m. MST

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Phillip J Fry
West Valley City, Utah

"Over at The Atlantic, Wendy Kaminer ruminates that the tea party's "religious inspiration" is bad news."

Because having values and standing up for what you believe in is somehow bad?

It's only bad news because people are standing up to their version of how the world should be governed. It's bad news because they're scared the tea party message is powerful enough to reverse decades of their "work" in a few short years. It's bad news because if they're successful in limiting government and reforming social programs that their funding will take a major hit.

All the media does is bash the Tea Party. None of the main stream media ever does anything to cover what they actually stand for without seriously misrepresenting the movement. How about some real subjective coverage instead of coordinated smear campaigns?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"We don't have time for the unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry."

Amen (if I may say so).

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

The problem is NOT that politicians are too religious, rather, it is that the typical liberal is anti-religion, anti-family, anti-business.

Independent
Henderson, NV

"We don't have time for the unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry."

Why are African-American Protestants, who support the Democratic Party in far greater percentages than white evangelicals support the Tea Party, not accused of unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry? Shouldn't the same standard apply to them?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'The same tea party that elicits such staunch support from white evangelical Christians is also anathema to Jews, black Protestants and atheists, according to a new survey from the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.' - Article

Too bad the article didn't mention any black MEMBERS of the tea party.

Perhaps another letter from Mark Williams, then speaker for the tea party, sending a letter to the NAACP from the 'coloreds'?

If the intent of this article was supposed to show how inclusive the Tea Party is...it failed.

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

Yes, Independent, they should. However, don't expect serious self introspection from a liberal. Demagoguery indeed.

EJM
Herriman, UT

To Wayne Rout: the problem is that politicians have done what they have done throughout the ages....and that is used religion as the tool to promote fear in the masses. Happens not only in the Middle East but here as well. It just so happens that they are using the Republican Party and "fear" to get people to vote for them.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Well since Tea Partiers are derived from the conservative wing of the Republican party one would expect them to be demographically like a Republican National Convention.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

This quote "We don't have time for the unexamined certitudes of religious zealotry." applies equally to liberal as well as conservative religious peoples.

Did you see anywhere in the quote that it distinguishes between the two? No.

All religious "certitude" should be examined with an ultra-high-power electron microscope.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

IMO... most of the problems we face in America are less caused by people having religious inspiration... and more caused by people in the MSM (like Wendy Kaminer) who think religious inspiration is... "Bad News".

Who cares if the Tea Party people are religious or claim religious inspiration? Isn't that something we are free to do as Americans?

Since when in this free country is "religious inspiration" used to label you as "sectarian religious extremists"?

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Of course it's bad news for the left, socialists, communists, anti-liberty, anti-freedom people.

The left solution to every problem has been to throw more money on it, and somehow that money will make everything okay. It hasn't worked. 10% unemployment is worse than when we started the recession. We were promised by the left that unemployment would never go above 8%. We still haven't seen 8% unemployment in a long time.

The left is anti-business. Why? Because they want to control and run everything and profit from it. They could never muster the brains and abilities to run a competetive business. So they do what is called "level playing field" which means they take money from others to finance their agenda. All in the name of saving the world and humanity. But they finance to kill unborn children. Is that humanity? They scream that 100,000 lives lost in Iraq, but, turn a blind eye to the Millions of murdered children every year in this country.

They have some messed up thought processes.

aljmac
Salt Lake City, UT

Phillip J Fry, there's nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe. The problem with the Tea Party's public perception is that its a little too homogeneous. Of course of group of like-minded folks racially, religiously and politically have the same views. Why wouldn't they?

Phillip J Fry
West Valley City, Utah

aljmac,

The study had nothing to do with the makeup of the Tea Party. It was about whether or not different idealogical groups agreed with the movement or not.

The sad part about this study is that it did not verify that the people taking part in the study actually understood what the Tea Party actually believes. There is so much misinformation about the movement by the main stream media, civil rights leaders, union leaders and other left leaning public figures that the people who blindly follow these people will say they disagree with it without actually learning for them selves what the movement actually believes in. Just look up some news articles about the tea party, you will find nothing but conjecture and speculation from people not associated with the movement. Why don't they just go to the source? Probably because their beliefs are not that far outside what a majority of Americans already believe.

Phillip J Fry
West Valley City, Utah

Here are the Tea Party core beliefs.

Illegal Aliens Are Here illegally.
Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
Stronger Military Is Essential.
Special Interests Eliminated.
Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
Government Must Be Downsized.
National Budget Must Be Balanced.
Deficit Spending Will End.
Bail-out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
Reduce Business Income Taxes Is Mandatory.
Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
Intrusive Government Stopped.
English As Core Language Is Required.
Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

The above list is only radical to left wing Marxists Socialists. For average citizens is represents a list of values that helped grow our great country into what it is today. Forgive us if don't want a system that is proven to work to be replaced by a system that is proven not to work.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

So religion is the problem?

Southern slave owners found it necessary to forbid their slaves from reading the Bible.

One place in the Book of Mormon it states that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Freedom. That Spirit is what warns us of problems with something that looks and sounds good.

We can't have people who realize that their rights come from God and not government.

To liberals, government is their god.

On another note: The leader of the TEA party is a black female. We have plenty of minority representation in the TEA party here just south of Seattle.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

This poll doesn't surprised me in the least.

The extremely religous here in Christian America,
are no different than Islamic Jihaidists in the Middle East
- each glorifying a Theocratic State, and continually inter-mixing Religious Laws with Secular Laws.

windsor
City, Ut

RanchHand--"All religious "certitude" should be examined with an ultra-high-power electron microscope."

As should all secular and atheistic "certitude".

zero_limits_33
Eagle mountain, UT

@Phillip J Fry

I like how you frame the argument, if you do not agree with me you are
a "left wing marxist socialist", that type of bullying does not work on
anyone remotely intelligent. Both conservatives and liberals have valid points.
The problem with the conservative movement is a lot of the rhetoric from that
side has no rational basis and promotes what they claim to despise. I assume when you say traditional family you mean a man and a woman, forgive me if this is incorrect. The only way to have that would require government involvement.
So are you for less government or only for less government when the policies do not agree with you?

On a side note, in your initial post you said that you would like "some real subjective coverage instead of coordinated smear campaigns?" I think you mean objective. A smear campaign would be subjective in nature whereas reporting the facts is objective. It is important to be clear when having discussion between opposing views.

zero_limits_33
Eagle mountain, UT

@windsor

As an atheist I would completely agree. Anything that does not withstand scrutiny
should be tossed aside and replaced with a better system. I think most Atheists/secularists would welcome the challenge. Can the same be said for the religious?

aljmac
Salt Lake City, UT

@The Rock

No, religion is not the problem. The problem is that the Tea Party is an echo chamber. Fellow conservatives are afraid to step up to the Tea Party nonsense and are letting them narrow the GOP tent and hijacking the general conservative message by only portraying the most extreme conservative stance.

Yes, there are changes that need to be made in government. Yes, spending is out of control. Yes, immigration needs to be addressed.

As a Republican, I don't like the hyperbole and lack of dialogue from the TP. Even if what you want as a TP is right, how are you going to compromise to move the needle? Or are you going to dig in your heels and accomplish nothing while independents run to the left? The GOP needs to broaden its tent, accept and give voice to moderates, or the party will die because of the stubbornness of the TP. That would be too bad, because at the end of the day, we're fellow conservatives trying largely to do the same thing.

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