I do not think anybody is bailing out on the Jazz. We are just calling them out
!! And that is a good thing !! As fans yeah sometimes we get carried
away but we for sure are not stupid !
@CJ Miles...the under 4M challenge eh?...with the same minutes CJ is
playing? and the amount of shots he takes?...i could name a few...Toney
Douglas...Bill Walker...Reggie Williams...i think morrow is at least 4M so i'll
toss his name...take note...if all are equal...shots taken minutes played...im
sure they could put up 20 a night...also your comment of CJ having
not used to getting a lot of minutes and getting gassed out tells you
what?....yup...a lazy bum...if he has a well conditioned body...he wouldn't need
to adjust...since he would be physically fit...to play in any amount of
minutes...that is what Sloan required...that was required during the
Malone-Stockton Era...players nowadays are lazy...just cashing their checks year
after year...if CJ gets traded and does well...good for him...but...i would
concentrate on the JAZZ team getting wins rather than a certain player who is
lazy to even get into game shape...
Trading a ton of players will only make this team go backwards. part of the
reason they are struggling is because their team defense is horrible. You get
lottery teams if you make a hundred trades a season, you have to ride out the
bad times if you wanna end up like the spurs are now. The Spurs barely made the
playoffs last year now look at them. These guys just need time together, and
hopefully they don't bail on each other like the fans have.The
defense is very poor though, there is no help defense whatsoever.
C.J. more than likely is not tradeable merely because other teams have seen his
decision making and up & down success. I am just barely holding on to the
Jazz and find that Chicago with 3 former Jazz players is far more fun to watch
and cheer for. All of the teams at the top of the NBA standings have made trades
to get there, why not us?
We don't need shooters. What we need is makers. ;)
Houdini, Name me a player that you would trade CJ for that can put up 20 points
a night for under 4 million a year? Oh that's right, you can't name even
one!!CJ can score with the best in the league when he takes as many
shots as a Kobe or Durrant. Denial is good though.........
We are playing terrible defense, however we have our 2 ( or should I said our
only 2 ) best defensive players out the last 3 games, remember last time we
faced this team Raja hold Ellis to only 2 points in that game. I agree with
Bugoff we are injured and our guys played 40+ minutes 2 consecutive nights. As
they heal will get better.At the begining of the season every analyst put
the Jazz in 7th or 8th by the all star break, that's exactly where we are right
now. The road has been bumpy but that's what was expected of this team on their
1st year together. Let's hope they come back focus and make a nice run get in to
the play offs and that is another season where amazin can happen.Let's go Jazz!
When the team comes back, they have seven of ten road games with the first at
Dallas. Boston also comes to town rightaway. They are in big trouble and in a
"world of hurt". From the series with the Lakers last year, it was
obvious from everyone who commented on tv that they were "outsized".
I would say that they should "sell the farm" to get Bogut who played
at Utah and would have immense fan appeal.
Houdini, I'm not blinded by it, I see it, I even mention it and call him on it
but I still hope he can change and become the player we need. Getting rid of CJ
or any other player for that matter isn't as easy as everyone wants to make it
sound. You can't just open up trade talks with other teams and get the players
you want at the price you want. CJ is better than you want to give him credit
for, he just isn't as good as we want or see he could be. That is frustrating,
even DWill is inconsistent but he has proven to be a winner, CJ has yet to prove
that. I think he can though and that is what I will continue to hope for. I'd
rather be positive than negative.
