Re: PressureDropThanks for the video link. I especially like
Wrubbell's reaction to the video replay call.But I digress.At no point in this video does it show Bradley's knee down with possession of
the ball.At best it was a close call from the Cougars perspective.
But no frame comes even close to indisputable evidence that Bradley had
possession after his knee hit the ground. In fact there is not even
a series of frames that show exactly when his knee hit the ground. Too many
players and officials blocking the view.That is why, in accordance
with the rules of the game, the call by the officials closest to the play was
not overturned.If I'm wrong, I invite anyone to direct me to the
second by second series of frames that makes the Cougar case of a botched call.
Great hire. Coach Ben can truly show the receivers what a great route looks like
and how to finish with a catch. A picture is worth a thousand words. Picture
this. Jake throws a pass and it is caught. First down or touch down rather than
a dropped pass. Go Cougars and beat the Utes this Saturday at the sold out MC.
22700 excited fans screaming "you got Jimmered"--sweet.
"Correction: If the correct call had been made, BYU would have retained
posession of the ball with an added 15 yards from the penalty
(facemask)."I stand corrected :) Here's a link to
the BYU/Utah botched call for your enjoyment:www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcAQzd_1yP0Was his knee on the ground?
Yes. Was he holding the ball? Yes. Did the Utah player have his hand on the
ball? Yes. Was it a bad call? Yes. Will the sun rise tomorrow? Maybe...
Get over the bad calls! When has there ever been a season in any sport where
there have not been bad calls? The sun will rise tomorrow. I promise.
And while we're on the bad call subject,"And although no-one
knows for sure what would have happened, many observers believe BYU would have
won the SDSU game even if the correct call had been made."Correction: If the correct call had been made, BYU would have retained
posession of the ball with an added 15 yards from the penalty (facemask). It is
true that the review was bad, but the call was bad anyway (had he not been
facemasked, he would most likely not have fumbled; it's called a personal foul
for a reason).Next year's BYU team should be very good. Of course,
had BYU beaten Utah, they might have gone to the Vegas Bowl and gotten beaten up
by Boise State, and Anae may still be the OC. Who knows what will happen?
Here's hoping for an undefeated season.
Howard S.I am truly shocked that you would say that there was no
botched call on that play. The review was done correctly, but that counts for
nothing: how many bad calls even this last year were not overturned because the
ball wasn't clearly visible (I have never played football, but I am very sure
the coaches teach players to tuck the ball in to protect it from being knocked
loose, and I thought that was common sense-- silly me)? The fact remains that
his knee was down before he lost posession of the ball. Just because you can't
see the football with your eyes doesn't mean it's not there. The refs made a
really, really bad call. I agree that BYU should have made the kick, but that
doesn't explain the luck the Utes had all game (like that bad punt).Bottom line: BYU proved to be the better team that game. The better team
doesn't always win. Is Nevada really better than BSU? We know you would use
that excuse if BYU beat a better team. You would come up with excuses why BYU
won. We know you would.
@Howard S.I challenge you to look it up on Youtube, watch and see
what actually happened, and prove your point.
What a great hire. I am already getting the warm and fuzzies with the knowledge
that Ben Cahoon will be teaching the very talented receiving corps that is in
Provo and pushing them to be the very best they can be. I
completely disagree with it being a risky hire. Doman was a risky hire,
because he will be running an offense with very little experience as an OC. But
Cahoon will not be calling the plays, analyzing the defensive coverages, or
creating offensive gameplans. While I would prefer to have a OC with proven
coaching experience, I would prefer a WR Coach with proven playing experience.
All Ben has to worry about is grooming the receivers. He has 13+
years of professional experience at the position, and he was the best receiver
ever to play in the CFL. Its safe to say he knows what it takes to be
successful. The best teacher is experience. With probably the most
talented group of receivers that has ever set foot in Provo, Coach Cahoon will
have plenty to work with. I would not be surprised to see several Cougar
receivers in the NFL in the years to come.
