"By the way, Utah has a national championsip in basketball for those of you
who want a history lesson."So does BYU; in fact BYU has just as
many national championships in basketball as Utah.Utah: 1944 NCAA,
1947 NITBYU: 1951 NIT, 1966 NIT
I'm with Coach 101 and cval :-) Civil discourse and respect (though rare) make
these posts enjoyable. Although I'm Tru-Blue, I sense the Kewgs still need
something more - like one of Utah's 7' guys!
How quickly the Koogers forget their fantastic seasons of 2004-2005 (9-21),
1998-1999 (12-16), 1997-1998 (9-21)! Yes, they were a few years ago, but they
are still part of your illustrious basketball program's history. Oh, and let's
not forget about THE GEM in 1996-1997 (1-25!!!!!!!!!!!! and 0-16 in conference
play. That was AND still is high comedy). Dave Rose is a great
coach and the program appears to be heading in a good direction, but let's not
forget about your overall program track record, either. That is, if you want to
talk about the program from a wholistic point of view. By the way,
Utah has a national championsip in basketball for those of you who want a
history lesson. It occurred a long time ago, but a championship is a
championship as you Koogs always say.
This is a terrific basketball season. My Aggies are undefeated in the WAC, my
Longhorns are undefeated in the country's strongest conference, and my son's
favorite school the Y isn't doing too bad either.Can't wait for the
big dance to see how these teams compete. Texas has already proved itself
dominating Kansas, A&M and Missouri. Of course they lost earlier to #4 Pitt
and #10 UCon. My point is they are truly battle tested. Texas has proven they
can play with the elite teams.You can talk all you want about the
Y's RPI, but what ranked team have they played? San Diego, Arizona and USU. How
far did any of these schools go in last year's bracket?We can
speculate and boast like crazy, but only time will tell if the Y, SDSU and USU
can make a statement in this year's bracket. I hope they all do. Can't wait to
see it play out.
ute trolls are warning BYU about next year. For them it's always next year or
last year. How does 10-13 and headed south sound? That's this year's reality for
the tun. Get out while the getting is good, the PAC-12 will be kinder to the
utes than the MWC.
@hawaiianaggieI am enjoying pointing out how wrong you are in almost
every post you make.BYU's football accomplishments are far superior
to boises and it can be argues are superior to tcu's.BYU does have a
National Championship that happened in most of our lifetimes. BYU has also had
so many All Americans and individual award winners over the last 40 years that
I'm not even going to list them out as it would take up this entire post. Even while those two programs have enjoyed the success they have over
the last 5 years BYU has still been a consistent top 25 team during that same
period. Frankly the both have quite a ways to go to match BYU's
football accomplishments over the last half century. Trying to take
a half of a decade and pretending it somehow surpasses the excellence of a half
a century is comical.
Wise Old Brothers,While I can appreciate your zeal as a BYU fan,
let's get one thing straight. BYU is not a national power in basketball. Utah
has better claim to that if we're going purely by historical records. BYU is
also not a national power in football. They have had very decent success with
their program, but nothing like the success that we see from Cinderella programs
like TCU and Boise State.Now this may be hard to believe, but it is
okay to be a fan of a team that isn't always "the best". Just enjoy
the game and be proud of accomplishments.Good luck Cougar
basketball, I hope to see you go far.Go Aggies!
I love Utah State. They have a very good basketball program, and one of the most
successful coaches in the country. But let's keep things in perspective. The
Aggies have played only 2 teams in the RPI top 100, and they lost both times. Of
the games remaining on their schedule, only 1 (St. Mary's) is against a top-100
team.By contrast, BYU has played more than half its games against
top-100 teams. The Cougs are 10-2 in those games, 7-1 against the top 50, and
3-0 against the top 25.Utah State may have a really great team, but
we just don't know because they haven't played anyone.
