As illegal immigrants from south of our border and other areas continue to
rapidly colonize the southwest for their own purpose, I wonder how people will
feel in not to many years from now as they look back at this period. Those who
could have spoke up but have muted their voices because they fear crossing the
political correctness line will be hard pressed to complain about higher taxes
and increasing crime. What about those who will be displaced by illegal
immigrants from their jobs and neighborhoods? Will they see the change as
progress or regret their silence and inaction? We don't have to just sit and
take this unlawful change. It is not wrong or immoral to enforce our laws and
protect our borders. As an American it's your privilege and your duty. Tolerance
is not complacency.
rb in murray. by the way I also have a home in Salt Lake City, so I think we're
neighbors... last time I looked, California is still part of the USA, same as
Utah, so you don't need to dis me, along with others you like to dis, because of
some border on a map.You speak as if the current law will not be
changed, start reading the news, pal. The existing law will be changed, and it
will be towards an easier path for legal immigration, fact. Bush tried. Obama
and McCain campaigned, and prior to that worked in the Senate, for different
versions of changing the immigration law. All towards making legal immigration
easier.My points in this post, and others, is that the law is
unworkable, the law is grieviously wrong, and that the poor people from Mexico
deserve our help not our gov't's boot on their neck. There are other, better
solutions to this problem than the present bad one. I'm not on the side of the
status quo. Sandstrom is wrong, wrong, wrong, don't follow him.
No surprise here, just the illegals and the radicals from LA RAZA (the race)
showing their true colors. They want to "take back" this land for
mexico, and send the rest of us packing.
Welcome to California. dave4197, the current immigration laws were
written in 1996. We don't need new laws, we need people who will stop breaking
them. The laws are not broken, they are being broken. If, by some
miracle the guest worker program goes through, it will be tied up in court for
decades, not to mention bring protesters from all over the country. You can't
give away American jobs in this country, it's unconstitutional.
so, 2bits and other rule of law ranters, you gonna support the new law? that
makes them your resident neighbors? I will. waitin' fer yer opinion...The rule of law rant, when applied mindlessly, and when applied to this
bad law, is unAmerican, period. The present immigration law / policy needs
change, and the change will be to allow easier immigration. Tune up your
tolerance folks, change is on the way.
The best lesson the illegal_immigrant community and their supporters could learn
to help them assimilating better into American society is... Understand that the
place you are going to is VERY sensitive to being subject to the
"RULE_OF_LAW".Hint... That's probably one of the biggest
reasons you want to GO THERE!So how does breaking_the_law to get
there... and breaking_the_law again every day you STAY there illegally... show
that you are the made of the right_stuff to fit in... in this culture that
highly values people policing THEMSELVES and fully accepting_in_their_core that
they are subject to the law.... And that NO_ONE... NOT_EVEN_YOU... is so special
they are not subject to the rule_of_law?It doesn't matter what the
laws in Mexico are, or what the expectations in Mexico are (where laws are more
like suggestions, and paying the police is as good as obeying the law, or you
gotta do what you gotta do to survive).When people come here
thinking that THEIR struggle trumps the law... or that obedience to the
rule_of_law is OPTIONAL (based on situational ethics)... you are on a
collision_course with_the very culture you are asking to accept and embrace you!
It is not surprising that this would now happen. The pro-illegal crowd has been
in the streets waving Mexican flags demanding their rights, putting Mexican
flags up on the flag pole above a UPSIDE down American flag, booing the American
soccer team when they played Mexico in the Coliseum in Los Angeles and the list
goes on. I support both of these Representatives in their efforts to stop this
nonsense. We need to deport illegals and enforce our immigration laws. Viva
Still Jim | 12:19 p.m.If you think this bill allows law enforcement
to go out and harass Hispanics (giving them some police power they don't already
have).... You are either totally in the dark or hyped up on propaganda. READ
THE BILL before commenting next time!
It would appear that someone is crying wolf. We cannot be sure. From personal
experience I know that the police are trying to make it difficult for hispanics,
legal or otherwise. What will happen if legislation is passed allowing them to
go out and openly harass? This does not sound like a time we should be
attemptin to allow such a thing to happen.
no one knows who sent the threats or do you?thats a slap in someone else
to the innocent face!So lets just hope it stops and they find out
who ever is doing this?Nothing but lowlife stew of hate and terror
I wouldn't be surprised if these lawmakers paid people to call and mail these
"threats" just to sensationalize and vilify the opposition.