@Howard S.There was no botched call? You're the first person I've
heard say that (even among Ute fans). Have you seen the video? I agree that the
blocked football was BYU's fault, but that was a gift from the refs. His knee
was down for a couple seconds and the ball still in his arms.Anyways... oh well, you guys with your "amazing" team beat a bad BYU
by one point. I'd be boasting that win as well.....
Re: PressureDropLet's set the record straight.There was
no botched call in the Utah game.There is no video or still frame
that shows the receiver with his knee on the ground AND clear possession of the
ball.In fact, in the most published still frame of the play in
question the knee is down, but possession of the ball is obscured.Look at it. The knee is down, but possession cannot be clearly determined.
That, my friend, is why the call on the field was not overturned.The replay rules were followed and there was no botched call.And I would respectfully challenge anyone, including the writer of this
article to make reference to any photo or video that indisputably shows the
receiver down WITH possession.And even if it was botched call...
execute a simple field goal and you win the game.Simple as that.
Tom in CA: "However, being in the conference of champions will guarantee
they will be so good."LOL! I love it how Ute fans
now throw around the term "mid-major" like it's an insult. Makes me
think of hillbillies winning the lottery -- they forget they were living in a
trailer a few short months ago."Bring us some fresh wine! The
freshest you've got - this year! No more of this old stuff.""He doesn't realise he's dealing with sophisticated people here."
Howard S: "The truth is BYU was not good enough to beat Utah. They couldn't
stop Utah from scoring the winning touchdown, and they couldn't score against
Utah's defense. Make the block and execute on a simple field goal
and BYU wins the game.BYU simply wasn't good enough."--------You could just as easily make the opposite argument: Utah
"simply wasn't good enough" to beat BYU without the benefit of a
botched call. But that's all water under the bridge. I guess we'll
see who comes out on top in September. Can't wait :)
"byU beat up on the same cupcakes Utah thrashed earlier in the
season."Agreed. "If you are bringing up
"calls" though, you should probably mention the SDSU and Wyoming games
as well. Both of those games were gifts the cougs received on missed or botched
calls."I'm well aware of the SDSU call, but don't remember the
Wyoming call -- probably because I don't get the Mtn on Dish (independence/ESPN
can't come soon enough). The difference is the Utah botched call
DEFINITELY affected the outcome of the game. Can we agree on that? And although
no-one knows for sure what would have happened, many observers believe BYU would
have won the SDSU game even if the correct call had been made."I don't think either program is a "train-wreck"
though."Agreed. I was just repeating hedgehog's pithy
observation -- which prompted me to make a few comments of my own to stir the
pot ;)The Ute bball program on the other hand:
"train-wreck" does seem like an appropriate description.
@Howard S:Oh and btw:Based on your expert analysis and
definition of BYU, i.e., "can't get it done against good teams", Utah
was a lousy team, too.However, being in the conference of champions
will guarantee they will be so good.
Re: PressureDropMocking a one point victory? The truth
is BYU was not good enough to beat Utah. They couldn't stop Utah from scoring
the winning touchdown, and they couldn't score against Utah's defense. Make the block and execute on a simple field goal and BYU wins the game.
BYU simply wasn't good enough.Oh and btw, five wins in
the last six games against teams with an average Sagarin ranking of 132 does not
suggest that BYU is anything other than what they have always been... a team
that can beat bad competition, but can't get it done against good teams.Thus the loss to Utah...
Pressuredrop"Compare that to BYU's last 6 games of the season:
5 wins and 1 loss (but we all know it should have been 6 wins). Average margin
of victory in those 5 wins: 31 points. "You are comparing
apples to oranges bud. The Utes lost to (2) top ten teams and ND in southbend at
the end of the season. byU beat up on the same cupcakes Utah
thrashed earlier in the season. If you are bringing up
"calls" though, you should probably mention the SDSU and Wyoming games
as well. Both of those games were gifts the cougs received on missed or botched
calls.I don't think either program is a "train-wreck"
@22&44 and Cougar BlueTalk about a couple of over-reactions. 1st
of all yes Cahoon is more mature and experienced than Brian Johnson. Certainly
coaching wr's is not as difficult as mentoring qb's. But neither have had a lick
of coaching experience. We can guess that Cahoon being older and
more mature will give him an advantage over Johnsons youth and immaturity, I'm
certainly willing to concede that even though I never said anything to the
contrary. But the fact remains he is a risky hire because of his inexperience
and no one, including Mendenhall, knows if he will turn out to be a quality
coach or not. Neither of you has a clue you are just guessing/hoping. Well I
hope he turns out to be a great coach but I'll at least aknowledge the risk in
it and admit we'll have to wait to find out for sure.As for Johnson
it is obvious he was hired into a position he was ill equipped and ill prepared
for. Neither of utahs qb's improved under his tutelage. That chow was hired to
mentor their entire offensive staff is proof of that.