"I find it ironic that the same arguments most of you [COUGARS] use to
defend your "prestigious" football program do not fly when we talk
about basketball... "That's because BYU's football team won a
national championship and numerous other national awards, and has continued
being a perennial Top 25 team ever since (17 Top 25 finishes since 1977,
including four in the last five years).After getting to the
championship game in 1998, Utah has been in steady decline ever since - four
losing seasons in the last six, with a humiliating loss in their only NCAA
tournament appearance.Utah basketball is looking worse than BYU
football did during the Crowton era, the only losing period that BYU has endured
since LaVell took over a struggling football program in 1972 and made it a
I find it ironic that the same arguments most of you Koogers use to defend your
"prestigious" football program do not fly when we talk about
Veritas Aequitas | 4:36 p.m. Feb. 7, 2011 Fruit Heights, UT "(BTW, when my son grows up, he also wants to be Chris B. He wants to
live in the basement, getting loaded, listening to Rush, and posting smack about
BYU... But, he is only three-years-old... I'll give him time)."You are flat-out wrong with the above comment, and I don't appreciate it. I do
not listen to Rush. :)(Just to show you I do have a sense of humor)
Aggies are having another great year under a very under-rated but fabulous
coach....BYU is also having a good year and just may do better than
any other BYU team has done in the tournament.... A lot of that will have to do
with seeding I think and whether or not the Cougs can continue to play at the
high level that they have been playing at... I have noticed a little less energy
lately and a lot more coasting...A basketball season is a marathon
and if you are going to do well in the tournament you have to start focusing on
getting sharp in Mid February, late February and early March... We have to
return to the "Take No Prisoners" mindset that we had up through the
SDSU game... No more giving up 13 pt leads in the second half, protect our big
men from foul trouble in the first half, maintain good spacing, and make
everyone carry the scoring load...This team has Final Four and
National Championship Potential.... The question is, "Are they hungry
OU812Didn't #5 Duke(21-2) just get destroyed by unranked St.
John's(13-9)?I suppose in your book an unranked, 9th place team in
the Big East destroying the best team in the ACC, proves that the ACC is no
longer a power conference.btw, South Florida only lost 66-61 in OT
to #9 Connecticut. The Huskies must not be very good either.
OU812It really doesn't matter whether you're impressed or not. BYUs
is ranked #1 in RPI; that's all you need to know about BYU's SOS.If
any of those Big East teams want to visit Provo to prove how tough they are,
they're more than welcome. If they're soooo much better than the Cougars, they
shouldn't have any trouble beating BYU in the Marriott Center.*crickets*
re: blue: And how many of those wins were against a power conference? Az? ranked
below the mtn west, not impressed. The big east can play against 2-3 ranked
teams in a week. How did you fare against the doormat of the big east south FL?
thats what i thought...
Come on softshack89 don't take the bait on another Ute imposter trying to rile
you up. Indeed we did lose in Provo, I do find it interesting that we played
much better at BYU than Arizona or SDSU. Keep in mind we were missing our
starting center for that game. Not at all saying we would have won but I think
our respect is deserved when comparing to some of the more recognizable teams
like SDSU and UofA.
BigCougFan,You got me thinking about the pairings for a state
tournament. I think it would take a bracket of 16 for the Utes to get on the
board. They would be left off of a bracket of 8.
How did the Utes do in the polls? Are they protecting that 'Assist/game' lead?
Will the Cougs get a #2 seed, #3 seed or #4 seed?If Cougs go
undefeated and win MWC tournament, they will get a #2 seed. (This is what I'm
predicting.)If the Cougs lose one regular season game (SDSU) and win
MWC tournament they will get a #3 seed.If the Cougs lose one regular
season game and don't win the MWC tournament, they will get a #4 seed.
Forget about invitations to National Tournaments... if we had an instate
tournament the yewts still wouldn't qualify to be invited!Go Cougars
and Aggies.. I love the color BLUE!
I definately think that USU deserves its ranking. That is a very good team and
they have a very good coach. Stew Morril is another great Provo Bulldog :)Of course the aggie fans are only about a half a step ahead of utah
"fans" in the calss department but that doesn't change the fact their
basketball team is pretty good.
