It is simple, Mormons believe ALL other churches are wrong and only they have a
pipeline to God. All real Christians are offended by this as well as all other
religions the world over. Romney is a mormon and part of this thinking and his
allegiance is to his Church long before his nation and Constitution.He should not be in any elected office at all.
Dektol,All other religions think Mormons are wrong. If they didn't
- they'd do things like the Mormons do. It's why so many choose to get
offended. We would be lucky to have a business genius like Mitt in
the White House, unlike the guy who currently thinks the best thing to help us
financially is to spend on anything possible.
Oh man! Looks like as of right now, my choices for president are 1.
Barack Obama2. Mitt Romney3. Mike Huckabee4. Sarah Palin5. Donald TrumpCan you say "write in vote"?
Dektol, couldn't we say the same about Catholics? The fact that many Christian
denominations do not claim any special authority from God does not prevent LDS
people or the LDS church from being good neighbors and cooperating with people
of other faiths, or no faith, for issues and causes on which we agree. Why are
you getting so hung up on it? I'm sure Mitt Romney beleives as I do that Elders
of the LDS church are the only people on earth authorized by God to baptize in
the name of Jesus Christ, but last time I checked, baptism was not a role of the
President of the United States. Why is this an issue? Furthermore, your pipeline
to God statement is inaccurate to say the least. While LDS doctrine teaches that
the President of the Church is the only one on earth you can receive inspiration
from God for the whole earth, we also believe that very many, if not all, people
not of our faith may and do receive inspiration for themselves, their families,
and the people they lead. We do not believe we are the only ones with a pipeline
I find it sad that Newt Gingrich, who is probably the most intelligent of the
bunch, polls below even Palin. If Republicans actually pick Palin, they deserve
what they get. Even I will vote for Obama in that scenario.
Both socialist. Romney-care or obama-care? No thanks. RON PAUL defender of
the constitution for president!
Not being a mormon, I am an American and Mitt Romney is the best candidate for
what this country needs right now..Who cares what religion the president is, he
is either good for the country or he's not period. Dektal grow, up you have no
idea what it takes to run a country, one's religion is the least of it. But I
guess since you are a "REAL" Christian you can tell all the rest of us
what we should do. As far as Huckabee is concerned there is one word to describe
the fued between him and Romney "Jealousy" pure and simple. Huckabee
could care less about this country he's so jealous of Mitt he's blinded by his
%counter intelligence and Independent, I think maybe you are missing the point.
It is not a matter of historical christian believe, but the believe in the
non-historical Book of Mormon. It is like asking how much confidence do you put
in a politician who believes there is a santa claus work shop some where in the
north pole. Would this kind of unreassonabe thinking have an effect on how one
functions in the highest office in the land.
Those who want to attack mormonism need to find a better slant than the LDS
claim of singular authority. Such a claim is also held by Catholics, by Jews,
by Baptists and by many evangelicals. Sure, evangelicals may not claim that any
specific "church" has unique authority, but if your interpretation or
understanding of the Bible or the Gospel differs from theirs in the least, they
will let you know how wrong you are, and generally with far less tact than
either the LDS or Catholics might use.Those who wish to attack
mormonism also need to find a better reason than that some doctrines or
practices of mormonism appear strange to those outside the faith. The same
thing is true of most religious beliefs and atheists are quite good at making
any and all religious belief appear strange.Really, those who wish
to attack mormonism need to get a life and find something positive to do rather
than just tearing down and attacking. I enjoy a comparative religion discussion
so as to learn more about others' beliefs. I can't imagine spending any serious
time or effort attacking or mocking someone else'e beliefs. That is childish.
That's right Ted H. I was once asked by an Evangelical Christian why Mormons
think they're the only ones going to heaven. I explained to him that was a
simplistic half truth and a tactic used by critics of the church to attempt to
exclude Mormons from main stream Christianity, and that Mormons believe all who
keep their Covenants with the Lord will achieve a Degree of Glory after this
life. I then asked him the same question, if he thaught only Evangelicals would
go to heaven. In a very rehearsed manner he said that "only a person who
has accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior can be
"saved""...I asked again and got the same answer, we did the
dance, and I asked if as a Latter Day Saint I could be saved. He just kept
repeating the same thing. At that point I assumed he was indirectly telling me
that an active Mormon nor any other person who is not an Evangelical cannot be
saved. It seems Dektol has become confused about who thinks all other religions
Dektol is COMPLETELY off base about his/her characterization of Mormons and
Mormonism. But, anti Mormons always distort and mischaracterize when they
attack.Huckabee comes across as an affable character, but he is, at
heart, a mean politician. His hatred of Mitt is a combination of jealousy and
religious bigotry. If he's smart, he'll stay where he is. He can't win and he
can never raise the money necessary for a successful campaign.Newt
Gingrich is a genius and a brilliant communicator. However, he has a really
messy personal life that will bite him in the butt if he decides to run. I love
Newt, but I wish he hadn't made such poor personal choices. His recent
conversion to Catholicism isn't going to help him. He needs to keep on what
he's doing now. He's doing a great job.
Mitt has forgotten more about the economy than o has ever known. upchuckaby is a
typical bible thumping southern that can't stand the fact that a. Mitt is
sucessfulb. Mitt is very good lookingc. Very smartMost of the
prospective candidates don't enjoy one of these traits, let alone all three.
Let's see:Romney and Huntsman Jr are RINOs who like socialism lite.
Romney is at least pretty good on fiscal matters whereas Jr shows no evidence he
is. Both are socially liberal.Obama is socialism heavy who is
terrible on both fiscal and social matters.Huckabee was far less
conservative as governor than he was as presidential candidate. And he shows
significant signs of being a serious religious bigot.Palin upsets
the left but with only two years as governor is not ready for the top of the
ticket.Donald Trump is another rich celeb with zero political
experience.Newt Gingrich is conservative and has a brilliant
political mind, but extramarital affairs limit his ability to win with
conservatives.Jindal seems to have faded.My goodness,
where are the real conservatives with decent credentials?Maybe
Christe or Walker?
