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Published: Friday, Feb. 18 2011 2:19 p.m. MST

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Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Good, shut the government down!

If we can't afford things, then we need to cut back on non-essential programs. We don't need tv to survive, We don't need art to survive, we don't need every social program that the left have pushed on us.

We don't need jet engines that the military doesn't want. We don't need polititicans that flee to resorts and have the president back them up.

Of course that just sums up baracks presidency. Vacations, vacations, vacations....meanwhile the country swirls around the toilet bowl to depression.

What we need is more leaders that will stand up and cut programs, cut waste. Finally we have a few leaders that are doing that, and who raises their ugly head? Unions that supported Barack with millions on his campaign. Our president was bought off by unions and other special interest groups who depend on taxing others for their income.

We need Americans to stand up and use their creative minds to get the economy. Printing money is not the solution. Unions the left just don't understand what it is like to work a job.

unaffiliated_person
Saratoga Springs, UT

By shooting down the net neutrality laws, we will all end up paying for it. ISP's will be allowed to make some connections slower than others because they use more bandwidth (even though they pay the same monthly amount). It will force companies like Netflix to raise their prices, and will force Google and the big ones to find creative ways of raising funds to cover the ISP's costs. Lastly, this allows the ISP's to pick and choose what internet traffic they will allow...not a good thing.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

$1.2 trillion dollars equals $1,200 billion dollars. They need to forget the scalpel, get the chainsaw out and do some serious amputations.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

All this talk of cutting debt....

and no one said anything about reducing the fuding to Iraq.

'Audit: US can't account for $8.7B in Iraqi funds' - By Tarek El-tablawy - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/27/10

Line:
'The funds are separate from the $53 billion allocated by Congress for rebuilding Iraq.'

But now we can't help Americans?

*'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10

'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...'

Until the other side starts offering any SOLUTIONS...

I also refuse to go BACK.

Phillip J Fry
West Valley City, Utah

Pagan,

You keep saying the other side hasn't offered any solutions but the truth is they offered plenty of solutions. If you remember back a couple of months the democrats controlled both houses of congress and the white house by large majorities. Any solutions that were offered up were promptly ignored and the those who offered up the solution were told to go "sit in the back of the bus". Just because republican ideas weren't included in obamacare doesn't mean they didn't have ideas.

At least they were intellectually honest enough to show up and cast their votes unlike some current democratic state senators I know of.

We the People
Sandy, UT

Great next step in stopping this unconstitutional and dangerous takeover of healthcare.

ThatsSoUtah
Washington, UT

So, the GOP insists on giving tax breaks to the richest of the rich, while pushing to cut funding that helps the poorest of poor.

They are definitely serving the people.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Pagan,
You keep saying the other side hasn't offered any solutions but the truth is they offered plenty of solutions.' - 'Phillip J Fry | 11:36 a.m. Feb. 18, 2011

Ok.

You claim Dems ignored plenty of solutions.

Name them.

I am not trying to be sarcastic here. Name them. Your post 11:36 a.m. does not give any names or proposed bills.

My point would be that the only solutions offered by the GOP...

is to go BACK to private insurance.

I am guessing that we agree, private insurance was/is the root cause of America's healthcare problems...

since it was private insurance that was denying coverage to it's members.

*'Heavy infant in Grand Junction denied health insurance' - By Nancy Lofholm - Denver Post - 10/12/09

'But he's 4 months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a treadmill," joked his frustrated father, Bernie Lange...'

Tami
Herriman, UT

We do indeed need to take a chainsaw to the budget. Family planning services go-it is not my job and should not be my obligation to pay for your family planning. Foreign aid needs to be seriously cut back, except in those matters involving national security, we can't help you when we can't even afford to help ourselves. The military budget needs to be bare bones until we have things under control. Services for the poor, disabled, etc need to be based on absolute, desperate need only. Natl programs like endowments for humanities and arts have got to go-we need a balanced budget so we don't collapse before we can afford art. Yes, this is going to hurt from what we have been used to. Hopefully, we will grow stronger in the short and long run.

ThatsSoUtah
Washington, UT

Here's an odd idea to get the budget looking a little better: tax reasonably. Normal people are already paying around 20-25% or more in income taxes. Let's set the tax rate for EVERYONE to the same level regardless of income level or charitable donations or anything else. You made $50,000 last year? You pay 20%. You made 500,000 last year? You pay 20%. You made 50,000,000,000 last year? You pay 20%.

Also, let's get rid of tax credits for having kids. That should provide another couple billion dollars. Maybe that can be used to pay for the education system parents whine that their kids don't get.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

The GOP just passed a bill that will cut back Billions from this years budget alone.

That is a solution pagan. No it's not going to solve the wreckless spending that both sides have been engaged in. But, it's a start. It's much better than trying another stimulus package.

The next step after passing that bill, is to continue to work the chainsaw at worthless programs and items that government should not be involved in. I believe we need a strong national defense. Iraq costs are nothing in comparison to medicaid and social security. The chainsaw needs to go at these programs heavily.

After the budget is balanced which would mean money to pay off the national debt. Then as revenue increases from not increasing taxes, but, from growth. Then we can look at re-instating programs. But being a bit wiser about entitlement nonsense that was passed to us in the 1930's. The idea of passing debt onto children so we can live the good life is irresponsible and lacks humanity and civility that the left claims to be championing.