Of course threats against lawmakers are out of order. But this law, and its
maker, promote using the gov't's boot to step on the necks of one race, of a
group of poor people, of our friends and neighbors from south of the border.
This law, and its writer and proponents don't deserve the air time and print
space they've gotten used to. Trash Sandstrom's bill now! And other
anti-immigrant proposals in Utah's legislature.Keep working on practical
solutions, like a quicker path to legal immigration, like durable ID's.
Well,it sounds like the very thing that we want to keep out of Utah and the rest
of our country is here because illegal immigration wasn't taken seriously a long
time ago. I guess we can almost call this nation Mexico 2 and look forward to
dipping down to their level of violence and street gangs
Just proves there are nuts in every group. And Arizona reminds us that on
occasion, you need to take them seriously. It is completely
understandable that passions run deep on this issue. Such ideas as cutting off
medical treatment and turning doctors into immigration law enforces as they are
proposing in Arizona is surely going to raise the stakes.But the
good people on both sides of the issue need to maintain level heads.
Immigratrion is perfectly simply and an easy issue to adhere to. The problem
has been the elites from both sides of the line ignoring the law for their own
political power and economic profit. Enforce the law. All illegals must go.
Apply for entry like other law abiding foreigners and when you get your chance
then come in and make the best of it.
"Cerebro Brillante", when translated to English doesn't mean the
literal "Brilliant Brain" as much as it means figuratively "Shiny
Brain". I'm skeptical that the originator is a native Spanish
speaker. Should have called themselves "Mente Potente"
(Powerful Mind) or "Mente Inteligente: (Intelligent Mind). At least these
rhyme and roll off the tongue....
Typical of those who don't get their way on this matter... threaten and yell
loud enough hoping they will back down... Don't do it. Stay the
course and lets get rid of the chaffe.
Had these politicians been democrats, the main stream media would have been all
over it. Blaming the tea-party and branding them as a hate group. However, when
men from the black panthers dress up in military garb and try to intimidate
white voters as they try and cast their vote; nothing was mentioned in the
mainstream media.It just goes to show the political and agenda
biased of the news organizations. It's amazing how one sided the state sponsered
media is. They had no problem pointing out any little mistake Bush made and
tried to make him sound like an idiot. Barack stutters and barely makes a
sentence, and the media praises him as the smartest president ever.At least there is one thing the media can't cover up. And that is the end
result. Fact is alot of people are hurting and are out of work. It doesn't
matter how much the media tells them that they're fine. They know exactly the
hole their in and the lack of jobs being created.2012 We Can CHANGE
this! Let's vote the rest of this regime out!
but for honest immigration a country was lostCompassion works both
ways, breaking the law breaks up families. It's time for a new honest compact.
Need anymore be said about getting these terrorist out of this country, with
prejudice? The threat by illegal terrorism is real and its time we end the act
of Sen Robles and Tony Yapais who are leading these terrorist in revolting
against the american people, the United States and the laws of this country.This is proof the importance of enforcement reform we americans must
place on illegal foreign occupation. I am american, I believe in the law, I
believe in eliminating this threat to our elected officials. I believe in
calling out the guard and volunteers to take up arms and action to enforce the
security of this nation and our homes.
@ Bajashark "I wouldn't put it past you repubs, to fabricate
something like this just to fire up your hate base"@ owlmaster2
"These two Reps probably sent the threats to themselves to get some
doing it for the attention" -- another of the standard lies of liars who
know that they are on the losing side of truth and reason. Why of
course Sandstrom and Herrod are just doing it for the attention. After all,
there's no such thing as illegal aliens. Nor is there any such thing as
unscrupulous employers of illegals, who would betray their country and
countrymen for profit. No, such things are pure fabrication on the
part of Sandstrom and Herrod -- just to get attention.
Sounds like a bit of Mexican politics is creeping up here to Utah. If you don't
like the laws their passing, just kill the politicians. We need to get illegals
out of Utah NOW
"Mormon Conservative" is directly advocating a position opposite the
teachings of the Church. He needs to start heading the teachings of the Church
today and stop following those of people who never had the authority to teach
doctrine for the Church.The interesting think to me is that some
people very bitterly claim that immigration related law enforcement always goes
after immigrants and never employers. Well, Herrod now writes a bill that is
all about employment enforcement and we hear nothing from these people about it.
