I'm really glad we're done with this thread. There's no point in writing if
you're not going to read what I said. But I'll give it one last shot just the
same because I love talking to walls.I'm not afraid of an election!
Bring it on! And I KNOW that Mubarak isn't running! I DON'T CARE who wins! Why?
Because it doesn't matter! The military will make sure their guy
"wins," just like they always have. And you bet, they consult with us
(U.S.) to make sure we're ok with it. They are deeply dependent on the U.S. for
military hardware and food, among other things. They don't dare cross us.You honestly think that Iraq is a model of democracy in the area? I give
up. It's hopeless. I'm done.
Earl | 11:21 a.m.How is the US determining who replaces
Mubarak????Have you seen ANY indication that the US is picking his
replacement?Obama HIMSELF said we are not going to influence the
election and just want to make sure EVERYBODY is heard (all 80 Million
Egyptians... not just the 100K radicals protesting in the square).You are right that it's going to be hard to have an honest election there.
But if they can do it in war torn Iraq... they can certainly do it in Egypt.You may not LIKE the outcome of the election... but that does not
automatically mean it was rigged.FYI... There are some people in
Egypt who think Mubarak and his hard line was all that was keeping Islamic
Fundamentalists and Socialist Labor Union Bosses from taking over. And they
didn't want that... so they supported Mubarak. The same rational
people in Iraq gave for supporting Saddam Hussain even thought they knew he was
a bad guy... he was keeping Islamic Fundamentalist from taking power.Mubarak is not an option! He's NOT EVEN RUNNING!!! What are you so afraid
will happen IF Egypt votes???
Fine. Have an election. But the outcome is predetermined. Give the people of
Egypt and the rest of the world the appearance of democracy just to placate
them. But it's just more of the same.Again, this is not my concern.
What is my concern, and I'll say it again, is that the U.S. stay out of making
that determination of who replaces Mubarak. The whole thing that brought this
concern on was last Sunday's op ed by Charles Krauthammer. He encouraged the
U.S. to "work behind the scenes" to ensure a smooth transition to a
U.S.-friendly regime. That has to stop.
Earl,No... You said, "Why would waiting for an election be any
kind of solution".If you don't hold an election... and let the
minority_in_the_MOB decide... Isn't that letting the MOB rule?---I agree Egypt will not become a real_democracy from this. But an
election instead of a coup would be a step_in_the_right_direction, right?I'm by no means a Mubarak_supporter. I agree he must go... but he HAS
already resigned! Google "Mubarak resigns". There are DOZENS of
articles about it.He already resigned, and is just trying to keep
social_order until the election can be held! What's so bad about that???Here's a quote from one of the articles if you missed it... "Update
at 11:08 a.m. ET: Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators erupted in jubilation
in Tahrir Square as vice president Omar Suleiman announces that President
Mubarak has resigned and called on the army to "run the affairs of the
country." (USA TODAY, by Douglas Stanglin)He told the people
he would resign, but not leave the government to mob rule, in the FIRST DAYS of
the protests!Why the problem with waiting for an election???
Ok, let's slow down a bit. I don't think I said or implied that it was a choice
of mob rule or democracy. I'm saying that democracy just ain't gonna happen in
Egypt. The military has been in charge for decades there. Mubarak is a military
guy, and so is most of his administration.Mubarak has been kept in
place these many years with strong U.S. support. He has been compliant with our
request to accept "enemy combatants" via "extraordinary
rendition" for "enhanced interrogations" (overload of euphamisms
here).The military is not about to relinquish their hold to any mere
democracy. But they get the message that Mubarak has outlived his usefulness.
They'll need to find someone who will seduce those who are tired of life there
as they've known it into believing they will address the real concerns of
incredible poverty (40% of the nation lives on less than $2 per day) and
police-state conditions.My main point, though, is that the U.S.
needs to keep its distance rather than "ensuring" democratic elections
or putting another flunky in Mubarak's place. Our fingerprints will only
incriminate us in their minds.
Earl,Why waiting for an electdion instead of letting the mobs
decide...#1. Because the bad_guy's cabinet and parliament will
already have been dissolved... so they can't influence the election.#2. Because the bad_guy isn't even in the running.#3. Because
there will be much better light shed on the election this time (with the
international attention Egypt is now getting).#4. Because it's
completely possible the elections have not been as rigged as the disgruntled
Muslim_supremacists and labor_union_leaders say they have been (Hint... there
will ALWAYS be a group that CLAIMS the election was rigged.. ask any Democrat in
2001).Questions for you...-Name a time when letting the MOB
decide turned out to be a "GOOD" thing.-Name a time when
the MILITARY taking over turned out well (for the people).I still
think disbanding the CURRENT government (as they have) and waiting for an
ELECTION as soon as it can possibly be organized (where all of Egyptians get a
voice... not just the Mob)... is the best course.Patience and a
LEGAL election process IS needed. Not capitulating to the rioters and letting
the radicals decide the nation's fate.
Why would waiting for an election be any kind of solution? The last one was
totally rigged. In fact, don't "fair" elections seem to be the
exception and not the rule in the Greater Middle East? It's power that will win
out, and it looks like the military is stepping in to do just that as I write.
The cultures in so many of the nations there can't successfully support
democratic governments, so the best they can hope for is a benevolent dictator.
Let's just hope the U.S. doesn't get involved in the selection process this
I can only HOPE Egyptians will decide how the crisis ends.It is
looking more and more like the Muslim Brotherhood and the International
Socialist movement (the people organizing the protests) think THEY will be
deciding on their own.People in Egypt are pointing out that the
Muslim_Brotherhood only makes up about 20% or their population, just like
Marxists only account for less than 20% of the population. But it's looking
more and more like they aren't interested in waiting for an election where ALL
Egyptians can voice their will... they just want the change THEY (The
20%_protesting) want... and they want it THEIR way... And the want it NOW.... NO
WAITING FOR AN ELECTION.I watch the news as I'm getting ready for
work each day and one morning it struck me as they reported "Up to 100,000
protesters are expected in the square today". Another day they reported
"250K protesters". But... there are 80_MILLION_Egyptians!Are the 80_Million_Egyptians going to let the 100/200K protesters decide the
outcome of the crisis THEY caused???I hope not. I HOPE they wait
for the promised election... Not let a violent extrajudicial coup decide.