"The bill they say, crafted by a new American who understands the Latino
community, is perfectly in tune with what immigrants want: not citizenship, but
the opportunity to work and live without fear."Immigrants from
other countries want citizenship. They are cheated out of it by those here just
There is not a job an American won't do if paid a fair wage.
No winner in this debate or in this action. Many illegals own homes and the jobs
that many of don't want to do in our society. It may cut costs as well. Prices
will rise. Most illegals simply want an opportunity even though they did break
the law. I just laid off a person we found out was illegal. I felt horrible
because she is human but I'm not willing to go to jail.
Just how many hurddles do our political leaders have to jump every 4 years to be
re elected? This is un suitable to ask hard working people that are working for
@Middle of the Road: The caption and you assumption that The Coalition of Utah
Progressives support the Robles/Mero bill is wrong. In fact they were arguing
with her in this photo about the false hope and unconstitutionality of her
proposal.This photo is from the Summer when she first introduced her
unconstitutional bill and way before all of the current
"modifications" that CUP is still opposed to.@ Attentive: make
them, as we did.
Aside from cheap labor, what benefit do they bring to the USA? Seriously, our
immigration policy as it stands is calculated to import needy high school
drop-outs from third world countries.And the reforms they talk about
promise more of the same at accelerated rates.Am I missing something here?
So what point are those dumb t-shirts suppose to make?
MC, those guest worker programs already exist. They are the H-1a visa
(agriculture) H-1B (non agriculture).
Here's my proposal:The federal government should open up a guest
worker program that is much easier, faster, and cheaper for people to apply for
from their native land, but unavailable for anyone living in the US illegally.
Sponsorship by an American citizen or company who wishes to employ an immigrant
legally would put these people on a fast track to obtaining the guest worker
permit. Speaking English could also speed up their permit.At the
same time increase penalties for employing illegals and pass bills like
Sandstrom's that make it harder for illegals to stay here.The result
would be a mass exodus of illegals back to their home countries with their
families intact so that they could apply for the easy to get guest worker
permit. Then they will return legally, out of the shadows to pay income tax and
get health insurance through the employer and respectable wages. No
citizenship with voting rights for them, just the ability to work here legally.
This would be in keeping with the Utah Compact which doesn't even
mention illegal immigration and encourages just and reasonable laws. It also
recognizes federal responsibility for this.
Led Zeppelin II, they don't want to be Americans, read Robles article again,
they just want to take American jobs. They have no right to do that. Nothing is unconstitutional about Sandstroms bill. All the blocked parts of
Arizona's bill are removed. I challenge anyone to show where his is
Not a single politician has a worthy answer. Sandstroms bill is controversal and
unconstitutional. Robles the same. Arizona is even worse.The Constitution
is being torn to shreads on every issue. Big Government is the real problem.
Dont blame illegals. If people want to come here and work hard and become
Americans they should be able to. This is the American way.No one should
be allowed to depend on government whether they are illegal or born here.And all criminals should pay.
The law is the law. She needs to be loyal to the United States and the
Constitution. What she is trying to do it's to reward the bad conduct and that's
just not fair to those who are here legally. Immigration it's just a big
business for many circles, one of them politics. She is a smart lady with
preparation but to be honest I don't think that's the way to do something good.
Utah has been helping for years the illegal immigrants, especially the LDS
members. People kept coming and now we have this big problem. The time has come
to start putting things in order. The illegal knew that they were not doing
things right hoping nobody was going to get them in the future. I know there are
little children involved, but people need to be responsible for their actions
and decisions and assume the consequences of those bad decisions in the past.
KSL just commissioned a poll that says 71% of Utahns want a guest worker
program.Ther are two ways to look at this:If you're
sympathetic to the plight of immigrants this explains the movement to declare
ours a constitutional republic - the will of the majority can be safely ignored.
Whew! (The embarrassing episode of school vouchers being overturned by the
people is less likely, with the initiative process being made more difficult by
our wise and benevolent leaders.)If you're anti-immigrant, maybe
this is a sign that our educational system has passed a threshold in decline and
deserves better funding. Or, with a constitutional republic with the power
elite selected by a small minority, maybe public misunderstanding of immigration
policy is really not a big deal. Keep 'em stupid AND unempowered! What are
they going to do - vote for a Democrat? LOL. Only Gentiles and gays and
Mexicans do that!
