Jimmer Fredette, Cougars tie 3-ball record in win over Air Force
@wwookie:re: "too poor to live in SF":Yes, and
way to poor to live in Payson Utah.
Don't bother arguing with wwookie about padding stats; he's just jealous that
BYU crushed the same team on the road, that his Utes lost to at home only four
@ wwookieDon't forget that the Cougars only suited up nine players
total for the game due to injuries. And everyone played. Hard to clear the
bench when there are only four players sitting there.
Poqui | 10:31 a.m. Feb. 10, 2011Yes and the same small school who
can't recruit 7' 3" players swept the Utes who can.
When Fredette has the ball the refs call the game as if it's MMA and not BBall.
At least no one has tried a choke hold on Jimmer.
Anytime BYU gets to be too good, the last line of defense for naysayers is
always the old "running up the score" whine.It was used
constantly during the 80's when BYU's football team was scoring at will against
defenses that were helpless to stop Young, McMahon, Bosco, Detmer, et al.It's telling of the state of the BYU and Utah basketball programs,
however, when our friends on the hill have to break out the old whine for
"Jimmer bless Jackson Emery. Great to see his shot back last night. But
even when he's not scoring, he's ALWAYS contributing."Yes. And
have you seen that hair of his? Fantastic hair. Why, he contributes so much just
by showing that glorious head of his on the court!
"I am so impressed with Brandon Davies' effort! Does anyone else think he
looks like President Obama? Very handsome, talented and nice young man!"Yes. Very Clean. Very Articulate.
wwookie is probably hoping that Rose will pull his starters after the opening
tipoff Saturday to prevent the Utes from being too embarrassed.Didn't Jimmer torch Utah for 32 in the HC?IN THE FIRST HALF!
Payson is nice. Great view of the valley, mountains, and Provo.
Fouls will play a big role in how far BYU goes in the NCAA tournament. Our lack
of depth will not be exposed as much if Davies and Hartsock can avoid early
fouls and especially avoid 4 or 5 fouls.Teams will be going at them
hard though looking to create fouls. Clearly this is a concern and Rose has
played so much zone as a way to protect them. But, it has a cost in rebounding
that must be accepted. A price worth paying. Zone defenses leave
offensive players in positions that are harder to man up on for blocking out -
this is what causes teams that use the zone to give up more offensive
rebounds.This will be on clear display again when we play SDSU. At
the same time, BYU is a very good rebounding team. Hartsock, Davies, Abouo and
Rogers are tough guys and tough rebounders. Collinsworth is a highly skilled
rebounder, but I would not call him tough.Our guards rebound well
too. Man oh man, I like this team.
I have watched Cougar Basketball closely including the Stan Watts era. Dave
Rose is the finest coach to fill that position at BYU. His record speaks for
itself. Contrats on 150 wins in record time and exciting brand of play. No
messing around with athletes who do not comply with BYU standards and the best
in recruting quality young men into the program. God bless his health and allow
him to coach for many years to come. Go Cougs
Davies has continued to turn up his aggressiveness and it continues to pay
dividends. He IS a monster inside and one to be feared! He will perform even
better against SDSU the second time, with the caviot of refs.This
league has homer refs. Like they want to make sure each team has happy home
fans to support the league financially. Otherwise it makes not sense to allow
Jimmer to be hacked the way they do on the road.
BYU fans at AF deserve props big time. Impressive!
@wwookieYou live in Payson. End of story
@wwookieI'm sure that is how you felt when whittingham decided to go
for an onside kick when he was up 50 against wyoming. I'm not one to tell people
not to post but if you are going to be that foolish it might be in your best
interest to just not put it online where other people can actually read it and
know what a dimwit you are.
wwookie"Who lives in Vallejo anyway?"That's
rich, coming from somebody who lives in Payson. Not that Payson is a bad place
to live, but really...As far as sportsmanship, Dave Rose is
preparing his starters to handle the rigors of 3 games in 3 nights at the MWC
tournament, and 2 games in 3 nights hurdles in the NCAA tournament. He's not
about to start resting his starters too early just to keep the score more
"respectable".Your whining is obviously just a futile
attempt to get Rose to pull Jimmer from the game early enough on Saturday to
prevent him from laying a 50 spot on the Utes.
I am so impressed with Brandon Davies' effort! Does anyone else think he looks
like President Obama? Very handsome, talented and nice young man!
@ Tom in Vallejo,Who lives in Vallejo anyway? oh, that's right,
people who are too poor to live in San Francisco and don't want to live in
Richmond.In most people's books of places to avoid is a picture of
Vallejo. Funny that you think a high rise is anything above 2 stories. Those 3
story apartment buildings in Vallejo aren't really high-rises and neither are
the few business park buildings of 6 or 7 stories.
Regarding the 'stat padding' comment ... let Jimmer and the other starters play.
It's almost as if we have to root for close games so we can see our favorites
longer.When Detmer was at the Y, I used to get excited for the other
team to score simply so Detmer could play longer.Detmer was the man.
Jimmer is the new man. Fans want to see the best players play.
