Too many of you are trying to play the religious bias card with respect to the
tournament selection committee. You need to get over that. BYU has struggled
to get a higher seed in the past, because they have struggled to get wins in
tournament games. They stopped that last year and their RPI this year speaks
volumes. They'll get a good seed this year, even if it is not a #1, but if it
isn't #1 it won't be for religious reasons.
UNM did in the Pitt what BYU did to SDSU in Vijegas arena. They went unconcious
from the 3pt line. It won't happen in the MC on Sat. However, they still have
to take care of bidness on Wed against CSU. How in the world to they get
throttled by AF at home???
I hope the cougs are concerned about UNM, not their seedings. As for me, I can
think about it all day long.Steve Kerr said it on Saturaday, if BYU
wins out, they should get a number 1 seed. But, we have to remember that the
Cougs are confined the two Thursday-Saturday brackets to avoid Sunday play. Win
out, the committee has no choice but to put you number one in the West Bracket.
Don't win out and/or lose a regular season game and don't make it to the MWC
championship and you give the committee reason to put you either in a far away
location or less than fortunate seed.Obviously, they are at least a
2 seed now. Keep on keepin on.
It does not make that much difference if BYU gets a 1 or 2 seed. The match ups
are much more important. They will get seeded where they can play on Sat. The
key is who they play.
Boomer, you are right, UNM has won 4 of 5 conference games. Of all the teams in
the conference, UNM is the nemisis and BYU has reason to avenge the earlier loss
in the pit. Not considering all the other national ramifications. I am
concerned that fans are overlooking UNM and I am hopeful of no spillover effect
to the team and coach. I doubt Coach Rose will overlook anybody. He was there
as a player for Houston many years ago. I have every confidence in
Coach Rose to adjust the offense to match whatever the defense throws at them.
Did you notice in the SDSU game, BYU would play a man on man defense maybe twice
down the court then switch to a 3 -2 zone, then back again. It messed up SDSU's
offensive flow. Glad Coach Rose is at the helm here and planning the strategy.
OreCougThere's absolutely no reason why the schedule for one of the
#1 seeds couldn't be adjusted by the selection committee to accommodate BYU's no
Sunday play.Nobody at this point knows where they're going to be
playing, anyway, so switching the play-in game from Tuscon to Denver would be a
very simple change. Even if the Denver venue wasn't available for the playin
game, the game could still be played in Tuscon, with the winner then flying to
Denver to play #1 seed BYU.Some fans are making this out to be some
sort of insurmountable hurdle, when in reality, it's a very simple change.
Just win and everything else will take care of itself. Ranked #3 or
#4 as of Monday, RPI #1, Sagarin #3, Kenpom #5, SOS #10, excellent record of 9-1
against RPI top 50, 7 game win streak (soon to be 8 and then 9), POY Fredette.
NCAA seeding of #1 or #2 ... priceless.
The Cougars should get a number 1 seed provided they win their remaining two
games and at least get to the conference championship game in the MWC tournment.
The NCAA committee however may just once again hold it against byu that they
dont play on sundays and instead give them a 2 or 3 seed. With the Cougars RPI,
SOS and impressive record against top 25 teams I cant see any reason to not give
them a #1 seed
KSDBN--I think you misunderstood the stats from AKCougar earlier.
He meant UNM has won 4 of last seven against BYU, and 4 of 5 in league games
(when you subtract out the MWC tourney games against each other). Nonetheless,
UNM will have its hands full with an awesome BYU team and on Jimmer's senior
night no less. Let's just hope the Cougars are looking past the Lobos just like
you are ("Lobos should focus on staying within 20 points"). By the
way, I will take the Lobos and 20 points. For the soft drink of your choice.
BYU very well may deserve a #1 seed, but they will not get it for one simple
reason. All #1s play on a Friday/Sunday schedule in the 2nd/3rd rounds. If you
look at the sites, Cleveland, Charlotte, and Tulsa are all 18th/20th dates which
is Friday/Sunday, so due to BYU no Sunday play, they will NOT be a #1 seed
period end of speculation.Are they good enough to be a #1 seed? Yes
regardless of schedule or conference. They have been consistent and have risen
to the occasion against very good teams.
How great is it that this is even being discussed?So great to be a
fan of BYU. Both basketball and football are heading in the right direction
with great players and great coaches. The admin at BYU should also be
congratulated for making some bold moves that are already paying off. Coach Rose and players thank you for an unforgettable season. It has been a
great ride so far. Keep it going all the way to the final four!
