@ Pagan 10:05 a.m. Feb. 18, 2011"All this talk of cutting
debt....and no one said anything about reducing the fuding to
Iraq."Obama took office on 1/20/2009. He could have started
bringing back the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan two years ago.
There were several items that the GOP recommended ,1. Co-ops to group
large group together to lower rates.2. Ability to cross state lines to
purchase ins which would Insurance more competitive. 3. No need to form
another Government Board, to regulate treatment and medical regiment. Just more
cost and more government.4. to much Pork and other Bills attached that had
nothing to do with healthcare.ad infinitum...during the so
called meeting with Obama, The President told GOP leadership to shut up and sit
down. Both of my Grandfathers were entrepreneurial in their pursuits, and
one was very political. It was with the later Grandfather I stated learning
about Government and Politics.I was about4 or 5. The antics of Obama and his
henchman, the spending by him and his wife, disgusts me to no end, an then
telling us we have to tighten our belts while they go on another vacation or she
goes shopping. They have to go... all of them that are trying to Bankrupt our
Stop talking about budget items. The governing minds are not thinking about
it.The largest expense incurred by taxpayers is defense spending.
Dems, GOP and teaparty members never touched it in the budget or counter
proposals.GOP house speaker is all for budget cuts but he was found
out getting 450B for his state on a new aircraft engine even after the airforce
said they did not need or want it. Too bad the GOP speaker got
caught as he was doing such a fine job pitching cost cutting.Government wants to confuse so they talk about saving jobs and money by
stopping healthcare but they talk about taking away more jobs and money with
budget cuts.Not a single person has stepped up as a leader in the
presidential race. Everyone throws stones at current president. What would
they do if elected remains to be seen. How would they change things?Make your vote count when the time comes but if you vote for those in either
party now it is a wasted vote.
Another thought to mention on the whole "Obamacare" stuff being thrown
around: The healthcare act is strikingly similar to one brought up by
republicans during the Clinton administration. Thusly, it had a lot
of republican input.
Pagan, It only weakens the credibility in your own head because you won't take
the 1 minute it would take to look up my reference. If you had put the effort
in and copied my search criteria into google the first 5+ results would have
been the complete list of bills introduced in 2009 by republicans. There were
around 70 of them, none of them were even considered by the democratic majority.
Since liberals can't be bothered by looking up facts here are a few of them.H.R. 77 The Health Care Incentive ActH.R. 109 Americas
Affordable Health Care ActH.R. 502 Health Care Freedom of Choice ActH.R. 544 Flexible Health Savings ActH.R. 879 The Affordable Health
Care Expansion ActH.R. 1086 Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, timely
Healthcare (HEALTH) ActH.R. 2249 Health Care Price Transparency Promotion
ActH.R. 2520 - Patients Choice Act H.R. 2784 Partnership to Improve
Seniors Access to Medicare Act H.R. 3141 Strengthening the Health Care
Safety Net ActThere are 60+ others I don't have space for. Bring on
the next liberal lie.
'Google "Health Care Solutions From Members of the RSC" if you want
the full list of actual bill introduced in 2009.' - Phillip J Fry | 3:51 p.m.
Feb. 18, 2011 So, you don't know either. I asked you
for names Phillip. Dates details. Any would do. Claiming Republicans
offered solutions to healthcare was YOUR point. Asking me to do research to
support YOUR point is foolish. Since you have to refer me to all
knowing google, it weakens any credibility that there WERE any solutions offered
besides going right BACK to private insurance.
Okay, so the GOP wanted nothing to do with Health Care Reform until the dems had
something ready to go. It was only then that they jumped in and started throwing
crap into the mix while trying to start the whole thing over. The only reason
they pushed for any changes was to stall the bill, not to come to any sort of
Are you serious Pagan?! You're trying to tell me you never heard about any of
the Conservative/Republican ideas? I bet you didn't hear about the closed door
meetings or Christmas Eve votes either. Does tort reform, interstate health
insurance coverage and various ideas to promote competition among doctors ring
any bells? Google "Health Care Solutions From Members of the RSC" if
you want the full list of actual bill introduced in 2009. Every single one of
them has a status of "Speaker Pelosi and the Democrat majority have not
considered this bill in committee or on the House floor."
'The GOP just passed a bill that will cut back Billions from this years budget
alone.' - 'Liberal Ted | 2:53 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011 And yet, even in
this, they could not reach a goal they set for themselves. *'How
the House GOP promise to cut $100b became $32b' - By Luke Russert - NBC -
02/03/11'However, when taking a closer look at the budget numbers,
the actual savings found in the GOP plan equals $32 billion.' And
why now? No mention of debt when our last Republican presient held that
office... for 8 years. I realize debt is an issue. Both
sides spend. However to spend an additional $158 billion on
Iraq... and stop domestic programs... does zero to help
defend America from military threats... because no military threats,
or WMD's were ever FOUND in Iraq. *'US gives up search for Iraq
WMD'Line:'Former head of UN weapons inspections Hans Blix also said
there was no surprise in the announcement. "We have believed that
there weren't any weapons since around May or June 2003...' - BBC News -
01/12/05 The entire premise for this war was based on lies. And we fund it.
What if federal and state taxes were voluntary?Or what if you gave
your taxes to your senator and house rep and they could spend them any way they
wanted to?Or what if each citizen could allocate their taxes to any
thing they want to? (This sounds like a marketplace approach to government)If these scare you...you are beginning to understand the fragile hold
the US has on its current overspending.
