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Cambridge University Union Society decides porn is a 'good public service'

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  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 27, 2011 1:53 a.m.

    100% of sex criminals use porn....

    100% of alcoholics use alcohol...

    100% of smokers use tobacco...

    100% of all people who die drank water...

    I think we are on to something here!!!

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Feb. 23, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    @Dewey Hewson
    "those which show that the more access to adult pornography a society has, the lower the rates of rape and other sexual crimes."

    That is absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever read.

  • Rae M. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    WARNING: Pornography use INCREASES sex-related crime. Studies can show anything people want. The Bible and Book of Mormon warned against anything similar for thousands of years. And told of at least one civilzation destroyed due to siimilar problems.
    That is 2 warnings against however studies.
    Every day the paper has many stories of sex
    crimes. 40 years ago there were not nearly as
    many. I wonder what the difference is, if not due to
    pornography. And I wonder how "sexting" by
    teenagers would be rationalized by proponents of
    increased porn.
    Life itself is not just about sex. But pornography use creates too many addicts who can think of nothing else except sex. And through history, life has succeeded best when sex has been kept sacred.
    Thanks for the article; I'll stick to what is tried and proven.

  • Okaythen Kearns, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    I share the concern of some commenters that the News didn't really attempt to tell competing viewpoints. I may agree with the message of the article, but one-sided stories make me uncomfortable. I would rather read both sides and then feel that my opinion is fully informed.

  • Jiggle Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2011 1:19 a.m.

    I also find Deseret News only shows one side.

    Over the years, many scientists have investigated the link between pornography and sex crimes and attitudes towards women. In every region investigated, researchers have found that as pornography has increased in availability, sex crimes have either decreased or not increased. Professor of Law Anthony DAmato at Northwestern Law School also published research in the topic. He asserted that the decline in rape cases in the United States (which was an astounding 85 percent in the past 25 years) directly correlates to the availability of pornography.

    The American public is probably not ready to believe it, DAmato said. My theory is that the sharp rise in access to pornography accounts for the decline in rape. The correlation is inverse: the more pornography, the less rape.

    Suppressing sexual desires and natural urges is unhealthy. Some people need a private outlet. For most women, theres no need to worry. Whatever may be drawing a man to porn, its seldom a reflection on his partner, says sex therapist Lonnie Barbach, PhD. The best studies suggest that only about 5% of porn users have a problem that interferes with their daily lifes.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Feb. 20, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    Well, 231 voters were fools.

    187 were wise.

    And 197 are either cowards or clueless. Take your pick.

  • Rae M. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    @Miss Piggie | 6:07 p.m. Feb. 19, 2011
    SLC, Utah:
    "There are certain populations of humans on this earth who wear no clothing at all. Men or women. Nada. They seem to have no pornography or crimes related thereto. There are no sex offenders or sexually addicted in jail or otherwise. Perhaps you could explain this phenomenon to us."

    You HAVE to be kidding, right?

  • Alfred SLC, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    @Miss Piggie:

    "The reason the husband turns to pornography in not just a few cases is because sexual relations shut down... Shut down not be the husband wandering off to view porn but by the husband's spouse's head aches."

    What you say has a lot of truth to it. But don't blame the head-achey spouse too much. Men and women are built quite differently and have very different sexual drives/needs. Women not so much and men a lot more, generally. Which means someone has to give... usually hubby. The challenge then, is to avoid porn and attend to ones spouse... without complaint or deviation. A fairly daunting task. Even a glance at a fair lady will get a reproval. So one needs to turn his back on those pretty girls with their fancy clothes and curls.

  • cactusflats American Fork, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    What job is a newspaper to do if it's not to shine a light on the sources of society's breakdowns? The commenter who argues that pornography isn't a problem for women since "women make 99% of it" is terribly misinformed.

  • Miss Piggie SLC, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    @A voice of Reason:

    "I will testify until I die that porn not only makes women objects for men, which hurts women in the end..."