Ratings are over rated. Nice to see the State of Utah recognized in football and
basketball. Hoping my beloved Aggies will survive the WAC and get something
going in football.Just wondering, how much many points is having homecourt
advantage worth? I know the Spectrum is worth at least 6 points. Any takers on
the Cougars homecourt advantage? Careful, this is a trick question.
Hey Crissy B.,I'm with you on the Chris B. imposter deal. Such a
nuisance. However, determining that they are not the true Chris B. is as easy
as pie...their intelligent quotients are just to darn high and they make too
Chris B | 11:47 a.m. Feb. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Another
imposter. I'm flattered. Fact is, I hope tds rises as far as they
can in the polls. ===(BTW, when my son grows up, he also
wants to be Chris B. He wants to live in the basement, getting loaded, listening
to Rush, and posting smack about BYU... But, he is only three-years-old... I'll
give him time).Ya think BYU will go from #5 in the country to others
recieving votes in the AP like the Mighty, PAC-12-going Utes???? (BTW, BYU
football was in others recieving votes... Can't we just be friends?)That would make BYU basketball the Utah football team.That would
really humble the BYU fans.But Ute fans are stronger. Through
humiliation over time, they are accustomed to cheering on a team that loses, and
not making changes...Go Utes, and their fans.
Coach101 | 3:27 p.m. Feb. 7, 2011Houston, TX Hey Coach: What
are you doing coming here with a positive post instead of talking trash to one
team or the other (or the team not even in the discussion)?I'm not
sure that is allowed ;-)Good post. I agree.
@utahcountyute...utey...and what two tournaments will Utah not be invited
to this year in 2011??? Do you need help remembering??? One...the lesser
of the two, is a 3 letter acronym while the other being the major one, is a 4
letter acronym. I'll even give you a hint. They both start with an N for the
word National...Now then utey...do you think that you can take it from there and
show everybody out here how smart and how crrently up to date you are in this
present year.Thank though you for all your historical information that
currently has no application much less relevence.ScoobieScoobie
Impressive for the state of Utah to have two top 20 teams. I think they both are
for real. USU hasn't been tested to the level of BYU but they are currently
blowing people away - good luck to both. The common factor with both of these
fine teams is that each have a great coach.
On the other hand, utahcountyute,BYU's ONE win last year is
INFINITELY more than Utah has had since Dave Rose became BYU's head coach!The way things look up on the hill, it could be another decade before
the Utes even see an NCAA tournament game, other than on television.Don't look now, but BYU is only one NCAA tournament appearance behind the Utes
(this year is already a lock for BYU) and the chances of the Cougars catching
the Utes next year are excellent.The Cougars already passed the Utes
in the overall head-to-head rivalry.BYU's basketball future is
RoseY; whereas prospects on the hill are Boylen over with futility.See you Saturday; that is, if you're brave enough to endure being Jimmered
JarkaThe 2 wins the Utes had to get to the sweet 16 in 2005, out
numbers the total wins byU has had in the tourney since 1994. INCLUDING LAST
YEAR!Looks like the cougs have done less! lolThat being
said, Utah stinks this year. Let's keep all this in perspective though. thx
@Lowell Chad:You obviously can't do your own research. Oh, and you
want to go backwards 20 years?If we go back 20, then we might as
well go back 30, right? We might as well talk about 1984.No, let's
just stay in the here and now - where the Mighty Cougars are doing pretty well
and the tds little brothers are not doing so well:24-2 BYU (after
this week is over)10-15 tds (utah) the runnin' red-headed step child
(after this week is over)Things will most likely improve going
forward to the conference of champions.
