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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 1, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Again... What bill do ALL the people agree is the answer???

    If the letter writer could answer that question... we may know what he is talking about.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    March 1, 2011 6:46 a.m.

    RE: procuradorfiscal | 12:59 p.m. Feb. 28, 2011

    They did not force people to buy bigger homes then they could afford.
    They did not force people to get second and third morgages on our homes so that we could live it up.
    They did not force people to max out their credit cards.
    They did not force the banks to buy up bad morgages on a gamble.
    They did not force wallstreet to treat investments like a trip to vegas.
    They did not raise the price of gasoline so high, which lead to everything else also costing more
    They did not decide that we should take our food (corn) and turn it into gasoline, which also lead to the price of food going up.
    They did not rob us of several trillion dollars like the banks and wallstreet a few years ago, and then rub it in our face by spending it on christmas bonuses and vacations to the bahamas.
    They are not the terrorist that lead us to two costly wars.
    NO, we are the ones who lite our own home on fire.
    They just want a few apples to feed their starving families. they can have them.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    It all starts at protecting the borders. We don't do it. Neither do we have a reasonable guest worker program anymore. The massive influx of millions of illegals is our nations fault. Now that these people have been allowed to come and their children have been raised here the solution is no longer as simple as massive deportation.
    Meanwhile for safety purposes we need "illegal"people who know how to drive and can get licenses. We need people "illegal" people who are allowed to educate themselves so they can be a benefit and not a burden to our society.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Feb. 28, 2011 5:33 p.m.

    I'd like to send a question to all the lawmakers or any other brilliant soul that can explain to me how this ends well. What a blessing for the criminal illegal's and the ones that hide them in Utah. Now their State House passes a amended bill repealing Utah college tuition for illegal immigrants, then at the same time, "out of the mouth of babes", illegal immigrant college students would still be able to get resident tuition if they or their parents can show they have paid income taxes for three years. Bill sponsor, Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman, said it's not unreasonable for the state to require illegal immigrants to demonstrate they pay taxes in order to obtain the tuition benefit. The U.S. dollar index traded lower and hit a fresh four-month low. The greenback has also not seen safe-haven buying interest it had enjoyed during past geopolitical unrest. So some "fruit-cake" RINO in Utah wants to keep the illegal's around, as if they are his pet chia pets, watering them, feeding them, when currently, 643 noncitizen students attend Utah colleges and universities. "I STILL SAY", report, let ICE deport.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    LDS Liberal | 3:45 p.m.

    We know our State Laws share some of the blame. The Legislature is in the process of CHANGING our State Laws. When we have laws that make the illegal seem acceptable... that's when CHANGE... is good.

    But you have to admit that our FEDERAL enforcement of Federal Immigration Law is partially to blame. States wouldn't even be needing to address these type of issues if the FEDERAL Government would take Immigration Law seriously.

    I know they are doing better now... but many feel it's too little, too late.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    I have to continue laughing....

    Utah laws allow Driver's Licenses to undocumented workers.
    Utah laws allow a business to have up to 10 undocumented workers.

    And you complain about the influx of undocumented workers?!!

    You have no one to blame but our own State laws.

  • Gus Talwynd Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Bryan | 1:29 a.m. Feb. 28, 2011 Syracuse, UT

    "The people have long demanded that aliens obey our laws. The people have been silent long enough as illegal aliens have overwhelmed our state. The people now demand accountability, and that our lawmakers punish those that openly violate our laws."

    Overwhelmed? Did you say, "Overwhelmed"?

    And what "illegal aliens" are you talking about specifically? From Mars? What about the Thetans. You know they're all around us, dressing up like humans so we don't know who is who. And who's to say what laws they obey?

    Or are you talking about Pod People. We understand they behave much like your Utah neighbors. The only way you could detect them is to look for the burned remains of the pod.

    Perhaps someone you don't like moved into your neighborhood. I can see how this might be overwhelming.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    ugottabkidn | 1:10 p.m.

    You asked... "Maybe you could tell me how you enforce their laws without harrassing citizens that happen to resemble the undocumented".

    Question... Have you read the Utah bill?

    Doesn't seem like it. It isn't the Arizona bill... it doesn't give police the right to question immigration status on the street. It just mandates they check the status of people who are arrested. So... if you don't break the law and get arrested for something else... nothing has changed.

    I know it's standard procedure to try to paint illegal immigration enforcement as "Racist"... but in this case it just doesn't work!

    You should read the bill.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Re: "BTW...I prefer democracy to a Utah-style republic."

    There is such a place -- Somalia's Puntland province. Where the biggest gang wins.

    Feel free to immigrate there. They have no immigration law to run afoul of. But you better take along a good-sized gang. Otherwise, you'll be in the minority, which in a true democracy has no rights whatever.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    I suspect that a majority of white males in Utah want an Arizona-style immigration law.