Capt,you missed the point,miles was getting 25 minutes under Sloan,11 points,now
40 minutes under Corbin,17 points,who cares whether he starts or not,does he
help us win? does he play good defense?,is he a good player?,is he in shape?,is
he a difference maker?has he EVER hit a big shot to win a game? NO to all,open
your eyes Capt,you`re blinded by what you hope and wish cj would be
Miles: I hope so. CJ seems to have been playing harder for Corbin but he still
looks winded and out of shape. CJ frustrates me because I see so much potential
in him and you can't play to your potential if you can't hustle & exert
fully. I agree it is hard to shoot well or be consistent when your tired but
that is CJ's fault, he needs to work harder at getting in better shape. If you
know him or anyone else who knows him or has his twitter etc, he needs to have a
pre game shooting workout like Ray Allen or Reggie Miller have/had, it would do
wonders for CJ. You don't become the best unless you work hard enough to make it
Same pathetic pick and roll defense.Same result.This
team is shorthanded and without AK they have no chance to win games.AK may be overpaid but he is the difference maker. We would not have lost to
the Suns if he would not have been injured. He was rolling.The team
started better with CJ starting and Raja out.This team is in a death
spiral.This is going to end like a bad accident..people are going to
start watching us for the same reasons they keep tabs on the cavaliers.Anyone doubting why Jerry bailed off this sinking ship?Jerry's
system works if players are committed and run it. It usually will work even
with injuries (see Jerrys record even with starters out) but when the players
won't trust and commit to the system, break off plays, and jack up shots with
nobody in rebounding position, fight through screens like sissies, only play
defense when convenient, yada, yada, yada, ....well, then you get what we have
now.If nothing else I hope they all get humbled and realize they
aren't much good individually and perhaps then they will recommit to what works.
Re: BugoffHe has it just right. Read his post. Yes, we need another
BIG. Fez has not got the talent. It should be apparent by now. Will Okur ever
get back to his full strength? We have been limping along for some time now.
Time is fleeting.
If D-will's wrist is still hurting and he has been playing hurt, it would be
wise for him to NOT play in the all-star game. Instead, he should concentrate
on healing that wrist and concentrating on the rest of the season. Looks like
the whole team has hit a brick wall. The supposed leader of our team has become
nothing but a whiner this past year. And for you commentators who keep bringing
up Sloan's name - he's gone (for whatever reasons), move on, get over it.
Captain..Under Jerry CJ was averaging about 20 minutes a game. Under Corbin, 40
minutes a game. Dwill, Millsap and AJ are used to the minutes, CJ is not. He is
tired at the end of the game and you need your legs to shoot. The problem is
there is no bench right now. Once CJ's body adapts to more minutes he will be
A few points on the Jazz:1) Not D-Wills fault. Hurt his wrist in
January and has been playing hurt ever since2) O'Conner refuses to
make a trade. If free agents won't come to Utah, what is O'Conner doing sittting
on Kirilenko's $ 18M expiring contract? Send him somewhere and get a couple of
players in return that are signed for the future.3) Only team in the
NBA without a consistent outside scoring threat4) Hayward is a nice
guy and probably a Boy Scout but is NOT the 9th pick of ANY draft.5)
Bench is awful. Jazz were playing 7 on 12 last night.6) Sat behind
O'Conner last night and saw him jump up about 10 times to yell at the refs. Not
the refs problem. Look in the mirror KOC.
Miles: I agree with your statement about CJ starting and the Jazz getting off to
a better start. My comment was to Houdini, that the fact that the Jazz have lost
the 3 games CJ has started have nothing to do with CJ starting. CJ's starting
has been a good thing, finishing games, is a totally different thing. CJ still
has to show me he can be dependable in the clutch. I'm still hoping, Corbin
likes CJ and will work to build CJ's confidence and hopefully his consistency.
The Jazz get burned by the 3 pt shot way too often, they should see that the 3
pt shot is tremendous weapon. I'm not saying we should run an offense like NY or
GS but even SA,Dallas,Boston,Orlando,& several other top teams use the 3 pt
shot as part of their offense and not as a last resort when the clock is running
out.I think Corbin will make some changes but it will take some time. To me the biggest problem right now is DEFENSE, if he can correct that, things
will change for the better. That is a big problem though and getting the players
to step up with energy and toughness will be a major challenge.
None of you commentors mention it, so I will. Williams is getting lit up nightly
by smaller quicker guards, and his turnovers, bad shooting, and overall hero
mentality is disgusting! Trading him now with A.K., Miles, and Memo would bring
us the type of players Corbin needs to succeed. Williams himself would get us
another quality point guard and a front line player, then the rest would bring
in players who will compete on both ends within Corbin and Horny's new system.
Just do it O'Connor and Greg it's the only way out of the funk!
