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Published: Saturday, Feb. 12 2011 12:18 a.m. MST

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JBrady
Murray, Ut

Pro-illegal-open border groups are using each others propaganda material? Amazing.

It's handled in civil courts, because that's who handles deportations. It does not take away the fact that it's a crime. Nor does it dismiss the fact that the people doing it are committing multiple felonies by working, using stolen id's lying on forms etc.

Do you really think Americans are that stupid?

LuVePacifica
WestValleyCity, Utah

lets get this problem solved now.
were in a nation of everyones voices of color

Mary E Petty
Sandy, UT

This is great news. My only hope is that Utah may be more of a leader than in words-only, and pass good law in 2011, reflecting the wisdom, the compassion, and the humanitarianism of the Utah Compact that is so needed to make right, the bad that besets us now.

My2Cents
Kearns, UT

The Utah Coalition should all be arrested as terrorist. The citizens of Utah see this coalition for what it is and we do not support it at all. This coalition is nothing more than an organized group of businesses who are criminally employing illegal aliens and illegal foreign nationals. We are not talking about immigrant who have papers and documents, this coalition has formed itself to promote criminal occupation by illegal foreign nationals.

Our legislators who are business owners with conflicts of interest to legal immigration are using this coalition as a means to bury their heads to hide from the truth. These coalitions are nothing more than organized Antillean employers who are exploiting and keeping the unemployed americans out of jobs. With unemployment at 17%, the real number, we can no longer tolerate the impunity that business is violating all federal labor laws.

CJ
Murray, UT

Stupidity is like a virus,, it spreads. Now we are going to have a CON PACT in other states? This is nothing but open border amnesty hacks doing their usual self serving re-definition of "compassion" to benefit those they want to exploit to the detriment of American citizens who have a right to be here. Maybe they can get Robles and Yapass to come and help them set up a "work permit" to allow illegals in their states to break the law until they can change the law to their liking.

Timj
South Jordan, UT

If you're LDS, you may be interested in knowing that Elder Oaks signed the Utah Compact, and the LDS church supports the Compact.

It's a reasonable response to xenophobic hysteria. Immigration is way down due to the recession. Don't make immigrants your scapegoat.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

The two sides on this issue seem so hung up on what to do about the "rule of law" when they both need to back up and look at that law. Why did we start making people illegal? It wasn't because of population control. It was the unfounded fear of job loss by those who don't understand basic economics and the natural fear of "different" people by all of us.

Let's undo our mistake by broadening the irrational and cruelly strict immigration quotas. Otherwise we are stuck trying to select the better of two virtues, enforcement and compassion. Choose both. Streamline the visa process.

fanUVU
Orem, UT

Illegal aliens are just that: Illegal. However, having seen firsthand the unintended consequences of the AZ law, I support the compact as a first step to a comrehensive solution, whatever that may be.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

If idealism isn't enough to justify fixing the visa bottleneck, try practicality. Having endured a great recession and facing a baby boom retirement crisis in medicare and social security, lets balance our economy by inviting the guest workers we want instead of forcing them to self select through illegal entry.

This policy kills eight birds with one stone:

1. Less pressure for illegal entry means that the Border Patrol can focus more on guns, drugs, and general security.

2. More workers to fuel our recovery.

3. More contributors to Social Security and Medicare.

4. More workers we didn't have to pay to raise and educate as children.

5. Less incentive for identity fraud.

6. Less family separation as temporary workers may cross freely, including those that choose to retire back home.

7. More stability in Mexico as our growing tide of prosperity also lifts their economy and reduces the enticement for desperate workers to resort to the drug trade.

8. Fewer victims for the drug cartels and smugglers to feed on.

If idealism doesn't inspire you, try selfish practicality.

Utah Joe
murray, utah

Legislation should reflect the values of the community. I'm grateful that the Utah Compact has reminded us of these values. Now it's up to our legislators to do the right thing.

kemitc
Nashville, TN

Timj I am LDS and just because Elder Oaks signed it doesn't make it the right thing to do. Don't follow like a blind sheep just because the Church want's it. It's not right for this Country or UT not to mention it's unfair to the immigrants who followed the law and did the right thing.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Utah proposal catching on. . ."

