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  • ArizonaInvestor Gilbert, AZ
    May 25, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    I live in Arizona. Over 800 miles of our land has been given over to the illegal immigrants and the Mexican drug cartel. We are not allowed to enter "their territory" at the peril of risking our lives. Arizona is #2 in the world for kidnapping- right behind Mexico City which is #1. My husband and my son have both had their identities stolen. Arizona ranks very high in identity theft thanks to illegal immigrants.

    I think it is a sad day in America when the legal citizens have to fear for their lives and the lives of their families because illegal immigrants are given more rights then we are. If an illegal alien goes to Mexico- they get thrown out the 1st time and fined $10,000 for the 2nd offense.

    We welcome illegals with open arms- give them free health care, free food stamps, free everything while we can't even pay for our own health care any more. Our Constitution is already hanging by a thread. How many liberties do we have to lose because of people that want to give away our rights?

  • Iggy Moreno Valley, CA
    May 25, 2011 12:43 a.m.

    Article of Faith 12 states: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in cobeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

    I agree with:

    The Churchs position is based on three basic principles:

    The commandment to love thy neighbor.
    The importance of keeping families intact.
    The federal governments obligation to secure its borders.

    I also agree that our neighbor needs to obey and sustain our laws to protect themselves, protect others, give opportunities to those that come here legally, prevent more filling of our prisons, schools, and hospitals (wasting our tax dollars and creating a slowing of American growth in production); thus keeping their families intact in their original country, and helping us try to secure our border.

    Deportation is not a problem with me. That will cause a vacuum of open jobs for Americans, and hopefully a faster process for effective immigration reform. The cost of deportation of 20 million illegals could not be more than the billions spent on supporting illegals in all social supports they receive right now. Utah is not California; it is easy to say let them stay when it is not affecting you as it is us.

  • CherRic Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    We should pass measures that make it less difficult and less expensive to come here legally. It is very difficult and expensive to come here legally, too expensive for most who want to come, creating a vicious cycle of despair for those who try.
    I knew a young man who came on a special visa of some kind. He carefully saved $1000 to pay some fee, which was promptly lost. There was no apology or attempt to locate the money. This created serious problems for the young man as his visa was soon to expire and he could not get the needed $1000 in time.
    Those who feel strongly about immigration owe it to themselves to investigate the red tape and expense of becoming legal, then their suggestions of having people come here legally would be more specific and useful.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Illegal aliens are being portrayed simply as humble workers when, arguably, the vast majority of them disrespect American laws, values, and sovereignty, and undermine the integrity and strength of the country by their lack of allegiance to the U.S. flag. The majority of them commit fraud and perjury and steal our jobs and our children's Social Security numbers.

    The purveyors of The HB116 guest worker bill -- which ultimately passed, partly as a result of the campaign of which this editorial was a part -- claim that it is intended to deal with illegal aliens CURRENTLY in Utah.

    But this is only part of the truth. On line 778 of HB116 is a clause which essentially welcomes those who have EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their lifetimes prior to May 10, 2011, to RETURN to Utah.

    How is THAT necessary or justified, I ask?

    The answer, in my opinion, is that the true purpose of HB116 is to maintain and expand a subclass of non-citizen laborers for Utah businessmen who do not want to pay their fellow American citizens a fair wage, and about Utah congregations maintaining and increasing membership and donation numbers.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    I am glad "The Utah Compact" isn't mentioned in this editorial. It doesn't fit with the group of immigration bills passed, as they reject the 1st principle of it.

    The Utah Compact has been used like a sledgehammer to bash people over the head with, and contained in it, there is no solution.

    This article has a civil tone. One that has seemed to allude those that have been trying to influence the discussion.

    HB 497 "Utah Illegal Immigration Enforcement Act", has the best chance of solving the immigration situation. More focus should be on it, rather that the others.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    March 7, 2011 12:49 a.m.

    I could not disagree with the Deseret News more. This is a most tragic outcome for the children of Utah and for lawful citizens whose taxes will continue to be plundered.