@ GunnyAmen Brother!
@hedgehog You can describe a man in inches, pounds, complexion, or
physique. But you measure a man by character, compassion, integrity, tenderness
and principle "Bishop Richard C. Edgley" How do you measure up?
Ben Cahoon is going to help BYU big time!!!Bronco has a hard time
making the no brainer decisions but this is one of them. Glad he brought in
some real talent.
Howard S: "You do realize that Utah beat your Cougars in that 5 game span
that they were "dropping off a cliff", don't you?"Ahhh... yes. That 1-point victory I mentioned. When you look deep in your
heart, do you HONESTLY believe that was a legitimate victory? Careful now... I
don't want your pants to catch fire. Even counting that one, in two
of your last 5 games, you outscored your opponents by an average of 2.5 points
per game. In the other three games, you were outscored by your opponents by an
average of 29 points per game.Compare that to BYU's last 6 games of
the season: 5 wins and 1 loss (but we all know it should have been 6 wins).
Average margin of victory in those 5 wins: 31 points. Now which
program looks like the train wreck again?
@Howard S.You do realize that your team beat BYU by 1 point,
right?Here's the difference. BYU knew they were bad and were working
to get better. Utah thought they were heaven's gift to football.They
still thought that after they could only beat a bad BYU by 1 point. Hence
Devonte Christopher's cheerleader remark before Utah got pounded by Boise
State.Cahoon seems to have it together. If he can learn to turn his
talent into coaching, he'll be a great mentor for receivers. I think these guys
will look up to him. I'm excited to see how things turn out. Love the young
excitement on BYU's coaching staff.
Dear Duckhunter: Wow, what a comparison. Comparing Brian Johnson who had
absolutely no professional experience with Ben Cahoon who has had 13 years
experience and is rated the top pass receiver in the CFL for most of those years
is at the best immature logic. Brian Johnson only had his 5 years
of experience at Utah to use as a reference. One of the years he was injured,
and another year he wasn't even the starter. Johnson and Cahoon are on two
separate planets when it comes to what they can teach the young men under their
tutelage. Cahoon has the deep knoweldge what it takes to excel. The only thing
that will make a difference is his relationship with his players. If it is good
then he will be very successful in his teaching. If he doesn't have a good
relationship with his players, it won't matter what he says, because there would
not be a trusting relationship. Brian Johnson may turn out to be a
good coach, but he is light years away from doing it.
@ MiP & HowardYou do realize you went from a #5 national
ranking, to nearly losing within the final seconds to a 7-5 team that started
the season with a loss to Utah State, for Pete's sake?!?!?You went
from 23-3 the previous two years (I'll have to take your word for it; I don't
care enough to look...) to 2 and 3 with national humiliation on top.In fairness, the best word that applies to BYU's season last year was
"salvage," but you have to admit that most Ute posters here were less
than conciliatory about any BYU season that ended in a loss. Shoot, even the
ones that ended with a victory.You have to admit, Utah going to Las
Vegas and getting whipped after all the trash talk about BYU and the Las Vegas
bowl is just poetic justice.Honestly, good luck in nearly all your
future games. A healthy Jordan Wynn would have made a difference last year.
See ya in September.Enjoy your scoreboard. You, well, your team,
did earn it.
Re: PressureDrop You do realize that Utah beat your Cougars in that
5 game span that they were "dropping off a cliff", don't you?Doesn't reflect very well on the Coogs to be beaten by a team in free-fall,
Ernestgo de Bajo: You are truly talented in writing poetry. Great poem! I
read and re-read it to get the gist of it. At first, I thought the receivers
were putting their ten fingers around Big Ben's neck, but alas, the complete
poem was about Big Ben's playing days at BYU.
