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Published: Saturday, Feb. 12 2011 12:18 a.m. MST

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Watch Dog
Provo, UT

No need to choose. The gospel suggests that obeying and following the law is the thing to do. It also suggests that we cannot have mercy, justice without accountability.

We are blessed to live in a country where we have the ability to change the law. Either we need to change it, or obey it. There is no other way. Ignoring the violations of law is NOT one of those ways.

CJ
Murray, UT

Regardless of who did or didn't sign the compact one fact is very plain and simple. You can either say you believe in obeying and sustaining the law or you don't. You can't say "obey all the laws except those that apply to immigration". If you say that then you must make an exception for the guy who believes that tax laws are unconstitutional and refuses to pay taxes.
It makes no sense that a guy who isn't current on his child support is denied a temple recommend but an illegal immigrant who breaks into the country and steals an ID from a child, steals a job from an American ,and then loots the state and national treasuries can get one without even being asked his legal status. You can try to make that shoe fit in name of "compassion" but it doesn't work. Where is the compassion for the children of prisoners at point of the mountain who likewise didn't do anything? This whole issue is a simple matter of enforcing the law equally.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

Elder Oaks signed as an individual, not for the LDS church, they instead released their own policy statement. Like the Catholic church, they asked people to come legally and to follow the laws.

If more workers refueled a recovery, our 100,000 Utahns out of work would give us a huge growth spurt.

So many excuses not to follow the law. The compact is a call for us to open our borders and destroy our constitution. The illegal immigration-amnesty chain has been around for 25 years. If we don't get a handle on it, we are going to lose the country.

No society can exist unless the laws are respected.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

Allowing the Sandstrom crowd to prevail in Utah is the moral equivalent of siding with the rise of the islamic brotherhood and sharia law in the Middle East. Such thinking is a threat to all of us who appreciate the freedoms and opportunities of modern society.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

There was a time in Idaho when it was illegal for Mormons to vote, hold government office or even serve on a jury. Other discriminatory laws against Mormons remained part of the Idaho constitution until all were rescinded in 1982.

Lucky for we Mormons in Idaho at the time there was no stiff opposition stuck on the absolutism of past legalities: no taunting like "What is it you don't understand about the law?"

brw1
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ajax: Yeah, because being religiously bigoted is exactly the same as enforcing an immigration law.

Mary E Petty
Sandy, UT

Big Question: Who side would you be on if you had lived during the American Revolution? Beginning with the Boston Tea Party in 1773, would you have supported bad law and been a Tory/Loyalist, loyal to the British Crown during the ensuing War for Freedom in the American Colonies, or would you have broken bad law as a Sons of Liberty and actively fought as a Patriot to establish law that reflected Deity's Laws?

And so it is with immigration and its bad law. Whose side are you on?

Tom
Cottonwood Heights, UT

No one is for illegal immigration. What people who support the Utah compact are saying is that just as our tax laws are broken, our immigration laws are broken also. Both need to be fixed so that they work better and fairer. One example of the broken nature of our immigration law is that there are around 3 million U.S. Citizens who are married to undocumented people. There is no path way for those people to change their status. The only option is for the undocumented individual to return to their home country and be barred from reentering the U.S for ten years. This is an example of the COMPACT talking about necessarily breaking up families. The law could easily be changed to remove the ten year bar and allow the spouse to return to their country and work on changing their status. I know that some will say their is no Mercie for law breakers but many, if not most of these spouses where brought her as children.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

My2Cents: you do NOT speak for the citizens of Utah.

We need to quit declaring people "illegal". Not ONE of your kind, My2Cents, would bother checking the immigration status of a non-white person.

nyca411
Menlo Park, CA

I disagree with the statement in this article that "immigration policy is a federal matter, not a state issue."

Immigration policy is ALSO a "state issue" because each state uses state taxes to cover the costs of providing education, health care, and other community resources to illegals. States are not reimbursed by the federal government for these costs!

Which is why states with the highest illegal immigration levels are b*r*o*k*e!!

States have every right to, and must, play a key role in immigration policy, and step in where the Feds fail to do their job.

California Bob
Valley Springs, CA

I don't know how Utah treats an undocumented worker in its state. It is a felony to remain in the US without documentation to lawfully be in this country. I don't know what to make of the Utah Compact other than it appears to be a 'feel good' resolution. But if the intent to to encourage Utah residents to ignore people who are in the state without documentation, its framers should amend it. The resolution should state that all those residing in Utah should obey the law or challenge it in court or in the legislature.
The City of San Francisco says it will NOT turn over those in the city illegally to federal immigration officials. San Francisco is a sanctuary city. My concern is that Utah will become a sanctuary state if officials sworn to uphold the law are encouraged to, like San Francisco, look the other way when they knowingly confront illegal immigrants.

Texan
Bedford, TX

I am LDS & I do NOT support the pact or anything like it but then I live in a border state with 2 million illegals and the multitude of problems that we have to deal with because of them being here. Because enforcing tough immigration laws can break up families I am supposed to give them a pass? I don't think so. Those who exercised their free agency to break the law put their families at risk not me or my state. If I have to be law abiding they should be as well. You can't ask people to be obedient to the law and at the same time state let some of them stay because their families will be split up just because they chose to commit breaking and entering by coming to this country illegally. I notice the states mentioned looking at the pact are not border states; convenient since they havent got as large a problem as those along the border.

runwasatch
Ogden, UT

I have yet to find a single source, other than members of this comment board, of Elder Oaks signing the compact. The Church has supported it, but there is no record of Elder Oaks signing the compact...surely a newsworthy occurance IF it acutally happened...

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

The Church has taken no such stand on Illegal Immigration.....if it were so, we would have heard it from the pulpit!

Until then I suggest those who seem to think otherwise refrain from such lies as the Church supports the Compact and doesn't support honoring and sustaining the law.....including SB70!

Legal?
Saint George, UT

How do we tell some of our needy citizens that their social programs are facing extinction because the money has been spent on illegals.

If families don't want to be split up, then all of you go back to Mexico or wherever. Come legally or don't come. I couldn't go to other countries and get away with what you do here.

Utah legislators...listen to the voice of reason. Stop inviting illegals here. We can't afford them, don't want their gangs, don't want our schools crowded by their rough kids, don't want their poor drivers. They need to fix their own country and stop ruining ours.

IMMIGRATE LEGALLY!

Pop's in AZ
Chandler, AZ

"The Utah Compact demonstrated to the nation that there is an alternative to Arizona-style, enforcement-only punitive legislation," said Paul Mero, president of the Sutherland Institute, a conservative Utah-based think tank." Stop bad-mouthing your Mormon neighbor: we have more crud to put up with here than you can imagine.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

Our immigration laws are not bad, but those breaking them are.

All countries have immigration laws, and the US has some of the most liberal. Over 1 million per year come here legally, more than the anywhere else in the world since 2006.

It's not about bad laws or any other excuses, it's about forcing people to obey the law. Lack of enforcement breeds bad behavior.

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