    Additionally, Utah will be in an unconstitutional alliance with one of the most corrupt states of Mexico to bring in guest workers so that farmers can continue to undercut the free market with slave labor and continue to drive down the standard of living and American's decent wages.

    Please contact Governor Herbert Monday morning and let him know we expect him uphold his oath of office and to VETO this bill.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    March 2, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    If we're relying on folks like " Curt Bramble, Luz Robles and Howard Stephenson along with Reps. Stephen Sandstrom, Bill Wright, Chris Herrod and Carl Wimmer" to shoulder the burden of the thinking, I'm worried.

  • Cedar guy Cedar City, UT
    March 1, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    A nation is defined by our laws and our borders. With out them we have no nation. Dumb Dumb in these comments said people that are against amnesty have no solutions. If we put employers in jail for braking the law and hiring illegals after all it is the law! They can't get jobs they deport themselves. Cut all state or federal entitlements to illegals. If you look at the federal law that is on the books right now. If you rent to a illegal you are aiding and abetting a illegal alien and that is against the law! The arizona law is the federal law adopted by the state and to be enforced by the state! Look up the bills in the house and senate today and call them and tell them NO jobs worker bill and No Amnesty bills. They are voting! all of us on this comment board must CALL NOW. Tell them how we feel. WE must stop these laws for our state and our future. Please call today !!! If you don't who will. It's time to do your part. And yes I am LDS.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    March 1, 2011 3:44 a.m.

    Buckdazey,

    So you're saying that if one moves into a community, takes a job from an American, sends the money home to another country, makes no attempt to learn the English language and has no desire to become an American, that they automatically become "part of the fabric of our society"? I hate to break this to you, many of them have no interest in being a part of our society. They simply want money.
    The human cost of deportation should be born by those who broke the law coming here, not by innocent Americans. We don't need any solutions but deportation. Illegals aliens need to stay in their own countries or come here legally.

  • nyca411 Menlo Park, CA
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    I have no problem with having Mexican (or other) immigrants do the manual field labor that regular Americans won't do, or work as housekeepers, etc. I am not opposed to having immigration from Mexico or elsewhere.

    From my POV (I admit to not being completely knowledgeable on this subject), the biggest problem seems to be with NOT KNOWING who these workers are as they cross the border, and being able to account for them once they're here working. We must have a clear documentation process to allow these migrant workers to enter our borders and work, but not receive tax-payer funded government subsidies and welfare that are meant for American citizens.

  • buckdazey Heber City, ut
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    Like it or not, the undocumented are a part of the fabric of our society, one that we cannot just cut out without damaging all of us. Those commenters that rail against amnesty have no solutions beyond deportation. The human cost of such action would be much much worse than the sum of all the educational, medical, and criminal costs they allege rise from the presence of these folks, who are, after all, our brothers and sisters. I support the legislative efforts to alleviate the situation in a kind and humane way.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Feb. 28, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    Aaaaaah yes, Sen Hatch, and Kennedy a Model for our great Nation, in the name of Utah?. An FBI file contends that a young Edward Kennedy arranged to rent a brothel for a night while visiting Chile in 1961, a year before he was elected to the Senate. The previously redacted memo, dated Dec. 28, 1961, was released by Judicial Watch, a Washington-based organization that said it obtained it through a Freedom of Information lawsuit. According to the memo, Kennedy made arrangements to rent the brothel "for an entire night" in Santiago earlier in 1961. Kennedy was a 29-year-old assistant district attorney in Boston. He was elected to the Senate in 1962 and served more than four decades until his death in 2009. Kennedy's family remembers had no immediate reaction to the release of the memo.

    Any more question's about what I think, in my view's?.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    I am simply disgusted with the mean spirited atitude that appears on these comments. What disgusts me even more is that most of the mean spirited people are fellow members of the church.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Another veiled push for Amnesty.

