Published: Sunday, Feb. 27 2011 6:00 p.m. MST
That's all well and great....but the maority of the state is watching and we
vote....Let's hope they are doing more than Kume-by-yah!Put some
teeth in this bill.....no amnesty, drivers cards, fines for hiring illegals,
e-verify, no health or welfare benefits......do it now!
A model of disgrace for the nation is more accurate. Your editorial assumes
that Utahns want a comprehensive reform bill. What we want is comprehensive
enforcement of exsisting laws. We are already doing the most for all God's
children of any nation on the earth. Hopefully, we will continue to do the
same. What we cannot do is confuse the real issues: illegal v.s. legal
immigration. One is approved by exsisting law, the other is willfull violation
of our sovernty. May the legislayure be guided in supporting the majority of
Utahns and ending the sanctuary status of the state of Utah.
Guest Workers #1 Creating a Utah Guest worker program violates federal
law. It is also NOT needed, as there is already a way for workers to come to the
U.S. legally - the EXISTING Federal Guest Worker program with categories for
different work types:- Permanent Labor Certification: A
certification issued by the Department of Labor (DOL) allows an employer to hire
a foreign worker to work permanently in the United States.- H-2A
Temporary Labor Certification (Seasonal Agricultural): Program for agricultural
employers who anticipate a shortage of domestic workers to bring nonimmigrant
foreign workers to the U.S. to perform agricultural labor or services of a
temporary or seasonal nature. - H-2B Temporary Labor Certification
(Non-agricultural): Program permits employers to hire foreign workers to come
temporarily to the U.S. and perform temporary nonagricultural services or labor
on a one-time, seasonal, peakload or intermittent basis.If those
here illegally really just wanted to work - they could have come to the U.S.
through the existing program.For those that say the process/program
is broken, an article published in the NY Times, 09 July 2010, shows otherwise.
Thank you, Deseret News, for yet another attempt at trying to wrap amnesty in a
bill that looks like enforcement. Get it straight, we want enforcement...not
amnesty. Politicians that foist any form of amnesty on the voters, will fail
and do so at the cost of their political careers. It's especially galling to
hear the writer trying to justify their opinion by linking it to the Church,
ostensibly because their argument will not go very far without the implicit
support of the Church. I, as well as most of those who seek enforcement are
people of good will. Unfortunately, some of these people of good will have been
supplanted by these "hardworking undocumented" foreigners. Most
Americans I know are hard working as well, but unable and unwilling to work for
slave wages caused by the invasion of illegals. Doing what is best for
all of God's Children would ultimately be to sustain the current law. It exists
to protect American citizens and their livelihoods against out of control
immigration. To ignore or make exceptions for certain people but not others
will ultimately lead to chaos.
Guest Workers #2 from the article:Immigration and Customs Enforcement
conducted an audit of employees at Gebbers Farms, an apple producer in Brewster,
Washington. ICE found evidence that more than 500 of its workers, mostly
immigrants from Mexico, were in the country illegally. ICE then advised Gebbers
Farms of Social Security and immigration numbers that did not check out with
federal databases. The workers were then fired.John Morton, the
head of the immigration agency, said the goal of the audits is to create "a
culture of compliance" among employers, so that verifying new hires would
be as routine as paying taxes. ICE leaves it up to employers to fire workers
whose documents cannot be validated. But an employer who fails to do so risks
prosecution. After completing a federally mandated local labor
search, Gebbers Farms applied to the federal guest worker program to import
about 1,200 legal temporary workers - most from Mexico. The guest workers, who
can stay for up to six months, also included about 300 from Jamaica. For those that say removing illegal immigrants from agriculture will cause
food prices to skyrocket - the average price of apples in the grocery store has
Becky Lockhart has been outstanding!
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;Kum
bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,O Lord, kum bay ya.C'mon TRUTH,
you do the next verse.
What is so hard about going after illegal immigrants and their employers? There
shouldn't be any driving privilege cards and no instate tuition. There should
be eVerify requirements and heavy penalties for hiring illegals. Why can't the
Legislature figure that one out? The average Utahn has.
But it would also provide a pragmatic way for hardworking but undocumented
immigrants to come out of the shadows and contribute productively without
creating a path to citizenship.If you give American Jobs away,
others will give American Jobs away. It is so much easier to manipulate the
system and tell the world no one will apply for the job, and then keep that
illegal alien in place, and the American Worker out. If the process were
handled in the Utah Human Resources, it would be better handled, but you would
still be giving American Jobs to illegal aliens. And that IS a crime.
Proud to be a Utahn - hope they can come up with something that will work - best
wishes to all who are working so hard to figure out this problem!
If those who have been hiring illegals now without using the federal guest
worker program, why would they use the state program? There have been some
glitches in the guest worker system this year, but unemployed legal immigrants
have been hired. Those businesses who hire illegals don't care about the law.
It is about money and convenience of sidestepping the law. I think it is time
to stomp on those businesses who are hiring illegals. Why promote a state
program when a federal program exists and works?
Utah is in a unique position to set the example in immigration, public education
and public health. It is unique because it is influenced by the Book of Mormon
and the Bible. Ignore those influences and Utah will have nothing better to
offer than any other state.
The guest worker provision is one of the most mean, hateful pieces of
legislation this country has seen at the state level this year. Giving jobs, to
people who broke the law coming here for jobs, is amnesty.
How does creating a second tier class of people help? Taking jobs from Americans
and giving them to citizens of other countries help? Rewarding law breakers by
giving them what they broke the law for help? Punishing those in other countries
help? How do these help all of God's children? It appears they help money
changers, and those breaking the law, that's all.
There are so many fake I.D.s out there among the illegal aliens that knowing who
they are is NOT possible. There are other, and much better ways to get people
to the harvest than to bring guest workers to the fields. One would be to use
prisoners who want to earn money, and in that case, most of the money should go
to the prisoners. And put the whole process through the Human Resources
Department.But with the fake identifications out there, you could
hire Charley Manson and his tribe and not know it until they woke you up for a
Thanks to the leg for not bowing to hatred and racism. Make no mistake--you will
make some in Utah unhappy, but you are doing the right thing and perhaps the
only enforceable thing.
Will the government let these people off for break and enter or just immigration
This make me proud to be from Utah. It shows we can be willing to look at all
sides of an issue and try to come to real solutions based on reality. I am sure
that what they come up with will not be perfect, but it will reflect the
understanding that these are real human lives we are dealing with and the
contributions that many people make to our State. It is not a simplistic problem
like some make it out to be. There is so much misinformation and emotion
floating around this issue. I hope and pray our legislature can work out a more
I grew up on a farm and we used migrant workers to harvest crops and thin sugar
beets. If anyone on here believes that white folks would do this you are
delusional. We tried and we could not find the help we needed any other way
than hiring the migrants. They worked hard, lived in shantytowns, all for
minimum wages. The anti-immigration crowd continues to ignore reality. Facts
mean nothing to them, they just attack the messenger. Everyone wants legal
immigration. Has anyone considered it is not an option for many. Mexico is in
chaos. Drug cartels, poverty, corruption, violence. When you can't feed your
family and legal immigration may mean waiting five years you do what you have to
do to survive. The anti-immigration crowd are hypocrites. I suspect many would
do the exactly what the illeglas they hate are doing if they were in the same
situation. One last thought, I am all for enforcing laws. How about starting
with traffic laws since most drivers completely ignore them.
Many of America's print media publications are now facing well deserved
financial extinction due to their penchant for bias, censorship, and promotions
of unpopular political positions, rather than reporting facts. No issue
illustrates their heavy bias more than illegal immigration.
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