The bill being peddled by this woman is a monument to stupidity and nothing
less. "Guest worker" passes for lawbreakers? Are you kidding? Can the
guys at point of the mountain who broke other laws apply for them too? Can
anyone who doesn't agree with a law get a pass to break the law until they can
change it to their liking? Or is it only Queen Luz who can grant a pass to those
she thinks deserve to be here? How many checks from YOUR OWN bank
account have you written to cover the costs of illegals Luz? How many are you
going to write in the future? I would bet that your altruism doesn't go that
far,,, after all you did run for office so you could spend everyone else's
money, and those you want to hand it out to don't deserve anything but a one way
ticket home to Mexico. Do us all a favor and go back with them.
Why don't we just have a 2nd Mexican/American War? We beat them last time and so
let's do it again? Or we can all pack up and move to Mexico? Kick the crap out
of the drug users and gangs then countries ours. All of us in Mexico
and no one in America except Illegals. Then what will they do? Try and go back
There are some tough questions to be asked of Sen. Robles.For example, why
is it that Mexicans living in the United States have the LOWEST rate of
naturalization, something in the low 20% range?Exactly what part of the
American Dream are they seeking here?Couple that data with the fact that
they cling to their native language and the high rate of illegal entry from that
one country.How does that show any loyalty to the USA? And why do you
advocate for them?
Sound's like she is saying "hey come on over NO punishment for braking
there laws in Utah". Just my take on her junk bill.
So how did Robles get elected anyway? She is also in favor of breaking the
Constitution. Why is that? In fact there are several legislatures and Senators
that shove the Constitution in the background. Utah's politicians are supposed
to support the citizens and the Constitution. What is happening. We are starting
to look like Chicago.
Senator Robles is a modern day American Patriot for her efforts and leadership
to establish good law for Utah workers with SB 60. Thank you for joining with
the Sutherland Institute and the Utah Compact to create this farsighted and
innovative law.You are like the heroes in American History who
creatively fought against bad law: Samuel Adams (1773 Boston Tea Party vs. Stamp
Act)and Thomas Jefferson (1776 Declaration of Independence vs the Crown) and
Vermont (1777 outlawed slavery within her boundaries), keep it up,Luz, Paul
Mero, the Sutherland Institute, and Utah Compact!People of good-will
want Utah worker-law to be good law that is reasonable and practical, reflects
Utah's unique understanding of immigrants, states rights and humanitarianism,
and promotes public safety, freedom, and economic prosperity. We don't have to
wait for the federal government to establish good law in Utah for our workers.
Through the adoption of SB 60, Utah can lead the way in the US immigration
debate about what constitutes good worker law and is in the best interests of
our state and nation SB 60 and the Utah Compact are the right
solution for Utah's needs in 2011.
Wait... lets seeCop: Mr. M are you a criminalMr. M NoCop: Yes you are, you were here illegally(as in Illegal
Immigrant)Mr. M: CrapCharged 1,000 dollars (or pesos) Sent back to Mexicoif they cross the border they will sent to
California, where they are welcomeWelcome to Rod CountryI will be the governor in 2036Utah will be beter, not illegal
7 pages of propaganda are not enough to drown out, in my ears, the pleas and
cries of those slaves who are victims of Human Trafficking which is masquerading
as Illegal Immigration.For those of us who are of "THE [REAL]
WORLD", we will [NEVER] let the innocent cries and pleas of those who are
suffering at the hands of pimps and human traffickers go unnoticed or ignored
any longer.I just pray more ethical progressives will start to hear
the same pleading and cries from those modern day slaves who are suffering
torture even as we embolden the pimps and human handlers through our arguing
about "illegal immigration". I am only one, and yet I am
one and I will spend every day speaking out against the evil of Human
Trafficking until every tear has been dried and every heartache of the innocent
soothed (every perpetrator brought to justice) until they live with the peace
and safety their Heavenly Father desires for them.
I need some help. I keep reading about the illegal alliens now demanding their
rights. I seen it in the Tribune this morning which is a sad newspaper, I would
like to know if anyone can explain to me what are the rights of a person
entering into our country illegal. They come here demanding medical help, free
education as well obtaining various benefits for children also illegal or born
in the USA from illegal parents. They flaunt there being illegal and in many
cases even say they have falsified creditionals and we do nothing. They should
not be here unless they are going through the process of becoming a American
citizen through the proper requiements. Why do we have such a hard time defining
the problem when they are breaking the law. Why do we condone this? If we
challenge the illegal issue we are racists. They are criminals and should be
treated as such. Our churches and many officals are supporting the people who
break our laws. Sad when churches support illegal activity. Compassion should be
shown to the American citizens footing the illegal costs through paying our
taxes, job loss and most important the school negative impact.