Not in border states, it's not. New Mexico's new governor just enacted Arizona's approach by executive order.

Illegal immigration is recognized along the border as an emergency, national security issue, requiring meaningful emergency action.

Utah has elected the head-in-sand approach.

Iillegal immigration already has, and will continue to degrade personal and public security in our state, until we recognize and deal with the threat.

Neither endless hand wringing over the consequences to families of their own illegal acts, nor symbolic signings of meaningless compacts, actually addresses the issue.

Utah's politicians should begin complying with their oaths of office and adopt both Arizona and the New Mexico [legislative and executive] solutions.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The "Compact" is a bad solution to a big problem.

It attempts to provide incentives for illegals to come and remain here, at the time when we should be doing the opposite to help secure the border.

The only solution to the immigration problem is for people who want to come to the U.S. to follow our laws. Do that and they are welcome. Anything else is unacceptable, and anyone (U.S. citizen or otherwise) who undermines our immigration process should be prosecuted.

lawenforcementfromAZ
Glendale, AZ

With over 30 years of law enforcement experinece, it seem reasonable to me that when you either disregard existing laws or weaken them, there are consequences. The consequences will be continued illegal immigration, jobs that should be for lawful US citizens are given to those here illegally, and the criminal illegal aliens element will continue to be significantly higher than lawful US Citizens.

And for those that don't pay attention to what it costs for illegal immigrants, in LA County taxpayers pony over a billion dollars a year, and state taxpayers "contribute" over 6 billion dollars. And we wonder why California is 26 billion dollars in the hole?

Proud to be American
West Jordan, UT

I am 100% in favor of Senator Sandstrom's illegal immigration bill. I am also in favor of the basic concepts of the Utah Compact.

The two are totally different. The Utah Compact is about immigration and treating people with respect that are trying to do things the right way.

Illegal immigration is a totally different story, I want illegals out of Utah yesterday!

I like the "family" value ploy in the Utah Compact. Guess what? I totally agree that families should not be separated. If you are here illegally as a family, then the whole family should be deported.

AZ Resident
mesa, az

Way to go Utah and those following their lead. Now AZ and NM can give the illegals a going away party as they will now flood into your state. This will give our state a chance to recover from the devastation caused to our welfare system, not to mention the crime we have endured.

Mayfair
City, Ut

Timj mentions:

"If you're LDS, you may be interested in knowing that Elder Oaks signed the Utah Compact, and the LDS church supports the Compact."

And he also mentions "xenophobic hysteria".

I know many active LDS who let the Revelation on the blacks and the Priesthood become their "line in the sand"--the issue which they decided to separate themselves from the LDS Church because they DID NOT AGREE with it.

Same goes for many LDS who think the Church is off base and out of line for speaking out against Gay marriage.

MY QUESTION: Are there active members of the LDS Church today who are going to let the legal/illegal divide be their "line in the sand"?

Will they hold to their "xenophobic hysteria",(clamoring for "follow the law", "deport all illegals", "no exceptions, no excuses, no more tax money wasted on illegals"), and in so doing, go against their Church--who supports a more patient, compassionate view such as the Utah Compact?

I am just really curious--if it came to push or shove, which would you choose?

Your strongly held views and opinions, or the Church's?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I am just really curious--if it came to push or shove, which would you choose?"

No need to choose. The approaches are not incompatible. One says respect the law. The other urges respect for the humanity of lawbreakers.

Why would compliance with both require hard choices?

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

I'm LDS and disagree with Oaks and 100% agree with Sandstrom.

Kathy.
Provo, Ut

procuradorfiscal I agree with your post. Give them a blanket, pillow, snack and water on their way home. Then give the fast food job to a high school or college student.

Remove all incentives for social security theft, identity theft and drug smuggling.

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