The GOP just passed a bill that will cut back Billions from this years budget
alone.That is a solution pagan. No it's not going to solve the
wreckless spending that both sides have been engaged in. But, it's a start. It's
much better than trying another stimulus package.The next step after
passing that bill, is to continue to work the chainsaw at worthless programs and
items that government should not be involved in. I believe we need a strong
national defense. Iraq costs are nothing in comparison to medicaid and social
security. The chainsaw needs to go at these programs heavily.After
the budget is balanced which would mean money to pay off the national debt. Then
as revenue increases from not increasing taxes, but, from growth. Then we can
look at re-instating programs. But being a bit wiser about entitlement nonsense
that was passed to us in the 1930's. The idea of passing debt onto children so
we can live the good life is irresponsible and lacks humanity and civility that
the left claims to be championing.
Here's an odd idea to get the budget looking a little better: tax reasonably.
Normal people are already paying around 20-25% or more in income taxes. Let's
set the tax rate for EVERYONE to the same level regardless of income level or
charitable donations or anything else. You made $50,000 last year? You pay 20%.
You made 500,000 last year? You pay 20%. You made 50,000,000,000 last year? You
pay 20%. Also, let's get rid of tax credits for having kids. That
should provide another couple billion dollars. Maybe that can be used to pay for
the education system parents whine that their kids don't get.
We do indeed need to take a chainsaw to the budget. Family planning services
go-it is not my job and should not be my obligation to pay for your family
planning. Foreign aid needs to be seriously cut back, except in those matters
involving national security, we can't help you when we can't even afford to help
ourselves. The military budget needs to be bare bones until we have things under
control. Services for the poor, disabled, etc need to be based on absolute,
desperate need only. Natl programs like endowments for humanities and arts have
got to go-we need a balanced budget so we don't collapse before we can afford
art. Yes, this is going to hurt from what we have been used to. Hopefully, we
will grow stronger in the short and long run.
'Pagan, You keep saying the other side hasn't offered any solutions but
the truth is they offered plenty of solutions.' - 'Phillip J Fry | 11:36 a.m.
Feb. 18, 2011 Ok. You claim Dems ignored plenty of
solutions. Name them. I am not trying to be sarcastic
here. Name them. Your post 11:36 a.m. does not give any names or proposed
bills. My point would be that the only solutions offered by the
GOP... is to go BACK to private insurance. I am guessing
that we agree, private insurance was/is the root cause of America's healthcare
problems... since it was private insurance that was denying coverage
to it's members. *'Heavy infant in Grand Junction denied health
insurance' - By Nancy Lofholm - Denver Post - 10/12/09 'But he's 4
months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a
treadmill," joked his frustrated father, Bernie Lange...'
So, the GOP insists on giving tax breaks to the richest of the rich, while
pushing to cut funding that helps the poorest of poor.They are
definitely serving the people.
Great next step in stopping this unconstitutional and dangerous takeover of
Pagan,You keep saying the other side hasn't offered any solutions
but the truth is they offered plenty of solutions. If you remember back a
couple of months the democrats controlled both houses of congress and the white
house by large majorities. Any solutions that were offered up were promptly
ignored and the those who offered up the solution were told to go "sit in
the back of the bus". Just because republican ideas weren't included in
obamacare doesn't mean they didn't have ideas. At least they were
intellectually honest enough to show up and cast their votes unlike some current
democratic state senators I know of.
All this talk of cutting debt.... and no one said anything about
reducing the fuding to Iraq. 'Audit: US can't account for $8.7B in
Iraqi funds' - By Tarek El-tablawy - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/27/10Line:'The funds are separate from the $53 billion allocated by
Congress for rebuilding Iraq.' But now we can't help Americans? *'Wellpoint Drops Coverage For Some Women With Breast Cancer' - By Mary
Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10 'Yesterday, an investigation
by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint routinely drops coverage of women with breast
cancer. According to the report, Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that
automatically targeted...' Until the other side starts offering any
SOLUTIONS... I also refuse to go BACK.
$1.2 trillion dollars equals $1,200 billion dollars. They need to forget the
scalpel, get the chainsaw out and do some serious amputations.
By shooting down the net neutrality laws, we will all end up paying for it.
ISP's will be allowed to make some connections slower than others because they
use more bandwidth (even though they pay the same monthly amount). It will force
companies like Netflix to raise their prices, and will force Google and the big
ones to find creative ways of raising funds to cover the ISP's costs. Lastly,
this allows the ISP's to pick and choose what internet traffic they will
allow...not a good thing.
Good, shut the government down!If we can't afford things, then we
need to cut back on non-essential programs. We don't need tv to survive, We
don't need art to survive, we don't need every social program that the left have
pushed on us.We don't need jet engines that the military doesn't
want. We don't need polititicans that flee to resorts and have the president
back them up.Of course that just sums up baracks presidency.
Vacations, vacations, vacations....meanwhile the country swirls around the
toilet bowl to depression.What we need is more leaders that will
stand up and cut programs, cut waste. Finally we have a few leaders that are
doing that, and who raises their ugly head? Unions that supported Barack with
millions on his campaign. Our president was bought off by unions and other
special interest groups who depend on taxing others for their income.We need Americans to stand up and use their creative minds to get the economy.
Printing money is not the solution. Unions the left just don't understand what
it is like to work a job.