It's a mental problem.The way to adjust it is to really push them to their
limits. I'm dissapointed with some of the comments from Tyrone, CJ,
etc. They're getting too encouraged by their effort, not results.
"It's tough but it happens;" or "It is what it is." I'm
getting tired of DWill's surly cliches summing up all that went wrong in a game.
He usually throws in a "No excuses," too, heavily laced with
semi-transparent excuses alluding to calls not going our way, or to missing and
injured players. I wonder if he realizes how many winning seasons Jerry Sloan
coached that had every bit as difficult spans with only 9 men--or
fewer--dressing and healthy, and still managed to avoid losing 5 games in a row
at home, or ever. I like all our players and wish them the best, but their
so-called leader really needs to man up and start doing the little mundane
things, on BOTH ends of the court to start winning. Their defense is miserable,
and all the offensive effort in the world is not going to make what Jerry Sloan
tried to get through his head less true today than it was for the last 20 years:
Defense wins, Deron,and man, you better be the LAST person in a Jazz uniform to
ever feel sorry for yourself.
How many of you already miss Jerry?
Do not make a trade, do not change chemistry and do not guard 3 pointers;well oh wellexpect this to continue
3 games recently lost... what's sad is that those games could've been won with
good offensive execution in the closing minutes of the game. (kinda like what
sloan would demand from his players) last 2 minutes and all you see are botched
up plays and hurried 3 point attempts. where have all the hard screens and hard
cuts gone? millsap and jefferson were having good games against the warriors,
and yet, all we saw were 3 point attempts by miles and williams in last minutes
of the game. geez. i wanted to point out the awful defense but it's the new
jazz; they don't believe in defense anymore! p.s., anonigma i agree
with you. Ty corbin and some players seem too content with the
"effort" when it's winning that's more important. i used to sometimes
think sloan was a bit too gloomy and hard to satisfy. but now i can't stand
those rosy and optimistic platitudes that current coach and jazzmen now spew out
everytime they lose.
sad day for jazz fans... 3 games recently lost... what's sad is that those games
could've been won with good offensive execution in the closing minutes of the
game. (kinda like what sloan would demand from his players) last 2 minutes and
all you see are botched up plays and hurried 3 point attempts. where have all
the hard screens and hard cuts gone? millsap and jefferson were having good
games against the warriors, and yet, all we saw were 3 point attempts by miles
and williams in last minutes of the game. geez. i wanted to point out the awful
defense but it's the new jazz; they don't believe in defense anymore!
The Jazz simply do not have enough talented experienced players to win right
now. Corbin has done an excellent job of adjusting the offense and
running plays that bog down less. He only utilized the flex aspects of the
offense for a few minutes. The starters logged 40 minutes. That was
out of necessity. IF you give Corbin a couple more decent players he will win.
You lose for reasons. It is basically cause and effect. This team is
deficient in 3 point shooting and needs 1 more effective big. They
would then be rested enough to finish. That would create a rotation
among the 3 bigs and a shooting rotation among 4 wings (plus Hayward) who have
some outside shooting ability when healthy. The effort is there. The
coaching is not bad. The resources needed are not there right now.The Jazz are in the lux tax. They will kiss the year off and dump salary. Or
they will add a shooter and try to make the play offs. I like the
offensive adjustments Corbin is making. He is a decent coach. Get a shooter and
heal 2 players. The defense will improve with healthy players.
Bottom line, it's a lack of toughness. When the going gets tough in the 4th
quarter, the Jazz panic and die. CJ, "I've never seen a shot I didn't
like" Miles starts hucking up 3 pointers that don't go in. They get out of
the offense and settle for outside shots and they just give up on defense. Look
at how many lay ups they allowed Golden State to make in the 4th last night. No
"go to guy" on offense. All in all, a pretty abysmal team.
Coach Williams is 0-3 now.
What do Jerry and DWill have in common?They both quit on this team.