    Wait a minute, isn't it women who provide 99 percent of porn? If it hurts them, why don't they cease the practice?

    @Cherilyn Eagar:

    "First, every prosecutor with whom I've talked has confirmed that nearly 100% of sex offenders are addicted to pornography."

    There are certain populations of humans on this earth who wear no clothing at all. Men or women. Nada. They seem to have no pornography or crimes related thereto. There are no sex offenders or sexually addicted in jail or otherwise. Perhaps you could explain this phenomenon to us.

    "I've interviewed many women whose marriages dissolved entirely or in part because of their husband's pornography use and conclusively have discovered that their sexual relationships with their husbands... shut down..."

    The reason the husband turns to pornography in not just a few cases is because sexual relations shut down... Shut down not be the husband wandering off to view porn but by the husband's spouse's head aches.

  • Foss Murray, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    Porn empowers women? When did empower and enslave become synonymous?

    The vote likely would have been the same with or without any debate. On moral issues, people usually choose their side and entrench. So this is more a survey of attitudes among this demographic than a win-or-lose debate.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    A story covering another news source about what a few students decided after a debate that no one reading this article never listened to. This story is up in stratosphere of irrelevant. Who cares? This is more about moralizing by the DesNews than about covering the news. Is the newspaper a religious tract?

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    I had to look at what page in the paper I was on...I thought I was in the obituaries. Because if young people really think that porn is good for society and the family, then we are dead.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Feb. 19, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Apparently these Cambridge folks have never read a certain paragraph from the old (and new) worlds:

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    Totalitarians always decry the free market.

  • LeFiffre Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    An observation here, contrasting this article and its response to another. At this writing, here 13 of 15 fellow readers decry the false fantasy that is porn. In a subsequent article, I see that only two people have commented on -- and justifiably decried -- the slap-on-the-wrist sentencing of Allen Glade Steed for having married his 14 year-old cousin against her will (i.e., one month in jail, probation, and a fine). My impression is that DN readers are more upset by the others' fantasy world than they are by real-world rape of a minor. Is that really how you feel?

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Feb. 19, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Studies have shown that if you do three things:

    1. Graduate from high school
    2. Wait until you are twenty to get married
    3. Wait until you are married to make a baby

    You have an 80% probability that you will never live in poverty. Miss any one of them and you have an 80% chance that you will live in poverty. Miss two of them and you are in poverty.

    Add a fourth item:

    If you can manage to stay out of jail your odds of never living in poverty increase to 95%

    A major cause of kids not finishing school, getting married too young and having children out of wedlock is teen pregnancy. Kids having sex.

    Porn is like pouring gasoline on the fire.

    Our prisons are filled with people from fatherless homes. Again, fatherless homes are caused by infidelity and financial pressures.

    If you want to fight poverty you must:

    1. Teach self control.
    2. Teach people how to work.
    3. Fight extramarital sex.

    Our society has a right to defend itself against the root cause of poverty (and high taxes). Ban Porn.

    Only intellectuals could come to such an idiotic conclusion as the Cambridge Union.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    More porn-less rape? This is a diversionary tactic. First, every prosecutor with whom I've talked has confirmed that nearly 100% of sex offenders are addicted to pornography.

    Second, today's laws are stricter for the sex offender (10 years in prison 20 years ago to 25 to life today) and are creating a much-needed (and obviously successful) deterrent factor.

    Third, go to LightedCandle dot org to get the stats on the horrific negative impact on the marriage relationship, increased sexual aggression and pornography as the gateway to using prostitution and extra-marital affairs.

    I've interviewed many women whose marriages dissolved entirely or in part because of their husband's pornography use and conclusively have discovered that their sexual relationships with their husbands either shut down (he was pursuing an extra-marital affair) or accelerated to extreme sexual abuse (rape and deviant sexual behavior within the marriage).

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    It has been prophesied that the end is near when the people a "ripened in iniquity".

    The middle east is aflame from end to end. Is anyone getting nervous yet?

