Get rid of DeRon...get Maynor back!
Is anyone under the assumption the Jazz are playing together as a team? They
are as disjointed as the ramblings in this article.DWill just
witnessed Mello complaining for most of the season and then got traded. Why
would it be different for DWill? He should be gone especially since he is
surrounded by mediocre talent and his liklihood of winning is remote.It takes talent and teamwork to win in the NBA, and the Jazz are without
either. When the Jazz had Boozer and DWill each of them had to be double teamed
or they woul beat you. Sloan liked having both of them and that is because he
had a chance to beat any team. With the current group that is not
the case and KOC seems okay to leave things as they are, thus reason for Sloan
I have no problem with AK on the roster @ about 2 million per year! A Role
player that gets hurt a lot...you can not depend on his body to hold up.
Bluedevil,you certainly have a point in your assumption that the Jazz has
somewhat wasted AK's talents. I have always maintained that Sloan's offensive
philosophy with the Jazz has not been the type that AK could truly reach his
potential in or flourish in.Not that Sloan's offensive isn't an adequate
offense.It is,for the right people,but AK,in my opinion, would be much better
suited for a coach that had more of an up-tempo offense,and an offense that
gave players more individual freedoms.I thought the little bit that Kirilenko
played after Sloan's departure before he had the ankle sprain was an improvement
on AK's part.It will be interesting to see if AK's play improves now that Sloan
is gone.I think it will,and AK might be a player the Jazz would want to keep
with the new coaching staff of Hornacek and Corbin.
You guys should understand that the only reason kirilenko's contract seems
absurd now is that he earned a mere 10 million in his first year that gradually
increased to the 17 million he's getting now. Was he a 14million/yr player then?
You betcha! In fact, AK's plays in his early years helped the Jazz not go
through a steep hole that usually happens during a transition after an end of a
dynasty. If not for injuries and mismanagement/mistreatment he could have been
worth every penny he's earning today. I mean what kind of a team isolates out a
player from its offense after paying a max contract to him, only to see his true
potential when he lead russia to eurobasket title over gasol led spain in spain.
what happened to deron's running mate at illinois...Brown...he was good when he
was here...a bit small though...
Bugoff: CJ's scoring and playing time are on the upswing with Corbin.The major problem I see with your numbers is most of the points come from the
starters and not much from the bench. Great teams have a few scorers off the
bench. The Jazz do not due to injuries (memo) and Korver and Matthews gone and
replaced only by Bell. Price was a bad signing.
Jazz Nation: Miller is committed to "winning" HEE HEEWhat is he winning? A few regular season games?How is he
proving to win as everyone sits on the sofa or on the golf course at the trading
deadline watching the league pass them by, and they have the nerve to say this
team is good enough "to compete"Compete for what>A last playoff seed or a 7 spot and first round elimination?Fun and competitive=Joke
i'd rather watch the Jazz rebuild...get new people on management....better
scouts...new players...rebuild...from the bottom up...we already have a new
coach anyway...so why not have a new team and a new management...
DWill is averaging 21 points with 10 assists. AJ 17 points, 9 rebounds Millsap 17 points, 8 reboundsAK 12 points, 6 reboundsCJ 12 points,
3 reboundsBell 8 points, 3 reboundsThe rest are diffused. The
bench is a major weakness. It takes more than 5 players to win most games. This team is poorly designed and has been for a long time.
Please stop with he nonsense! Deron is a great Point guard and the Jazz should
be happy to have this kind of talent on this team. Keep the fans happy and build
around Deron, he cant do it alone, no single super-star can, not labron, Bryant,
KG couldnt do it, D-Will needs help. The Jazz should do what ever it takes to
win, and right now you have a solid peice odf the puzzle. As long as the Millers
stay commited to winning, this team will get the right players in here, dont
count Utah out just yet!
@Doctor Jyup...today's NBA is different...i agreed with CJ Miles
about that...today's NBA is joining another star player on a quest to get a
championship...before...it was...proving you can beat them and that you are the
best when you hit the floor...nowadays...its if you cant beat them join
them...its a matter of time...before there would be a lock out...the idea of
having a franchise tag is good...for small market teams...in the NBA...its the
team with the wealthiest market wins...
When DWill is healthy he can score at will. He may play PG very well but he can
shoot and penetrate like a very good SG. The problem is not DWill.