John20000
Cedar Hills, UT

What if federal and state taxes were voluntary?

Or what if you gave your taxes to your senator and house rep and they could spend them any way they wanted to?

Or what if each citizen could allocate their taxes to any thing they want to? (This sounds like a marketplace approach to government)

If these scare you...you are beginning to understand the fragile hold the US has on its current overspending.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'The GOP just passed a bill that will cut back Billions from this years budget alone.' - 'Liberal Ted | 2:53 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011

And yet, even in this, they could not reach a goal they set for themselves.

*'How the House GOP promise to cut $100b became $32b' - By Luke Russert - NBC - 02/03/11

'However, when taking a closer look at the budget numbers, the actual savings found in the GOP plan equals $32 billion.'

And why now? No mention of debt when our last Republican presient held that office...

for 8 years.

I realize debt is an issue. Both sides spend.

However to spend an additional $158 billion on Iraq...

and stop domestic programs...

does zero to help defend America from military threats...

because no military threats, or WMD's were ever FOUND in Iraq.

*'US gives up search for Iraq WMD'
Line:
'Former head of UN weapons inspections Hans Blix also said there was no surprise in the announcement.
"We have believed that there weren't any weapons since around May or June 2003...' - BBC News - 01/12/05

The entire premise for this war was based on lies.

And we fund it.

Phillip J Fry
West Valley City, Utah

Are you serious Pagan?! You're trying to tell me you never heard about any of the Conservative/Republican ideas? I bet you didn't hear about the closed door meetings or Christmas Eve votes either. Does tort reform, interstate health insurance coverage and various ideas to promote competition among doctors ring any bells? Google "Health Care Solutions From Members of the RSC" if you want the full list of actual bill introduced in 2009. Every single one of them has a status of "Speaker Pelosi and the Democrat majority have not considered this bill in
committee or on the House floor."

ThatsSoUtah
Washington, UT

Okay, so the GOP wanted nothing to do with Health Care Reform until the dems had something ready to go. It was only then that they jumped in and started throwing crap into the mix while trying to start the whole thing over. The only reason they pushed for any changes was to stall the bill, not to come to any sort of resolution.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Google "Health Care Solutions From Members of the RSC" if you want the full list of actual bill introduced in 2009.' - Phillip J Fry | 3:51 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011

So, you don't know either.

I asked you for names Phillip. Dates details. Any would do.

Claiming Republicans offered solutions to healthcare was YOUR point. Asking me to do research to support YOUR point is foolish.

Since you have to refer me to all knowing google, it weakens any credibility that there WERE any solutions offered besides going right BACK to private insurance.

Phillip J Fry
West Valley City, Utah

Pagan, It only weakens the credibility in your own head because you won't take the 1 minute it would take to look up my reference. If you had put the effort in and copied my search criteria into google the first 5+ results would have been the complete list of bills introduced in 2009 by republicans. There were around 70 of them, none of them were even considered by the democratic majority. Since liberals can't be bothered by looking up facts here are a few of them.

H.R. 77 The Health Care Incentive Act
H.R. 109 Americas Affordable Health Care Act
H.R. 502 Health Care Freedom of Choice Act
H.R. 544 Flexible Health Savings Act
H.R. 879 The Affordable Health Care Expansion Act
H.R. 1086 Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act
H.R. 2249 Health Care Price Transparency Promotion Act
H.R. 2520 - Patients Choice Act
H.R. 2784 Partnership to Improve Seniors Access to Medicare Act
H.R. 3141 Strengthening the Health Care Safety Net Act

There are 60+ others I don't have space for. Bring on the next liberal lie.

ThatsSoUtah
Washington, UT

Another thought to mention on the whole "Obamacare" stuff being thrown around: The healthcare act is strikingly similar to one brought up by republicans during the Clinton administration.

Thusly, it had a lot of republican input.

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

Stop talking about budget items. The governing minds are not thinking about it.

The largest expense incurred by taxpayers is defense spending. Dems, GOP and teaparty members never touched it in the budget or counter proposals.

GOP house speaker is all for budget cuts but he was found out getting 450B for his state on a new aircraft engine even after the airforce said they did not need or want it.

Too bad the GOP speaker got caught as he was doing such a fine job pitching cost cutting.

Government wants to confuse so they talk about saving jobs and money by stopping healthcare but they talk about taking away more jobs and money with budget cuts.

Not a single person has stepped up as a leader in the presidential race. Everyone throws stones at current president. What would they do if elected remains to be seen. How would they change things?

Make your vote count when the time comes but if you vote for those in either party now it is a wasted vote.

sargemp68
Orange Park, FL

There were several items that the GOP recommended ,
1. Co-ops to group large group together to lower rates.
2. Ability to cross state lines to purchase ins which would Insurance more competitive.
3. No need to form another Government Board, to regulate treatment and medical regiment. Just more cost and more government.
4. to much Pork and other Bills attached that had nothing to do with healthcare.
ad infinitum...

during the so called meeting with Obama, The President told GOP leadership to shut up and sit down.
Both of my Grandfathers were entrepreneurial in their pursuits, and one was very political. It was with the later Grandfather I stated learning about Government and Politics.I was about4 or 5. The antics of Obama and his henchman, the spending by him and his wife, disgusts me to no end, an then telling us we have to tighten our belts while they go on another vacation or she goes shopping. They have to go... all of them that are trying to Bankrupt our country.

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