dave, working is multiple felonies. ID theft, illegal immigration. The argument
in the illegal immigrant debate sounds like a robber plea bargaining in district
court. They are here for the work, we have none available. Go home
and come back on a work visa when available. Be honest with the country, you
expect that from us. John C. C., one of the reasons for immigration
laws is to protect the citizens and their jobs. Mexico is building a wall on
their south border, Greece, Italy, Spain. Mexico has the 12th best
economy in the world. People come here not for citizenship, but the jobs. Our
wages are higher. If we don't stop them, they won't be for long.
Re: "Change the law, not the truth."How's about changing
neither.Just enforce both.If we gave lawmakers an
enforced rest from passing new and ever more restrictive and ridiculous laws, as
we incentivize the media to tell the truth, rather than just parroting the
"progressive" party line, we'd quickly solve about 95% of the problems
confronting us today.
To "dave | 8:00 a.m." the cost is around $2700/per year per illegal
family. That does not include the increased crime rate of the children of
illegal immigrants. The parents are typically not involved in violent crimes,
but their children are.
@John C. C."Proper border security would both let in those who
want to build our dream with us and share it with the rest of the
world."Border security is a farce. It's a cop-out.
Politicians use the phrase to duck responsibility in an effort to try to stay
neutral on how to deal with illegals (er, I mean fake documented
immigrants).Fully forty percent of illegals in this country come
here on legitimate visas... work, student, etc. But they overstay. They forget
to go home when their visas expire. Securing our borders will not solve this
problem.--------------------@Considering 9:50 a.m.:"1-We must secure the border."See above."4-We've got to remove all other incentives for being here
illegally."You got that right. In order to discourage our
southern friends to stop coming over our borders we have to remove the
incentive. That means NO JOBS. Period. And no anchor babies.If
and when we need foreigners to come in and help us do our work we will let them
know. There already exists adequate procedures to allow in workers when needed.
@Brother Chuck Schroeder"Water is already a scarce resource in
this desert state, and the increased demand generated by population growth is
exacerbating the problem."It's not only water that's becoming a
scarce resource. It's almost everything. Got to YouTube and view 'Immigration
Gumballs' to see what uncontrolled immigration will bring."Yes
it's time to really report then let ICE deport."And it's time
we required ICE to enforce our laws after illegals are reported and see that
they are deported. Obama is the main guy who's at fault here. He calculates
that he needs the Hispanic vote to get reelected. That's why he's going easy on
their illegal brethren.
Amazing that foxicns are so intent on punishing the working families and not the
illegal employers that ARE citizens and wntirely subect and obligated to our
laws.They've done a nice job at the GOP of pointing to the guy that
they offered jobs to.
@dave. One over (the border) is a misdameanor, two over is a felony. Speeding
one or two over isn't so bad and the cop most likely will give you a break.
Costs are about $450,000,000 for our state to keep being a scanctuary state.
Write to Sandstrom and support his bill. Viva LEGAL immigration.
@Esquire 6:12 a.m.:"Severe violations of our laws, you mean by
employers who want the cheap labor and provide the jobs?"Yes,
that too. Employers who hire illegals should be investigated and punished."This situation is in large part simply supply meeting
demand."We have the labor supply, meaning job seekers, in
America without having to resort to bringing in immigrants... especially illegal
immigrants. As you may know, we have millions of unemployed Americans seeking
work. When immigrants flood into this country they drive wages down below what
is needed for an American to survive on. Our unemployed can make more on
unemployment benefits... which our illustrious Congress keeps extending to now
Clearly, we have a multi-faceted problem and so a multi-faceted solution is
required.1-We must secure the border. If we brought home even HALF
of our troops from places like Japan, Germany, South Korea, and England, we
could easily secure our Southern Border with zero additional costs. 2-We must get serious about interior enforcement. Street cops already know
pretty well who the illegals are. They don't speak english (except when
convenient), they don't have driver licenses, they don't have liability
insurance, and cars are often not properly registered. Illegal aliens must face
a real risk of being identified, arrested, and deported.3-We've got
to take down the help wanted sign. That means properly punishing employers who
hire illegal aliens. For repeat or flagrant violations, penalties should extend
beyond merely fining corporations to imposing jail/prison time on corporate
officers.4-We've got to remove all other incentives for being here
illegally. That means ending birthright citizenship for children of illegal
aliens, ending welfare including free education, and requiring doctors and
nurses to report suspected cases of illegal aliens on the same basis they report
suspected cases of child abuse.
We've go two signs at our border. One says "No Trespassing" the other
"Help Wanted". We have to take down one of the signs.
Charles B. Jackson refers to "the very law that keeps us safe and
free." Our immigration laws only keep us free from economic cooperation
and growth, while it seals in the poverty and corruption in Mexico. Proper
border security would both let in those who want to build our dream with us and
share it with the rest of the world.Change the law, not the truth.
The writer mentions costs and does not share these costs with us...Also, what does severe violation of our laws mean? Driving one MPH over the
speed limit is illegal. Is it severe? Who defines severe?
PS: "one more thing here".Charles B. Jackson of Ivins says
unless and until we face up to the severe violations of our laws and do
everything possible to put a stop to them, we will never solve this problem or
the cost problem. That's what I to was saying for years about Utah, (like it
or not.) According to an estimate of the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005 there
were an estimated 75,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens living in Utah. In 2004
alone the taxpayers of Utah spent $184.4 million per year on illegal aliens and
their children in public schools. The projected annual fiscal costs to Utah
taxpayers for emergency medical care, education and incarceration resulting if
an amnesty is adopted for illegal residents. 2010 was $417,000,000. Water is
already a scarce resource in this desert state, and the increased demand
generated by population growth is exacerbating the problem. "SO DON'T
WHINE AT ME" when I ask Congress about our raise on Social Security
(COLAS), as a entitlement, when ya'll support these illegal's in Utah. Yes it's time to really report then let ICE deport.Ya think?.
Severe violations of our laws, you mean by employers who want the cheap labor
and provide the jobs? This situation is in large part simply supply meeting
The House has passed Sandstrom's immigration bill. The Senate needs to do the
same, and quickly. We have allowed illegal aliens to trample our laws long
enough. Our welcoming nature has been abused. It is time to stop ignoring the
problem, and time to start doing something about it. Sandstrom's law is a good