Teams that win championships have 3 things. Great DefenseEnough Total TalentFew exploitable weaknesses and the ability to exploit
weaknessesGive DWill a good shooting/defending SG and a true C and
see what happens. Who was it that said size does not matter? As I recall that was Sloan. That is a good thing to say if you are stuck
with an undersized team. It is not a good strategy if you are
designing a team. The Jazz have size in Fes and Elson. You need size
and talent. The team is undersized at C and PF. Sloan/KOC designed
it that way. However, getting both size and talent is very hard. The
team needs an upgrade at SG and C and has for a long time. The money tied up in
AK and Memo is a problem but the Sloan philosophy of under utilizing the SG is a
major problem. Years of bad 1st round picks eliminate cheap talent
that the Jazz should have.
One thing that CJ Miles is right about...the NBA is not the same as when Magic
and Bird were playing...and that is very sad indeed!It is starting
to remind me of Pro-Wrestling!
Magic, Nash, Zeke, Tiny, The Glove, Stock, Frazier, Kidd, Cousy, Oscar...these
guys were all good enough to win a title...many of them did...some did not...the
guys that won a title had other great players playing with them...the ones that
did not should have had more help (better supporting cast, a couple of
calls)...there are other things like having the ball bounce right for you at a
critical moment...The guys I have listed here are winners, Champions,
respected...do not list DeRon with these men...he has not earned that....however
I will put Rhondo in the conversation before DeRon.To win a Title
you need to score, you need to rebound, you need to dive on the floor for loose
balls, and you need to have some/ or some kind of structure and you have to have
stops on the defensive end, and you need to avoid injuries (conditioning, shape,
luck, karma) there is no rule that says you have to have a great 2 gaurd.Above all, toughness...mental and physical toughness.Guys
like Maurice Lucas, Kurt Rambis, Moses Malone, Kevin Mchale Dennis Rodman or
Rick Mahorn can Bang Hard as well
@CJ MIles, The Los Angeles Lakers won 5 championships with Magic Johnson (a
point guard) as their best player!
@CJ Miles...hypocrisy again...you said...Point Guards dont win
championships...anonymous pointed out one...and you told him...it was 40 years
ago...then you bring up...John Stockton...having none...and John Stockton at his
prime played against numerous Hall of Famers...so if you put John Stockton which
is 20 years ago...then i'll say...how about Isiah Thomas...now...dont tell me
its not the same as the NBA today...then you shouldnt have the right to mention
or bring out the name of the arguably the best pure point guard in the game...no
one can win alone...Jordan didn't win by himself...Magic didnt win by
himself...basketball is a team sport...there is no team that have won a
championship with just one player...
@CJ MilesDetroit won with Isiah Thomas manning the point...lol...so
you still think a point guard cant do it?...but in today's NBA...players are
crybabies...trying to group and pair up with each other...to "easily"
win one...i'd rather watch college basketball...from now on...
Again.....Twenty years ago. The NBA is not the same as when Larry Bird was
playing. Even when Magic won, he played all five positions.
Yeah the reason why Stockton has no rings is Michael Jordan. I would say the
teams with the best players win the championships. The Celtics are just stacked,
they have four all stars?? plus big baby and perkins two underrated big men. The
Spurs got lucky drafting Tim Duncan who was an unstoppable center. Lakers as
well spend twice as much money as the Jazz for their team which is why they have
mo better players. With such limited talent you have to play pretty much perfect
which is what Stockton and Malone did, and you have to play tough and extra
physical which our current Jazz are not doing. The Spurs really were an anomaly
and the Jazz will have to win big (as in Tim Duncan awesome 7 footer big) in the
lottery to ever have a chance.
How about Isiah and Magic?
If point guards win championships, how many rings does John Stockton have? Best
point guard to play the game and he has ZERO rings. Maybe there is a reason
Anonymous: That was 40 years ago. Not the same NBA as of today.Jesse: I will not argue that you need a good system to win a championship.
Jerry's system was not a championship type system using a the point guard as
your best player.If Dwill moved to the shooting guard and Watson to
the point, the Jazz would be a better team. Dwill needs to be more of a scorer
and less of a distributor in a new system. Do you see Chris Paul winning in the
playoffs? Derrick Rose is doing well as a scorer, not as a passer. Point
guards do not win championships...........