  • johhen Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    It's hard for me to think of Utah legislators as "statesmanlike", but I guess it's all relative. Compared to the tone of some of the comments here they certainly are.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    What model? We haven't done anything yet! In fact, this editorial doesn't say anything! The Utah Compact doesn't say anything! We, the people of Utah, are looking for substance, not talk.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    @Conservative, I am a white woman, and I know that you don't reward bad behavior. It just creates more. When business has to pay guest workers a fair wage, more people will come illegally and take their jobs for less money. It has to be stopped.

    I doubt the poll, 496 people is not a fair sample size.

    Compassion runs both ways, business needs to stop exploiting illegal immigrants and hire citizens at fair wages so they can support their family. Compassion starts by following the law, and it's a two way street.

    Arizona style? Arizona's laws were copied after federal law. Illegal entry calls for fines, jail and deportation. We are already compassionate in not enforcing the fines and jail in most cases, the result? More people re-entering.

  • Cedar guy Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    I am LDS and we are also taught to obey the laws of the land. And that means they broke the law when the came here illegally and they must face the law that has been on the federal law for 50 years.I have no respect for people that come here and take American jobs! I am in the construction trades and I have seen them for the past 35 years Destroy my field of work. That is taking food out of American citizens children's mouths and giving it in illegals. They say Americans won't do there jobs and that is no true! We have Ranchers and Framers and large land owners that don't want to pay min wage to a young American to Handel there livestock or bring in there crops. They want to pay $600 a month and give them a shack to live inn! Or pay 25 cents a bail to hall hay! It is not about poor illegals and there kids. It's about that bottom line and those profits. Let all get real here. You can't fool all the sheep all the time !

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    Part of my family came here legally from Mexico. Now people want us to support American business by giving them taxpayer money for cheap labor? Is it even legal to take money from the taxpayer and give it to people illegally in their country? As low income workers they will never cover the social services they receive?

    My family came here legally, it can be done if you are willing to wait. Those of us that do come to be citizens, most here illegally just want our jobs.

    Good neighbors follow the law, bad neighbors make fences necessary.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Recent polling shows a majority of Utahns want a comprehensive approach. Although the legislature seems to be moving in that direction, I'm not holding my breath.

    I suspect that a majority of white males in Utah want an Arizona-style immigration law.

    Meanwhile a larger majority of white women, Latinos and a few white males want a fairer, balanced law providing for work permits, pathway to citizenship and DREAM-act types of provisions.

    Thus we see the legislature (made up of mostly white males) quietly pushing through provisions of an Arizona-style law, while touting how fair they are.

    Meanwhile the larger majority of Utahns are not represented.

    BTW...I prefer democracy to a Utah-style republic.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    Feb. 28, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    The reason the immigration laws are broken is that they only allow a trickle of legal immigration from our southern neighbor, Mexico, when we need - not a flood - but a good solid stream.

    People come here - at the risk of life and limb and/or after making outrageous payments to coyotes - simply because of the disparity between our two economies is so extreme.

    The difference in per capita income (Gross Domestic Product) between the US and Mexico is greater than that between any two nations sharing a land border in the entire world - with only two exceptions: North vrs South Korea and Isreal vrs the Palestinians.

    People in Mexico want to come here for the same reasons our forefathers chose to do so. They would get in line to come....if the line were big enough to present a decent chance of success.

    They come here illegally and live like fugitives instead.

    They are our neighbors....from just down the Continent ...of this single promised land.

    Take a few minutes and read what Jesus said about neighbors.

    (e.g. The Good Samaritan.)

    Jesus was hated for what he said about neighbors...and enemies.

    Are you a good neighbor?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    My family thinned sugar beets and harvested crops in the West Jordan area. 30% of American born farm workers are white.

    Americans will do the work if paid a fair wage. My family worked alongside Navajo families that came every year. But this is not just about agriculture, but about entry level and middle class jobs.