I hope they do get a 1 seed. There will be no excuses when the don't make it to
the elite 8.
If I am BYU, I want the best matchup so that I can advance. The number doesn't
Lets worry about New Mexico, remember the Lobos? they beat us up in the Pit.
They should never be overlooked nor should the Cowboys. lets forget about
seeding, it doesn't matter lets win out.
Just checked out CBS sports and I had to send them an e mail to correct them. It
looks like the MWC will have more teams in the NCAA tournament than the Pac 10.
WHAT!!!??? The conference of chumpions can only place three teams? I know UCLA
beat the Cougars, but please, that was on the road, lets see them show up at the
MC. But at least next year you get a 13-15 University of Utah team. Rumor has it
they are really gunning for a .500 record next year. MARK IT DOWN The combined
wins in both football and basketball for the Utes will be less than the BYU mens
basketball team next year.
Aggie84I'd like to see you get your wish... but we both know it
isn't going to happen in the first round.. They won't even be in the same
regional more than likely. We turned down a sunday game before and withdrew
from the tournament. It ended up in our favor. If it comes down to it. It
could end up benefiting BYU again. There are ways to get around it. I really
don't see a 1 seed but all possibilities have not been exhausted. There's no
absolute schedule that can't be tweaked...but the committee knows it doesn't
have to put BYU in a 1 seed. Franly a 2 is almost just as good.
BYU deserves a #1 seed if they win their final two regular season games and the
MWC tournament. Team Record RPI SOS vs. Top 50 RPIBYU.....27-2
#1 #10 9-1Kansas..27-2 #2 #12 6-2Ohio St.26-2 #3 #26 6-2SDSU....27-2 #4 #27 4-2Duke....26-3 #5 #35 8-2Purdue..24-5 #6 #17
4-3Pitt....25-4 #7 #25 8-3Texas...24-5 #9 #23 7-2Those
are your current #1/#2 seeds. If RPI means anything, however, BYU should be a
lock for a #1 seed if the Cougars win out.
BYU's no Sunday play policy will not prevent BYU from getting a #1 seed. If the
Cougars win out to Selection Sunday, the committee will likely send BYU to
Denver for Thur-Sat first/second round matchups, and to Anaheim for Thur-Sat
Sweet 16/Elite 8 games.The current projected locations for #1 seeds
can easily be adjusted by the Selection Committee.All BYU needs to
do is keep winning and the seedings will take care of themselves. I'm not buying
all the conspiracy theories that the NCAA will be out to get BYU. As far as BYU
is concerned, Craig Thompson and his minnions will be history as soon as the MWC
tournament in finished.
AK Cougar,UNM has LOST 4 of 5 games not won. They are 5-7 in road games.
UNM should be worried about trying to keep the score within 20 points...
The most important issue from a seeding standpoint for BYU is location, not
actual seeding. Unless the NCAA wants to change dates or move BYU from one
region to another mid-tournament, the only options are a 1-seed in the West
Region or a 2-seed in the Southeast (assuming BYU gets a 1 or a 2). The 2-seed
games would be in Denver for the first weekend and New Orleans for the second.
1-seed games would be in Tucson and Anaheim which would be a huge bonus for BYU.
So I am obviously hoping for a 1-seed, but more from the standpoint of venue
than actual matchups.
Jimmer Watch and the MWC TournamentJimmer is averaging 27.3 ppg and
has scored 2,324 points. He needs 144 points to break Ainge's BYU scoring record
of 2,467. At his current pace, Jimmer will break Danny's record in the opening
round of the NCAA tournament (assuming BYU plays in the MWC tournament
final).Predicted MWC Tournament Seeding1 BYU(15-1)8 TCU(1-15)/9 Wyo(3-13)4 CSU(9-6)5 UNM(7-9)..2 SDSU(14-2)7 Utah(6-10)3 UNLV(11-5)6 AFA(6-10)
I think that BYU will end up with a two seed. Even though they finish the
regular season without a loss, I think they meet SDSU in the tournament and it
is difficult to get 3 wins against a team in any given year especially as good
as SDSU is, It will be very difficult, but not imppossible. But even Chris B is
right (and that makes me gag), there is no difference between a 1 or 2 seed.
Either way, go Cougars and make us proud. And sorry Chris, even if BYU doesn't
make the sweet 16, my life would not be over and anything you say or post about
it couldn't hurt my feelings.