To CJ Miles:The NY Knicks won a champion with star guard Clyde Frazier.
He was just as popular as Willis Reed, the center. There are others if you want
to go back in history.
The Jazz have to play perfectly to win. Their entire system is flawed right now
& CJ Miles just isn't a good enough player to win games. I sure hope they
find a way to get out of this mess but it's probably going to take them a year
or two to get the right players.
I just wonder sometimes if someone did not do some kind of Voodoo curse on Big
Al. When he arrived here everyone was so excited, but that has changed
somewhat. I think that Smallsap and Jefferson are uncomfortable together. The
main point I want to bring up...is that Jefferson does not 'square up' when he
shoots. His shot is fundamentally flawed...I wonder if Hornac(h)ek could work
with him. Jefferson is a little more afraid of contact than I thought he would
be. Smallsap aka Millsap seems to not be as fired up this year as others; even
though he is suppose to be the man.
CJ: Whats that crazy offense those Lakers run, the triangle or something? It's
nice they have Kobe to bail them out when plays go wrong but that system (along
with great players)got Phil 2 hands full of rings. What about those Celtics,
they play as a team, with the leading assist man in the league. Tell me the
Spurs don't play like a team and just run a bunch of isolations. No the Spurs
run a very good team system built around very good players. I think Popovich
even said they modeled the way they run their team and organization after what
Jerry was doing here.Isolations do not bring championships. Team
play and strong D do.
The NFL is a classic example of how small markets could thrive, but the NBA puts
far too much emphasis on New York, Los Angelas, Chicago and Boston. It ruins the
game, but look at the NFL with the Steelers playing the Packers. It was one of
their highest rated Super Bowls. I wonder if the NBA sees how big of a problem
they have got. When they let Jordan steal a couple of championships from the
Jazz, as a result of definite no calls. I kept think I wonder how many Refs in
the NBA like the Tim Donaghe (spelling?)
Now is the time to trade D-Will, AK and Memo. D-Will will do good on any team,
but we need ball control under the basket if we are to survive. AJ is doing
good. Hayward will do better. Bring back Sundiata we need energy. There's got to
be a center available and Jefferson would be a better power foreward. CJ is a
coin toss. He's been much too inconsistant.Price is needing confidence.
@ CJ MilesI like your suggestion for the starting five. I agree also that
AJ and Milsap are not a good combo to have at power forward and center. It puts
us undersized at two positions, the power positions. These experiments of
playing guys out of position have always failed. Big Al is a power forward and
he needs to be teamed up with an actual center. Milsap is too short for a
starting power forward and seemed to bring ALOT more energy when he was coming
off the bench. I hope Corbin will give Evans and Fesenko a ligitimate shot at
some playing time. We need them. Go Corbin! Go Jazz!
Jerry was the only coach in the NBA that built his team around the point guard
and PF.San Antonio does it with Manu and DuncanLakers with
Kobe and GasolTeams that are successful in the playoffs are doing it
with defense and scorers. In High School and somewhat in College,
teams need ball handlers to win due to full court pressure. In the NBA, you
can't press a team or they will be dunking on every possession. Thus the need
for a good ball handler/passer is not as important. The NBA is built for
one-on-one play, not assists.
Kevin O'Connor is not in a good position for any trading. What are his assets?
AK, Okur? And if the Jazz pull the plug on Williams? This franchise is going
south. Check all the seats masquerading as fans lately. Honestly, are there
that many people who have puchased season tickets and just choose to not show
up? Who knows? The local media won't be telling us about the true financial
condition of the team. Oklahoma City will have the same problem going forward
with their stars leaving when their contracts expire. Why don't we just call
teams like Sacramento who is exploring moving the Anaheim, projected to call the
franchise the Los Angeles Kings at Anaheim. We can then call all the teams in
the west as Chicago Jazz at Utah, or the Los Angeles Blazers at Portland, or
Miami Cavaliers at Cleveland, or the Denver Nuggets/Phoenix Suns at New York,
etc., etc.Players moving around is destroying the leagues small
markets. They are just farm teams for the large markets.
