Opponents of soccer complex along Jordan River want answers
I get annoyed with people who lived in land that used to be rural 30 years ago
and are upset with the encroaching growth of the city. It's called progress.
"Why should a private enterprise be benefiting from that?"Because sometimes what the private enterprise then gives back to the community
is worth more than the tax money or tax breaks involved.Note I said
sometimes, not always. You have to look very closely at the specific
assumptions for each deal in order to determine the expected return on the
One critic says the future soccer complex would become like a Walmart. This is
not a valid comparison. Soccer fields are covered with green grass - very good
for the environment. And most parents I know would rather see their children on
a soccer field than hanging out at Walmart. And by the way, Walmart is not
necessarily a bad thing - unless you believe that the comforts of life should be
reserved for those who are wealthy enough to shop at more exclusive stores.
Texlds above has hit it on the head. The opponents of this are now officially
grasping at straws. Why should, for example, the Utah Symphony benefit almost
exclusively from SL County's building and ownership of Abravanel Hall? If the
city builds something and a private entity pays the city for its use, what's the
problem? Having followed this project from the beginning, it's
disappointing to see some of the same inaccurate reporting take place. RSL gave
up on locating their academy here because of all of this. They've established a
residential academy in Arizona (and are about to sign one or two of their first
"home-grown" players to a professional contract). That ship has
sailed, largely because of the mendacity of the Rocky Anderson administration.
If RSL ever does have anything to do with this complex, it will only be if the
city begs them to.
It gets kind of silly that all these people run behind RSL trying to destroy
every move they make. I really don't think RSL is going to take over the world,
they are just trying to do what it takes to make their business successful. RSL
will use 5 fields out of 23 if I read the article correctly, I think kids will
still get to use the place, and many of those kids will be inspired to work hard
in hopes that they can get to play on those 5 fields.
ksampow: She said it would become a WalMart in 15 years. She did not compare
soccer fields to Walmart. The complex and the youth academy sound
great. I don't understand the opposition. I think the woman who made the WalMart
comment is wrong. Soccer is increasing in popularity and they would get plenty
of use out of the fields. Especially if RSL was allowed to do everything as
discussed in the article.
Its area's like this that keep all the mosquitoes around. No one goes there to
It is so very frustrating when the needs of a few outweigh the needs of the
many... One of the most outspoken critics of this site is not interested in the
community, but in her own selfish interests see quote, Opponents of the
project, including Salt Lake resident Lucy Knorr, paint a much less rosy
picture. Knorr keeps horses in a stable near the site of the soccer complex, and
she regularly rides in the open space there.. So we should not build the complex
and we should not provide for the youth of the community so Ms. Knorr can ride
her horse?? Hmmm. If this was another paved mall or another big-box warehouse
store, the opposition may have merit, as it is, it is pettiness and the desire
for the community to provide for them, something that is not theirs to own. This
complex has the ability to provide a positive recreational opportunity for
thousands, let us not cower to the loud and shrill, but make decisions based on
the needs and opportunities for the many.
Public-private partnerships happen all the time, arguing against this on that
principle makes you sound like a fool.Arguing that property owners
don't have rights and are simply fighting "progress" makes you sound
like an even bigger fool though.
"Knorr keeps horses in a stable near the site of the soccer complex, and
she regularly rides in the open space there."So now we get to
the real issue. It's okay for her to use it to ride horses, but if thousands of
kids play soccer there, it's a waste of government resources.
Oh no... please don't let them build a world class facility on this beautiful
brown field!!! And the Jordan River... where will this water flow? A peice of
paper might fall into the river and kill some algae, then the fish will all die
and we'll starve to death in 15 years. Wal Mart won't have anything to stock on
the shelves. aahhahaahhahhhh!
It's interesting that there is a concern at this point about spending public
funds to benefit a private entity (in this case Real Salt Lake). Public funds
have already been spent to benefit Real Salt Lake when their stadium was built.
Politicians and others supporting the stadium argued at the time that the funds
would be paid back from added hotel taxes. While that may be true, are not
hotel taxes, and any other taxes, public funds?I personally proposed
via calls to a couple of talk radio shows at the time that the money would be
much better spent building soccer fields around the state for youth soccer
leagues. That could have been done for much less tax money, and there would have
been no issue about using public funds to benefit a private entity. Professional sports teams have been feeding at the public trough for too long.
Professional franchises tend to appreciate in value over time, but I've never
heard of any government funds being reimbursed by the owner when the franchise
is sold, often at millions or billions in profits. Only the owner, who
originally fleeced the public, benefits financially.
@ AmericanwithnohyphenIf you are opposed to the project come out and say
it instead of trying to insult those who support it.
Let me see if I can put some facts together from memory...Public
approval of $15M for project: 2003Real Salt Lake formed: 2004RSL commits $7M for soccer complex: 2005Rocky blows a gasket
and halts the process: 2006RSL offers to lease fields for practice
even though it will in essence have paid for 1/3 of the project.I
think SL City and County blew it. Mayor Rocky and Mayor Cartoon didn't do their
homework and rode the public sentiment wave that led them to this fiasco.RSL has a fine practice field now in Lehi and no longer needs a place.
RSL has an academy in Casa Grande, AZ and no longer needs one here. So Feedle
Dee and Feedle Dum..., thanks for nothing. IF RSL decides to use
the soccer complex and build an academy there the city needs to be very
accommodating after dropping the ball.
The biggest problem with this plan is that Americans simply don't care about
soccer. Maybe build some football or basball fields or soemthing else useful.
There are few opportunities for youth to get scholarships for soccer, expecially
boys and professional positions in the US pay poorly. Why waste time and
resources on a sport that bores us?
@sisucas"...sport that bores us" Really? That's the best you
could do. Yea, let's play more baseball...that's not boring. Hey it's been a
half hour and the first inning just finished. You may want to do
a little research on the scholarship opportunities that are available to soccer
players in many NCAA programs. With the U joining the Pac12, that opens up many
doors that would grow locally from these fields.Your soccer hatred
and ignorance are showing...but then again, that's just who you are.
Besides the $15 million approved for the bond, the city has gone and spent over
$4 million to buy additional adjacent lands, presumably for the soccer academy-
with no public input. The bond will now pay for only have of what was promised
and will not even include the necessary infrastructure. The
infrastructure would be included in "Phase two" if additional $17
million in funding can be obtained. And this is all assuming Salt Lake Real will
cough up $7 million when they have been unable to pay taxes recently. The
additional costs can be largely attributed to the problems with the chosen site-
other potential sites would cost a lot less, but have been ignored by the city.
The project was originally a "Sports Complex", including some softball
and rugby fields. But Phase one will only include soccer fields- it is a soccer
complex, not a sports complex. The should be put on the ballot for a revote.The project is being built in a flood plain with mosquito problems. And
neighborhood kids will not be playing at the complex unless they pay. It will
not be a place for neighborhood kids to hang out and play.
I may be naive, but does the city have Tennis Academies? Basketball Academies?
Baseball Academies? It sounds to me as if Ralphie has been bought off in
addition to shoving Soccer down the throats of the good citizens of SLC. If
Real needs a practie facility, I would suggest that they do it themselves, after
all Real has been so generous in sharing their publicly financed facility.