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Brad Rock: Tyrone Corbin's Jazz must include coexisting with Deron Williams

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  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    For someone you seem to idolize so much, Rock, you end up calling him a liar?!

    No so many words, but you certainly imply Jerry's words are not truthful.

    The man was tired ... three years beyond normal retirement age.

    He did all he could personally do for this team and the Jazz organization as a whole.

    Let him retire in peace, for heaven's sake.

    Give Ty the benefit of a doubt.

    Quit implying that Williams has more pull than he has.

    Certainly D Will has a heck-of-a lot more to do with the future of the Jazz than Sloan.

    What did you expect; that Williams would retire before Jerry and Phil.

    Grow up, media.

    I can't wait till all this hellabaloo is over and we can look to the playoffs.

  • FlatlanderCougar Doniphan, NE
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    "Must co-exist with Williams........." Must? Really? Boy that is the equivalent of nothingness in TEAM play that will win a championship. No player is EVER bigger than the TEAM! And the team includes the Coach!!!...It's a perfect example of the inmates in control of the asylum and that SOME players really believe they transcend the game itself!
    You can bet the "Stockton to Malone" era is forever OVER!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Go and look at the photo of D-Will with Jerry in the background. Look at Jerry's face - that look of disbelief. For the players to lose a game that was winable and should have been won, that was practically "thrown away" was enough to push Sloan over the edge, to say to himself, I can't take this c__p anymore! He had had enough of these primadonas who collect their millions of $'s (note that I did not say earned) and do not perform to the level they should or are expected to perform. I think Sloan thought, "I'm done, I've had enough"! After he slept on it, nothing changed, so he resigned.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    Feb. 11, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    @ gameon. Really weak argument. O'brien, Pacers, fired because he wanted to only play veterans and win now supposedly. They hire a new coach who plays the young guys and they win 4 out 5 and are back in the playoff mix. To say that it is all on the players is false. How do you explain the Jazz losing the first quarter game after game and no real changes to the starting line up? Jerry controls the play calling, rotations,starting line-ups, a player's time etc. I'm not saying it's all on Jerry, just that D-will is a lot like Jerry, but don't tell me it's all on the players and Jerry is exempt. Please!!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    The ultimate problem leading to Sloan's demise? Guaranteed long term contracts. Players don't have to prove themselves, nor try hard. They whine, they don't play injured (where they used to in the past). They are not as dedicated. They only follow the money which is excessive. College ball is a far funner to watch and more pure game, but it too is being ruined by money.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    Whatever Sloan was tired of dealing with it's a shame those people didn't go and Sloan stay. It's a shame he wasn't allowed to leave when HE wanted to.

    As the DesNews reported yesterday, Sloan had lost 1% of the team. That 1% had better watch out as the 99% can't be all that enthused about this. DWill is as good as gone now, and there's not much Greg Miller's checkbook or Kevin O'Connor can do about that now.

  • Outraged Centerville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    i'm not on Williams because of Sloan leaving but I don't like hiem beacuse he's the self appointed leaders who isn't a leader and is the reason we're losing. put blame where the blame belongs. Know it all above is right, take his name off the back of his jersey and put Loser Like Boozer on it. gte rid of him and then is doesn't matter whether it's Sloan or Williams, they are both gone and maybe the next leader can get the job done!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Let's be clear that Williams has not made a statement. Everything regarding William's role is conjecture.

    I appreciate that all parties have not addressed this in the media beyond the press conference. No players telling ESPN that play calling is to blame for losses, no coach blaming management, and no sound-bites from managment regarding player effort and loyalty.

    As far as we know Sloan decided it was time to leave basketball. He may be losing his vision, may want to spend time with grandkids, or may be sick of flying 100,000 miles a year. He may just be tired of addressing the same problems for 25 years (how many thousands of times have I told guys to get in the gym?)

    Best wishes to Sloan. Hope he stops by and watches a game sometime.

  • Cowboy Joe Encampment, WY
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    CP3 is looking better everyday. DWill has never been a true leader, and can't lead his team to victory over the elite teams consistently.

    CP3 on the Jazz would have been a contender. Dwill on the Hornets would have been lottery bound.

    Sloan's biggest mistake cost him his job.