@wwookieLuckily, it doesn't matter what you think about Rose or
Fredette. I'm glad he stayed in and scored on them after the refs let the
defenders maul him all game.There's a reason Rose is coach and you
are not. If you want to give your 2 cents about poor coaching, I'd be happy to
talk about Boylen all day long with you. Otherwise, quit being a Ute pessimist.
Continuing to play Jimmer after leading 54-27 was disgusting. I wish
sportsmanship wasn't put in the back seat by Coach Rose. Jimmer may get hurt and
then what? Some things are more important than having Jimmer become
player of the year by boosting his stats after a game is more than won.Jimmer is amazing and I would vote him number 2 as the nations best player.
This type of stat padding doesn't make me think he is now #1.
@Swiss/Price Utah 7:25am:In my dictionary under "boring"
is a photo of Price Utah. Got any beaches around that place?? Oh, that's right,
just a few petrified Dinosaur bones. You got any high rise buildings down there
in Price(??) - (a high rise is anything taller than two stories). How about a
I wonder if boylen plans to use the same "secret" defenses he used
@Poqui:That high school student body team just swept the Utes. Guess
they're not writing home to Mom or anyone else.
I enjoyed the game (Go Cougars!), but I was disgusted by the lack of
sportsmanship on the part of the Air Force crowd. Booing every time Jimmer had
the ball was juvenile at best and showed a serious lack of class. I had
expected better from these supposedly "cream of the crop" cadets.
You'd think that they would have been satisfied that the refs let the Air Force
players clobber Jimmer 10-15 times for every one foul called! But, no, on top
of that they felt the need to Boo him. Classless.
Yeah, the cougs beat a school that has a student body the size of a high school
and is limited in their ability to recruit basketball players... Now
there's something to write home to mom about...!
Great game last night; nice work AFCoug and the other Cougar fans for packing
that high school arena.@Live Hard: Isn't life hard enough without
having to cheer for the brown and yellow?
Was at the game and the refs were HORRIBLE! There were several missed calls
going both ways but the blatant trip of Jimmer in the first half and the
suppossed travel in the second were horrendous calls. Colorado
Springs has 4 stakes and I think everyone of them was at the game. I thought my
Ward confernace was at Clune arena last night. They cancelled mutual and Cub
Scouts becuase leaders and youth were going to the game. BYU fans nearly
drowned out the AFA band during a timeout as half the arena erupted in a B-Y-U
chant.I was glad to see Davies and Emery come on strong in the 2nd
half. They were the differance makers last night. Jimmer and Rodgers were
great in the first half but Emery sat with 2 fouls and Davies only had 4 at the
half. They turned it up in the second while Jimmer was getting mugged. He was
cool though and simply nailed a couple three's when nothing was being called
down low.Finally the future looks bright. Rodgers, Davies, Abuo,
Hartstock, and even Magnussen and Zylstra had some good moments and showed hope
for the future.
Jimmer bless Jackson Emery. Great to see his shot back last night. But even
when he's not scoring, he's ALWAYS contributing.
Well, Dave, if your amused by 6000 attendance at AFA be prepared for some kicks
and giggles for the future because that's about what the WCC schools average for
Coach Boylen, "Do I really have to get Jimmer'd twice in a season? Maybe
I'll call a time out in the last minute to keep this one close, too. Great! Now
that my game plan's in place, I'll check to see if they still want to fire
Boy, whoever plays BYU next sure better bring their brown paper bags. Cause BYU
is on fYre.
I didn't see Live Hard up there - oh yeah, I skip him.I love it when
Jimmer said "to hold and grab" and that he was refering to ref didn't
called those. I have seen the same with Big East conferance doing those things
too and he might as well get use to those now when tourney comes.K.
Collinsworth will be ready this Saturday for second early knockout against
Emery, we're glad you started making those shots too.Chris B. What
score should I mark down for Saturday? I've been a bit lost without your
The word has gone out to the refs that opposing teams can mug Jimmer and they
don't have to call fouls. The trend started in New Mexico and has continued
with every game since. Even though he made 16 free throws in the UNLV game, 4
of those were technical fouls. He should have had twice as many. I do like to
have the refs let them play, but this is a little too obvious.
These MWC final games are important to win, but are meaningless in reality. The
MWC teams other than possibly SDSU and UNM are sorry sad sack teams and everyone
in the conference knows it. Apparently no one doing the polls thinks so. I
can't believe the rankings. BYU has a history of faltering in the games that
mean something during the year and at the end of the conference tournament. I
hope they can do some business this year and change that trend. Beating the AFA
is stricly a joke. The other joke is how the officiating is allowing opponents
beat up Jimmer. It's a crime. Blow the whistle you meatballs.Go
I loved the aggression that Jimmer was playing with last night. He's right, they
played him VERY physical and he only shot 4 ft. Hmm. Anyway, Stephen
Rogers is awesome. Ive been waiting for his break out game and it couldnt have
come at a better time. Once KC and James Anderson come back the Cougars will
have a much improved beach with Chuck and Steve making big contributions.I admit I was a little worried going into last nights game as well. It
was nice to see the Cougars run a team out of their own building. Oh, and good work BYU fans in Colorado! You guys were very much noticed on TV.