Pam Perlich talks about people taking time as citizens to assimilate. Robles
says they are here for jobs, not citizenship. With high unemployment
people here just for jobs is intolerable.
The article's title, "Luz Maintains Her Voice", is pretty apt. This
"voice" that cries for any and all forms of amnesty was not in place
when she ran for office. Nope. As seen on her website (Robles for Senator),
she didn't mention one word of her true agenda. Instead, her platforms were
education, health care and the environment. Can anyone tell me what bills she
has produced have any direct effects on THOSE ISSUES???? If not, this
politician deceived the voters to get elected and simply focused on her real
agenda. We need to keep that in mind come reelection. Illegals need to be returned to the countries of their birth, and if Luz is so
interested in their welfare over ours, perhaps she can go return with them and
work for them there.
I canceled my print subscription to the Des News about 3-4 weeks ago because of
articles like this. Keep up the great work Des News, you are reporting well for
the minority opinions in Utah.P.S. Get illegals out of our state!
There are ways for the poor to come here legally. If they want citizenship, and
according to the article, many don't, they can apply for the lottery with the
rest of the world, or apply using their family as sponsors. Almost half the
green cards given out are to family members. If the article is
correct and they just want work, then accept American jobs belong to Americans
in this country. In hard times very few will be needed except in agriculture.
All of the people complaining about wanting citizenship, and now
they tell us they just want the jobs. If those here on green cards that have no
intention of being citizens were kicked out, we would have some extra for those
who want citizenship.
"Where can I buy a t-shirt with "I AM legal." emblazoned across
the front of it?" - attentive 11:53 a.m.Better still, get a
T-shirt with your birth certificate printed on it. May send a message to a
certain politician residing in Washington, D.C.
"Why does the DN push this on us?" - jim Good point. We
should expect that the DN, to be fair and balanced, will print an anti-immigrant
article in the near future. Don't hold your breath.
"The bill they say... is perfectly in tune with what immigrants want: not
citizenship, but the opportunity to work and live without fear." -
ArticleThat's right. They don't want citizenship. What they want
is to take jobs that American citizens need. As has been noted many times on
this website, America has millions of unemployed and don't need their help.
Foreigners (legal or otherwise) come here and take jobs that we don't have for
them. They need to go home and ask to come back when we need them."About half have come from Latin America." - ArticleIt's
interesting to not that Spaniards from Spain took over all of South and Central
America. Now they want to take over North America."Whites are
the minority." - ArticleWhich is what appears to be the stated
goal of Hispanic immigrants for the US. "Is this really what
America is about: racial profiling?" - ArticleNot so. America
is all about the rule of law. We don't appreciate laws breakers who sneak into
our country and try to take over.
Where's Stockton ??? you nailed it."I really really liked two
parts of this bill. First that they need to pass a criminal background
check." Let's see Mr. M____ Are you here legally?No.Please take Mr. M____ into custody.I'm for this bill
There is no legal way for poor impoverished people to immigrate from Mexico and
you if say otherwise you are being dishonest. My wife and son immigrated from
Russia. $20,000.00 and that was without an atty assistance. As long as their
is economic disparity betweeen the United States and Mexico we will have
problems. Go Senator Rubles. You are a decent human being, unlike many others on
here. I have lived here my entire life and there has always been predjudice and
bigotry against hispanic people. It will never change, it is rooted in our
@joelwisch"Deseret News can find a dozen reasons to reject a
post in opposition to the article [and others]..."I can relate
to that. The DNews will reject perfectly logical and informative comments that
they don't agree with, including any the are critical of minorities such as
Hispanics, Muslims, and the like. No cussing. No demeaning. Just facts and
opinions. I guess DNews monitors believe that criticizing minorities who are
bent on either taking over this country or killing Americans is considered
abusive, offensive, off-topic, or unrepresentative.
Where can I buy a t-shirt with "I AM legal." emblazoned across the
front of it?
Duh - just maybe the reason the federal government does not want a lot of guest
workers and a lot of visas is because the people of this country do not want a
lot of guest workers and visas.
Senator Robles represents a possible positive future if the naysayers will
reflect for just a moment. Walls and immigration restrictions have never
worked. We need to educate, exchange and see how mutually supportative
economies can help us grow out of quick sand of fear and loathing. Just as Luz
realized her daughter could have been caught in the fatal traffic of illegal
immigration the critics need to think of how they or theirs might be similiarity
drowned but for the accident birth. Be at peace and work to make the whole
world a better place.