Huckabee is a hateful man who has no place in our political landscape.
Romney was favored by 19%, Huckabee 18%, Sarah Palin 10%, Donald Trump 8%, Newt Gingrich 7% and Tim Pawlenty 5%============ You've GOT to be kidding me!!!Looks like 6 more
years of Pres. Obama.
Oh brother, another Mickey Mouse Race.
Sergio, aren't you saying that anyone who beleives that Prophets have
Communicated with God is a fool? Wouldn't that disqualify every President we've
ever had in your mind? Please point out how beleiving that Noah built an Ark to
carry two of every animal or Moses dividing the Red Sea isn't any more of a leap
of Faith than also believing that Jesus Christ visited the Ancient America's and
that the Church of Jesus Christ has been restored through a Prophet in the last
days. Think about it.
We the People... is Huckabee more hateful than say Chris Buttars or Gayle
Dektol is obviously not very educated so cut him/her some slack.
The more I see Huckabee do the Evangelical TipToe around what he has said about
the LDS Church and Romney, the more disgusted I am. I'm NO fan of Romney, but
Huckabee? He's just another opportunist, and not much better than are resident
Yewtaw state legislators. He's less of a buffoon than Buttars or Herr Wimmer
though, only slightly so.
I can just see the debate now.One guy quoting from The Bible - the other
The Book of Mormon. Things get tense. Both men slamming the other in every way
they can (as is the nastiness of Conservative politics).Then, when all
else fails, Huckabee will as Romney:"What do you mean God hasn't
spoken to man since Moses."The result: Americans believing in the
Constitution's separation of church and state will reject both of these
To Huck: Slang for chuck,heave, throw.Mitt: Something to catch a ball or
object thrownHuck-a-bee: To throw a bee/Utahn/MormonUse in a
sentence: Didn't we see a Huckabee caught by Mitt when anti-Mormon forces were
unleashed in Iowa?
Even if Huckabee doesn't run just for that matter, don't be surprised if
Hunstman does. Doesn't seem to be any love loss between those two either!
I like Mike Huckabee. We are almost in total agreement politically. But he and
his ilk will trash a Mormon candidate, largely because the Mormons' concept of
the godhead is somewhat different from theirs. Now, if I am a Mormon, by using
Huckabee's very own stupid logic, I cannot support him.
%American First, I appreciate and I understand your point. However,I think the
disconnect is centuries of time in fables. I don't think there are many people
today baseing their life on Noah or Moses dated stories. But, the Book of Mormon
is the living bases of current believe and way of life and the search for the
identity of the Mormon People and the location of the Book of Mormon lands is a
question of reality and intellectural thought. Please understand: I do not know
the answer, and niether do you. Nevertheless, I enjoy the walk.
Both men are running for president, doing their research, organizing their
teams, analyzing their chances, and making the best decisions they can.
Huckabee would never run for president simply to make Romney's life difficult.
I see nothing of value in either of them. Both of them are merely politicians,
saying what they think is necessary to get themselves elected. There is nothing
to recommend either of them for president.I guess I'll be voting for
my son's cat again.
Mike is a bigot. I thought he changed but he's one of those on-so-nice to
people while he secures their loyalty and vote but inside he's extremely
intolerant. Not presidential material in many more ways than that.It doesn't help that he has a women-like jealously of Mitt's good looks
"Would this kind of unreassonabe thinking have an effect on how one
functions in the highest office in the land."It's pretty sad
when we can't just respect each other's religious beliefs, and instead we just
call them unreasonable. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of reasonable
people accept the Book of Mormon on faith. Not because they can prove that it's
a historical record, but because they have a sincere, honest religious
conviction that it is God's word. You are certainly free to disagree, but to
call us all unreasonable and disqualify us from holding political office because
of it, is well...unreasonable. I suppose you are free to be unreasonable.
"Newt Gingrich is a genius and a brilliant communicator. However, he has a
really messy personal life that will bite him in the butt if he decides to
run."This is true, but just how long should we hold this
against him? Just think of all of the political wisdom we would have missed out
on if they had held Benjamin Franklin to the same standard.
True, Ben Franklin wasn't held to the same standard as Gingrich will be. But
then again, Franklin never preached intolerance the way Gingrich does and
Franklin never ran for President. Franklin was not a hypocrite.There
is a big lack of tolerance in the right wing of the Republican Party- and much
of this includes the attitudes of many towards Mormon beliefs. Utah Mormons like
to think they are part of the religious right and Tea Party, but reality will
show otherwise if there is a pitch battle between Huck and Mitt.
Romney would be used by the Mormon missionaries and others as a selling point or
tool for the Mormon Church.Mormons are excluded from the 'PALE' of
Christianity by The Manhattan Declaration: A Call of Christian Conscience is a
manifesto issued by Catholic, Orthodox Christian, and Protestant leaders to
affirm support of "the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and
religious liberty". It was drafted on October 20, 2009 and released
November 20, 2009, having been signed by more than 150 American religious
leaders. United by the Tri-une God of the Bible.Catholic Answers considers
Mormonism a non-Christian religion. Just becaue you have a car in the garage
does not make one a mechanic.
Mike and Mitt need to have a closed door luncheon, where they can air everything
out on the table.
We are not electing a religion, many wonder if Obama is Muslim, what if he is?
That has nothing to do with how he runs the country. I have never considered
religion to vote for or against a person. I would not vote because someone is
the same religion or race as I am, I vote for what they can do for this country.