Duckhunter, I am a BYU fan, but I do not agree with you about Brian Johnson.
Wynn was hurt, but kept playing until he could not play anymore. It was nothing
to do with the coaching.
MiP: "Didn't realize the Utes football program, after a 10-3 season (33-6
over the last 3 years), finishing #23, and an upgrade in their yearly schedule
would be considered "dropping off a cliff.""Consider
the Utes first 8 games:8 wins, 0 losses362 points scored vs 113
againstConsider the Utes last 5 games:2 wins, 3 losses68
points scored vs vs 161 againstRecap:lost by 40 (7 total
points scored by the mighty Utes)lost by 25 (3 total points scored by the
mighty Utes)won by 4won by 1 (based on botched replay call)lost by 23 (3 total points scored by the mighty Utes vs 26 by the Boise State
cheerleaders)Sounds like "dropping off a cliff" to me.Cheers!
I am not worried about Cahoon. He will do just fine. He will be very good at his
limited role and should be a good recruiter. Further, he has a lot more playing
experience than most of the coaches that BYU has promoted or hired. Overall the BYU staff is very young and lacks experience at most coaching
positions. That is going to lead to some mistakes, poor adjustments and poor
game plans. Bronco is still learning. It is not like Joe PA or even
Mack Brown promoting a couple of grad assistants and going out and hiring
coaches with 3-0 years of experience. Reynolds and Tidwell have been
around but how much input do they have on adjusting an offensive game plan? Doman at OC is a necessary risk. He will be more innovative but his lack
of experience is a big risk. Bronco should be decent at managing the
defensive coaches and helping with game adjustments.
got one thing to say were is matt belinne yehaw were is mat the best hands
byu ever saw. gave detmer his hiesman
Great players don't always make great coaches, but you never know. Hope it works
out for them.Pressure Drop: Didn't realize the Utes football
program, after a 10-3 season (33-6 over the last 3 years), finishing #23, and an
upgrade in their yearly schedule would be considered "dropping off a
cliff." What will you say if they were to go 7-6 and lose to their arch
Big BenCame to Provo thenAnd made the fans remember whenwhen
ten were thrownthen caught were tenbecause the fingers there, all
tenwere on the hands of one Big Ben
If, as the saying goes, practice makes perfect, then Ben Cahoon is the perfect
coach for BYU's receiving corps.Guaranteed, we'll see far fewer
dropped passes this coming season because the players will practicing until they
learn NOT to drop passes.Plus, practicing with the same QB and
having the same type of ball thrown each and every time will be a huge advantage
over the beginning of last season.With Heaps throwing, Cahoon's
receivers catching, and Doman's creative play calling, BYU's offense is going to
be VERY good next season.
To ALL:Truly - just IGNORE him. He's a pointless waste of time, so
don't be drawn into the one guy who consistently demonstrates he knows NOTHING
about sports.RE: Cahoon - I'm super psyched that this guy will be
coaching our receivers on the mental part of this game. Played receiving myself
in high-school (many moons ago) and there's a distinct attitude about catching a
ball that needs to be ingrained in our receiving corps. This is an area where
there's TONS of room for improvement over last season - too many drops. I think
this is a HUGE win for the Cougars to have Ben coaching. In his prime, he
always reminded me of Steve Largent route-runner, with the hands of Biletnikoff.
Whether Cahoon can help these receivers drop fewer balls is up in the air. But
I have no doubt that he can teach precise routes and better separation. Better
separation creates easier catches, and that is where Cahoon will really benefit
Heaps and the team.I agree. . . .Don't feed the trolls.Duckhunter--You do the same thing on Ute articles that crissy and hedgie do on
BYU articles. Why do you lower your self to their levels?
Where's Stockton ???,Bowling Green huh, how's it feel to live in the
town Urban built?Just can't get away from the Utah connection - it's
Regarding the trolls Chris B and Hedgehog: I personally enjoy hearing from them.