Captain L that is funny. All season long most every post on here was about the
Jazz slow starts.......My statement about CJ starting and the Jazz being ahead
is a completely valid point because the Jazz all year long were playing catch up
ball. Now with CJ in the starting lineup, we are not behind every game after
one quarter.The problem is now the Jazz have too many players hurt
and no bench. That problem will fix itself as players heal and return to the
court. Then the Jazz will start winning games again unless Corbin goes back to
the same ol same ol.
The Jazz have always focused on the offense. They failed to win the
championship because of this. No interior defense, the first place to start a
winning team since Eaton left. Note this is the key to both Boston's
championship and the Laker's ascendence with Gasol and Bynam. Inside scoring
always a Jazz strength is based on hard screens and cuts by the big and small
players (a Stockton hall mark), but not a DWill strength. With out such screens
and hard cuts, at crunch time when the NBA plays some defense the Jazz offense
bogs down and leads to very poor shots on the exterior by poor outside shooters
like DWill and inconsistent shooters like CJ. Add this to the Jazz point guards
being a step slow and unable to stay in front of even mediocre opposition
players (note Lin last nite, and you have a losing team. And, the return of the
injured players will not solve these problems. The Jazz have two great pieces
to trade Dwill and Kirlenko's expiring contract, time for KOC to get busy.
How can we expect a team to play well with 9 players, of which 2 are rookies,
one is blind (CJ) and at least 2 are playing injured. Greg your team belongs in
the D league.
All of you who are crying for trades are delusional, it's not that easy. First
you have to find players that will make your team better and at a price that is
within the teams financial abilities. The Jazz have some good players, they just
need toughness. If Corbin can't get them to play tougher, then maybe they will
look to unload who they have. I don't see KOC seeing that he has terrible
players like alot of you posting seem to think.CJ is not a bad player, he
is soft though and if Corbin can't get him to improve, get in better shape, and
toughen up he will always be inconsistent.Houdini: Your statement about CJ
doesn't' make sense, CJ starting and the Jazz being ahead after the 1st quarter
is a good thing but totally separate from finishing a game with a win.Bugoff: I agree with you again about the 3pt shot, I have complained for years
about Sloan not using the 3pt shot as a viable part of the offense. If your team
is prepared & know the 3pt shot is coming, they can get long rebounds and
20 games ago is when there were rumors of a rift between Coach Sloan and the
players. Williams won out, but he forgot that the reason he was so good is
because of the disciplined Sloan system. The other problem is that we have slow,
constantly injured stiffs. Maybe there is a Jefferson curse?
That was a great defensive effort at the end letting Curry and Ellis drive to
the hoop for layups. At least we have BYU to watch until round 2 or 3 of March
DWill wants to run. When we did, they were totally out of control, lots of turn
overs and poor shots. How many points did the Warriors get at the same time? And
you can't blame everything on CJ. Although I've never liked him. But when the
Jazz needed the points the most, they ALL started taking J's from the parking
lot. Like the Jazz players are afraid of all the other teams in the league so
we're going to. Forget about a post season because it won't happen. They won't
work the system cuz DWill and the players know more than the coaches. Can you
say Utah Cav's?
Dump CJ, and Jefferson, get a real center and a consistent shooter that plays
Shooting comes and goes. If Williams knows the problem is "no
confidence" then he needs to get the confidence and make the dang shots.
Jazz are allowing too many points. We have enough scoring. Make some trades and
get some defenders.
If you can't take it inside against the warriors then you just can't take it
inside. The Jazz have no outside game but its easier to chuck them up from out
there because no one hurts you. It's becoming more obvious why Sloan was so
frustrated. Just a bunch of weaklings. Monta is an all star and should be going.
The Warriors now officially own the Jazz.
As a Jazz fan for over 30 years,since day 1,I am really starting to question the
direction and even the future of this team.Williams I do believe will be
gone,Houston,Dallas and LA are on his radar.We won`t compete for a title anytime
soon,even if we make a 6,7,8 seed this year,SA,Dallas and LA awaits us.I`m
realistic and know we don`t have the horses to win it all,but I`d at least like
to be in the mix.We lost Boozer and Matthews,2 starters also Korver and Brewer,2
good reliable bench players,replaced by,Jefferson,Bell,Hayward,Evans and
Watson,a poor trade-off,and I won`t even mention miles....