Sergio, if main stream Christians build their moral foundation on just plain old
stories that have simply evolved into fantastic fables over time (I do not
believe that they do), and there is no belief in Miracles or a Higher Power then
why have a religion at all? There are plenty of fables, legends and myths
through out World History from many ancient cultures and people that have wise
and positive messages. I've seen some of the programs on so called
"educational" television that reduce the stories of the Bible into
more "worldly" more "beleivable" terms, but how does that
exercise Faith? Alot of people now see their Church as a place to simply
improve their standing in the community, a status symbol, not as a place to
strengthen their Faith. The Stories of the Book of Mormon are from ancient
times, the difference is that they have not been altered to fit the political
agenda of Kings and Rulers throughout the Dark Ages. It only makes sense that
Gods hand would be extended to help guide his people through these perilous
times when the Devil runs free.
I might just vote for Obama in 2012 because he does such a great job of
energizing the conservative movement.
As a Mormon, I would be proud, just proud, to do what I did in 2008, and that is
actively and openly support that great American and leader, who has restored my
faith in America, President Obama!
It is not Mr. Huckabee's fault that Iowa (evangelical) is the first state in the
primary process. I like Huckabees sense of humor (he teases
Baptists---saying with 2 Baptists in a room there are 7 opinions on an issue),
and I like his playing the guitar, and his being a preacher gives him a talent
to think on his feet that not even Harvard could teach.
Huckabee is conveniently forgetting that the Constitution forbids any religious
test as a condition of the presidency. A candidate's religion (or
lack thereof) is irrelevant. It is the individual's credentials and character
that are most important.Too bad the media are so quick to jump on
the religion bandwagon whenever Huckabee speaks. They are doing the country a
huge disservice by continuing to highlight what should be a non-issue.
@donn, I can easily imagine a Romney presidency doing Mormonism as much harm as
good, but in any case I don't think it will make a very effective selling point
for the missionaries. I certainly doubt people were flocking to George Bush's
or Barack Obama's churches as a result of their presidencies...As
for the car mechanic bit, I guess when God is walking you step by step through
the repair process, you don't worry about job titles.
I don't think there is much to this story. It doesn't strike me any more than
heresay and rumor. Obviously, in '08 there was the posturing and nay-saying that
goes with the political process and it did get personal when Mitt's religion
became an issue. However, Huckabee is correct when he states that a lot of
personal sacrifice goes into a campaign and to just base it on one's dislike of
a certain candidate and his religion is ludicrous. There would have to be a
whole lot more reason for Mike Huckabee to get into a presidential campaign than
a dislike of Mitt Romney.
Oh, those funny, funny conservatives.They can't even get along with each
other - the big sillies.
The problem here is that both of these men are Governors.To govern a state
requires a certain amount of Socialism by nature where as the job of President
should be limited to presiding over the Country as provided by the Constitution.
And nothing more.
Funny, "conservative" evangelicals would rather elect Obama than a
Once again our presidential hopefuls are hopeless.Our choices are cancer
and AIDS which means Obama wins again.I am LDS and do not like Romney. So
stop the sterotypes. I do not like what Obama has done to the country one bit
and think he had done a horrible job. Obama is Bush on steroids.But I
would vote for Obama over Mike Hickabee anyday. Huckabee should be in prison for
releasing all those dangerous killers and criminals out of prison. Just look
what he did as govennor. Think what he will do as President. People who hate one
group of people always hate lots of other groups of people also. Have you ever
been to the south before?It is no secret who Huckabee really is.I
wish Sammy Hagar would run for President. Like the old Montross song Sammy Hagar
would "Rock the Nation"!Other great people to run for President
would be Alveda King Clint Eastwood Tom Sellek and Charles Barkley! We
dont have much of a choice. I doubt Sarah Palin will even run. I would vote for
her.I might just vote for Ron Paul who has no chance to win.
Back in 2008 I was very impressed with Huckabee. I had confidence in him
because of his apealing demeanor and good answers. But, when I looked at his
web site and read a whole bunch of anti Mormon diatribe, I was very disapointed
even shocked. He's smooth on the outside but one thing we don't need is a
religious bigot no matter how self righteous he tries to appear. Every time I
look at him I see a phoney. I have several good friends who are evangelical and
we often correspond about religious things but I never, never have mocked or
tried to distort their beliefs. Do do so is anti Christian and
"Christians" who mock and distort other's beliefs are just using their
profession of Christianity to vent their hatred. Their methods reveal the being
in whom they really plcace their trust. Huckabee needs to apologize to
Latter-Day Saints for his vicious and ugly lies about them when he ran before.
I'd vote for Obama before I'd vote for Huckabee and I can't stand Obama.
esq.:good luck campaigning for a one term president....o
This what "conservative" evangelicals look for in a candidate.1. Pro-Life2. Pro-Guns3. Non-Mormonand of
course, the promise of never ending welfare checks.
After Huckabees 2008 performance I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher. While
he was Governer of Arkansas he pardoned a murderer who went on to murder a lady
in the state of Washington. Sort of reminds us of Dukokus in 1988. He one of
two people I see on Fox News that I change stations when they show their dumb
face. The other one is Obama. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints and quite happy, However, I would vote for Newt, Mitt or any
of the Republican candidates except Hickabee or Palan. Competence means a whole
lot more then religion.
And now you know why the NY Post, who is owned by Fox News' Rupert Murdoch, ran
an article yesterday attacking Mitt. Huckabee is an employee of
News Corp and Murdoch wants one of his own as President.Wait until
Huckabee joins the race and you will see the Fox people like Hannity, O'Reilly,
and Glenn Beck line up behind Huckster.