XpatI'm not worried about Cougar fans discussing BYU's #1-seed
prospects, because Coach Rose and the Cougars are going to be fully focused on
avenging one of their only two losses of the season. There's no chance that
Jimmer and company will overlook the Lobos; they've worked too hard to get to
where they are to rest on their laurels just when all of that hard work is
starting to pay off.It was great to see Abouo, Hartsock, Emery, and
Davies stepping up in such a hostile environment at Viejas Arena. That bodes
well for BYU that Jimmer isn't the only Cougar who is able to play well in a big
game. That will just make it that much harder to stop Jimmer.The
Jimmer Show moved to a whole new level at SDSU, just in time for March Madness.
What's it going to take to get respect? I absolutely hate politics and prejudice
in college sports. When it comes to this year, BYU has to be the most
discriminated school in the history of mankind. What the problem? Is their RPI
not good enough? Do they not have quality athletes? Are they not court smart?
Are they not clutch? Is it because their school name does not start with
"Duke"? Why should BYU even have to tolerate the questioning of their
right to be worthy of a number 1 seed consideration? Take all of
these players from Jimmer down to the last guy on the bench and send them to the
University of Texas. Would that change things? I'll bet a million dollars nobody
would question the decision to describe these guys as #1 seed quality players.
You so-called pundits want to make me hurl!
Go vote for BYU on CBS Sports website if you believe they deserve a no. 1 seed.
I disagree with the notion that the committee will want to make it hard on BYU.
I think if they win out they do get a #1 seed. However I only see it as about a
50-50 chance of the Cougars winning the conference tournament. Beating CSU a 3rd
time and then beating UNLV or SDSU a 3rd time will not be easy.I
think the committee would like to see BYU go far. Everyone loves to watch non
traditional teams make a run and Jimmer is a star! The committee does not want
Jimmermania to end early.They can fix the schedule so BYU doesn't
have to play on Sunday and still put them in a bracket out west somewhere.
chrisBAnother convincing BYU win in the latest "biggest game in
the history of the MWC" and another failed "Mark it Down"
prediction from chrisB.The surest thing this season is betting
against the chrisB line.Has it ever dawned on you that you might
have better luck getting your wish by guaranteeing convincing BYU wins all the
way through to the NCAA championship?Regardless of what BYU does the
rest of this season, we already known who has a lock on the biggest bust of the
season, don't we chrisB?(see mirror if you're still wondering)
Was TCU number one in football?When push comes to shove, the
selection committee won't be able to bring itself to make BYU a number one
seed.You have 2 problems. The selection committee will set up the
bracket to get rid of BYU as quickly as possible. They hate the idea of BYU
being able to dictate no Sunday play.The second is that BYU is
unlikely to win the conference tournament. If BYU loses early, you could see
them fall to number 5 or lower, even with a top ten ranking. BYU has been
seeded well below its national ranking in every one of the last five
tournaments. Number one in the RPI today. 6-0 against the RPI top
25.Beware of New Mexico!
If they win the MWC tournament then not only will they deserve a 1 seed but the
committee will find a way to make that happen. I'm not a BYU fan, but they
deserve it after the year they have had.
@ Chris BDo you have list of the biggest NCAA Busts? Is it your own
list or it it actually legitimate from a legit source? Please share if you have
@Chris BThere you are Chris B. You disappeared for a few hours and
I was getting worried about you. I'm sure you've been practicing all your
comments on paper first before posting them, that way you won't look so silly
like you did yesterday when you marked down yet another loss only to be wrong
yet again. FYI, as to date you have only been right on your predictions 6% of
the time. Good Job!There is no doubt in my mind that a you will be
there to remind everyone if BYU loses. Kind of like how we remind you of when
the Utes got embarrased on national TV against TCU. Remember, 47-7? Still hurts
don't it?So your next prediction is that BYU won't get passed the
2nd round. If they do, then what? Even if BYU wins another NC, i seriously
doubt you could say anything positive. I'm not sure how you live like you do
with so much jealousy and hatred. Let me know if I can help in anyway.Being realistic, BYU won't get a #1 seed, but they will get a #2 seed.
My understanding is that the NCAA Tournament committee has the power to change
site dates if necessary to accommodate BYU, or even shift the Cougars to another
regional. There is precedent for this -- the committee placed BYU in a similar
position in 2003 and had plans to move them into a different bracket if they won
through to the Sweet 16. They didn't, which made the point moot. But it's
certainly within the committee's power to alter things. I asked the
same question of Sports Illustrated's Andy Glockner on Twitter last night, and
he seemed certain that no-Sunday play would not be a factor in seeding. I'm
still not sure -- logic would seem to indicate that, given the choice between
dealing with a 1-seed BYU and a late-round date or venue change, and a 2-seed
BYU with no change needed, the committee would take the path of least
resistance. But that's pure speculation. And of course, the Cougars
still have to win out anyway. If that happens and teams ahead of BYU keep
losing, the committee may have no choice.