    Meanwhile a larger majority of white women, Latinos and a few white males want a fairer, balanced law providing for work permits, pathway to citizenship and DREAM-act types of provisions.

    Thus we see the legislature (made up of mostly white males) pushing through provisions of an Arizona-style law.

    Meanwhile the larger majority is not represented.

    BTW...I prefer democracy to a Utah-style republic.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    When talking about Arizona immigration laws remember that State officials have a vested interest in the for profit prisons which would benefit from enforcement. Maybe you could tell me how you enforce their laws without harrassing citizens that happen to resemble the undocumented. As it stands now all you can do is round em all up and see how long it takes to sort it all out while the private prisons rakes it in. See it is about the money.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    Hating the furriners is one of the telltale signs of fascism.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    Re: "It's like worr[y]ing about some guy taking apples off of your tree, while your house is burning down."

    In this case, that guy is the one that burnt the house down.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    I'm not sure that anyone is saying we need more legal immigrations. The US already gives out a million visas each year. How many more legal immigrants are needed? Two million? Ten million? One hundred million?

    What I do think people are saying is that the US should be the one to decide how many people immigrate into the US each year and which people are allowed in. Is there a need for agricultural workers for positions that aren't being filled? Then work through that program. More assembly workers? More butchers? More programmers? Fine. Then work through the existing programs. But the US should be the one to judge an immigrant fit for entry. Proximity to the border isn't the answer.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Until those who claim to support legal immigration actually do something to support legal immigration I suspect their claims. If all they do is punish, blame, and scapegoat I sense a darker motive.

    It is clear that most of us want more legals.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Just like the Nazi scapegoated the minority illegal immigrant Romanian Gypsies for crippling the German economy and sent them to the gas chambers, all the while the Nazi armies gutted National the treasuries.

    Same story, different day.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    The commercial interests of the conservative republicans in Utah drive the agenda of the Utah state government. That means that everything the state and the commercial interests in the state define everything in terms of dollars and cents. With profit the ultimate and sometimes solitary goal.

    The problem of uncontrolled immigration is that the commercial interests are using it to cheat in the competition between labor and business. Immigration provides an oversupply of labor and more consumers, both of which is businesses delight.

    Farmers seem to have never gotten over the lose of slave labor and refuse to pay proper wages for a day's work. Farmers prey upon the illegal, uneducated, unprotected, people of poverty who will do anything to stay alive. The claim themselves of superior character over ordinary people.

    If America is to be a nation of ordinary people, we have to stop the conservative republicans from making it into a feudal fiefdom like our ancestors ran away from.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    In an effort to check the validity of the statement that says 70% of Utahns favor work permits for illegal aliens I found the following:

    Seventy-one percent support creating a state-issued work permit for undocumented immigrants to allow them to stay here if they have a job and agree to a criminal background check. Des News article about the pole.

    The editorial and other propaganda sources tell readers that 70% of Uahns favor work permits, however they leave out the "if they have a job and agree to a criminal background check".

    I feel the editorial and the poll are flawed and defeat the cause of Democracy in Utah.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    I think I would rather follow Arizona, over following the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. I know which one is more likely to have my rights in mind, versus making a profit. I really can't believe the Chamber is doing this for humanitarian reasons.

  • Question Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    Keith Lawrence,

    When you say, "stand behind measures endorsed by the majority of their constituents"... Can you tell us what bill or measure that would be?

    Is it the "Do Nothing" bill?

    Do you think the majority of their constituents like the way illegal immigration is currently being handled? I don't.

    What bill currently being considered is "endorsed by the majority of their constituents", as you put it?

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    I agree, we have bigger problems then illigal immigration.
    Its like worring about some guy taking apples off of your tree, while your house is burning down.
    I believe the answer is to make it easier to become a citizen.
    I do find it interesting that right after our government spent trillions of dollars bailing out wallstreet and banks, that suddenly our attention was diverted to scapegoating mexican nationals for all of our countries ills.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:53 a.m.

    Arizona's laws were patterned after our Federal laws that provide enforcement for immigration, nothing hard headed about that. Parts of it were blocked on the grounds of foreign diplomacy. It's in an appeals court now, and will probably see the Supreme Court.

    Only honest legal immigration is fair to everyone.

    Sandstroms laws are far from Arizona's laws, only only needs to take the time to compare them. A quick analysis of the Utah compact shows it does not mention or deal with the problem of illegal immigration. It's meant as propaganda to confuse by ignoring the problem, and making statements that most people can agree with.

    Orwellian doubletalk.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:29 a.m.

    The people have long demanded that aliens obey our laws. The people have been silent long enough as illegal aliens have overwhelmed our state. The people now demand accountability, and that our lawmakers punish those that openly violate our laws.