The real question here still seems to be whether this newspaper is playing
cheerleader for a particular candidate, apparently based on religion. Maybe
that is just my perception; but it is a perception that this paper does seem to
re:IndependentNewt Gingrich???Get serious. On January
21, 1997, the House voted 395 to 28 to reprimand Gingrich, including a $300,000
cost assessment to recoup money spent on the investigation. This was the first
time in the House's history that the Speaker had been disciplined for ethics
violations.Gingrich is a serial adulterer. Gingrich began an
affair with House of Representatives staffer Callista Bisek (now his 3rd wife)
who is 23 years his junior; they continued their affair during the Lewinsky
I personally do not think either Mitt or Mike care for one another -- nor do
Sarah or Newt. I do not think this is hatred, but none of them care for the
rest of the field.I do find Huckabee slick as a used car salesman of
luxury autos. I do not trust him. He seems full of deception and guile --
seems self-centered, arrogant (yet not nearly as much as Obama) and an
opportunist.I do want Newt to run. It will raise the level of the
competition -- dramatically.I have read both "No Apology"
and "To Save America". Both are excellent. I would be pleased with
either Mitt or Newt as our next President.
This is not a fair fight. Huckabee needs only to mention the word
"Mormon" 3 or 4 times to the wacky evangelicals that are the core of
the Republican party and it's once again over for Mitt.
It is poor logic to follow...All Mormons believe this, ...Mitt is a Mormon,
...therefore Mitt believes the following...Let the man speak for
himself!What does Obama really think of the Godhead? Who cares?!!!!!
Problem with Newt is his morals. Mark Sanford, a Republican, betrayed his wife
and his status in the Republican party has vanished. Bill Clinton, the Kennedy
brothers, Spitzer, all Democrats and adulterers and hypocrites, are worshiped by
the Democrats. Both Romney, Huckabee and Palin and I think most other
Republicans who are front runners, have good marriages. Why is it that
feminists tend to lean Democrat when it is obvious that Republicans have much
more respect for women?
@Dektol 12:04pm:"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty
God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same,
to worship how, where, or what they may". As educated as you are I am
sure you know the source of this quote.If ever there was a man of
tolerance, it was the founder of the "Mormon" Church. "... only they have a pipeline to God..." Who said this??"He should not be in any elected office at all".
OHBased on your "opinion" - it is clear how tolerant you
Huckabee's "talkshow" is painful to watch...Him playing
bass with world class musicians, then his "Glen Beck" type speech on
world issues at the end.Let the guy run, and fuel his own
destruction of his own campaign...I'm not a "Mitt Fan",
but Huckabee is a joke...
How would a religious bigot handle the Middle East and China?
I'm not a church member, but I'd much rather see Romney as president than
Huckabee... Huckabee is barely a step above Palin on the moron scale.
Coming out of the last Presidential campaign, Huckabee has found his spot with
Fox News. If people truly rise to the level of incompetence, Mr. Huckabee has
arrived. He should plan on retiring with Fox.
To sergio - ArizonaThe Book of Mormon is another testiment of Jesus
Christ. If you don't believe me, then read it cover to cover, not just bits and
pieces. When you get to the end, you will know that it teaches the Gospel of
Jesus Christ. That said, would someone, then, who believes in the Bible also
not qualify to be president of the U.S? Your comparison using Santa Clause and
the north pole, is ludicrus and hilarious.
I am voting for root canal to be President. It is far less painful than the
presidential candidates we have had in the past few years.Unfortunately
Mitt Romney is one of the best people who might run. I am LDS and i do not care
what religion Romney is. I would rather vote Sarah Palin or Ron Paul.Mike
Huckabee is terrible. He would make a terrible President. He might be the worst
presidential hopeless to ever run next to David Duke. And biggoted.
"Does Mike Huckabee really hate Mitt Romney so much he'd run for president
just for the chance to throw haymakers at his old rival?"Hmmm.
After observing Huckabee in the 2008 race and since, I'd say the guy has a
passive-aggressive streak that is a mile wide. And, that he views Romney as a
representative of a LOT of what he hates.So, yes, I'd say he REALLY
hates Mitt Romney. But, perhaps not enough to actually reenter the grueling
race for the Presidency. In that case, his passive overcomes his aggression.
But, you can bet he'll continue to take pot shots from afar.
To Donn:Your first point - WRONG! Mormon missionaries are taught to not
discuss politics as they meet with people. Mitt's name will not even be brought
up. If asked, they will state that yes, he is a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. If they wanted to know what Mitt believes,
they would merely need to listen to the teachings of the missionaries and they
would know.Second, Mormons ARE Christians. We believe in the Godhead, we
believe that Christ was born by way of a virgin conceiving, we believe the Bible
to be the word of God, we accept Christ as our personal Savior, and we dedicate
our entire lives to Him and to Heavenly Father. Our belief is a bit different,
in that we believe God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate
personages, but that they are ONE in PURPOSE. That difference does not make us
non-Christians. Our church is even named after the Savior. We believe there is
truth in all religions, respecting their teachings. Our Prophet, Gordon B.
Hinckley said, "Come and bring all the good things from your churches and
let us add to them.
Now this is strange, (a Mormon also) Glenn Beck has been heavily attacked by
organizations funded by George Soros for comments Glenn made while exposing the
"puppet master" over the past few months. I feel that Mitt Romney is
more a "puppet master" (another Mormon) then Mike Huckabee is. What
if the shoe was on the other foot, and, Glenn Beck has been heavily attacked by
organizations funded by Mitt Romney and his anti-tea-party click?. What would
Sarah Palin say then?. We all know that Mike Huckabee will trash a Mormon
candidate any time and any place. Being more then politically correct here now,
is these two love each other so much, then get a room, if they hate each other
so much, then, get into a boxing ring and really slug it out, see who walks out
of the ring wearing the thrown. As far as The White House is concerned, both
need to "walk away", stand down, and don't even think about it, we
don't need John McCain to skateboard into it, and crash the planet again, like
he did in 2008, because of these two. That's my view.
I heard Chris Christie is forming a exploratory committee for 2012. He said he
wasn't interested in 2012 but he probably looked at the Republican field and
realized now is as good a time as any. I am a Mormon but I think, ideally, I
would like to see Christie for President, Romney for Treasury Secretary, and
Huckabee and Palin can keep their t.v. shows. I agree with a lot of what Ron
Paul says, but I am sorry to say that he is not electable.