They seed the teams before they decide on the exact scheduling... Basically they
can move around the sites into different brackets to accommodate the highest
seeded teams. If BYU wins out, they'll be #1 seed and play Thurs, Sat in Denver.
Does anybody remember what seed Ainge and Co had when they made the Elite 8 run.
Could a 3 seed be the highest BYU has ever had (which is likely what they will
get if they don't win out). Also, what was the Utes seed when they made the
championship game a few years back?I am just asking because I don't
remember. The seed is a big deal for making the Sweet 16 but not so much after
that. Usually you are playing a top tier team and you have to be a top tier
team to move on. I would love to see the Cougs finally make the final four and
join the Utes for a little basketball bragging rights.
I am not at all concerned or care about seedings at this time. The biggest
concern I have right now is how BYU will play against UNM. UNM has won 4 of the
last 7 games, 4 of the last 5 games in conference play. BYU will have their
hands full. Coach Rose will b game planning to counter UNM's 3/4
guard lineup that won in the Pit. UNM shot 51% from the field (56% in the 2nd
half), while holding BYU to 41%. Their defense and running game won that game.
Of course if BYU had shot 51% they would have won the game. I have
every confidence in Coach Rose to plan a game strategy that will win on
Wednesday. The players know with each game the stakes are higher. Unlike
yesterday's SDSU game, everyone, the coaches, players and fans expect BYU to win
on Wednesday. Go Cougars.
The selection committee will probably find a way to hurt BYU as much as
possible. They might give BYU a #1 seed, knowing BYU will reject it because
they won't play on Sundays, then bump them down to a lower seed like 5 or 6.
To Aggie 84:Why would you want your Ags to be dismissed from the
Tourney so early?I agree that the main consideration here is...1. IF (and WHEN) the Cougs win out;2. What bracket(s) have a Saturday
option;3. How much the TV revenue-generators consider BYU a boom or bust
for ratings.Beyond that, if BYU comes in as a Top 3 Seed in ANY
bracket, then Rose, Jimmer & Co. will have considered this a major success
for themselves, the team, and the program. They will have gone where no other
BYU (or Utah) team has gone before--and that says a lot!There is no
need to try and fit a Glass Slipper on this team--they just need to do what they
do best and take care of business--the rest will sort itself out.
If I were a tds fan - I'd want a 2 seed not a 1.No 1 seed has ever
lost to a 16.If tds gets a 1, we might just see something that's
never happened before.This team will at best make it to the round of
32 and be known as one of the biggest NCAA BUSTS of all time.And
I'll be here to remind you forever.
As much as I would like to see BYU get a number 1 seed it won't happen. The
Cougars won't play on Sunday so that eliminates them from all the Friday-Sunday
match ups. Looking at the schedule it seems all the number one seeds play on
the Friday-Sunday rotation. Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly but it looks like
the best BYU can do is a 2 seed in Tucson.
Will they deserve it if they do not lose again? Absolutely! Whether or not they
get it remains to be seen. I think ESPN has some small vested interest in the
institution but do they have any influence if it is needed? There is some bias
in the voting, especially with the media and the selection committee but is it
blatantly corrupt? According to some analysts it sometimes is. According to
others it is not. I think things would be a little different if the media were
allowed access to the selection committee meetings.
I'd like to see the Aggies and the Y duke it out on a neurtral court. Give the
Aggies a 16th seed and bring it on.
"Can the Cougars grab a No. 1 seed?"Short answer: YesLonger answer: There isn't much difference between a 1 or a 2 seed, so it
doesn't make much difference. Also, unless the bracket schedule is changed, the
only non-Sunday low-seed path through the tourney is #2 SouthEast.BTW, *this* year's BYU team hasn't gone 17 years without a win. *This* year's
BYU team hasn't gone 30 years without going to the Sweet 16. This year's BYU
team just has to play the games in front of them. Simple. They don't have to
play 30 years worth of history.Personally, I see a BYU team that is
the real deal, a real *team*, and coached by a great coach. I think they'll
make a deep run this year.Plus, all of those BYU losses have
basically followed the seeding, which is equivalent to saying "BYU hasn't
pulled an upset in the tournament in 17 years."