They remind me of the Iraqi propaganda minister from the first gulf war. Anybody
remember him? While his Saddam's army was getting pummeled, he was
issuing statements like these:"We made them drink poison last
night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a
lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly. "And:"They are sick in their minds. They say they brought 65 tanks into
center of city. I say to you this talk is not true. This is part of their sick
mind. Mark it down!"Hedgehog and Chris B are equally funny: as
their football and b-ball teams are falling off a cliff, they go on and on about
how bad things are at BYU and how the "mighty" utes are going to the
"conference of champions" -- where they will be pummeled like the
Duckhunter | 1:19 p.m. Feb. 7, 2011.. "I look at the obvious mistake
Whittingham made last year hiring the inexperienced, and very young, Brian
Johnson to coach the qb's at utah"If Brian Johnson had played
13 yrs in the CFL and did as poorly as he did as a QB coach, your comparision
might be valid. However, Cahoon has proven that he has exceptional talent as
veteran reciever whos stats speak for themselves. I would much
rather take a "gamble" on Cahoon, than continue in the same direction
that Higgins was headed.
Cahoon will do great. He is coaching receivers here people. He wasn't hired as
the head coach a coordinator or anything else. He needs to teach his
athletes to run good routes and catch passes not call plays or time outs. I'm
positive he'll do a great job and we will all be excited about the results. Go
I'm excited to see what he can do. Good luck Coach and have fun out there!
I don't know the man, but I love Cahoon's philosophy.
Cahoon will do very well at BYU! He will make a name for himself by improving
BYU's receives, helping win many games and end up coaching for the Utees, just
like other coaches they have!
I am a Utah fan but have had season tickets at both BYU and UTAH at different
times and follow both programs (like we all do) pretty close. I like Cahoon as a
recievers coach. I think he has lots of potential. A bit of a gamble, as all
first year coaches, but probably a good move.
@Hedgie Doggie I really don't see how Trainwrecks fit into an article
about Ben Cahoon coaching wide receivers but yes Hedgie... unusual as it is...
you are finally right for once. There was a trainwreck South of Toledo involving
about 22 rail cars. In fact several of the tankers filled with denatured
ethanol exploded and lit up the sky for hundreds of miles. Since Ann Arbor is
only about 70 miles away you must have seen it. I thought it was fireworks
clear out in Utah celebrating the clean sweep of UNLV.Scoobie
Ben Cahoon's experience,as I understand it, covers more than a decade of
excellence in Canadian professional football. He must have had countless
position coaches throughout his career, and hopefully gleans from them the best,
most effective ways to help recievers excell. He has my vote, I am hoping he
will make a great contribution to the Y football program in the years to come.
Good luck Ben.
@Tom in CAIf by her "brethren" you mean ute
"fans" then I am not surprised they don't say anything about what she
does. There are several reasons for it.One is that utah has a very
tenuous "fan"base. There just aren't very many of them. I would be
surprised if there are more than 20,000 real ute "fans", meaning the
type that actually love the school and its sports programs and will support it
regardless of how they perform. If they do not win then they don't have any more
"fans" than that. Because of that those guys tolerate the wedgies and
christina b's because they know they have to have them to try to make their
numbers seem greater than they really are.The other reason is that
those "brethren" mostly agree with wedgie. They are haters, just like
she is, and they have spent so long being beaten down by BYU in almost every
sport that they simply hate and haters like that are drawn to each other. They
can comiserate and wallow in self pity as well as cast vitriol and criticism at
their betters. It is pathetic really.
Wow. I already love Ben. He's a guy that can be trusted to make very good
decisions.It's a great time to be a Cougar fan!
Trolls feed on attention, and die without it. Get the hint, Cougar fans.
H-hog:Why don't you man-up and let us all know what your religion is
so we can take cheap shots at it. Or even better, leave religion out
of your meaningless comments. I'm surprised some of your brethren haven't taken
you to task on this issue by now.