Deron says " we have to figure out ways to win" too bad he ran off
the coach who used to do that for them. As players the team would
have been happier to see him just play and let the coach do the coaching. Now
it seems that coach Williams is having to do more than he is capable of.Trading players may not help this group.
I'm a Sloan homer and I'll be the first to say we would have lost these games
with Sloan.@josemb- have you not watched the season? They haven't
been executing down the stretch for months now. It's not Corbin's fault. The main problem is the injuries, specifically DWill's wrist. We are
getting about 60% of DWill right now. Props to him for playing hurt. The other problem is that we don't have any three point shooters and we can't
guard the paint or the three.
Fire O'Conner. He's to blame.
I agree with JFFR. Corbin has the offense running reasonably well at about 100
points in the last 3 games. Give him 2 more healthy players and time
to practice some D adjustments and this should turn around. I am not
a CJ fan but GS packed the paint and dared Utah to shoot 3s a the end. There are
NO set Jazz 3 point plays. Sometimes when CJ chucks it is because there are NO
better options. DWill is dinged. AJ, Millsap, Hayward and Watson are
not 3 point shooters. GS counted on CJ not being able to hit enough
at the end having played 40 minutes. This is not CJs fault. It is
just smart Bball by GS and a lack of shooters by Utah. I am normally
critical of CJs shooting percentage. But sometimes he is forced to shoot.
D-Will is not an All-Star caliber player. All-Star's win games in the final
minutes. The first couple of weeks of the season, D-Will played great. Since
then, he's lost more games than he's won. To be an All Star, a player needs to
keep on winning those games ALL season long. Even with Sloan on the
bench, the Jazz would've lost these games as the players aren't performing and
executing the plays that are being called.
The truth comes out .. .looks like dwill had asked to be traded ... and koc said
no.. wow you are stupid koc.. dwill cant carry our team .. so what happens
..derron grew tired of sloans outdated tactics and his unwillingness to play
younger players anlong with a laundry list of other complaints .. so sloan
retires bc his top player wants out rather then play for him... All i can say is
dwill is gone in 2012 anyway and if you trade him now you can get a kings
randsom for him .. so make the dang trade koc ..ive listed before about 15
trades that would make us better right now and most of them could include a
first round pick..what people dont relize is that if you look at all the top
prospects comming into college,and college, and you look at the nba right now,
the point guard is by far the most saturated position and thus by far the
easiest to replace...
Jazz thought Bell could replace Korvers shooting, Jefferson replace Boozers
rebounding- they didn't. The age, injuries, and indifference have all taken
their toll. All in all, defense is slightly better, offense a bit worse, and
effort from the vets is way down.
Sloan is missed and DWill misses the point of a team? "This is more
games than 'I' have lost at home in more that two or three years." Is it
really is all about an individual and not about a team?Let's home
the Jazz can find themselves quickly.
to be fair . no doubt williams run sloan off but he is the jazz closer. right
now he is not even 60 percent. it shows with all the turnovers and poor
shooting. at least he is playing boz would be on the bench rather than mess his
stats up. thats the only good thing i have to sy about him at this time
A few points on the Jazz:1) Not D-Wills fault. Hurt his wrist in
January and has been playing hurt ever since2) O'Conner refuses to
make a trade. If free agents won't come to Utah, what is O'Conner doing
sittting on Kirilenko's $ 18M expiring contract? Send him somewhere and get a
couple of players in return that are signed for the future.3) Only
team in the NBA without a consistent outside scoring threat4)
Hayward is a nice guy and probably a Boy Scout but is NOT the 9th pick of ANY
draft.5) Bench is awful. Jazz were playing 7 on 12 last night.6) Sat behind O'Conner last night and saw him jump up about 10 times to
yell at the refs. Not the refs problem. Look in the mirror KOC.
If Dwill is only 60%, why is he playing? AK is 80% and not playing. Bell is
70% and not playing. Memo is 100% and not playing........Dwill is
hurting the team by playing if he is truly that hurt. Take two weeks off, miss
the allstar game and heal. But he won't. After the allstar game he will take
the time off. Mark my words on that one..........