I hope they do get a one seed, and if Weber State gets in the tournament, and
the selection committee places them in a sixteen seed, Weber State can pull some
more Wildcat magic (i.e. North Carolina, Michigan State)and be the first sixteen
seed to beat a one seed. They only lost to BYU by 5 at the Dee Events just a
few games after Lillard (their best player--and best NBA potential player in the
state of Utah) was injured. They are gelling and are hot right now. No one
wants to face the Wildcats in the tournament--just ask the Tarheels!I am sure I am going to get some guff about not saying Jimmer is the best NBA
potential player in the state--I don't see his game, hucking it up three feet
past the half court working in the NBA. He'll get drafted sure, probably by the
Jazz for PR, but enjoy little success like Alex Smith. Look for the
Big East to get two or three and Kansas and Duke the other top seeds, but all
the best for you BYU--GO GET'EM and Rock on!
According to CBS Sports' bracket, 3 No. 1 seeds are scheduled to play on Sunday
in the second round. The other No. 1 seed is scheduled to play on Sunday in the
fourth round.So unless the schedule changes, BYU cannot be a 1
seed.No doubt, they should be a 1 seed but it looks like it won't
Jimmer and gang, win the rest of the games and we will NO DOUBT have a #1 seed!
Good luck! ...Go COUGARS!
BYU have a better shot then the utes do.
On a level playing field I would say that the scenario in this article could
very easily happen. But because in both polls there exist voting blocks of both
writers and coaches promoting their ties secondarily to regional combines as
well as primarily to conference relationships, I just don't see it happening.
Especially with 68 invitations for the selection commitee to pass out. The
commitee do read the aticles and they watch the polls. In baksetball the
strongest of those blocks are writers who are tied to the conferences in the
East. Conference wise it's the Big East verses everybody. Reagionally it's the
Big East, The ACC and sometimes the Big Ten verses everybody else. Followed by
all of this is the encompassment of the overall BIG SIX... verses all other mid
level non members. A lot of writers and coaches still keep the old buddie
system going...However coaches seem to have a unwritten code not to go
overboard. The writers don't have that same sort of creed. Right now, if the
Eastern voters think that they can manage to position 6 or more Big East teams
to receive invitations...they will, at all cost.
Can they? Absolutely!BYU has eight wins over teams that began the
weekend in the top 50 of the RPI, the same number as Pittsburgh. BYU has more
wins over top-50 teams than Duke, Kansas, Ohio State and Texas.Here's the rub...BYU must win out, including the conference tourney, to be in
the conversation or they will be a 2-seed or lower. What's not fair about that
is that the same standard won't apply to Pittsburgh, Duke, Kansas, Ohio State or
Texas. Each of those teams could probably lose again in the regular season AND
lose in their conference tourneys and still be a 1-seed on just reputation and
the perception of the strength of their conference (even though the RPI for the
ACC is lower than the MWC this year).But, if BYU wins out, then
their resume will probably include three more wins over the RPI top 50, a
strength of schedule in the top 10 and an RPI in the top 3. Winning out will be
no cake walk though, including a possible third game with SDSU. Can they? YES!
"BYU's body of work is right there, clearly," Parrish wrote.
"Anybody suggesting otherwise is either dumb, stupid or idiotic. Or all
three. Or just a Jimmer-hater."Well I wonder who's going to
comment against this story first? If you do Mr. Parrish has a name or label for
you!It was a great game that made yet another statement and added
another exclamation point to this year's legacy. Way to go Cougars!
No they won't grab a #1 seed and here's why. They don't come from a power
conference. Great year , probable POY, but they aren't in the ACC/Big Ten/Big
Kerr is right. BYU has to win the MWC tournament. Then maybe. But you never
know with selection committee.
I have watched BYU basketball since the 60's. This is the best balanced,
hungriest, best-coached team ever. I think their last game on network CBS was in
the 1980's vs. Georgetown (we were creamed). Having said that, it is too early
to have this conversation. Let's let the team take care of business the next 2
weeks and see where we are. This is akin to talking about our BCS chances in the
middle of the football season, which we also do every year we have a great
start. Let's EARN our way to a top seed and then talk about it in
the media. The way this team is playing, I like our chances to go all the way.
In the meantime, I'm not going to get bothered - yet - by anyone who says we
don't deserve a no. 1 seed. Let's make it to a top 4 ranking and then make the