Its like somebody flipped a switch about 20 games ago with this teams. I could
see it in their faces.I just want to know,,,, WHAT HAPPEND!!!????
Reggie Miller mentioned on telecast the other day that "playing the Jazz
was like a boxing match" when or lose you were gonna hurt.That my fellow
Jazz fans was quite a while back,ended with Harpring.We are soft,miles is now
the typical Jazz player,soft,afraid of contact on either end and more than happy
to run down the clock and be forced to clank a shot,it`s sad
Maybe the lottery is no consolation. Didn't we trade that pick for Jefferson?
Sloan would have won that game with intimidation alone.When the Jazz
play without AK, Okur and Bell and Price it is like the stars have aligned.
Okur last game he played he missed a 2 footer. Our veteran Bell is being
introduced to his shot again and the season is half over.Price is an
enregizer bunny without a shot, great dunk but no shot...ever.AK
being hurt is trying to hide under the trade radar in hopes the Jazz are so rich
they don't notice his $17M payday every year.Here is hoping that KOC
has something up his sleeve. I think maybe after the coaching change KOC may
consider a change for himself.Does anyone out there think the Jazz
are a great shooting team, with Deron, CJ, Jefferson, Bell, Price to name a few
who are stinking up the court with their shots. A really good move would be to
promote the shooting coach. Too bad they already did that, it is paying off big
time so far.This was Golden State and the days are not long past
when Jazz did not even consider them a blip on the radar....not now though
Isn't the end of games where your all-star point guard should lead the team?
Close games down the stretch should be where D-Will seals the deal and gets the
team a 'W'.
DWill appears to have done what Sloan did: quit on the team.
If Coach Dwill would get his guards to stay with quicker players--and then stay
with them himself, he might be able to design something in the middle to help
his big men out when the quick guards drive to the hoop. It is well exposed that
Nash, Ellis and anyone with a pulse is capable of breaking down the perimeter d
and driving to the hoop. Coach Dwill needs to design a defense that can at least
address this. Coach Sloan used to like guys who were absolute animals when it
came to staying with their man. Coach Dwill doesn't seem to think it's that
People used to blame coach Sloan and now???The blame should be on
the players, they are not BUYING the coach's system, what happened with the pick
and roll? what happened with the system that have worked for decades, THEY rea
not buying it!!!They think that it's old school BUT WORKED!!!Trade Okur, Elson, Miles and get someone "A" List!!!
I get so tired of hearing and 1. Can't anyone on the team make a hard foul and
make them earn their points at the line. This team lacks mental toughness and a
bench. CJ should be packaged in a trade by next week. He is not even D league
material. D-Will does not belong at the all star game. He is a poor leader.
Should trade him for a high draft pick.
Losing Matthews and Korver was a HUGE mistake.
CJ needs discipline. He was a liability in the 4th quarter.
CJs shooting percentage goes down when the paint is pack and the offense bogs
down. There have never been any 3 point plays to speak of in the
Jazz system. For the most part 3s are the last option when things go bad inside.
That was part of Sloan's deeply flawed philosophy which never
adequately adjusted for the evolution of the 3 point shot. Sloan
caused more TOs (poor transitions) by forcing the ball into packed paint than
were ever caused by long rebounds from missed 3 point shots. Besides if you
actually designed 3 point plays the percentage made would go up. Korver claimed he never had a play designed for him. How is that for great
coaching? Corbin is still learning how to manage a game. Given the
very limited resources he has I would say he is doing okay. Corbin
used very little of the flex in this game. He has done a decent job of utilizing
AJ. The Jazz run out of energy and have poor D because they do not
have enough quality depth. Fix that problem and Corbin will start
winning. They have 30 mill worth of players out right now.
It's time to start cutting players pay. They are being paid way too much for
their job performance. Anyone else in the this world would have been fired by
"since cj has been starting,the Jazz have been leading after the first
quarter" wow! have you ever won a game after the first quarter? We miss AK
and Raja who both had been playing well when injured.So far miles 3 starts,3
loses,tell you something?
