BYU, Utah State basketball: Cougars move to No. 7 in poll; USU at No. 21


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  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 8, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    "By the way, Utah has a national championsip in basketball for those of you who want a history lesson."

    So does BYU; in fact BYU has just as many national championships in basketball as Utah.

    Utah: 1944 NCAA, 1947 NIT
    BYU: 1951 NIT, 1966 NIT

  • Concilio Alpine, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    I'm with Coach 101 and cval :-) Civil discourse and respect (though rare) make these posts enjoyable. Although I'm Tru-Blue, I sense the Kewgs still need something more - like one of Utah's 7' guys!

  • Lowell Chad Tempe, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    How quickly the Koogers forget their fantastic seasons of 2004-2005 (9-21), 1998-1999 (12-16), 1997-1998 (9-21)! Yes, they were a few years ago, but they are still part of your illustrious basketball program's history. Oh, and let's not forget about THE GEM in 1996-1997 (1-25!!!!!!!!!!!! and 0-16 in conference play. That was AND still is high comedy).

    Dave Rose is a great coach and the program appears to be heading in a good direction, but let's not forget about your overall program track record, either. That is, if you want to talk about the program from a wholistic point of view.

    By the way, Utah has a national championsip in basketball for those of you who want a history lesson. It occurred a long time ago, but a championship is a championship as you Koogs always say.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    This is a terrific basketball season. My Aggies are undefeated in the WAC, my Longhorns are undefeated in the country's strongest conference, and my son's favorite school the Y isn't doing too bad either.

    Can't wait for the big dance to see how these teams compete. Texas has already proved itself dominating Kansas, A&M and Missouri. Of course they lost earlier to #4 Pitt and #10 UCon. My point is they are truly battle tested. Texas has proven they can play with the elite teams.

    You can talk all you want about the Y's RPI, but what ranked team have they played? San Diego, Arizona and USU. How far did any of these schools go in last year's bracket?

    We can speculate and boast like crazy, but only time will tell if the Y, SDSU and USU can make a statement in this year's bracket. I hope they all do. Can't wait to see it play out.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    ute trolls are warning BYU about next year. For them it's always next year or last year. How does 10-13 and headed south sound? That's this year's reality for the tun. Get out while the getting is good, the PAC-12 will be kinder to the utes than the MWC.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 1:37 p.m.


    I am enjoying pointing out how wrong you are in almost every post you make.

    BYU's football accomplishments are far superior to boises and it can be argues are superior to tcu's.

    BYU does have a National Championship that happened in most of our lifetimes. BYU has also had so many All Americans and individual award winners over the last 40 years that I'm not even going to list them out as it would take up this entire post.

    Even while those two programs have enjoyed the success they have over the last 5 years BYU has still been a consistent top 25 team during that same period.

    Frankly the both have quite a ways to go to match BYU's football accomplishments over the last half century.

    Trying to take a half of a decade and pretending it somehow surpasses the excellence of a half a century is comical.

  • HawaiianAggie St.George, Utah
    Feb. 8, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Wise Old Brothers,

    While I can appreciate your zeal as a BYU fan, let's get one thing straight. BYU is not a national power in basketball. Utah has better claim to that if we're going purely by historical records. BYU is also not a national power in football. They have had very decent success with their program, but nothing like the success that we see from Cinderella programs like TCU and Boise State.

    Now this may be hard to believe, but it is okay to be a fan of a team that isn't always "the best". Just enjoy the game and be proud of accomplishments.

    Good luck Cougar basketball, I hope to see you go far.

    Go Aggies!

  • cynic Appleton, WI
    Feb. 8, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    I love Utah State. They have a very good basketball program, and one of the most successful coaches in the country. But let's keep things in perspective. The Aggies have played only 2 teams in the RPI top 100, and they lost both times. Of the games remaining on their schedule, only 1 (St. Mary's) is against a top-100 team.

    By contrast, BYU has played more than half its games against top-100 teams. The Cougs are 10-2 in those games, 7-1 against the top 50, and 3-0 against the top 25.

    Utah State may have a really great team, but we just don't know because they haven't played anyone.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 8, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    "I find it ironic that the same arguments most of you [COUGARS] use to defend your "prestigious" football program do not fly when we talk about basketball... "

    That's because BYU's football team won a national championship and numerous other national awards, and has continued being a perennial Top 25 team ever since (17 Top 25 finishes since 1977, including four in the last five years).

    After getting to the championship game in 1998, Utah has been in steady decline ever since - four losing seasons in the last six, with a humiliating loss in their only NCAA tournament appearance.

    Utah basketball is looking worse than BYU football did during the Crowton era, the only losing period that BYU has endured since LaVell took over a struggling football program in 1972 and made it a national power.