    The nations eye may be on Utah, but not for the reason mentioned. My out of state acquaintances see Utah as a sellout to business interests and the leader of amnesty countrywide. We are not being viewed favorably by America's workers and taxpayers.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    This country needs to return to the honesty and morality of past immigration enforcement. To the time when government protected workers jobs, to the time police enforced all laws, to the time business and the media dealt honestly with workers. This is not about compassion or Gods will, it's about flooding the labor market with people here illegally or as guest workers to benefit businesses bottom line. The gap between rich and poor in this country has reached dangerous proportions. It needs to stop, and we need to be dealt with fairly. Greed is destroying this country, and trying to circumvent our governments laws will only make it worse.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    "Thoughtful? Statesmanlike? Deliberate?" I can't believe anyone at the DN seriously can use words like these in the same sentence with the Utah Legislature. Now I REALLY know what irony looks like.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    In order to push through a worker program, congress will need to re-write and modify Federal law. This could end up opening all of our immigration laws to state control. It's not going to happen. It looks more like an attempt to sidetrack enforcement, and flood the legislature with 3 worker bills. Here's hoping our legislature can see past it, and return to the bills at hand. Sandstroms carefully thought out bill, require e-verify, remove in state tuition that rewards adults who stay here illegally, instead of returning home and coming back on a student visa, remove the drivers privilege cards that give the impression of "illegal, but we approve".

  • OneMadGuy Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    I agree with legalimmigrant and Hispanic in St George.

    Solving our illegal alien problem is as simple as mandatory e-verify (with hefty fines for employers that violate the law), no privilege cards and no in-state tuition. If the illegals can't work here they will leave and take their families with them. If they are really serious about living in the US they can come legally.

    If any of you readers don't like where this is heading you should call / email your state representatives and let them know what you expect.

    And my message to the state represenatives is "If you don't think people are watching how you vote, your in for a surprise".

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    It's obvious from every one I talk to, and from the postings here, that the majority of Utahns want the laws enforced with NO AMNESTY or guest worker programs, or whatever PC term they're calling it these days to make it sound more palatable to the voters. Maybe the voters need to start a petition, or march on the capital to show them just how against amnesty we are, because somehow the media keeps portraying the lie that people want to give illegals amnesty in this state.

    The people here are AGAINST amnesty in any form. We do NOT want the illegals in Arizona flocking here because we will give them a guest worker program.

  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    "the strongest desire to do what is best for all of God's children."

    Ummmm....I don't think that line holds true, because there are always exceptions as far as the LDS Church is concerned. I would personally exempt myself from being one of "God's children" of a Church that doesn't actually support equal rights for all. The Church supports a better deal for illegals than it does for our gay CITIZENS!

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    We still need to see which, if any, bill passes. I just hope reason prevails and that the politicians don't get intimidated by one side or the other. We need a rational law that takes in consideration of the fact that these people are illegal yet that we need a certain number to work at least agriculture and to keep life affordable. We need to consider that these people are humans with families that have a need to survive. We need to be sure we are not hurting ourselves by trying to regulate them (ie. higher food costs, higher auto insurance cost etc.) This whole thing is just too complex to think all will be solved if we just throw them out.

  • facts_r_stubborn Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    I agree with the D News editorial in part. Yes, the legislature did a thoughtful and comprehensive job of immigration reform. Yes, it was statesman-like. Yes, it will be a model for the nation, and to that extent, perhaps the nation, and more specifically Congress will pay attention. Having said that, there is major flaw in any state only legislation regarding immigration policy, no matter how well it's crafted.

    The solution needs to be a national, not Utah only.

    A Utah only guest worker program will create new concerns. Will undocumented workers from other states now flock to Utah in search of employment? How will we reconcile the fact that Utah will approve undocumented workers that Federal ICE agents have the authority to deport?

    A Utah only enforcement program is unecessary and may not be fully coordinated with ICE. While it is probably harmless, why not use the more effective coordinated Federal/State/Local programs such as Secure Communities and 287(g), that provide the training and equipment the Utah law doesn't? These programs are effective in other local jurisdictions.

