JoeBlowClearly you have some understanding of the LDS religion and yes I
do see how what you mention could come across as offensive no question. It would
come across as offensive if the assumption made that this must mean anything
good done by someone that is non LDS HAS NO MERIT. This couldn't be farther
from the truth. Good works,service, deeds or whatever, can be done buy all and I
believe God blesses accordingly regardless of religion or in fact no religion. I
can't think of a person that gave their life to God by serving their fellow
mankind than Mother Teresa.It would be interesting to discuss the parable
of the workers in the vineyard that started to work at different times in the
day yet all got their one penny when that day was done. Matthew Chpt 20
"I think that most religions in their own way believe that their religion
in the only true church."JanSan,I can go along with
that. The problem with the LDS and what does make them different is
that they constantly say"I KNOW that my religion is THE ONLY
TRUE and CORRECT RELIGION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH."Do you see
how THAT may come across?
I have never said I "oppose" Mormons. I certainly don't hate them. I
am married to a very active one.You assume way too much.I have shown from LDS scriptures the "arrogant religious
imperialism". It is a doctrinal, organizational point, not a personal
attack on any human being.A religion that doctrinally believes
itself to be the "one and only true and living" organization on the
face of the earth, and which aspires to rule the entire earth and put an end to
all other powers - is this not arrogant? Is this not imperialistic? Most
importantly, is this not doctrinally true of Mormonism?And finally,
I have never claimed not to be "human" (whatever that is supposed to
mean in this context).Again, you make some unsupported assumptions.
Perhaps you should rein that back a bit and consider my points objectively. The
fact that you don't suggests I not only diagnosed an institutional hubris, but a
personal one for you.
Great comments Counter Intelligence
the truth,I am pleased to hear you consider Mormon beliefs to be no
different than other religions.One must wonder, however, how that
jives with LDS claims to have the "fulness" of the truth, and
assertions that all other religions are "abominations" with
"corrupt professors" and a history of ?Great Apostasy"?
RE: VankaHow are mormons much different in beliefs than other
religions?other than emphasis on missionary work (and if you believe
you have the full truth would not you want to share it?)Whe live in
area that is majority mormon what do you honesty expect?IT is much
better to understand than to hate.
Believers can sarcastically dismiss my comments until they are BYU Blue in the
face, but it doesn't change the fact that voters are extremely put off by such
arrogant, relgious imperialism. And the fact that you don't take it seriously is
part of the problem.Such hubris.
"I don't think Obama's going to convert to mormon."Just
how does one "convert to mormon"? What does that even mean?And, oh no! Vanka has uncovered the conspiracy! How will we ever carry out our
plan of total world domination now?
Counter Intelligence,Please elaborate. Be specific, if you can.Who are you assuming I "oppose"?What have those
whom I "oppose" said or written that is at all similar to what I have
said or written?Or is yours just one of those mindless "I know
you are, but what am I" knee-jerk responses to my comments?
@ Vanka 7:31Finally, an expert on Mormonism! Here I've been, living in
Utah, reading the Deseret News, just desparately hoping for someone, anyone, to
know something about Mormons! I thought I was going to have to break down and
actually (gulp!) talk to one of my neighbors and ask them what they believe.
Not anymore. I can now relax, confident that in less than two hundred words,
Vanka has given me an accurate and fair representation of a Church with members
in hundreds of countries. What a relief!
It would be a better use of your time to read Hubbard's "Dianetics" or
any of his other best-selling works of fiction, than to waste your time reading
the Book of Mormon.And if you read Dianetics with a sincere heart,
with real intent, and ask a Thetan if it is not true, he will manifest the truth
of it unto you by the power of the Audit.Ask John or Tom. They will
testify of the truth of Dianetics.
Voters may give lip service to the idea that religion doesn't matter, but it
really does.People who know Mormons know that Mormons push their
religion into everybody's face and into everything they do. They wear their
religion on their sleeves.Socially, to a Mormon, you are either a
fellow member or a "non-member" (also known as a potential
investigator). Trying to be friends with a Mormon is like trying to be friends
with a MLM-er. They are always trying to get you to "join".Politically, they believe they are supposed to prepare the world for the
coming of Jesus, when their theocracy will rule for a thousand years, when
"every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that [the Mormon] Jesus is
the Christ" (Philippians 2:10-11; Mosiah 27:31; D&C 76:110; D&C
88:104).They aspire to "put an end to all nations"
(D&C87:6) that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American
continent (in Missouri); that Christ will reign personally upon the earth.Romney and Huntsman believe this stuff. It sounds like Taliban or
Hezbollah to me.Would you vote a Scientologist into the WH?
@Patrick Henry: I disagree. I think everyone has more respect for a person who
sticks with his beliefs, however weird they seem, than for someone who believes
but doesn't walk the walk.(By the way, have you changed your mind about
the Constitution?)@Trevor G.: No, the problem with Prediction #2 is
that people only read the Book of Mormon if they're interested in religion, not
because someone famous is a Mormon. Jon Sweeney said that because he hasn't been
a Mormon missionary and isn't familiar with what kinds of people read the Book
of Mormon. I'd be surprised if he's ever cracked its pages himself.
A LDS person will never become president in America unless he forfeits his
religion entirely or is extremely inactive.
Hutterite | "I don't think Obama's going to convert to
mormon."Counter Intelligence |You are probably
right; which means that even the Huffington Post doesnt think Obama deserves a
second term. _______Whether or not Obama wins in 2012,
will depend who runs against him... Sorry, but Sarah Palin isn't
going to cut it, and Mitt R. has a good shot but with how extreme the Right is
now-a-days... he would most likely get labeled as a, "Un-Christian
RINO" That Healthcare plan of his isnt going to help either. Mark my words... The Conservatives will split the Republican vote between
far-right (tea party) and the Right. Much like Moses and the Red Sea, this split
will make a safe passage for Obama to sit in the oval for another 4 years.
I don't think Obama's going to convert to mormon.
It will sell books.
The problem with that Prediction #2 is that most people will get the Book of
Mormon for free or just read it online.