  • Lowell Chad Tempe, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    I find it ironic that the same arguments most of you Koogers use to defend your "prestigious" football program do not fly when we talk about basketball...

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Veritas Aequitas | 4:36 p.m. Feb. 7, 2011
    Fruit Heights, UT

    "(BTW, when my son grows up, he also wants to be Chris B. He wants to live in the basement, getting loaded, listening to Rush, and posting smack about BYU... But, he is only three-years-old... I'll give him time)."

    You are flat-out wrong with the above comment, and I don't appreciate it. I do not listen to Rush. :)

    (Just to show you I do have a sense of humor)

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 8, 2011 3:06 a.m.

    Aggies are having another great year under a very under-rated but fabulous coach....

    BYU is also having a good year and just may do better than any other BYU team has done in the tournament.... A lot of that will have to do with seeding I think and whether or not the Cougs can continue to play at the high level that they have been playing at... I have noticed a little less energy lately and a lot more coasting...

    A basketball season is a marathon and if you are going to do well in the tournament you have to start focusing on getting sharp in Mid February, late February and early March... We have to return to the "Take No Prisoners" mindset that we had up through the SDSU game... No more giving up 13 pt leads in the second half, protect our big men from foul trouble in the first half, maintain good spacing, and make everyone carry the scoring load...

    This team has Final Four and National Championship Potential.... The question is, "Are they hungry enough?"

  • B C Park City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2011 12:13 a.m.


    Didn't #5 Duke(21-2) just get destroyed by unranked St. John's(13-9)?

    I suppose in your book an unranked, 9th place team in the Big East destroying the best team in the ACC, proves that the ACC is no longer a power conference.

    btw, South Florida only lost 66-61 in OT to #9 Connecticut. The Huskies must not be very good either.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 7, 2011 11:33 p.m.


    It really doesn't matter whether you're impressed or not. BYUs is ranked #1 in RPI; that's all you need to know about BYU's SOS.

    If any of those Big East teams want to visit Provo to prove how tough they are, they're more than welcome. If they're soooo much better than the Cougars, they shouldn't have any trouble beating BYU in the Marriott Center.


  • OU812 Layton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    re: blue: And how many of those wins were against a power conference? Az? ranked below the mtn west, not impressed. The big east can play against 2-3 ranked teams in a week. How did you fare against the doormat of the big east south FL? thats what i thought...

  • nehu Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    Come on softshack89 don't take the bait on another Ute imposter trying to rile you up. Indeed we did lose in Provo, I do find it interesting that we played much better at BYU than Arizona or SDSU. Keep in mind we were missing our starting center for that game. Not at all saying we would have won but I think our respect is deserved when comparing to some of the more recognizable teams like SDSU and UofA.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 6:37 p.m.


    You got me thinking about the pairings for a state tournament. I think it would take a bracket of 16 for the Utes to get on the board. They would be left off of a bracket of 8.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    Feb. 7, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    How did the Utes do in the polls? Are they protecting that 'Assist/game' lead?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 7, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Will the Cougs get a #2 seed, #3 seed or #4 seed?

    If Cougs go undefeated and win MWC tournament, they will get a #2 seed. (This is what I'm predicting.)

    If the Cougs lose one regular season game (SDSU) and win MWC tournament they will get a #3 seed.

    If the Cougs lose one regular season game and don't win the MWC tournament, they will get a #4 seed.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Forget about invitations to National Tournaments... if we had an instate tournament the yewts still wouldn't qualify to be invited!

    Go Cougars and Aggies.. I love the color BLUE!

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    I definately think that USU deserves its ranking. That is a very good team and they have a very good coach. Stew Morril is another great Provo Bulldog :)

    Of course the aggie fans are only about a half a step ahead of utah "fans" in the calss department but that doesn't change the fact their basketball team is pretty good.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 7, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    Ratings are over rated. Nice to see the State of Utah recognized in football and basketball. Hoping my beloved Aggies will survive the WAC and get something going in football.
    Just wondering, how much many points is having homecourt advantage worth? I know the Spectrum is worth at least 6 points. Any takers on the Cougars homecourt advantage? Careful, this is a trick question.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 7, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Hey Crissy B.,

    I'm with you on the Chris B. imposter deal. Such a nuisance. However, determining that they are not the true Chris B. is as easy as pie...their intelligent quotients are just to darn high and they make too much sense.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    Chris B | 11:47 a.m. Feb. 7, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Another imposter. I'm flattered.

    Fact is, I hope tds rises as far as they can in the polls.


    (BTW, when my son grows up, he also wants to be Chris B. He wants to live in the basement, getting loaded, listening to Rush, and posting smack about BYU... But, he is only three-years-old... I'll give him time).