When I go to Mexico, Canada or just about any other country in the world, I am
asked for my papers and if I intend to work I must register with the government
AND POSSIBLY purchase a work permit.Why should THIS country not do the
same?I understand that we all sympathize with the plight of people from
impoverished nations, but this is a nation of laws. If we want to make life
better for some of the people in Mexico, let's streamline the immigration
Illegal, legal, unconstitutional, constitutional. It really doesn't matter.
These are human beings that we are talking about. Human beings whose living
conditions are so deplorable that they are willing to be "illegal" in
an attempt to escape it. It is sad, to me, that when they come here, that
despite the treatment they get here, it is better than where they were. The solution to their problems in their home country is muchh more
complicated than many would think. A lot of the issues comes from the illegal
acts of Americans and their insatiable demand for drugs. We bear some
responsibility here.What kind of conditions would make you do
something illegal? Don't say you would never do anything illegal. All of us
would, given the right conditions. Whether or not Sen Robles bill
will pass or not and whether or not it is constitutional or not is besides the
point. It has sparked some creativity and thought of those in our country
trying to solve a very complex problem. I don't know if this is the answer or
not, but maybe it is one step cloer to finding it.
The position of the Deseret News on illegal aliens is a sign of the
apocalypse.Just imagine what we are seeing here; a traditional organ of
the GOP in the reddest state in the country pitching de facto amnesty for
illegals.It can only mean that Mormons have elites as well.
@Jay Tee...That reminds me...And oh yes Mrs. Robles how do you find the
time for such glorified and devisive work... especially when one of your
collegues like Mr. Sandstrom and others are spending such valuable time on a
really much more important matter. You see it's really important right now for
them to protect the rights of another even more important minority group. I'm
sorry but immigration issues will just have to take a back seat to the rights of
few elite student athletes, their parents, coaches and a few Lawyers.It seems, that an organization known as the Utah High School Activities
Association... which was created to oversee and to regulate all High School
activities, for the nonsensible purpose of ensuring the welfare for all Utah
High school age students...and not just an elite few has come under fire from
the legislature. How dare this oranization put this elite minority group in a
position where they can't pick and choose to go and build their athletic
careers any where they want to at taxpayers expense. After all High School is
about sports not Academics. That would be so Unamerican. bring on the
So she believes we are resorting to "racial profiling" to address our
illegal immigrant problem. Can I just point out, that anytime any of us are
pulled over by the authorities, even if we just have our license plate light
burned out, our identities are compared to a warrant database. It is not a big
stretch to also assess citizenship among the criminal concerns. Or should I cry
"racial profiling" every time my identity is compared to a warrant
database??Senator Robles is not looking beyond her own images.
There is a much bigger world that she is ignoring.
A despicable example is the Sanctuary State of California that is still
suffering from a $24 Billion dollar treasury loss and still being monetarily
ransacked by illegal aliens education, health care, public programs and
overcrowded prisons. Join the TEA Party as they are fighting for smaller
government and less taxes extorted from your wages.Already a million plus
Taxpayer's have investigated truthful illegal alien welfare costs, population
statistics and your chance to fax for free the leadership in Washington at
NumbersUSA pro-sovereignty organization. NumbersUSA and hundreds of grass-roots
groups and associations will never accept another amnesty, any defacto amnesty
such as the Dream Act or any method to legitimize the minor or odious criminals
who snubbed our laws. More and more American citizens are being victimized by
illegal aliens, thanks to a half finished fence.
Luz Robles. You rock! Thanks for not buying into silly taglines like
"amnesty" (as if that were a bad word).You've got a good
head on your shoulders with the inventiveness of your immigration bill. It's the
right balance of enforcement and dare I say it, "compassion" (as if
that were a bad word, too).Even if it doesn't stand up to Federal
legal muster, it's a way to show the Federal Government that there are answers,
if they could just be a little more creative.I hope the bill passes!
Keep it up Sen. Robles!!! I'm so glad that someone creative and compassionate
like her is working on the immigration issue.To the Deseret News
(and Elizabeth Stuart in particular), thank you for shedding light on the
legislative backdrop surrounding surrounding Robles apropose bill. I sincerely
hope it passes, if for no other reason than to show the Federal Government that
there are comprehensive solutions available if they would just be open to
Funny the rest of the world has come to realize diversity does not work . . . .
yet American left-wing liberals and progressives (read communists) keep pushing
it. Why is it that people like Lobles and her left-wing, liberal, and
progressive cohorts can't understand that these people are breaking the law and
are criminals even though legislators, like Robles, have swore to uphold the law
and the constitution?
