Again... What bill do ALL the people agree is the answer???If the
letter writer could answer that question... we may know what he is talking
RE: procuradorfiscal | 12:59 p.m. Feb. 28, 2011 They did not force
people to buy bigger homes then they could afford. They did not force
people to get second and third morgages on our homes so that we could live it
up.They did not force people to max out their credit cards. They did
not force the banks to buy up bad morgages on a gamble. They did not
force wallstreet to treat investments like a trip to vegas. They did not
raise the price of gasoline so high, which lead to everything else also costing
moreThey did not decide that we should take our food (corn) and turn it
into gasoline, which also lead to the price of food going up.They did not
rob us of several trillion dollars like the banks and wallstreet a few years
ago, and then rub it in our face by spending it on christmas bonuses and
vacations to the bahamas.They are not the terrorist that lead us to two
costly wars.NO, we are the ones who lite our own home on fire.They
just want a few apples to feed their starving families. they can have them.
It all starts at protecting the borders. We don't do it. Neither do we have a
reasonable guest worker program anymore. The massive influx of millions of
illegals is our nations fault. Now that these people have been allowed to come
and their children have been raised here the solution is no longer as simple as
massive deportation.Meanwhile for safety purposes we need
"illegal"people who know how to drive and can get licenses. We need
people "illegal" people who are allowed to educate themselves so they
can be a benefit and not a burden to our society.
I'd like to send a question to all the lawmakers or any other brilliant soul
that can explain to me how this ends well. What a blessing for the criminal
illegal's and the ones that hide them in Utah. Now their State House passes a
amended bill repealing Utah college tuition for illegal immigrants, then at the
same time, "out of the mouth of babes", illegal immigrant college
students would still be able to get resident tuition if they or their parents
can show they have paid income taxes for three years. Bill sponsor, Rep. Carl
Wimmer, R-Herriman, said it's not unreasonable for the state to require illegal
immigrants to demonstrate they pay taxes in order to obtain the tuition benefit.
The U.S. dollar index traded lower and hit a fresh four-month low. The
greenback has also not seen safe-haven buying interest it had enjoyed during
past geopolitical unrest. So some "fruit-cake" RINO in Utah wants to
keep the illegal's around, as if they are his pet chia pets, watering them,
feeding them, when currently, 643 noncitizen students attend Utah colleges and
universities. "I STILL SAY", report, let ICE deport.
LDS Liberal | 3:45 p.m.We know our State Laws share some of the
blame. The Legislature is in the process of CHANGING our State Laws. When we
have laws that make the illegal seem acceptable... that's when CHANGE... is
good.But you have to admit that our FEDERAL enforcement of Federal
Immigration Law is partially to blame. States wouldn't even be needing to
address these type of issues if the FEDERAL Government would take Immigration
Law seriously.I know they are doing better now... but many feel it's
too little, too late.
I have to continue laughing....Utah laws allow Driver's Licenses to
undocumented workers.Utah laws allow a business to have up to 10
undocumented workers.And you complain about the influx of
undocumented workers?!!You have no one to blame but our own State
Bryan | 1:29 a.m. Feb. 28, 2011 Syracuse, UT "The people have
long demanded that aliens obey our laws. The people have been silent long enough
as illegal aliens have overwhelmed our state. The people now demand
accountability, and that our lawmakers punish those that openly violate our
laws." Overwhelmed? Did you say, "Overwhelmed"?And what "illegal aliens" are you talking about specifically?
From Mars? What about the Thetans. You know they're all around us, dressing up
like humans so we don't know who is who. And who's to say what laws they
obey?Or are you talking about Pod People. We understand they behave
much like your Utah neighbors. The only way you could detect them is to look
for the burned remains of the pod.Perhaps someone you don't like
moved into your neighborhood. I can see how this might be overwhelming.
ugottabkidn | 1:10 p.m.You asked... "Maybe you could tell me
how you enforce their laws without harrassing citizens that happen to resemble
the undocumented".Question... Have you read the Utah bill?Doesn't seem like it. It isn't the Arizona bill... it doesn't give
police the right to question immigration status on the street. It just mandates
they check the status of people who are arrested. So... if you don't break the
law and get arrested for something else... nothing has changed.I
know it's standard procedure to try to paint illegal immigration enforcement as
"Racist"... but in this case it just doesn't work! You
should read the bill.
Re: "BTW...I prefer democracy to a Utah-style republic."There is such a place -- Somalia's Puntland province. Where the biggest gang
wins.Feel free to immigrate there. They have no immigration law to
run afoul of. But you better take along a good-sized gang. Otherwise, you'll
be in the minority, which in a true democracy has no rights whatever.