Lowell Chad: How has Arizona done against BYU the last two years?*crickets*Seriously, past history has very little
relevance.SDSU had never been ranked -- until this year.SDSU has never won an NCAA tournament game.So, are you ready to
bet the ranch on the Aztecs NOT winning a tournament game this year?If you're really looking for comparisons to BYU's past history, however,
compare how well a sick Jimmer played last year with how well Jimmer is playing
this year. Then, compare how BYU did in the tournament the last time the Cougars
had a national player of the year.BYU's three NCAA tournament wins
in the last 20 years could easily double THIS YEAR!Stay tuned!btw, BYU hasn't lost to a lower seeded team in the tournament since the
70's. (Just to clarify: An 8/9 matchup is a tossup - the only
difference between an 8 and 9 seed, is the 8 seed gets to wear their
light-colored home jerseys.)
Lowell ChadNow you Utesies are using the past to talk about the relevant
present? Nice.Remember 1984? When you win an NC come back and we'll
talk. And the Utesies haven't done much of anything in the tourney
since 1999, so what's the point again?
News flash, this year's BYU team does not have to play in 20 years worth of
tournaments, they only have to play in this year's tournament. Who cares about
the last 20 years? I don't. How many people in the program have even been
around for six years?, let alone 20.They got put out by a very good
#2 seed K-state last year. Does it reflect poorly on Dave, Jimmer, and the Gang
because they didn't pull of an upset? I don't think so.
Helloooo, that's an interesting comment, provided that USU lost to BYU this
How has BYU done in the NCAA tournament over the last 20 years?
Go Aggies the best team in Utah
Hmmmm.....the Cougars are here in the rankings and so are the
Aggies.We seem to be missing someone. Hmmmm......who could THAT
be?Oh, that's right, BYU's little brother, the Utes.yewties, oh, yewties!!....where are you?.....(Hee! Hee! And, yes,
I did enjoy that a lot!)
Well deserved ranking for the Aggies!!!
I saw the coaches show last night and saw two players that are redshirting this
year for the BYU basketball team. They both look outstanding and one was making
shots that Jimmer is this year. BYU will be just fine for the forseeable
future. BYU will be just fine Chris B.
Actually christina it is you that should be happy that utah will be playing in a
much weaker conference next year. I don't think it will result in any more wins
for the utes but they probably won't wind up on the wrong end of many 104-79
scores. In a weak basketball conference like the pac10 they will probably only
lose by 10-15 points most of the time.
hi! Im Chris B! My last name is Bryant!TDS will be lucky to win one
game in the tourney. Mark it Down!
Chris B.Even if BYU fell, which I predict and mark down, will not happen.
It still wouldn't come close to the monumental and colossal freefall of the
overrated Utesie football team. Once again you spout drivel on a legit top ten
team and have nothing to back it up but your closet obsession with BYU and
Jimmer. Let's also see how your Utesies fare in the PAC-12 next
year. Guaranteed it is going to be ugly and embarrassing.
Utah is fortunate to have two such teams to follow in the same season.
Chris_B | 10:41 a.m. Feb. 7, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Another
imposter. I'm flattered. Fact is, I hope tds rises as far as they
can in the polls. The fall will be that much farther and sweeter. Enjoy the
ride, cewgs, because after The Jimmer leaves, you've got nothin'. Be glad you're
leaving the conference next year, cause it would not be pretty.
Congratulations Cougars on another outstanding week!#7 BYU(22-2),
ranked #1 in RPI, has now beaten three ranked teams:#6 SDSU(23-1) --
co-MWC leader#15 Arizona(20-4) -- PAC 10 leader#21 Utah St(22-2) --
WAC leaderplus four "others receiving votes" teamsSt Mary's(20-4) -- WCC leaderUTEP(18-4) -- C-USA leaderUNLV(17-6) and CSU(16-7)and another conference leaderVermont(19-5) -- America East leader BYU continues to build a
great resume for the Selection Committee.
Notice wins over 3 of those Top 25: SDSU, UA, & USU. And over 2 others
receiving votes: SMC & UNLV! TDS has earned their #1 RPI for sure! Go
USU is playing great basketball. You will be hard pressed to find a better
balanced team. Boise still has no idea what hit them Saturday.Look
for Aggies to keep moving up as they go undefeated in the WAC.