"The truth is Luz has an image problem with the Latino community,"
said Tony Yapias of Proyecto Latino de Utah. "She's become a part of the
system and she's forgotten who she is all for political gain."Luz is in a pickle, for sure. She came in the "right" way, is a
U.S. citizen, and took an oath to uphold the law when she took office. Add to
that her working for the Mexican government to ease immigration problems and she
has a real conflict.I had to laugh at the statements that illegals
have limited access to health care. Gee, so do some real U.S. citizens.Legislators, PLEASE stop making Utah a magnet for illegals. If you stop
building it, they will go AWAY.
NOT the answers we need to curtail an invasion that's grinding this nation to a
fine powder of third-world performance and universal poverty. You want to be
"charitable" and "compassionate?" Go to the other countries
with VOLUNTARY resources, and help them create a decent habitat there.
Importing all their weaknesses and problems here won't solve anything for anyone
in the long run. There's a lot of silly sound off going on . . . but there's
also a time for intelligent and definitive action. People like Stephen
Sandstrom are trying to make progress; people like Robles obviously never will.
I really really liked two parts of this bill. First that they need to pass a
criminal background check. I couldn't agree more. This is my favorite area of
discussion on this matter. I can just see all those illegal immigrant/illegal
criminals lining up to do that. Will it be done in a multiple choice or True
False format and... will they need a conceal and carry permit for their illegal
guns that many of them will have...or... will they be allowed to check them at
the door??? Secondly, I do agree whole heartedly that they must
learn to speak English first. So how much are their home countries paying
towards the bill for us to teach them English??? Just so I know how many one
dollar bills that I'm going to have to put in a cookie jar ahead of time. And
will you be taking the supplies for this project from our grade school children
or from our secondary students??? Like everything in this issue...will those
supplies be going in and out through the back doors or will someone up front be
there keeping track.Well that's somewhere to start...Right???
This non-story is a waste of paper, time, and ink.
I admire Robles for being there for her people, but working outside the law is
still illegal in this country.the groundswell in Utah is against
letting the illegal people reside here. The cost is great to the state as far
as education dollars, medical dollars, administration dollars. Yet
the illegals care not for the state or the cost over runs or the breaking of
laws, instead they insist they do not have to abide the country's immigration
laws. Many of them fill the prison system so they do not choose to abide other
laws. Their background and education are not a good fit for this country.They seek to impose themselves on the state asking for legal people to
leave them alone and overlook their illegal activities and lifestyles.
I have friends from many cultures and i have a love of different cultures, but
the people that are pushing to change the immigration laws in the United States,
should be working to change the laws in their home country, where all their
citizens would be FREE to govern themselves.
Why does the DN push this on us?
Why doesn't Robles look at getting existing Federal programs more efficient, if
her goal is to somehow make it easier for foreigners to work in Utah? Instead
she wants to create some new bureaucracy? If, and only if, businesses were to
cover all of the costs associated with illegals in Utah, it might be valid to
have such a program. And if the businesses covered the costs of all of the
unemployment that resulted. But, until that happens, no sanctuary.
Ms. Robles has a huge conflict of interest here. Thank goodness she cannot
"legally" run for president!To quote the article about
Robles:"She is giving immigrants false hope, they say, because
the bill is unconstitutional. Legally, they argue, the federal government cannot
give a state the power to allow undocumented immigrants to work."The Coalition of Progressives, sounds like the Nancy Pelosi group who
ramrodded the Obamacare through and shoved down our throats ignoring that it was
Deseret News can find a dozen reasons to reject a post in opposition to the
article, but the opposition merely grows angry. Denying freedom of speech to
selected opinions is a very ugly censorship.Illegal aliens are ...
illegal. They are not allowed to vote, and they should not be represented by
any but the immigration lawyer that attempts to mitigate their problems. I
think we call that ... aiding and abetting Luz. Try representing Americans
A mention about her working for the government of Mexico to influence US
immigration, should be included in any story. It is part of her history, and
helps explain some of her motivations.
So, a Hispanic has a suggestion for keeping all Hispanics here? Wow, how novel.
No amnesty of any kind, and that includes special cards that allow them to stay
because they decided the US will be Hispanic.
No mention about Robles working for the country of Mexico trying to influence
immigration laws in the US while head of the Utah Office of Ethnic Affairs?Pam Perlich is always good for a quote ignoring the law breaking. People
are resentful of the law breaking, not immigration. Come here legally under the
law, and there is not a problem.