LOL. I can't wait to see which Mormon the Bible belt circuit candidate will
attack the most.Romney or Huntsman?Get used to it Dixieland. We're
In that party religion matters. Romney has no hope unless he changes to a
I lived in Iowa for the 2008 campaign. There is a whole industry there in the
Midwest of traveling scare mongers. They preach things that were discredited 150
years ago as pure bunk as doctrine of the LDS church. Entire congregations
accept this garbage by people making a living selling it. They get paid their
mileage to drive there, a fee and or a free will offering. I guess it's a good
living and takes little effort, just regurgitate and never investigate the
A couple years ago when I lived in Chicago we were visiting someone who happened
to have the radio on. He was listening to Michael Savage. Savage was talking
about the usual, then the topic turned to Mormons. He said he didn't get why
people hated Mormons so much, and that Reid and Romney are not bad people. Then
he flat out said that Mitt Romney is the best man for President of the United
States.Romney will have support. I know not all Mormons like him,
but many of those are not politically-educated people who live in liberal places
that brainwash everyone. Huckabee hates him enough to run just to prevent Mitt
from winning, but hopefully many people will recognize Romney's credentials,
swallow their pride and vote for him because they want what's best for America.
Panamadesnews: "Mormons ARE Christians. we believe that Christ was born by
way of a virgin[birth]conceiving, we believe the Bible to be the word of God[as
translated correctly].Joseph Fielding Smith They tell us the Book of
Mormon states that Jesus was begotten by the Holy Ghost. I challenge that
statement. The book of Mormon teaches No such Thing! Neither does the Bible!
Doctrines of Salvation, Vol 1:19. Check Alma 7:10 and Mt 1:18.Our belief
is a bit different, in that we believe God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are
three separate personages(3 gods see Mormon doctrine pp 576-577), or polytheism
,Christians are monotheist.There is a big difference. It's hard to fool
me, I left the church years ago when I became a Christian.
It is no secret that Huckabee hates Mormons. He showed his prejudice in the
last election. I'm not sure why Utahns like Republicans so much when they hate
Mormons so badly.
Huckabee's trashing of Mitt in 2008 gave rise to That Old Guy-Palin ticket that
gave us Obama. Therefore, it Huckabee's hatred of the LDS religion gave us
"Jimmy Carter's 2nd Term." Thanks so much Mike. I haven't really
enjoyed seeing 10 % permanent unemployment and additional trillions added to the
@sergio" It is not a matter of historical christian believe,
but the believe in the non-historical Book of Mormon."I don't
get it. Parts of the Christian Bible, although supposedly historical, is a bit
strange, and many people such as Huckabee actually believe it. Actually, more
strange than the B of M ever thought of being. Try Jonah in the belly of a
whale or the Noah and his ark with two of every kind on the face of the earth
story.Huckabee hates Mitt for his religion which totally
disqualifies Huckabee for the office of president. Because any candidate for
that office is duty bound to ignore the religion of other candidates.
No Mormon can win without the support of the Evangelicals and no Evangelical can
win without the support of the Mormons so get used to Obama.
@JSB:"Mark Sanford, a Republican, betrayed his wife and his
status in the Republican party has vanished. Bill Clinton, the Kennedy brothers,
Spitzer, all Democrats and adulterers and hypocrites, are worshiped by the
Democrats."You have inadvertently identified the difference
between a conservative and a liberal. Conservatives get dinged for faltering.
Liberals are expected to falter so they get off scott free... and are even
worshiped, as you point out.
I'm sorry, I don't see a Romney/Huckabee feud. I have seen a small
man (Huckabee) attacking Romney and the LDS Church at every opportunity, but
haven't seen any such response from Romney since the last election (and even
then Romney didn't attack Huck's religion). Is it really a feud when
only one person it spewing vitriol?
I believe "Huckleberry" stated the feud with his anti-mormon comment
during the last election. If you recall our dear "Huckleberry" said
"Don't Mormons believe that .....". You fill in the blank.
"Huckleberry" said this during his political tour of the south.
Unfortunately, it backfired and if he does win the Republican nomination many of
the wise LDS would be better served to deny this bigot the Presidential office.
Anybody but "Huckleberry".
Huckleberry's jealousy of Mitt is simply astonishing and sad to say the least.
He needs to stay where he is, playing in his little band on his little TV
Its difficult to represent everyone in America, but that is what the president
does to the best they are able. Would Mike Huckabee do his best to represent me
as an American Mormon? Im not so sure. But the same question could be asked
from any other individual of any other candidate. Would any of the candidates
represent anyone else to the best of their ability? How will any candidate work
to represent all of us, and tackle all of the issues that we are dealing with
and come up with the most fair and workable solutions to these issues? I think
we all of us want security, whether it is security from enemies of the U.S,
financial security, security in our property, jobs, education, health, and to
believe as we will. How will any candidates insure our security?
Mitch Daniels looks better all the time.
If Romney was all that, he wouldn't have to worry about Huckabee or anyone else
for that matter now would he?
I read this story online Tuesday evening and thought it to be a trivial bit of
metajournalism fluff, a rehash of what a few blogs are reporting. I was
flabbergasted to see it given A1 above-the-fold treatment in this morning's
print edition. The DesNews is suffering from its newsroom shake-up.
This fuss about Romney or Huckabee shows how shallow the choices are on the
Republican side to run against President Obama. There is not a republican in
sight that can beat Obama. Especially now in the tea party continues to
dominate on the republican side. They are not even thinking - they just want to
slash and burn. Their idea to make a big fuss over a small slice of the budget
instead of intelligently working on Social security, medicare and mecicaid
shows how shallow they are and how unlikely the republicans can find a person
who can beat Obama.