HedgeGrab a mirror...Now say this to yourself...'you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like
you.'Feel better than the negativity?
hedgehog:With valentine day approaching, I hope you'll feel the love from
all the courgar fans. There isn't a BYU article that goes by without your
articulate analysis. You are always right and put the rest of us to shame. We
love you so much.BTW, where is michigan? I heard it's name years ago, but
fail to read anything about since a guy named bo was there. Is the state still
in the US or is it a providence of Canada now?
Yip yip yap say the little hedgehogs..er dogs as the cars go past. They don't
notice or pay attention because she is of no significance. There will always be
yappy little dogs trying to stop whatever is rolling over them. In this case it
is BYU. This little dog hates blue cars but can't seem to get noticed or make a
difference. Jealousy and obsession; Get used to it hedgie..oh wait, that
is your life.Cahoon will be a terrific coach. He will have BYU receivers
in top form. Really looking forward to September.
hedgehog | 1:10 p.m. Feb. 7, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI trainwreck. ===So move off the tracks, because BYU has an offense, and a
defense.Can I quote you after the game at LES?
Re: hedgiepooYou mean unless he is a devout mormon like Brian Logan,
JJ DiLuigi, Joshua Quezada, Drew Phillips and Cody Hoffman are?I
don't expect you to have the BYU depth chart memorized but there are a lot of
great athletes on BYU's team even now, that aren't LDS kids. I only expect that
trend to continue.If he values education and living a clean
lifestyle (which a lot more of these kids do than you think), then I think BYU
will be a great possibility for him.
Cahoon has lots of experience, alot more experience than alot of coaches have.
Teaching how something is done is best done by those who have done it and know
how it needs to be done and Ben is a perfect fit in that regard. There are alot
of great players who can't coach or explain or show or paint a picture in such a
way that young players can see, understand and incorporate into their game what
is trying to be taught, but I don't think that will be a problem for Ben. Ben
has been the type to study, breakdown and put in tons of hours to be able to
understand what and how to do his job as a wide receiver and that will help him
a ton as he tries to help these young receivers become the best they can be. His
attitude as a perfectionist will rub off on the receivers, he will demand it.
kegar klaws,Easy cowboy, unless Davonte is a devout mormon he will
choose a BCS program.I understand you excitment though, seeing that
BYU didn't offer anyone let alone get anyone of significance in 2011 class.
As a teacher, I love his approach. If my student misspells a word, I'm not going
to make her run laps or do math facts. I'm going to have her practice
spelling.Seems like a duh statement, but it's true for sports too.
If you make a mistake, do you need a negative, unrelated consequence? No. The
consequence has to be related to the mistake or it does little good.To have his receivers catching more balls if they drop one, run more routes if
they mess it up, do more blocking if they miss an assignment, sounds about
perfect to me.
re: hedgehogI know you are but what am I?Now, on to the
non-junior high dialog. . .BYU has recruited surprisingly well at
WR. There is a late-comer in this year's recruiting class at WR. He's actually a
Cody Hoffman, under the radar type.I think Coach Cahoon will be a
great coach and will have a lot of talent to work with. One guy I
would be thrilled to death about if BYU actually landed him is Davonte Neal out
of AZ for the class of 2012. If you haven't seen his highlights on film, you'll
be AMAZED at how athletic this kid is. He's a good option with his size and
speed for a slot receiver type position. BYU has offered him but so have schools
like LSU and USC. The Cougs will be hard pressed to get him, but wow, if they
can pull it off he will be an incredible athlete on BYU's roster.
He is the receivers coach. He needs to teach them to run routes, catch, and
block. I think Cahoon will handle all of that just fine. Can't wait for next
This is a risky hire. Cahoon has zero coaching experience. Obviously Bronco is
impressed with him however and thinks he can do the job.I hope that
he becomes a great coach. I'm not one that thinks an individual has to have
experience to get a job doing something. If that were the case no one would ever
get a job because none of us ever had any experience until we actually were
given a chance to do it. But when a head coach makes a decision to hire a
position coach that doesn't have any experience doing it then the head coach is
responsible for the outcome.I look at the obvious mistake
Whittingham made last year hiring the inexperienced, and very young, Brian
Johnson to coach the qb's at utah. Any objective observer of that situation can
see that it was a disastrous move, at least for last year. The qb's there
actually got worse, not better.