I suspect that a majority of white males in Utah want an Arizona-style
immigration law.Meanwhile a larger majority of white women, Latinos
and a few white males want a fairer, balanced law providing for work permits,
pathway to citizenship and DREAM-act types of provisions.Thus we see
the legislature (made up of mostly white males) pushing through provisions of an
Arizona-style law.Meanwhile the larger majority is not
represented.BTW...I prefer democracy to a Utah-style republic.
When talking about Arizona immigration laws remember that State officials have a
vested interest in the for profit prisons which would benefit from enforcement.
Maybe you could tell me how you enforce their laws without harrassing citizens
that happen to resemble the undocumented. As it stands now all you can do is
round em all up and see how long it takes to sort it all out while the private
prisons rakes it in. See it is about the money.
Hating the furriners is one of the telltale signs of fascism.
Re: "It's like worr[y]ing about some guy taking apples off of your tree,
while your house is burning down."In this case, that guy is the
one that burnt the house down.
I'm not sure that anyone is saying we need more legal immigrations. The US
already gives out a million visas each year. How many more legal immigrants are
needed? Two million? Ten million? One hundred million?What I do
think people are saying is that the US should be the one to decide how many
people immigrate into the US each year and which people are allowed in. Is
there a need for agricultural workers for positions that aren't being filled?
Then work through that program. More assembly workers? More butchers? More
programmers? Fine. Then work through the existing programs. But the US should
be the one to judge an immigrant fit for entry. Proximity to the border isn't
Until those who claim to support legal immigration actually do something to
support legal immigration I suspect their claims. If all they do is punish,
blame, and scapegoat I sense a darker motive.It is clear that most
of us want more legals.
Just like the Nazi scapegoated the minority illegal immigrant Romanian Gypsies
for crippling the German economy and sent them to the gas chambers, all the
while the Nazi armies gutted National the treasuries.Same story,
The commercial interests of the conservative republicans in Utah drive the
agenda of the Utah state government. That means that everything the state and
the commercial interests in the state define everything in terms of dollars and
cents. With profit the ultimate and sometimes solitary goal. The
problem of uncontrolled immigration is that the commercial interests are using
it to cheat in the competition between labor and business. Immigration provides
an oversupply of labor and more consumers, both of which is businesses delight.
Farmers seem to have never gotten over the lose of slave labor and
refuse to pay proper wages for a day's work. Farmers prey upon the illegal,
uneducated, unprotected, people of poverty who will do anything to stay alive.
The claim themselves of superior character over ordinary people. If
America is to be a nation of ordinary people, we have to stop the conservative
republicans from making it into a feudal fiefdom like our ancestors ran away
In an effort to check the validity of the statement that says 70% of Utahns
favor work permits for illegal aliens I found the following:Seventy-one percent support creating a state-issued work permit for
undocumented immigrants to allow them to stay here if they have a job and agree
to a criminal background check. Des News article about the pole. The editorial and other propaganda sources tell readers that 70% of Uahns
favor work permits, however they leave out the "if they have a job and
agree to a criminal background check".I feel the editorial and
the poll are flawed and defeat the cause of Democracy in Utah.
I think I would rather follow Arizona, over following the Salt Lake Chamber of
Commerce. I know which one is more likely to have my rights in mind, versus
making a profit. I really can't believe the Chamber is doing this for
Keith Lawrence,When you say, "stand behind measures endorsed by
the majority of their constituents"... Can you tell us what bill or
measure that would be? Is it the "Do Nothing" bill?Do you think the majority of their constituents like the way illegal
immigration is currently being handled? I don't.What bill currently
being considered is "endorsed by the majority of their constituents",
as you put it?
I agree, we have bigger problems then illigal immigration. Its like
worring about some guy taking apples off of your tree, while your house is
burning down. I believe the answer is to make it easier to become a
citizen.I do find it interesting that right after our government spent
trillions of dollars bailing out wallstreet and banks, that suddenly our
attention was diverted to scapegoating mexican nationals for all of our
Arizona's laws were patterned after our Federal laws that provide enforcement
for immigration, nothing hard headed about that. Parts of it were blocked on the
grounds of foreign diplomacy. It's in an appeals court now, and will probably
see the Supreme Court. Only honest legal immigration is fair to
everyone. Sandstroms laws are far from Arizona's laws, only only
needs to take the time to compare them. A quick analysis of the Utah compact
shows it does not mention or deal with the problem of illegal immigration. It's
meant as propaganda to confuse by ignoring the problem, and making statements
that most people can agree with.Orwellian doubletalk.
The people have long demanded that aliens obey our laws. The people have been
silent long enough as illegal aliens have overwhelmed our state. The people now
demand accountability, and that our lawmakers punish those that openly violate