    Go Jazz, Go Jerry, Go Dwill to Dallas, and Bring on CP3

  • know-it-all Centerville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    To; jazzer | 11:24 a.m. Feb. 11, 2011
    South Jordan, UT

    that's what needs to happen, Williams leaves town. he's the problem not the solution. He can't win and blames Sloan or doesn't want anyone to say anything to him about his lack of effort. This isn't rec ball where the mother needs to defend her little boy from the coach yelling at him. Williams will never amount to anything, he's too soft and not a winner, nor a leader. He'll casue problems where ever he goes, he's a role player at best, that way he can ride on others coattails. Loser like Bozzer should be printed on his jersey.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Jerry and Deron are probably just too much alike. Not in philosophy, but personality. So they butted heads. So what. It's bound to happen with two firey guys and I wouldn't have either of them any other way. Remember how Jerry and Karl butted heads? NO player is going to push Jerry around. He had already been thinking about leaving. He's 68 and tired of the grind. Who could blame him? Maybe it took Deron pushing back to make Jerry realize it was time.

    Don't alienate Deron by blaming him for this. He wants to win and maybe let his emotions get the best of him at times. But none of us were in the locker room. Let's stop the finger pointing and play some ball. That's what Jerry would want.

  • game on Centerville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    RE;Dr Truth | 11:01 a.m. Feb. 11, 2011
    SLC, Ut

    get real, if Williams wants to win, then Williams needs to step up. They are losing because the players aren't getting it done; they are losing the games, not the coaches or management! That blame it on the owners and/or the management is hog wash, it's the player's lack of effort or just plain lack of talent that losses game. These guys are spoiled little losers; if you lose, get up dust yourselves off and go win some, dont blame the coach for raising his voice at you. Be a MAN, buck up, or go buy a shirt and something pink. Any athlete who has ever played the game knows this, those that haven't played and know nothing about the game will feel sorry for the players, it's their own fault they're losing! Grow up!

  • jazzer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    Why is everyone hating on D-will? You do realize we will never know the truth and so pretty much everytime you bash dwill is just making him want to leave utah. quit bashing d will Jazz fans.

  • klepsydra Longmont, CO
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    It will be interesting to see what changes Ty makes as the season progresses. My guess is he makes zero changes until after all star weekend and once he does make changes they will be very minor and hard for most of us to notice.

    The substitution patterns will be the first thing to change, starting rolls probably the last. I could see Fes playing more minutes, CJ could go either way.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    @Madden...so you would just roll over and let a player walk over you while management sticks their head in the sand. You dude...have no traceable connection, ressemblance, reflection, or any possible corralation other than possibly by chance that you chose your user name to emulate a certain well known NFL coach...which with your remark...really falls totally flat. I don't care how good a player is or how much he makes. If you havn't got Management backing it's coaches even a maverick 5 star player is going to get you nowhere real fast. Corbin better watch his back and keep a tight rein on his stable.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    Feb. 11, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Let's see if I got this right...all the Sloan lovers are upset at Williams for wanting to win, being hard headed, stubborn, wanting it his way, and not settling for anything less than winning. HELLO, isn't that JERRY?? Now you want to run Williams out of town because he wants to win? Yeah, let's trade him for someone like Boozer, who wants the money and doesn't care about winning. To the sloanaholics, the Jazz weren't winning and Jerry didn't want to fight any longer to have it his way.

    Let's support D-Will in that he wants more than just a team that exits the playoffs in the first round!! Maybe, just maybe, he will get the Jazz to be more than just being content with being good??

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    I think it is totally unfair to dump this on DWill or management.

    Sloan quit on his terms, his way. He decided when and how to quit.

    Millers just signed a new contract. If they wanted Jerry out they would have told him that they would review the contract at the end of the year. Losing Jerry in the middle of a year is a PR disaster for them. They are not that dumb.

    1. Things were not going well.
    2. This team was not going to beat SA, LA, DAL or OKC in the playoffs this year.
    3. Next year is a lock out.
    4. The year after that the Jazz may have to break in a new PG.

    Sloan knew it was best to hand things to Corbin now. Ditto for Phil. They did what was best for the team and also Corbin.

    Neither were willing or maybe even able to make the adjustments that have to be made.

    Sloan had to retire sometime. I wish it were at the end of a championship season. That was not going to happen anytime soon and Sloan knew it.

    In a strange way Jerry did what was best.

  • Gdot-aka-whitelightning Roberts Ranch, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    haha. CJ. haha. haha.

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    While I think Jerry has done more for this team than ANY of the players ever have or could, I think it is time for a change. As the old adage goes: You can't keep doing the same thing, the exact same way, and expect to get different results. The Jazz ownership has changed, it was time to change the coaching staff too. The Jazz are in good hands, and now it's up to Coach Corbin and the players to move on.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Way too many pathetic fans whining about Williams. All he has done in his time here is work hard, play hard, and win as much as anyone else in Jazz history. So the Jazz don't get past the Lakers in the conference finals...the old Jazz couldn't get past the Bulls. Is one round of the playoffs really that different if you come up short?