Next up: Jim (call a timeout when your team is down by 80 with one
second left in the game) Boylin and the Runnin' Utes. Go Cougars!
Great game, BYU! It was interesting that not many fouls were called with all the
slamming and knocking down players. Saturday is going to be great! We'll be
there cheering on Jimmer & Co.Who is Michelle?Go
The article indicated AF made Jimmer "earn every point" is
interesting. Tackling is traditionally left for football, but between slaps,
grabs and down right tackling, it's amazing the Mtn.West Conf. uses the same
refs for both sports. Must save money.Then again, how do you stop such a
player without a half-court assult & mugging?Just a thought.
When are the refs going to call off the dogs? The tactics teams are resorting to
now against Jimmer are not only desperate but unsportsmanlike. The
refs are swallowing their whistles. No way can a player be the focus of
physical defense, grabbing, pushing, hacking, and only go to the line 4
times!Play tough defense but protect the player too. Refs should
make defenses move their feet, not let them throw punches.
Hey Tom: It must be really boring out there in bankrupt Vallejo. I guess the
shipyard hasn't sunk any Nuke Boats at the pier lately for the only other
excitement since Two Years before the Mast was written. Hope the Fountain
West can keep the MTN running without two of the best teams. Versus and the
CBSC should be dropping the MWC when their contracts are up. We'll be watching
BYU play on three national TV channels in HD.
Hmmm, since BYU is down on players ... does Michelle have eligibility to suit up
I thought air force played pretty good for a while there. But they have
absolutely no size under the basket and BYU just man handled them down low all
night.People don't realize how physical of a game Jimmer plays, he
just does it on offense. He has a great outside shot, but his bread and butter
is putting his shoulder down and driving in to the basket. Thats hard to defend
when you got a shoulder in your chest. haha.I watch the NBA and that
is a physical game. If Jimmer thinks Air Force was physical, he's in for a wake
up call next season. I though air force was just FAST. BYU won.
Jimmer got his points. Good enough.
The ref's were so bad I felt sorry for both teams. I dont think glasses would
have helped. they reminded me of the classic three blind mice.
Four Cougars score in double-digits yet again, and still, I fully expect
comments about how BYU is a one-man show. Here's hoping BYU's upcoming opponents
use that same approach in their game plans :)
"6,028 fans at Clune Arena, the largest crowd to watch a game here since
BYU visited in 2007."I'm always amused that a Div. 1 school
could have such a small arena. 6,028? That's the average number of Marriot
Center fans at the concession stand at the middle of the first half of any game.
Team performance and fans showing up. . . that's where it's at. And
BYU has done it, in basketball and football. And so have the Utes. . . errrrr,
um, well, OK, hooray for the Utes, uh, Runnin' Utes, uh, Red Birds, uh, Red
Rocks, uh, PC Non-Native American mascot promoting TUN (Team up North, or Timmid
Ute Natives). Come on guys, be proud of who you are! Gators are an endangered
species, but you don't see the U of Fla. turning away from their school symbol.
But I think THE best example is Fla. St.. Joe Seminole comes out at the
beginning of every home football game on a war pony in full Seminole dress and
plants a flaming spear in the field. Now that's school AND Native American
I am proud to write, "I said it would be a close game and a nail
biter" in my post yesterday.I was worried, but the Cougs
weren't. I caught part of the game on the computer but the sound and picture
died on me. I couldn't even get KSL on my computer so I missed the final
score.I loved the defensive effort. I laughed when the referees let
AFA mug Jimmer. They were ridiculous!Props to the team and the
coaches. Now, on to Saturday. Perhaps Brother Fredette can set a BYU assist
record against the University of Utah!
@LiveHard, you do realize most of our top RPI came during non-conference? Sure,
UNLV and San Diego State have kept it up, but the rest of the MWC could very
well drag BYU down. And you really don't think we'll make it out of the first
round of the UNLV Invitational? That won't happen. And with the seed we'll get
in the Tournament, we'll definitely make it past the first round and should make
the Sweet 16. Hopefully we can go farther.
@Riverton CougarLive Hard is a Wyoming fan, which might even be worse than
being a Ute fan right now. It's pretty bad when all you can do is besmirch your
"rival" (in quotations because Wyoming obsesses about BYU while
they're an afterthought for us) for what they might do in the tournament.
Live Hard,Win or lose in Las Vegas; win or lose in the NCAA
tournament; whether in the PAC or WCC; no matter the size of opponents' arenas;
BYU is in much, much, much, MUCH better shape than the pitiful Runnin' Utes (who
are runnin' away from the MWC).
I hope Michelle comes and that at half time they honor her with a game ball
signed by all of the players with a hug from Jimmer. I hope she's a good enough
sport to do that. She'd end up on ESPN.
The real question for Saturday ... will Michelle show to The Jimmer Show?!?
Rogers has a very bright future!
Who do we play this Saturday? Anyone good? Oh, now I remember.