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    I would like to see some of the studies others have said show lower rape and violent crime rates correlate with more porn. I don't believe pornography has any positive effects.

    I work with sex offenders and almost all have extensive histories with pornography.

  • srh83 Hillsboro, OR
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:32 a.m.

    @ Blackcoffee,

    I have to disagree with you on this one. Take a visit to your local prison and you will discover that rapists, pedophiles, and child abusers are always addicted to porn. That's where it starts!

  • TwoCents Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    I would like to invite all members of Cambridge to view porn on a regular basis and see how long their marriages/meaningful relationships last. It is a university after all: time to test the hypothesis.

  • Blackcoffee Cincinnati, Ohio
    Feb. 19, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Porn is only a problem if certain people perceive it that way. Societies with open access to erotica tend to have lower rates of rape and other sex crimes. Moreover, some people enjoy it as a sex education tool. As long as it is not child porn, and no one forces you to watch it, it should not even be an issue.

  • BO Holladay, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    What can we say. Cambridge is thought to be a school of great intellects. When their own desires outweigh the obvious truth that porn does no good for anyone. Lots of money in the industry but so many people hurt. Sad!

  • FreeMan Heber City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    Sad.

  • fanUVU Orem, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    Even the elite are deceived by the lies of porn. These are our future leaders???

  • Snack Pack Lehi, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 4:18 a.m.

    Fools. Never seen the impact it has on a life close to them, obviously.

  • noinipo Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 2:01 a.m.

    Lets run the numbers. Of 615 students, 37.5% say yes, 32% abstain, and 30.4% say no.

    I think something to consider is what is a "Good public service"?

    "Research shows pornography is linked to risky sexual behavior, sexual aggression, infidelity, divorce, decreased sexual satisfaction, according to the Heritage Foundation.

    Other studies show habitual pornography use damages relationships, productivity and happiness, the Witherspoon Institute reported."

    So 231 students of the Cambridge University Union Society have the ability to overrule these two studies?

    I want to know what they all think a "Good Public Service" is. I for one do not think the findings of the Heritage Foundation and Witherspoon Institute can be classified as good for society.

    Why do 231 Cambridge students get to decide what is and isn't good for society when they themselves only made up 37.5% of the vote?

  • Dewey Hewson Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:32 a.m.

    Does the Deseret News even try to maintain a semblance of impartiality anymore? They quote three sources in a row decrying pornography - specifically sources who have a vested interest in doing just that - and do nothing to reference stories which provide alternative point of views, including those which show that the more access to adult pornography a society has, the lower the rates of rape and other sexual crimes.

    I'm not taking a side either way here, but c'mon Deseret News. If you're going to report the news, then report the news. If you're just going to grandstand, at least have the integrity not to shroud it within articles only painting one half of the picture.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    My word against theirs. My voice, the liberal voice, the relativist voice, the conservative, and so on... it never ends... everyone either says they have answers or don't. Some want answers, some don't.

    I am no relativist and I will testify until I die that porn not only makes women objects for men, which hurts women in the end, but that it will do nothing but ruin the lives of its viewers and their families.

    This comes from the younger generations (and I am in the younger generation) simple desire to rebel against established morals. People don't want rules, or to have to be told that they do bad things. No one wants to be told that things they KNOW are wrong, really are bad... they want to cover up their guilt with public acceptance.

    Simple: If we know it can be seriously addictive and harmful, it is safer to avoid it. Viewing one bad video doesn't make someone a horrible person... but letting that become a lifestyle and living your life for it because you can't say no anymore... this ruins you and can hurt others. Rational thought is scarce these days.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    The results for a poll "Do you view porn?" would probably yield the same results.

    Universities should use this debate tactic to catch cheaters: ask students to debate "The justification of infractions of academic dishonesty; how far can you go before it is considered cheating?", and see who votes to be a bit less strict on cheating matters.

  • My2Pence Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    If it boosts ratings, it must be good for the public. Interesting logic. I thought Cambridge was a cut above the rest, seems its just another liberal bastion.