    Illegal immigration is a national problem, not Utah only, as the Utah Compact makes clear.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    As you turn your attention to education and health care would it not be better to tax Scrooge's property rather than Bob Cratchit's food?

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    I hope this bill lives up to its billing. We need a reasonable solution, not some hard-line enforcement only solution.

    Can we afford to spend millions of dollars enforcing laws against hard working immigrants that with their departure, will ultimately hurt the economy even more. Doesn't sound like it. In fact Rep. Sandstrom even admits it.

    I have no problem with immigrants, legal or otherwise, that are hard working peaceful, respectful people coming to this country. I think they make it a better place. This country is big enough for all such people. In fact, I am fine with amnesty for non-criminals (obviously other than being here illegally).

    I'm not sure what this bill does, but it sounds like it is a start down the right track.

  • Hispanic in St George Saint George, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    Thank you "legalimmigrant" for representing the hispanic people. Like you I am hispanic and legal! Shame on the legislature - we voted for them but now they don't represent the will of the people. Just by reading this comments, it is evident that the majority of the people of Utah want enforcement of existing laws and no amnesty. Also shame on the Deseret News, they just don't get it! They used to be a conservative newsmedia, but not anymore. Wake up before we are another California.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    'As legislation now makes its way through the two chambers of our Legislature, we are grateful for the strong and considerate leadership of Senate President Michael Waddoups....' - Article

    You can have your opinion. It is yours.

    I, personally, will not support Michael Waddoups. My reason?

    *'Utahns with HIV, AIDS upset with Legislative committee's indecision on federal grant program' - By James Thalman - Deseret News - 04/14/10

    'Utah Senate President Michael Waddoups, R-Taylorsville, along with Republican members of the state Executive Appropriations Committee, voted to approve state participation in dozens of other grants at an April 6 meeting. But they unexpectedly held up the AIDS grant application...'

    I believe the Ryan White Fund was accepted by Utah legislature...

    8 times before this sudden stop. It was accepted later.

  • Halach Huinic Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Many Utahns question the authoritarian, my-way-or-the-highway nature of the Sandstrom Solution. All undocumented immigrants are considered uniformly guilty of a serious crime, and all are to be purged from our country, regardless of circumstances or consequences.

    While Sandstrom's stern ways may appeal to some, we have only to look to current events in the Middle East to recognize the ultimate tragic consequences of authoritarian rule.

    Let's not go down that road.

  • snowbird Ogden, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    there is only one reason we have illegal immigrants in utah..they can get jobs here,,who has the jobs here,the members of the people that run this state,no not gov gary herbert or steve sandstrom but the man that leads there religous organization..the owner of elberta farms in elberta utah the deseret news ksl radio temple square city creek center..he is the reason that our imigration laws fail,to keep them here to work for tom

  • one man's opinion Provo, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    That editorial was about as creme-puff in content as they get... (yawn).

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Again the Deseret Newsletter is "Johnny one tune" -Amnesty for all.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    I am LDS and Latino. Even though I had to wait for several years to get my green card, I understand the need for yearly quotas. Otherwise, the US would be flooded with millions of immigrants. I disagree with this editorial. Why should the illegals receive special treatment? I think enforcement is a good thing, but getting rid of the incentives that attract illegal aliens would be even better: mandatory e-verify, including hefty fines for employers that hire illegals, no provilege cards and no in-state tuition. This would be a good start, no need to round them up and deport them. They will leave on their own.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    If we have any type of Amnesty come out of this or any type of Guest Worker program come out of this, then again the State is doing what they want and not what the citizens want. 2012 could be a tough voting year for them. We are watching and we are watching the way Capital Hill is voting. If they want to win an election they better do the right thing. Utah is not Mexico. Utah is Utah and the citizens come first.