Dwill is not going anywhere. Players want the money in their prime.But let's say he wants to go. Name a team who has won an NBA championship with
the star of their team being a point guard? NONE....Point guards
don't win championships in the NBA...Shooting guards/Small Forwards win
championships in the NBA when surrounded with good players. The Jazz could win
a championship with Watson at point guard is they had LeBron and Kobe on the
wings.......Just saying....Point guards don't win championships. Scorers
Will the break get the Jazz back on track? The short answer is no. All the
baloney with interviews with Carmelo Anthony where he and Coby were joking on
the sidelines during the AllStar game with the interviewer is just a joke. He
claimed he had no conversations with other teams. Then yesterday we learn is is
going to the New York Knickerbockers with his buddy Chauncey Billups and
whatever the other players are involved. This is another in a long list of
"Have Gun Will Travel" transactions over the years from smaller to
larger markets. Unless the owners can get control back from the players union
(players get 57% of the backetball revenues) this league will collapse. Salary
caps....pure baloney, along with a lot of other provisions in the current
agreement. The commissioner denied that contraction of the league is not a
topic of discussion. I don't believe that for one minute. There are too many
teams and not enough money in the universe to satisfy these prima donas.In the case of Deron Williams, his clock is ticking and he will be out
of here, either to Dallas or New York after next year. Trust me.
Come on KOC - trade AK to Cleavand for Jamison and Parker!!!
Bugoff that is why I pressed to get Troy Murphy, believe it or not the guy can
shoot he is lifetime 15 ppg throw out this year so far.They cannot
finish higher than 5th. You really think they can make up 5 games on Oklahoma
The best thing for the NBA is to enforce the Franchise Tag so fans can pay to
watch basketball and not drama. I feel for Nuggets fans and yes
"Sokol" I am with you, you wont find me watching the NBA anymore if
all the superstars go to NY, LA, Dallas, and Boston. They'll lose a lot of
Dear Doug I don't baby sit. Perhaps I did not make it clear enough.
I said a shooter LIKE Korver/Mathews, NOT trade for Korver/Mathews.
Korver is solid at CHI and not going anywhere. I am also well aware of Korver's
defensive liabilities. The Jazz need someone who can bust a
zone/paint pack. At the moment all they have is CJ. AK, Bell and DWILL are
dinged. Bell does not replace Korver/Mathews.Further, Melo was NEVER
available for trade to the Jazz. AK was mentioned in a convoluted trade that
would have sent him to DEN and Diaw not Melo to the Jazz. On other
matters Battier is pretty much over the hill. This team is capable
of about a 4th seed IF they get healthy and play well. There are 3
principles that must happen. 1. Efficiency-Higher shooting
percentage and low TOs.2. Decent Defense/Rebounding3. Pace/game
management/energyThe lack of outside shooting/packed paint affects
all 3.The short bench and lack of health affect all 3. Adding a shooter makes sense especially if Memo is out and AK/Bell are injury
prone. Money is a problem.
I think they need to pick out a good fishing spot. Williams will be packing for
New York. With Sloan and Williams gone we are close to an NBA development league
team. How can the NBA continue to allow the stars leave the small markets and
expect the fans in those markets to remain loyal?
Looks like all we can hope for is losses by other teams. Sadly, the Jazz are
not one of the eight best teams in the Western Conference.(Please
prove me wrong!!!)
The next four games should tell a lot. They are looking at 0-4. If that be so,
then the season would be dead and gone. They are not going to beat either
Dallas or Boston. Indiana and Detroit on the road are iffy. The team is at a
crossroads. The only very good player is D Will and unfortunately he knows it.
AK and Memo are through even though I love them both. Fez needs a good coach
and now that "ship has sailed". There is only mediocrity left and now
no "little engine that could" mentality. Just cold, dark reality.
The Jazz will somewhat turn it around after the break, but they luck out with
the Nuggets trading Melo for the lower bid. Plus with Gay out for 4 weeks in
Memphis, they might start to fall off.
Battier is a guy I have always thought would be a great fit for the Jazz. Solid
shooter, outstanding defender, hustler, makes players around him better.