%Alfred SLC,UT: I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I think
the difference between the historical Christian Bible and the non-historical
Book of Mormon is that the Bible has roots; there is a geographical location and
identifiable social and written history of its being. As you say some of the
stories are beyond believe, but they can be traced to a real land and
civilization. The Book of Mormon people and land have no reality. That is the
thought I was expressing. If I am wrong I will appreciate your correcting me. I
would love for the Book of Mormon to be true. But I do not believe it.
Our biggest concerns as a nation are economic. I think Romney can lead us
through these times better than any other candidate. Is he the perfect
candidate? No...The perfect candidate isn't here...he hasn't
Tempest in a teapot.Lots of GOP peopkle here with their feelings
exposed and hurt as Mitt is taking heat.What goes around comes
around. Mitt has been trashing Obama instead of leading out and making himself
the clear leader. Did he or anyone think Huckaby was going to ride
off into the sunset?Now the GOP is bereft of leadership. As a
member of the GOP I am looking to vote for the leader who will actually cut
defense spending and spend more on education.Since the election last
year when we showed the dem's the door I have yet to notice how life has
improved in our country. We are still broke, out of work and the debt load is
increasing. I feel so much better now.Does anyone see a pattern
here? Red or blue it doesn't matter who gets elected they do whatever they want
not what they were elected to do.
What amazes me is the so many LDS in Utah would vote for Sarah Palin who
supports the same religious views as Mike Huckabee. They fail to realize when
buying her books or attending a talk, she dispizes the LDS religion. But
because she is a Republicans, LDS people compromise their feelings and support
I would love to see Huckabee become the repub nominee just to watch repubs in
this state squirm.What would all those LDS repubs do, the ones who believe
political views and religion are synonymous?Could they vote for a mormon
bashing born-again christian?I'm torn though, seeing Palin try to run a
campaign would be a lot of fun as well.If repubs were smart they would get
behind Huntsman. He's the only repub who would make a good president.
Huntsman is a good man. He could be a good president, but it will never happen.
He is an active Mormon. Because of his religion he could never be elected
president. At this time - it just would not happen. Huntsman would beat
Romney easily. Romney is too busy sticking his finger in the air to see which
way the wind is blowing. a real flip flopper!!
Don't discount Mitt Romney. As a resident in So. Cal. and who meets many people
working in health care, I can tell you, most of my contacts (and even patients)
wanted Mitt, in 2008.What the media fails to report, is that the larger
voting block for Reps is not the Evangelicals of the South, but the nationwide
Independent voters.And the vast majority of them, according to the polls,
want Mitt for 2012.This time around, even many of the Evangelicals are
beginning to wake up and give Romney a second look.Not all Evangelicals
are knee-jerk idiots, like the media portrays them. Many of my Evangelical
friends told me they also would have voted for Romney, last election.Don't
believe all of the "divide and conquer" tactics of the Left leaning
media. They want to stir up the pot with the GOP.
Oh, the joys of being a presidential candidate (again).
morpunkt: excellent comment and analysis. the left leaning media can help to
ensure a re-election (by default) of the Obama administration by doing their
best to reduce the message of the Republican/conservative/tea-party movements to
these types of squabbles.Let's do our best to not get caught up in
such tactics. To do so will further take our great nation down.
Just who doesn't think their own religion, or lack of religion, is correct?
Dektol has taken a page from old anti-Mormon hate literature. Something more
relevant and factual should be the basis for any criticism of Romney.
Huckabee will never get my vote simply because he is responsible for that awful,
pointless, directionless show on Fox News.Humor aside though, the
man is a snake-oil salesman. That is to say a person who puts on a certain face
for the public's eye, but privately harbors deep routed prejudice and
grudges.The man still hasn't forgiven Romney for running negative
campaign ads in the 08 election. These ads weren't any different from any other
ad aimed at any political rival in any race, yet the Huckster felt somehow he
was wronged in a cruel and unusual manner, and he still folds his arms and
murmurs about it even to this day. (might I add that the ads were 100% accurate
in pointing out Huck's shortcomings by the way.)Also the man still
hasn't forgiven Romney for being a Mormon. Could anyone in good conscience elect
an Anti Semite? Then why or why would anyone think to elect an Anti Mormon, or
anti anything for that matter?Do the country a favor. Say no to
donnSince when do other people get to vote as to whether I or God
consider me a Christian? That is a completely illogical argument. Furthermore, the very idea of a group of people VOTING on what a religious
doctrine should be is intrinsically flawed. Groups of people decide things
poorly all the time: Hitler, slavery, the Armenian genocide....
I was in Iowa during the last primary run by Romney and Huckabee. Romney was
the candidate endorsed by most of the Republican power base. Huckabee entered
the race late with the slogan "Huckabee, the Christian candidate."
Every protestant and fundamentalist preacher in the state knew exactly what was
being said, and they rallied the troops. Romney won the cities and lost the
rural counties. Huckabee acted coy and innocent in public statements, but his
campaign was purposely directed to those who think that Mormons are
automatically disqualified from national office because of their religious
affiliation. Huckabee is either a bigot himself, allows himself to be used by
others, or is remarkably cynical.
I'm LDS, but am not a Romney fan. His politics change depending on who the
potential voters are. I want someone who has a consistent record so
I know what to expect from them should they win. I also want someone who
actually follows the Constitution. That would be extremely refreshing: no
undeclared wars, no Presidentially appointed Czars, no suspending an American's
rights because you label them a "terror suspect".... As
for this "feud," one bigot taking pot-shots at another man for his
religion is not a feud; It is a man who is showing his true character. I, for
one, do not want ANY bigot (regardless of where his hatred lies) in the highest
office in the land.