3 games recently lost... what's sad is that those games could've been won with
good offensive execution in the closing minutes of the game. (kinda like what
sloan would demand from his players) last 2 minutes and all you see are
botched-up plays and hurried 3 point attempts. where have all the hard screens
and hard cuts gone? millsap and jefferson were having good games against the
warriors, and yet, all we saw were 3 point attempts by miles and williams in
last minutes of the game. geez. i wanted to point out the awful defense but it's
the new jazz; they don't believe in defense anymore!
CJ has a really goofy looking shot. Mechanically it's an absolute mess so it's
really no wonder he can be so inconsistent. The only thing he can really do is
wait for the off-season and then doing a serious revamp of his shooting motion
with Hornezec. He's pretty good off the dribble but doesn't see the passing
opportunities he creates when he does drive to the basket and misses a lot of
open guys.Al Jefferson is the most overrated player on the team.
Every time I see him take his LAME turn around push shot I feel like puking.
His help "defense" on the pick and roles actually makes things worse
because he just gets in the way creating this wild double moving screen for his
teammate to try to run around. Is anyone surprised this is the first time he's
won 30+ games in a season?
The Jazz are playing some of the worst defense I have ever seen and not just in
the 4th quarter either. The whole freakin game. I do not see how any team could
expect to win with this kind of poor defensive effort. I cannot believe this is
the kind of play the Millers are getting from this luxury tax team. With these
guys you just don't get what you pay for. Not even close.
"CJ is playing much better under Corbin"Yeah I'm not sure
I really need to say much about that but based on what I saw in the 4th quarter
I'm gonna stick with CJ being a chucker who can't consistently hit open 3s no
matter who his coach is!
I have a feeling the Jazz are going to get blown up around the trade deadline.
The front office isn't going to pay a luxury tax for a bad team. This team as it
is right now will not make the playoffs.I hate to say it but I have
a hard time believing that AK is going to finish the season in a Jazz uni.
CJ is playing much better under Corbin. Yes he should start instead
I think Corbin really likes CJ and will give him every chance to prove he can be
a go to guy. CJ has the talent, it will depend on whether or not he will work
hard enough. Time will tell, so far he's too inconsistent, but I will continue
to hope.This teams defense is terrible and unless they play Fes more I
don't see anything changing. Fes gives the perimeter player someone to cover
their backsides when they get beat off the dribble, which is most of the
time.Hopefully Corbin will evaluate and see that is the case and start
using Fes more.
CJ Great? Hee hee yeah when the Jazz needed him down the stretch he chucks 3s
goes back to old habits when his defense and driving were effective in the 3rd
quarter.CJ was simply maavelous 1-6 in the 4th quarter.
Sloan/Corbin decided lets pack the paint and give another career night to Reggie
Williams even the legendary Jeremy Lin.Ellis destroys Watson and
friends. He is an all star. The Warriors 3 point basket show in the 2nd half
is the story again tonight. The lack of Fesenko being used, Evans doing great 6
points, 6 boards and only 10 minutes.The Jazz actually played
defense in the 3rd Quarter getting a lot of steals. In the 4th, then the
Warriors knew the Jazz were not defending 3s especially on the left, so focused
on this. It worked and would have worked sooner had they elected to go with
it.So tonight 9th in the West. Dallas next week on Wed.Still the mass are happy feeling no trades, injured players back will turn the
Jazz around happily therafter and to challenge LA or SA for the World Title.Hee hee
No shooters on this team. Our only consistent shooter is a center whose career
may be over.Not to mention the terrible defense they played in the
fourth quarter. Ellis carved the defense up and they shooters didn't chuck up
bricks like CJ did.Bad loss. 5 in a row at home. Never seen that in
my lifetime thats for sure.
Their defense just fizzled at the end, they got tired. But man oh man why is it
the Suns have like 5 three point shooters, the Warriors have like 4 and the Jazz
have 1 every 5 games or so when CJ can hit. It is frustrating they lead they
whole game then blow it. Does anyone really ever expect Okur to come
back? I think his career may be done. Better start preparing for it.
Miles: AK needs to start, and CJ needs to start at the 2, Bell is the one that
needs to come off the bench.