I wonder how KOC feels suddenly finding himself stepping into the footprints of
Craig Thompson. I wonder about the Millers... stepping out of their father's.
In watching the post game interview with CJ, at one point he dropped his head,
coughed hard and said "wow". Must have been something he
was choking on, like a jump shot.
Why are the Jazz not making trades or trying to sign new people? I have to be
the first to say that before the Utah Jazz-Cavaliers-Titanics they SHOULD TRADE
I have a tendency to believe it is Lack of Toughness.Mostly mental
toughness.But I will reserve judgment until after the all-star break. Some
teams come out of the break all rejuvenated, let's see what kind of toughness
this team has.
Fire O'Conner!!! His personel moves are terrible!!!
How much is Kevin O'Connell getting paid?
I grew up a Knicks fan and still am but the Jazz are my #1 team. I started
watching the Jazz in 92 cause of Malone, Stockton and Sloan. This is the worst
it has been but its because the perfect storm materialized. I think Corbin has
potential. Once the team gets healthy, he NEEDS to start Memo, AJ, AK, Bell and
DWill. Bring Milsap and CJ off the bench to boost the 2nd unit. This team can
and will win again this season. KOC has done a terrible job unfortunately. Not
signing mathews, drafting hayward at number 9 (he is a nice guy but 9? really?,
not trading boozer for something of value..etc..
My two cents about defending the three-point shot.Just a few short years ago
when the Spurs played the Suns in a playoff series,Popavich told his players to
absolutely not let the Suns have an uncontested three-point shot since the 'three" was (and still is) a huge part of the Sun's offense.The Spurs
executed this plan even if it meant weakly defending the two point shot.I still
remember that in that series,and more specifically in the game I saw.The Suns
were beaten to a pulp.Have I seen anything remotely resembling that coaching
philosophy coming from Sloan or Corbin? The answer is a big fat 'NO' I wish the
Jazz ,for once, would defend the three point line with all their might even if
it means giving up some twos. Come on Horny and Corbin! I know you can defend
the three-ball much better than what your doing.
There is no trade available that will make the Jazz good enough this year to
compete for a championship.They can trade to make us worse in the
future but make the playoffs this year (trade AK for players with horrible
contracts that no team wants like Rip Hamilton). They can trade to
dump salary and avoid the luxury tax, which would make us less competitive in
all regards (trade AK for someone with a smaller salary and much less
contribution). Lastly, they can trade to go wholesale into
rebuilding mode (trade DWill, Jefferson etc). In the long run the
Jazz are best off either holding steady with what they have, or going into
rebuild mode wholesale.
Sky falling. Fairweather fans all over huh. Jazz is good team get healthy and
make a playoff. In playoff could happen anything. Go AK
AK is not going to be traded. The 17 million savings next year is worth more
than any trade to the franchise.CJ is not going to be traded. His
less than 4 million a year is dirt cheap for 20 points a night.They
would love to trade Memo and Bell but most likely there is no value to another
team until next year.The Jazz with everyone healthy are top 10 in
the NBA and that is good enough for Utah and its small market.
A few weeks ago I would have never considered the idea of trading DWill as a
good idea. But now, he might be the only player we have that anybody else wants
(although I'm sure teams would trade for Millsap too). It just feels like they
need to make some personnel changes to stop the ship from sinking. I'm not sure
what we'll have to look forward to if they continue playing without a good SG or
a real starting center.
Does everyone forget that when this team was healthy, earlier in the year, they
@CJ Miles- 60% was just a guess. DWill is still valuable cause he can pass and
break down defenses. He just isn't shooting all that well and is turning the
ball over more (maybe it's affecting his dribbling a little bit)Your
last post is correct. When this team is healthy, they win games. They are a
lot better then they are playing right now. If they continue the way they are
right now they won't make the playoffs. But they are going to get better. They
are gonna beat some of the top 5 teams in this league and have some exciting
games. I could even see a first round upset...