Huckabee should just stick to tv. I would never vote for him .
re: Brian "No Mormon can win without the support of the Evangelicals and no
Evangelical can win without the support of the Mormons so get used to
Obama"Repubs can and will win without the LDS vote. They win
most conservative states without the needing the LDS vote to win.
fresnogirl,"Since when do other people get to vote as to whether I or God
consider me a Christian?"Christian Scientists deny the resurrection
of Jesus,are they Biblical Christians?Ye shall know them by their
fruits and Beware of false prophets. Fruits can be doctrines and Jesus gives
Christians (Catholic,Protesant,Orthodox) the right to be
fruit(doctrine)inspectors. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge
righteous judgment (John 7:24).Mormon Doctrine, "From LDS
Revelation, however, we learn that Jehovah is the English form of the actual
name by which the Lord Jesus was known anciently.(D&C. 110:3;Abra.
2:8)." Wrong,Google Tetragrammaton. JS saw the KJV not Jesus,poor
Yaaaaawn, nothing is actually happening.
In my mind there's no better testimony of the truthfulness of the LDS Gospel
than the actions of the frantic demons who thrash against it.
@American First, you need to take a good look in the mirror.
Never going to forget Huckabee's snide "brother of Jesus bit." He
showed his true colors on that occasion. I doubt anything has changed.
donn, unfortunately for your argument, Christianity is not an episode of
Survivor where you get to vote on whether or not someone belongs on the island.
Only God gets to do that.
fresnogirl,"Christianity is not an episode of Survivor where you get to
vote on whether or not someone belongs on the island. Only God gets to do
that." So True,For He(God) Predestined us(Christians) to be to be
adopted as his sons through Jesus Chris in accordance with his pleasure and
will.(Ephesians 1:5) or It does not therefore depend on mans effort but
on Gods mercy.(Romans 9:16) Gods Sovereign Choice not Ours.
Sadly, many Christians have been taught to hate members of Christ's Church, even
thinking they do God service by attacking them. LDS have been taught
to love all, and that, while the philosopher's creeds, and those pushing them,
have caused many tortures etc, still, all of God's kind loving children will go
to Heaven, and our mutual Father and God, Jesus Christ, loves all and died for
ALL: Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist etc. We understand, and the
Bible supports it, that we are saved by grace, but everyone is rewarded
according to their works. It isn't surprising that many hateful
people are here attacking LDS, some calling themselves Christians. Some have
admitted to dishonesty (on Mike Ash articles), but say that lying leads to
salvation etc. (I know, i don't get it either : )) Most feel it's ok
twist views of LDS although they understand what LDS actually believe(that
Jesus, is Creator of all, AND FIRSTborn of many, and while He was God before and
is still God, He was once "man" born of Mary, and is exalted etc)I would have a hard time supporting Huckabee, with his hateful heart for
Sergio said: "It is not a matter of historical christian believe, but the
believe in the non-historical Book of Mormon. It is like asking how much
confidence do you put in a politician who believes there is a santa claus work
shop some where in the north pole. Would this kind of unreassonabe thinking have
an effect on how one functions in the highest office in the land."Ridiculous! Did JFK's belief in transubstantiation (e.g., the doctrine that
Christ is literally re-sacrificed upon the altar during Catholic mass and
congregants literally partake of his literal flesh and literal blood) affect how
he functioned in the highest office? Most Christian religions vehemently reject
transubstantiation, but it made no difference in electing the man.
I have a pony.Seriously? People's perception of Mormonism is what
most of you choose to debate?Calling Obama a socialist or Romney a
RINO are both absurd generalizations, and debating over someone's faith is even
less useful. 80% of the U.S. population falls within the centered 10% of the
political spectrum, including every presidential candidate since the two-party
system was solidified. They have to be if they are going to get elected. If the Tea Party isn't careful, they will kill a conservative run for
the presidency even before it gets going. Quite a few elections have created a
win for the other team because of strong third party runs.What does
all of this mean? The real distinction between Huckabee and Romney is not very
large at all. If people keep fighting over their supposed religious backgrounds
because that gives them distinction, those efforts will actualy work against the
GOP in 2012.
"If Romney was all that, he wouldn't have to worry about Huckabee or anyone
else for that matter now would he?"Theoretically this statement
is true, but remember we are talking about the same group of American voters who
elected Obama as president.
Dixie Dan said: "[LDS] fail to realize when buying [Palin's] books or
attending a talk, [Palin] dispizes (sic) the LDS religion."How
in the world did you conclude this? Do you have any facts to back up this
unsupported accusation? While Palin may not be the most experienced politician,
I feel that she is probably one of the more level-headed and tolerant out there.
Plus, she is a frequent guest on Glenn Beck's radio show and spoke
at his 8/28 rally in DC. If she "despises" the LDS Church so much, as
you assume, why would she freely associate with one of its more prominent
I normally try to stay out of these ridiculous religious debates that
Evangelical "Christians" seem to enjoy starting up. There is one that
makes the fiery indignation of Paul seep into my being and that is the assertion
that members of the Church of Jesus Christ do not think that Christ is the sole
reason why we can obtain salvation and exaltation. The aforementioned assertion
is fallacious at its best and at its worst a lie deserving of punishment found
in the 9th Bolgia of Dante's Inferno.I affirm again that I as a
member do indeed hold to the fact that Christ is the sole reason for salvation.
For, assuming that there was no redemption and resurrection, the world would be
"angels to a devil" and "shutout from the presence of God"
to "remain in misery" (2 Ne 9:9). Furthermore the Church declares that
we are unprofitable servants for the works that we do are not done of our own
power. No, they are done according to the strength that Christ gives us through
his Grace. (see Grace LDS Bible Dictionary). The only things that we can
possibly do is repent. Not once but everyday.
Through which we draw closer to our God and become no longer enemies but
servants, children, and friends. Yet still they who oppose will read what has
been written and remain in darkness as to the truth of what I have said and not
attempt to redact their false words. For they choose to be blind and are as the
pharisees who say that "When it is evening...It will be fair weather: for
the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky
is red and lowring."Furthermore you bring in religion where it
is not needed for was it not Christ who said "Render that which is Caesar
unto Caesar and unto God that which is God's"? So with this presidential
race is this not a thing of Caesar's, in other words of civil governments?