    Just look at the Suns, they are a Jazz clone. Owner won't spend much extra money, they end up a player short, toss in some bad luck and that = no titles. Yet you don't anyone in Phoenix crucify Steve Nash. They realize the stars must align for a title to come to any team outside of LA and Boston.

    Williams is a great Jazz player, and some of you foolish fans want to run him out of town...give me a break.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    I for one will not miss Jerry. Now finally CJ will get his minutes and will become the superstar that he is. Go Ty!!!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Management pretty much Barnie Fife'd or Ensign Parker'd this one. Player's regardless of how good they are or how much they make should never be allowed to second guess or undercut a coach or for that matter be allowed to backdoor themselves behind the coach's back. Jazz Management really blew this one. Sloan's credential's and Hall of Fame induction alone should carry a heck of a lot more weight than any player in the NBA. JAZZ management definitely has egg on it's face. They're going to have to live with it for quite some time. Jerry deserved much better than this. He paid his dues.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    I have mixed feelings about the stories being told.

    For Sloan to quit mid-season tells you that he was tired, tired of players not responding and not doing there job, so he felt like he was not doing his job, I get that.

    I dont have a problem with Sloan stepping down, I have a problem with the terms of how it all transpired.

    I think Deron has lost some fans due to the current rumors. We are all human, we all make mistakes but lets get one thing straight here, no one player is bigger than the game, and I don't care who you are or who you think you are, this Jazz team will be ran as a team.

    It is sad to see the direction the league has gone with players thinking that they are bigger than the team they play for.

    I would rather root for a team that has team chemistry then a team of 2 or 3 guys with blown up egos that think that they are Gods gift to basketball.

    Stay focused Jazz, lets unite and play as a team.

    Lets go Jazz!

  • ap south jordan, utah
    Feb. 11, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    This is more than Sloan just being tired. What is not being acknowledged is Phil J. backed him by also resigning. Phil has been waiting for Sloans job for years. This is about a spoiled basketball star who doesn't want to be coached, and Sloan had enough. These players think they are bigger than life. T

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    Corbin should study the way Dave Rose handles his relationship with Jimmer. That's not to say that Jimmer is difficult to deal with. All I intend to say is that Dave Rose is a mastermind in dealing with stars and relationships and winners. He's put BYU on the map nationally and I see this program becoming the Jazz of the NCAA.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    So that I'm not misconscrued...I'm not saying that Sloan shouldn't retire and that changes shouldn't be made... It's the way it has happened...and management is supposed to have been closely but firmly in control. If Sloan had troubles with management then it should have happened differently then it went down yesterday. Management does not appear to be in control. Either management has faith in how a coach deals with the intrical problems with the team and each player or they don't. In order for coaches to concentrate on doing their jobs they need to know that management supports them. Otherwise it's a free for all as to who is in control.

    Scoobie

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    So the sloan lovers are now showing their true colors.
    Priceless.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    Sloan said many times, he may wake up and say I've had enough and it happened just that fast. I do think he has looked tired and I think he has just got tired of pushing and fighting to try to get these players to play harder and fight to win. I can see an argument with DWill pushing things over the top and helping him just say I've had enough.
    Corbin probably is the best man for the job, it will probably be as smooth a transition as one could hope for with Corbin having learned his trade from Sloan. I hope he does make some changes and adjusts things. I know Sloan ruled and things were done his way , so I'm not sure what differences Corbin could have in mind but I hope there are some.
    I hope the 3 pt shot is used more and I hope certain players get more playing time.
    IT WILL BE INTERESTING.

  • Outraged Centerville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    The Jazz are losers because of guys like Williams, guys who can't step up and win, they cry and blame someone else for their losing record or they get a sore foot or finger, just plain losers. Get rid of HIM. Cry baby. Sloan should take him to the wood shade, have a man to man talk, then come back and win a championship, that's the only way Williams will even win, riding someone else's coattail. Hasn't the guts or leadership to win himself. He's a visitor to this city and he's worn out his welcome, he's nothing but an outsider, a want-a-be.

  • game on Centerville, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Williams is another clone to Boozer, both losers. if it weren't for basketball he'd be pumping gas somewhere. I'll not support the Jazz as long as he's here. If I found out later the Miller boy supported Williams so it would be more his little empirw, I'll not support then ever. Our next generation are a bunch of babies, botht he owners and the players. Neither have contributed a thing!!!!

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Jerry and Phil just like Stockton to Malone. Thanks Jerry and Phil. I will not miss no timeout When a player is hot take him out. When someone is playing bad leave him in. Time to turn the page. New coach i hope different players attitude. Different line up's more Evans less CJ.