The Jazz will not be trading anyone unless some crazy team wants Memo.AK's expiring contract is worth too much to Utah next year.Other
than that, no one on this team makes over 5 million except Dwill, AJ and
Millsap. They are not going anywhere any time soon.......The Jazz
need to grow up, start playing basketball and earn their keep. The starting
lineup should be:FesAJEvansCJ DwillBench should be:AKWatsonMillsapBellHaywardPriceElsonMillsap starting with AJ is the
biggest blunder in NBA history. Millsap is not a starter unless he has a 7'
2" guy in the middle. Millsap and AJ together is bad, really bad.Bell needs to be limited to 20 minutes and Evans needs to see 12 minutes a
game with the starters. 6 minutes in first and third quarters, then bring in AK
or Millsap.Corbin needs to use his bench unlike Jerry.
@KK You're absolutely right...must be the reality that Sloan is really
gone...and isn't ever going to come back. Sort of that... too late now
afterthought...but wishing it were all just a bad dream.And as for a
good friend like Hornacek...somebody's gotta try and find a way to put a
positive spin on this shipwreck just to try and keep things afloat. KOC
actually made a smart move to bring him on boardIt is what it
is...so it's up to them to pull it together.
I love how in the all the pictures no one even looks the happy to be making
millions of dollars to play basketball. At least my man Hornaceck looks happy.
Message to KOC: Trade, trade, trade!
sad to hear Corbin thought better of the games after a film review...they should
have let him look at the scoreboard..made me ill. Three games that should be
gimme's and they went away.Bugoff your skills must be evident as a
babysitter because you mentioned getting Korver back as a shooter. Do you
remember when he played for the Jazz and he lost the ball both times he tried to
dribble?When the Jazz got to the playoffs he went 0 for 122. He
became a glorified passer and would not shoot if there was the least bit of
pressure. One good move the Jazz made was waving at him when he left.If Jerry were here the Jazz would make some move so they could possibly
compete this season. With feel good Corbin they may just leave him with this
band so he can get comfortable...too bad for the fans.two months ago
the Jazz should have traded Ronnie Price and AK for Melo. If only for one
season the Jazz would have outscored nearly all of their opponents.If the JAzz were going to keep a high salary I wish it were Melo's.
Let's just leave it up to Coach "I'll Decide" Williams to make the
rest of the season come out clean and go from there with the results. He needs
to prove his leadership abilities as team captain supposedly haven't changed
throughout all of this. So let's see how it goes.
They really paid A.K. 17 plus mil a year?.. I still have trouble believing this.
nobody out there worth trading for. the jazz should just tank the season. rest
Deron, AK, Memo and Bell. Give tons of playing time to Hayward, Evans, Fesenko
and Watson and CJ. see where they are at in terms of skills and work attitude.
give Jefferson tons of looks to get better attuned to the jazz plays. this
season is lost. prepare for next year. maybe we can even get a top 10 draft
choice if we lose enough games. everything's better than what we have now.
everyone essentially got better except denver...and we arent doing anything with
the TPEs that we have...just an upgrade on the 2 spot...and a 7 footer to man
the C...why not trade with 76ers...for Hawes and their shooting guard...meeks...
DWill is not going to NY with Billups there. If the Jazz make a move
it would have to be with AK or Millsap. An AK trade could help if they got back
a better player for less money and some salary relief (not likely).Trading Millsap makes little sense at this point. Try to get both Millsap and
AJ to play well at the same time for at least another year. Okur is
an expiring then and AK no longer soaks up 17 mill. It makes sense
to not rock things much at this point with the new CBA/lock out coming up next
year. Gather the cash and get ready to build around the key players
you want to keep in 2011-12. Steal a shooter with a TE if you are
bold enough to do it! You don't need a big expensive name. You just need a
solid outside shooter like Korver/Mathews.
Memo might need to retire or something...although I was surprised at his
conditioning after he came back from that ankle...he looked like he'd worked
hard at it.Can't believe so many thought DWill was actually going to
the Knicks....pshhhPeople will believe anything the news will tell
It is beyond sickening and disgusting. Now that Melo has been traded, the Jazz
will feel even more no need to make a move at improving this team. That is
because Denver now just has a bunch of bodies and will likely miss the playoffs
altogether.The Jazz will likely make it by default giving credence
to the "stand pat philosophy".Many of the players in
recent weeks talked about on here and on blogs that I have mentioned tonight are
all being rumored for trades within hours of the Melo Deal.Battier,
Prince, Joel P. Rip etc.....All are rumored headed elsewhere while O
Connor feels like Corbin said just to wait for the 3 injured to come back and
the Jazz will be "cured".Anyone fall for this I feel sorry