I would even respect some of them claiming that it is wrong-headed
enforcement, that what we really need is to go after people doing payments under
the table, many of whom are doing so with American-born workers (as well as
legal immigrants), but the total silence is suspicious. It leads one to suspect
some of the "pro-immigrant" voices are really just anti-Republicans,
who could not care less about the immigrants, but just want to bash Republicans
so they can obtain their real goals.
I will for the time being assume that Arango is right that the person who wrote
this letter is not connected with his organization. However, I at
least had never heard of his organization. Maybe I am out of the loop, but
until they mentioned Carlos Arango I was expecting that it would be said this
was the first news of the organization that claimed to originate the email. It is possible that the people who wrote this letter chose this name
because they thought it sounded good for their two-man organization, and had no
clue that there was a more substantial organization of the same name in Chicago
run by Carlos Arango.
What are class A misdemeanors? Would this bill require that anyone stopped for
any of these have their immigration status checked? If that is so I know a way
that citizens who dislike the bill could make life extremely difficult for law
enforcement. Just get lots of people to commit class A misdemeanors, and if
they do not check your immigrant status sue.
I wonder what the chances are that this is the work of agent provocateurs? If it is such it represents the over-the-top counter-reaction to the
other side that has been so common at least since the New Yorker cartoon of Mrs.
Obama as a black militant and Mr. Obama as a Muslim.If the people
who wrote this really do believe in the sentiments they are writting then they
are way over the top. The attempts to hold the Church hostage on the question
of missionaries because it has not "come out strongly enough for the Utah
Compact" (somehow saying you endorse something is no longer strong enough)
was unwise, but it is a legal action, you can send petitions to anyone
advocating changes in visa rules. Calling for violence is another matter.I do have to admit that the number of posters on DN comment boards who
have tried to claim that the Church endorses their draconian, family-splitting,
drag parents out in the middle of the night, plans make me wander if it is true
that saying you endorse something is not endorsing it enough, but still Vargas
went too far.
Unbelieveable that some folks on this board think this is a fake. Yeah, and I
suppose having Sandstroms car vandalized twice at his home recently was also
fake. Right. Sure. Tell that to his insurance adjuster.
Sounds like a fake letter to me.
These Republican law makers have the intelligence of a half baked potato-nothing
of real value. Why do they think that the national level has done virtually
nothing. For the previous 10 years Republicans have had control of Congress and
the country and the only thing they accomplished was three wars and a economic
crisis. This immigration policy is not easy with all the various issues
involved. Why don't these law makers wake up and smell the roses?
I could well be wrong, but this does look very possibly like a fake. Guess we'll
Not surprising, really. If you don't respect immigration laws, why respect other
"Cerebro Brilliante"? Really? Somebody fell for this? This has
"FAKE" written all over it. Somebody who's paranoid about Hispanics
decided to try to get others as fired up about locking people up and kicking
people out as he is.
Why don't we talk about the unspoken declaration of war by Sandstrom?These stupid scare tactics are reprehensible. Quit telling us your lives are
in great danger. The lives that are in danger are those of the people you hate
collectively and are trying to drive out of the land of the free and the home of
owlmaster,Even if that were the truth, illegal immigrants are still
I find it interesting that they are signaling out "Utah" as being a
racist when there are so many of the different states who are also working on
laws to counter illegales,some who have laws that are harder then Az. was trying
These two Reps probably sent the threats to themselves to get some press.They are both puppets of the extreme right and you can't put anything past
them in what they will do for attention.
im thinking of the recent Iranian chants to behead the folks behind their
civilians outbursts. Behead? typical hyper reaction from despots who tolerate
nobody else's control. the 'rampup' of violence around the planet is
facilitated by the easy communication of the hysteria from one psychotic to the
next. god save us!
Just like they do in their own country, they threaten to kill people who make
laws they don't like. It's time for ICE to do their job. First they try to
black-male the LDS Church to do what they want and not threats of violence. I
can tell you one thing, I protect my family, friends and freedom to the death if
I wouldn't put it past you repubs, to fabricate something like this just to fire
up your hate base...We don't believe your racist rants and acussations nor
should anyone with a brain.Where have we seen these types of acussations
before? If anyone does not recognize them, they are a tactic often used to
create anxiety and confusion and to foment hate...a tactic used by terrorists.