If it comes down to huckster and Obama I will vote for big "O"hopefully it won't but we''ll see
@The Reader:"There is not a republican in sight that can beat
Obama."Obama can be beaten very simply. Just bring up the
birth certificate issue and he's toast. Ask him to produce his as a condition
to run fof pres.Hawaii's Governor Abercrombie couldn't locate the
certificate and opined that one did not exist.I think Mitt should
print his birth certificate on T-shirts and hand them out to his supporters.
Would make a great campaign statement.------------------@sergio: "The Book of Mormon people and land have no reality. That is
the thought I was expressing. If I am wrong I will appreciate your correcting
me."The book was written by Smith in about three months. An
amazing fete for a young lad in his early 20s."I would love for
the Book of Mormon to be true. But I do not believe it."Don't
form an opinion until you've read it.
JM:"We understand,and the Bible supports it, that we are saved by grace,
but everyone is rewarded according to their works. "Context, "For it is by grace you have been saved through faith and this not of
yourselves,it is a gift of God, not by works so that no one can boast, For we
are Gods workmanship[work of art],created in Christ Jesus to do good
works,Which God prepared in 'advance' for us to do.(Ephesian 2:8-10 ) JM,"LDS actually believe(that Jesus,is Creator of all, AND FIRSTborn of
many. "Context, He is the image of the 'INVISIBLE God' the firstborn
(prototokos) over all creation.(Col 1:15)Vines Biblical words p.240,or google
it,for the Christian view. His priority to and preeminence over creation, not in
the sense of first to be born". Example, "I will appoint
him(David) my firstborn the most exalted of the Kings of the earth.(Psalm
89:27). King David was not literally the first born.
re: Max | 5:03 a.m. Feb. 23, 2011 Good call. Isn't his show filler
between Professor Beck & Hannity's rah rah hour?
A side not to all this...America is so cool. We act like the difference between
the American left wing and the American right wing are so far apart. But,
coming from South America with 30 parties or more; Americans in general really
have the same end goal just some slightly different means.
Anyone who believes a person's religion disqualifies them from serving as
President doesn't deserve our vote. Huckabee torpedoed Romney in Iowa by
playing the religion card. He should never again be considered a serious
candidate. One of the most basic founding principles of this country is freedom
to follow the religion of your choice. The pilgrims came here for that.
Religion should not be a factor in the Presidential race.
OK. I am going to try to post this again and hope I get to see this on here. Huckabee needs a reality check and I hope the media remembers he did
this....While governer of Arkasas he (according to the press in 2000)set free
many 'hardened criminals'. Yes, folks, to save money he put criminals on the
streets again. Two of which ended up committing murder. One even killed a cop.
What's he thinking if he decides to run? He will only serve to
distract people from any viable LDS candidate by making it all about religion.
Besides, what does which religion you belong to have to do with being a good
president? Example: JFK and now we only have to see our current one to see you
can say what you want to get elected (I'm a Christian), but what matters is what
you do. Are you going to stand for the majority of the wants of America and
what is right? Or what a few want?
Is a candidate's religion, or lack thereof, a major factor in the minds of
voters? How does that factor compare with the candidate's ability to rally the
citizens, and execute foreign policy, and conduct the fiscal business?Judging from the comments following this story, religion is first and foremost
in the minds of the commenters.(Our current president seems to be
generally non-religious, but he has also polarized the citizens and doesn't seem
to have much of a gift at management or foreign affairs, either. Will he be
rewarded with another 4 years of photo ops and White House parties?)
I stopped liking Huckabee when he 'innocently' made that statement about Mormons
believing Christ and Satan are brothers and then claimed he didn't know if that
was true or not. Huckabee was a former theology student and knew full well
Mormons believed it and said it simply to stir up trouble.The guy is
a chameleon with a lying tongue.Sad, because without him splitting
the vote, Mitt would most likely earn the nomination and give America a fighting
chance to repair the destruction that Obama and the other liberal fools have
What about a ticket with Mitt as President and Newt as VP?Or maybe
Mitt as President and Sheryl (sp?) Bachman as VP?Or Mitt and Ron
Paul. AHH!.....now THAT would be interesting.Business sense
(Romney) to satisfy those who think Obama couldn't lead a group of Girl Scouts
out of a wet paper sack and a Constitutionalist (Paul) to appease the Tea
Party.We shall see!
Why all the fuss? I thought this was an election for a President of our country
who can help America return to financial greatness, not for a leader of your
religion. Who cares if he is Mormon? He knows how to turn America around. He
knows how to get people working again. He knows how to get America working
again. Just cool your biased Religious phobia and help America get
back on track. We need fewer egotistical, religious bigots and more Americans
who want our country to be great. Romney is just what America needs. He is a
Christian as well. He is hard working. He believes in family, in marriage, and
in us. Please don't be that crab who pulls down anyone who wants to get us out
of this mess. Let's get behind him and give him a lift. Think of your
children. We need a champion.
re: fresnogirl | 10:58 a.m. Feb. 23, 2011 Isn't consistent
politician an oxymoron?
Here we go again. A retired lawyer, Ive been an active values and economic
conservative and thus a Republican for over fifty years, but way too much of the
current Republican party and crop of people seeking, allegedly seeking, or
capable of seeking or winning the nomination, among other leading politicians,
would rather fight each other than get behind anyone who could actually mobilize
enough live voters and win both the nomination and the election and handle the
Presidency and the most pressing problems in these critical times. Since I presume that they would prefer and vote for any conceivable Republican
nominee in preference to Obama, and, for example, prefer whoever any Republican
President would appoint to anyone Obama would appoint, I think that the
various factions in the Republican and Tea Party coalition should already have
got, and had better get, together and choose, and start preparing to elect, the
best possible candidate for the jobs of getting the nomination, winning the
election, and leading the country through this critical time.