Pass the bill and enforce the laws!It is always harder and more
expensive, and brings hardship when people obey laws.Labor costs
more when you pay all the taxes mandated. It is more expensive to add safety
equipment and inspections. It costs employers a lot to pay the
"match" on social security withholding. Workers take home less
because taxes are withheld, and sometimes they will not get jobs because they
lack the required certifications, minimum age, fail drug tests, etc.If you cannot find enough workers to do your jobs, you may need to pay higher
wages, work flexible hours or add benefits or other incentives. True, that will
raise costs and prices, but the market will determine if your product of service
is viable at the real cost involved. At the extremes, bank robbers
would take home less "income" to support their families if robbery
laws are enforced, so who bother enforcing them either?Therefore, I
don't want to hear all the whining about how obeying immigration laws will cost
more or be a hardship. Pass the bill and enforce the laws, all the
laws, especially the immigration laws!
If Neanderthal is correct (and I have no doubt he/she is) the state (and
country) is full of unindicted felons. I think law enforcement should get their
rears in gear and get some laws enforced. And that means you, AG Eric Holder
and his boss, Obama.
Where did the D-News get the data to support that "50% of Utah
businesses" are using E-Verify? The current list of Utah companies shows
less than 4000 are registered to use E-Verify. There are certainly more than
8000 businesses in this state!
State Law enforcement should make themselves aware that there is on the books a
federal laws making aiding and abetting illegal immigrants a felony.To wit: 8 USC 1324 - "A person (including a group of persons, business,
organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he: - assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the
U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or
assisting him or her to obtain employment..."Apparently, DNews
monitors would rather this fact not be known.
This article justifies sending every unskilled factory job to countries with
cheap labor such as China and India. It justifies sending most of our computer
programing technology jobs to India right along with the telephone customer
service. It justifies taking all low skilled, low pay work away from many
Americans and putting them on welfare.The jobs in dairy farming,
construction, hotels, landscaping, fast food, etc.,etc.. are no different than
the manufacturing, technology, etc. The only difference is these jobs can't be
exported!! The workers are imported!! Cheap labor whether exported or imported
is what it is all about.American manufacturers hate to have their
market flooded with cheap imports from cheap labor countries, but for some
reason think it is OK to import the cheap labor, and flood the unskilled labor
market. "Work that Americans won't do," is nonsense. If the wage is
high enough there will always be plenty of competent Americans willing to work.
The problem is that many consider the "immigrant labor" jobs beneath
them, because of the low wage.
@Brady: "...100,000 people out of work in Utah, and 10% unemployment in
the country? How can business not be filling their needs?"I
guarantee you, if the government would stop paying unemployment (which has been
extended now for up to 99 weeks) the unemployed American worker would flock to
these jobs... and would be willing to take reduced wages. As it now stands the
unemployed American doesn't look for work until his/her unemployment is about to
run out. The illegal worker doesn't have unemployment benefits to rely on so
they are significantly more motivated to not only take undesirable jobs but work
harder to keep them."It sounds more like business is trying to
depress wages in America using illegal labor."It's the illegal
worker that's depressing wages. They come here and drive wages down so low that
the American worker can't afford to take the jobs.
"...recently discovered one of the men on her construction crew immigrated
to the country illegally."Wait a minute... aren't they supposed
to be doing the jobs that Americans won't take?"She didn't fire
him. Instead, she found him a lawyer."She should have turned
him in for deportation."Utah law requires companies with 15 or
more employees to check workers' immigration status using the federal E-Verify
system."Utah law should be changed to require E-Verify for one
or more employees. I wold suspect that illegals will try to avoid employment
with less than 15 employees in order to duck under the radar screen."The enticement of jobs is a large part of the reason immigrants are
coming here illegally..."A situation that we have long
suspected. The truth of the matter is that we currently have 15 million
unemployed Americans sucking up billions in unemployment. We don't need any
help from outsiders. The more they come in and take Americans' jobs the more we
have to pay out in unemployment."Because there is no government
office monitoring the use of E-Verify..."I'll do it... free of
ICE needs to audit the businesses in the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce.
"satisfy the labor demand" 100,000 people out of work in Utah, and 10%
unemployment in the country? How can business not be filling their needs? It
sounds more like business is trying to depress wages in America using illegal
labor. If Park city can't find workers they can apply for visas
under the current laws, many go unused each year. I would suggest
Utah's business's get off welfare and start paying a competitive wage to
"If we get rid of the jobs, we will have fewer illegal immigrants."If we got rid of the legislature, we'd have fewer people like Chris
Herrod being quoted in the paper. Now, that's what I'd call progress.Nothing like proposing "job-killing" as a solution to our problems.
Maybe another great depression would solve all of Mr. Herrod's concerns.
E-verify should apply to any business and any application for a business license
in the state. So who reports business to law enforcement that a business or its
employees is illegal? Can citizens or other employees report them without
employers retribution?Or is it just left up to law enforcement as
another one of those laws they can choose to ignore? It seems the thing to do
these days, even in the white house.
"One company.signed up for E-Verify, fired its undocumented employees and
hired Americans."Assuming the company was not a federal
contractor, it violated the law because E-Verify can only be used to verify the
employment eligibility of new hires. "The Salt Lake Chamber of
Commerce opposes HB253, favoring instead a guest worker program."Business has consistently opposed anything that would limit the ability of
employers to hire low cost, illegal alien labor despite the fact that 75% of
illegal aliens use fraudulently obtained Social Security numbers (felony),
perjure themselves on I-9 forms (felony) and perhaps even commit identity fraud
(felony). Many people believe that businesses put profits ahead of
principle and that they knowingly sacrifice tens of thousands of Utah children
to illegal alien driven identity theft in order to hire illegal aliens. Proposed guest worker programs, in the eyes of many, are little more
than amnesty for illegal aliens and their employers. The victims of illegal
alien identity theft are totally ignored.Note: As used here,
amnesty occurs when elected officials grant a select group of people a benefit
derived from illegal actions that individuals who obey the law do not realize.
It's really the two sides of the republican party that can't reconsile with each
other. The business owners that LOVE the hard working cheap labor and the
republican workers types that have xenophobic or nationalistic tendencies.My father in law is a dyed in the wool republican. Yet is upset that his
good workers at his hotel had to be let go and he can't get the same quality
from the locals.You all slug it out.