  • AmericaInterwest La Quinta, CA
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Many of America's print media publications are now facing well deserved financial extinction due to their penchant for bias, censorship, and promotions of unpopular political positions, rather than reporting facts. No issue illustrates their heavy bias more than illegal immigration.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    I grew up on a farm and we used migrant workers to harvest crops and thin sugar beets. If anyone on here believes that white folks would do this you are delusional. We tried and we could not find the help we needed any other way than hiring the migrants. They worked hard, lived in shantytowns, all for minimum wages. The anti-immigration crowd continues to ignore reality. Facts mean nothing to them, they just attack the messenger. Everyone wants legal immigration. Has anyone considered it is not an option for many. Mexico is in chaos. Drug cartels, poverty, corruption, violence. When you can't feed your family and legal immigration may mean waiting five years you do what you have to do to survive. The anti-immigration crowd are hypocrites. I suspect many would do the exactly what the illeglas they hate are doing if they were in the same situation. One last thought, I am all for enforcing laws. How about starting with traffic laws since most drivers completely ignore them.

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    This make me proud to be from Utah. It shows we can be willing to look at all sides of an issue and try to come to real solutions based on reality. I am sure that what they come up with will not be perfect, but it will reflect the understanding that these are real human lives we are dealing with and the contributions that many people make to our State. It is not a simplistic problem like some make it out to be. There is so much misinformation and emotion floating around this issue. I hope and pray our legislature can work out a more comprehensive solution.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Will the government let these people off for break and enter or just immigration crimes?

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 28, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    Thanks to the leg for not bowing to hatred and racism. Make no mistake--you will make some in Utah unhappy, but you are doing the right thing and perhaps the only enforceable thing.

  • joelwisch Albuquerque, NM
    Feb. 28, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    There are so many fake I.D.s out there among the illegal aliens that knowing who they are is NOT possible. There are other, and much better ways to get people to the harvest than to bring guest workers to the fields. One would be to use prisoners who want to earn money, and in that case, most of the money should go to the prisoners. And put the whole process through the Human Resources Department.

    But with the fake identifications out there, you could hire Charley Manson and his tribe and not know it until they woke you up for a brief chat.

  • VickieB SLC, UT
    Feb. 28, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    How does creating a second tier class of people help? Taking jobs from Americans and giving them to citizens of other countries help? Rewarding law breakers by giving them what they broke the law for help? Punishing those in other countries help? How do these help all of God's children? It appears they help money changers, and those breaking the law, that's all.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 28, 2011 4:13 a.m.

    The guest worker provision is one of the most mean, hateful pieces of legislation this country has seen at the state level this year. Giving jobs, to people who broke the law coming here for jobs, is amnesty.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 27, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    Utah is in a unique position to set the example in immigration, public education and public health. It is unique because it is influenced by the Book of Mormon and the Bible. Ignore those influences and Utah will have nothing better to offer than any other state.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    If those who have been hiring illegals now without using the federal guest worker program, why would they use the state program? There have been some glitches in the guest worker system this year, but unemployed legal immigrants have been hired. Those businesses who hire illegals don't care about the law. It is about money and convenience of sidestepping the law. I think it is time to stomp on those businesses who are hiring illegals. Why promote a state program when a federal program exists and works?

  • freedomforthepeople Sandy, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    Proud to be a Utahn - hope they can come up with something that will work - best wishes to all who are working so hard to figure out this problem!

  • joelwisch Albuquerque, NM
    Feb. 27, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    But it would also provide a pragmatic way for hardworking but undocumented immigrants to come out of the shadows and contribute productively without creating a path to citizenship.

    If you give American Jobs away, others will give American Jobs away. It is so much easier to manipulate the system and tell the world no one will apply for the job, and then keep that illegal alien in place, and the American Worker out. If the process were handled in the Utah Human Resources, it would be better handled, but you would still be giving American Jobs to illegal aliens. And that IS a crime.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 8:09 p.m.

    What is so hard about going after illegal immigrants and their employers? There shouldn't be any driving privilege cards and no instate tuition. There should be eVerify requirements and heavy penalties for hiring illegals. Why can't the Legislature figure that one out? The average Utahn has.