Let's see.......Three starters out with injuries (Memo, Bell and AK) plus a
bench player in Price who plays good against the small Warriors.4 0f
5 of the starters logging over 40 minutes two nights in a row. Even Phil
Jackson would not have won this game.Other points.......Most of you
say that Jerry was one of the best coaches in basketball and he couldn't win
with this team and his system. So bring in Corbin, with no head coaching
experience and running the same system with the same players. Did any of you
think the Jazz were really going to start winning games? On paper the Jazz are
worse off now than when they lost 9 of 12 with Jerry.More....Since
CJ has been in the starting lineup, the Jazz have been leading after the first
quarter. Shows that AK should come off the bench and CJ should be starting.More....Memo if healthy should start and Millsap should be a 6th man on
this team with AK.Bell needs to be traded immediately........CJ kept us in the game in the 3rd quarter and you all complain
I have been saying all season long long that we need more shooters.BLOW THIS TEAM UP!!Nobody should be exempt from a trade if it
makes us better.Bring in Kamen to play center, he can rebound.Shooters are a dime a dozen, take your pick.We have trade assets,
expiring contracts and other options. I hope the Jazz make some moves, or it's
going to be a liong season, one I will stop paying to watch.
Maybe the Jazz are trying to become a lottery team?
I think Big Al has a curse...i mean...he only tasted one winning season...and he
was a bench player at a time...maybe he is bad luck...lol....we should have
chased david west with the boozer TPE...although...David West is a PF...at
least...millsap would be coming off the bench...leading the second unit...him
coming off the bench is a major boost...has anyone noticed this? the years
millsap came off the bench providing a spark...its like having another starting
PF...nowadays...who comes off the bench to provide low post scoring? none...low
post scoring means high percentage shots...im going to give credit to CJ for
having a good game...though the last quarter was not that good...overall he is
About one week to go Come on KOC...let's get some players. If we get much worse
we should all leave the Jazz and watch Corbin's son play for West High.
How do you like coach Williams?
I know missing shots tonight was frustrating but defense is the biggest problem.
Can anyone tell me why Milsap is in to finish games? He gives zero.
The TOs mostly come from packed paint. The poor D comes from too many minutes.
Same Song 3rd Verse.The starters logged 40 minutes. By the 4th Q
they could not play intense D. The opponents packed the paint. There
was not enough 3 point shooting to open it up. GS gambled and doubled inside.Until AK, Bell and maybe Okur get healthy enough to play effectively
this will continue to happen. It is not a lack of effort or even
talent. This team was poorly designed from the start. There was
never enough outside shooting. Sloan/KOC bet on Okur getting
healthy, Hayward shooting, and on Bell and AK staying healthy. The
Jazz a wing who can shoot and 3rd decent big so they can rotate AJ, Millsap and
?. If you add those two pieces the Jazz contend. With Hayward
starting to develop they have 4 okay wings but still lack outside shooting. They
do not have the 3rd big. I am not sure how much longer AK and Bell
will be out but this will continue until the Jazz can unpack the paint and give
some rest to the 5 starters for a 4Q push. The players played hard.
They played pretty well. They need more resources.Get a shooter.
Tough loss again. They started to look good there for a bit in that fourth
quarter.Again CJ what is your problem man? I am not a fan at all.
His shot selection is so so poor. The guy is on an island. WHO GAVE HIM THIS
GREEN LIGHT TO SHOOT THE WAY HE DOES???? Guys miss he is human , but good grief
in that fourth quarter I was coming unglued watching him continue to chuck them
up. 1 for 6. And the one he makes was a layup. Go figure..
The Jazz just aren't a very good defensive team, & it seems like the entire
league knows how to beat them now.
Anyone surprised when they read this title??Apparently with coach
Sloan, they couldnt start well and with Corbin, they cant finish. I think
statman has the best possible solution, though...
Better D + fewer TO's + more points= more points
I am officially DISGUSTED by this season. Keep DWill, Jefferson and Hayward.
Rebuild for next year to make some serious noise. Non-salvageable season for
anything worthwhile besides a first round dismissal.
Time to draft Jimmer!