  • John C. King Layton, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    I think everyone has missed the real reason for Sloan's retirement-Dick Bavetta was an official at Wednesday nights game, and Jerry finally realized, almost 13 years after Bavetta blew those calls in the '98 finals, he couldn't outlast Dick, and gave up.

    Question answers-

    (1) D WIll didn't fire Jerry. But the current culture of NBA players wore Jerry down. D Will and others say it's about championships, but they take max contracts and cripple their owners ability to build a championship team. For example, has D Will ever made the connection between his 10 million dollar raise and the departure of Ronnie Brewer (which he complained about)? John Stockton looms larger and larger in retirement.
    Today's player attitudes are not just why Jerry left, but why there will not be an NBA season in 2011-2012. And without Jerry Sloan, I won't miss it nearly as much.

    (2) When Jerry thinks it's time for him to retire-it is.

    (3) Ty will do as well as anyone can under the current conditions.

  • Booyatzee Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    D-Will = DIVA!

    an he gives up way to often, go back and watch the last 1:10 of wed. nights game. he committed 3 turnovers and blamed his team mates for them.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Feb. 11, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    The local writers can't be entirely truthful. They get their credentials pulled if they go to far.

  • UnKnown85 tooele, ut
    Feb. 11, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    1. They are making that perfectly clear, we will never know if Williams truly was the reason for Sloan to leave. I honestly dont think so, but if he was who would gain anything from splattering it on the news? Something had to happen that made him change his mind about a career of 20+ years over night.
    2. It might have been time for him to retire, yes, but who leaves the team midseason? Something is just wrong with the way he went out.
    3. I guess when you have to find a coach that quickly, yes it was.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    Feb. 11, 2011 5:42 a.m.

    Coach Sloan has said for years that Williams is different than Stockton in that Williams wants to call plays going up the court. Williams is also the team's captain. He would be the one to stand up to Sloan in the locker room or on the court, and usually I think Williams has done this respectfully and with the team in mind. Lately, with Williams playing more hurt than usual and the team really struggling, both men became very frustrated. Good things often end poorly. Down the stretch, I think Corbin should rest Williams more and play Watson a few more minutes a game. Go Jazz!

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Feb. 11, 2011 2:56 a.m.

    Jerry just look tired during the last 20 games or so. I think the grind and age finally caught up to him.

    Though I would have preferred an exit more befitting his tenure with the Jazz, t was his decision to make. I for one wish him well, along with a long and happy life.

    Best wishes Coach Sloan.

  • Mitchell_12 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 1:47 a.m.

    1) No... Sloan always had players he didn't get along with. It's just part of the business.

    2) I think it was time for him to go. The game has changed to much.

    3) YES! Sloan was a great coach, very smart when it came to the game of basketball... why not have someone that learned from a hall of fame coach and be able to include his ideas with his. Great move I think.

    Why is everyone talking about who's team this is going to be! Williams, Ty Corbin, Millers? I ask why can't it just be a team? Deron I'm sure has good things he'd like to do and I'm just Ty has good idea's also. Let's just mix them into one.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2011 1:30 a.m.

    Hey Rock.. When you have concrete evidence, let me know.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 11, 2011 12:28 a.m.

    It think it is very foolish to believe Williams is capable of getting Sloan fired. They may have disagreed but Sloan disagreed with all of his players at some point in time.

    Further, there are no guarantees that DWill would stay with or without Sloan as coach. There has to be more to this than the losing streak. Maybe some trade decision that Sloan disagreed with.

    The media are making DWill as scapegoat and they would love to turn him into another Melo type story that keeps them employed for months on end.

    Corbin is a decent risk. He may be like Gentry and do better than his mentor. He may make the needed adjustments that Sloan just refused to make.

    If the Jazz win all of this nonsense about DWill will simmer down and die.

    The Jazz did not collapse when Layden retired and Sloan took over. They will do just as well if not better with Corbin at the helm.

    KOC and DWill now have more power and responsibility but that might be a very good thing.

  • Pete88 Aurora, CO
    Feb. 10, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    1.) No. Sloan has had to deal with superstars before that didnt agree with him. He was used to it. Its everywhere in the league, sadly. Everyone inside the organization has said it wasnt the case, those outside say it was...i tend to believe those close to it.

    2.) Perhaps it was. But only Sloan knew if he was worn out or not. He's the kind of guy to give it all and wear himself out before budging for others.

    3.) I believe so. Corbin is close to the team and the players already know him and his coaching. The familiarity should (hopefully) at least keep them on track.