We want a 10-day!We want a 10-day!We want a 10-day!Come
on everyone, start chanting!!! It would give me something to be
excited about. How's it gonna hurt? We might even get a Sundiata moment and we
all know every Jazz fan is somewhat endeared to Othyus Jeffers (if you bring him
back great, if not, I'm willing to fall in love with another 10-day)We want a 10-day!!!!
How could anyone post that the Jazz should trade Dwill? That's like Cleveland
trading LeBron....Oh wait, LeBron left Cleveland and how are the Cavaliers doing
now?We have a good PF in Jefferson with a great back up in
Millsap.We have the game's best PG with a great backup in Watson.Need to lose Memo and Fes and get a descent center.AK and CJ
are great at the small forward.Big hole is at the two. The Jazz need
a good shooting guard and Bell coming off the bench.This team is one
2 guard and Memo healthy from being an elite team. Or trading Memo's contract
for another center.
It's a talent problem pure and simple. The Jazz have won 8 out of their last 24
games (since Jan. 1). They are finished as far as the playoffs are concerned
this year. Deron Williams's last year in a Jazz uniform is next season.
Actually the Jazz have been playing better without Deron in the lineup. He is
not as talented as the broadcasters would lead us to believe. He is constantly
attempting passes that are high risk and causing turnovers. He is not a three
point threat. Bottom line; when you examine the roster man for man, it is not
up to the level that will generate any possible playoff hope whatsoever. Right
now as far as I am concerned, they are merely entertainment and a venue to see
some of the real players in the league. It is sad to see the demise of the
franchise. When are we going to hear the complete story about the
coaching change? It is quite evident that the team and management have thrown
in the towel for this season.I have a question about the Jazz
telecasters. When are they going to call the game instead of their nonsense?
The pac called and want to add the Jazz instead of the u basketball team to
their conference. It's win-win!
we're at 8th place right now, after the all star break I hope the Jazz start
winning games, otherwise we continue to go down,I still want the Jazz to make it
to playoffs even at 8th seed.. buckle up jazz fans and enjoy the ride! or maybe
you're right JFFR, the jazz hasn't been executing that well in offense the past
month. i was just thinking that since "you-know-who" got his wish of
getting free of sloan's structured offense the jazz would be able to play better
offense. at least that's what you-know-who wants. they had a chance to win those
3 last games but offensive inefficiency doomed them. i was just saying that if
they had played using sloan's system those last 2 minutes of each game they
could have won those games. when the outcome of those games came to executing in
offense, they failed miserably.
Went to the game last night. What pitiful teams. BYU and San Diego State would
annihilate both teams at this point in time. Crummy passing, poor shooting, bad
rebounding, what a farce for NBA pros. As we lef the game several
fans saw my BYU hat and said if I had any contacts try and get Jimmer (and
Jackson) on the JAZZ team because they are pitiful.
why trade deron? coz he will leave anyway...so why not get some of value for
him...trade him to philly...for Holiday...turner spreights or Hawes and a first
and second round draft pick....or trade him to the nets...and get what they are
offering for melo....we could include memo and raja on the trade...
Didnt Williams come close to a triple double in the loss last night. Dont throw the baby out with the bath water folks!Deron makes this
team better. We need shooters and healthy players asap.
Miles: Why do you keep wanting CJ to play the 3, he is much better suited to
play the 2. As a 3 he is undersized and at a disadvantage against the better 3's
in the league, Durrant,KingJames,Granger,Pierce, Carmelo and I'm sure there are
others. As a 2 he has the advantage alittle, I would much rather see CJ play the
Fickle Jazz fansD-Will is that good! He was all NBA last year!!! An
Olympian!!! He has won NBA player of the month!!! Should have been on at least 1
more All-Star team!!! *** Our local guys don't get to pick all that stuff! Just
report it. He has been a bit off of late? Still scoring 21 a game with 9
assists!!! Run him out and see what the very bottom looks like! And good luck
getting a big time player to ever come to Utah again!!!