  • Jimmy James Salt Lake City, Ut
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:41 p.m.

    Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
    Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
    Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
    O Lord, kum bay ya.

    C'mon TRUTH, you do the next verse.

  • Yung Provo, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    Becky Lockhart has been outstanding!

  • praxis Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    Guest Workers #2 from the article:
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement conducted an audit of employees at Gebbers Farms, an apple producer in Brewster, Washington. ICE found evidence that more than 500 of its workers, mostly immigrants from Mexico, were in the country illegally. ICE then advised Gebbers Farms of Social Security and immigration numbers that did not check out with federal databases. The workers were then fired.

    John Morton, the head of the immigration agency, said the goal of the audits is to create "a culture of compliance" among employers, so that verifying new hires would be as routine as paying taxes. ICE leaves it up to employers to fire workers whose documents cannot be validated. But an employer who fails to do so risks prosecution.

    After completing a federally mandated local labor search, Gebbers Farms applied to the federal guest worker program to import about 1,200 legal temporary workers - most from Mexico. The guest workers, who can stay for up to six months, also included about 300 from Jamaica.

    For those that say removing illegal immigrants from agriculture will cause food prices to skyrocket - the average price of apples in the grocery store has NOT increased.

  • Janell Ventura, Ca
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    Thank you, Deseret News, for yet another attempt at trying to wrap amnesty in a bill that looks like enforcement. Get it straight, we want enforcement...not amnesty. Politicians that foist any form of amnesty on the voters, will fail and do so at the cost of their political careers. It's especially galling to hear the writer trying to justify their opinion by linking it to the Church, ostensibly because their argument will not go very far without the implicit support of the Church. I, as well as most of those who seek enforcement are people of good will. Unfortunately, some of these people of good will have been supplanted by these "hardworking undocumented" foreigners. Most Americans I know are hard working as well, but unable and unwilling to work for slave wages caused by the invasion of illegals.
    Doing what is best for all of God's Children would ultimately be to sustain the current law. It exists to protect American citizens and their livelihoods against out of control immigration. To ignore or make exceptions for certain people but not others will ultimately lead to chaos.

  • praxis Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Guest Workers #1
    Creating a Utah Guest worker program violates federal law. It is also NOT needed, as there is already a way for workers to come to the U.S. legally - the EXISTING Federal Guest Worker program with categories for different work types:

    - Permanent Labor Certification: A certification issued by the Department of Labor (DOL) allows an employer to hire a foreign worker to work permanently in the United States.

    - H-2A Temporary Labor Certification (Seasonal Agricultural): Program for agricultural employers who anticipate a shortage of domestic workers to bring nonimmigrant foreign workers to the U.S. to perform agricultural labor or services of a temporary or seasonal nature.

    - H-2B Temporary Labor Certification (Non-agricultural): Program permits employers to hire foreign workers to come temporarily to the U.S. and perform temporary nonagricultural services or labor on a one-time, seasonal, peakload or intermittent basis.

    If those here illegally really just wanted to work - they could have come to the U.S. through the existing program.

    For those that say the process/program is broken, an article published in the NY Times, 09 July 2010, shows otherwise. Continued...

  • J. Adams Sandy, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    A model of disgrace for the nation is more accurate. Your editorial assumes that Utahns want a comprehensive reform bill. What we want is comprehensive enforcement of exsisting laws. We are already doing the most for all God's children of any nation on the earth. Hopefully, we will continue to do the same. What we cannot do is confuse the real issues: illegal v.s. legal immigration. One is approved by exsisting law, the other is willfull violation of our sovernty. May the legislayure be guided in supporting the majority of Utahns and ending the sanctuary status of the state of Utah.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    That's all well and great....but the maority of the state is watching and we vote....Let's hope they are doing more than Kume-by-yah!

    Put some teeth in this bill.....no amnesty, drivers cards, fines for hiring illegals, e-verify, no health or welfare benefits......do it now!