Sure sounds like it meets the definition of a "terroristic threat"
worthy of investigation and prosecution by the feds. I am sure that Obama's
crack Attorney General, Eric Holder, will be right on this case and enforce our
laws.I look forward to seeing that report in the paper...someday.
Seems that the Aztlan crowd is running up their rhetoric trying to beat the
cerveza cans of war. While I can see some narcotrafficante lowlife doing this, I
suspect is more along the lines of a high school art project or civics project.
Why yes, Javier (or LaMar), we CAN trace that email you sent!Making
Sandstrom a martyr is a terrifying prospect.
"The e-mail says it's from a group called the United Front for Defense of
Immigrants."We already have the ACLU, we don't need this
organization using up more resources.Again the issue is illegal
immigrants. Is that getting lossed in the translation? These people really need
a better education, they're struggling to understand legal and illegal.Maybe instead of sending emails implying or threatening death, why don't they
try going to school or starting up a legitimate business?This is the
future of the United States if illegals gain amnesty and these radical groups
are allowed to bully their way in. I'm sure barack has everything under
control. Look at the economy and the tremendous growth under his taxspendlimus.
It's just creating green jobs left and right. So much, that the cost of gas has
dropped. Oh wait a minute it has risen 10 cents everyweek for a few months
now.Yes we can! Yes we can!
Let's see.... blackmail against the L.D.S. church by a latino activist, death
threats to elected leaders by illegal alien advocates. I'm starting to see a
pattern.. The real danger that illegals represent is starting to show, wake up
America or you will become just like the countries whose values these people
embrace. This should be enough impetus to show our legislators which way they
should vote. Illegal will always be illegal. We cannot ignore the problem
that was suppose to read "RAMPING" up the rhetoric!
"received possible death threats." It's either a straight
out DEATH threat or it isn't. This was an implied threat of violence in the
letter (at least according to the article) and actual violence with the
vandalism. But a DEATH threat?? Not exactly. Talk about tamping up the rhetoric!
I hope they find those punks and make them serve out there sentences while
wearing Ronald Reagan T-shirts. God Bless America!
All illegal aliens are, by very definition, criminals to begin with. The fact
that they might make threats against those that would try to enforce laws
against them is not at all surprising. It is in perfect character. They don't
believe they should have to obey other laws. Why would this be any different?
Of-course, no civilized person would condone violence, or threats of violence of
any kind. Every reasonable effort should be made to find those responsible and
punish them to the fullest extent of the law.Having said that, I
think it is important not to generalize this isolated act to a group of people.
We need only remember the recent tradgedy of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
to understand this point. Several liberal pundits blamed this attack on the
"tea-party" and radical right conservatives. Clearly, 22-year-old
Jared Lee Loughner acted on his own and does not represent the tea-party any
more than I do.We must have integrity in our public discourse and be
consistent in our principles. Posters here and others who lay the blame for the
recent death threat against Sandstrom at the feet of any group or nationality
are just as wrong as the liberal groups in the Giffords tradgedy. It
should also be pointed out that public officials, particularly city counsel
members and mayors receive death threats routinely. These are isolated and
abitrary acts by looney bins or worse. They do not represent the groups they
purport to support.
What part of the law do the Latino community and illegal immigrants not
understand? As a legal immigrant,who has recently become a U.S. citizen, we
subscribed to this country's laws to gain our status.
These type of threats of violence seem to work in Mexico and Cuba... why not try
them here?Maybe we can bring the cartel violence across the border
from Mexico right here to Utah!Do we really want to run OUR
political process the way they do in Mexico???Ever noticed how the
violent and divisive rhetoric gets turned up whenever you try to touch ILLEGAL
immigration? Why is that??? It happened in Arizona, and now it's happening
From listening to media outlets, I thought only the "right-wing" made
threats to silence opposition. I guess not.
They should not worry, their Mormon's and Republican's,Jesus will protect them,
it's long overdue to rid Utah of all those illegal's anyway, that's my view,
even though these 2 Utah state lawmakers backing bills that would fight illegal
immigration say they've received possible death threats. Republican Rep.
Stephen Sandstrom of Orem says the Utah Highway Patrol is investigating an
e-mail sent Sunday that includes references to assassination and violent
revolution. It includes images of Che Guevara and an AK-47 and decries the
"racist" state of Utah. YES IT'S TIME to report ans then deport these
illegal's in Utah Reps. Chris Herrod, and Stephen Sandstrom, don't let no one
push you around, your both doing the right thing.