    Ya think BYU will go from #5 in the country to others recieving votes in the AP like the Mighty, PAC-12-going Utes???? (BTW, BYU football was in others recieving votes... Can't we just be friends?)

    That would make BYU basketball the Utah football team.

    That would really humble the BYU fans.

    But Ute fans are stronger. Through humiliation over time, they are accustomed to cheering on a team that loses, and not making changes...

    Go Utes, and their fans.

  • cval Hyde Park, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    Coach101 | 3:27 p.m. Feb. 7, 2011
    Houston, TX

    Hey Coach: What are you doing coming here with a positive post instead of talking trash to one team or the other (or the team not even in the discussion)?

    I'm not sure that is allowed ;-)

    Good post. I agree.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 7, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    utey...and what two tournaments will Utah not be invited to this year in 2011???
    Do you need help remembering??? One...the lesser of the two, is a 3 letter acronym while the other being the major one, is a 4 letter acronym. I'll even give you a hint. They both start with an N for the word National...Now then utey...do you think that you can take it from there and show everybody out here how smart and how crrently up to date you are in this present year.
    Thank though you for all your historical information that currently has no application much less relevence.



  • Coach101 Houston, TX
    Feb. 7, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Impressive for the state of Utah to have two top 20 teams. I think they both are for real. USU hasn't been tested to the level of BYU but they are currently blowing people away - good luck to both. The common factor with both of these fine teams is that each have a great coach.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    On the other hand, utahcountyute,

    BYU's ONE win last year is INFINITELY more than Utah has had since Dave Rose became BYU's head coach!

    The way things look up on the hill, it could be another decade before the Utes even see an NCAA tournament game, other than on television.

    Don't look now, but BYU is only one NCAA tournament appearance behind the Utes (this year is already a lock for BYU) and the chances of the Cougars catching the Utes next year are excellent.

    The Cougars already passed the Utes in the overall head-to-head rivalry.

    BYU's basketball future is RoseY; whereas prospects on the hill are Boylen over with futility.

    See you Saturday; that is, if you're brave enough to endure being Jimmered again.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:49 p.m.


    The 2 wins the Utes had to get to the sweet 16 in 2005, out numbers the total wins byU has had in the tourney since 1994. INCLUDING LAST YEAR!

    Looks like the cougs have done less! lol

    That being said, Utah stinks this year. Let's keep all this in perspective though.


  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    @Lowell Chad:

    You obviously can't do your own research. Oh, and you want to go backwards 20 years?

    If we go back 20, then we might as well go back 30, right? We might as well talk about 1984.

    No, let's just stay in the here and now - where the Mighty Cougars are doing pretty well and the tds little brothers are not doing so well:

    24-2 BYU (after this week is over)
    10-15 tds (utah) the runnin' red-headed step child (after this week is over)

    Things will most likely improve going forward to the conference of champions.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    Lowell Chad:

    How has Arizona done against BYU the last two years?


    Seriously, past history has very little relevance.

    SDSU had never been ranked -- until this year.

    SDSU has never won an NCAA tournament game.

    So, are you ready to bet the ranch on the Aztecs NOT winning a tournament game this year?

    If you're really looking for comparisons to BYU's past history, however, compare how well a sick Jimmer played last year with how well Jimmer is playing this year. Then, compare how BYU did in the tournament the last time the Cougars had a national player of the year.

    BYU's three NCAA tournament wins in the last 20 years could easily double THIS YEAR!

    Stay tuned!

    btw, BYU hasn't lost to a lower seeded team in the tournament since the 70's.

    (Just to clarify: An 8/9 matchup is a tossup - the only difference between an 8 and 9 seed, is the 8 seed gets to wear their light-colored home jerseys.)

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    Lowell Chad
    Now you Utesies are using the past to talk about the relevant present? Nice.

    Remember 1984? When you win an NC come back and we'll talk.

    And the Utesies haven't done much of anything in the tourney since 1999, so what's the point again?

  • Rock Chalk BYU Lawrence, KS
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    News flash, this year's BYU team does not have to play in 20 years worth of tournaments, they only have to play in this year's tournament. Who cares about the last 20 years? I don't. How many people in the program have even been around for six years?, let alone 20.

    They got put out by a very good #2 seed K-state last year. Does it reflect poorly on Dave, Jimmer, and the Gang because they didn't pull of an upset? I don't think so.

  • softshack89 Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Helloooo, that's an interesting comment, provided that USU lost to BYU this year.

  • Lowell Chad Tempe, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    How has BYU done in the NCAA tournament over the last 20 years?

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    Go Aggies the best team in Utah

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:44 p.m.


    the Cougars are here in the rankings and so are the Aggies.

    We seem to be missing someone. Hmmmm......who could THAT be?

    Oh, that's right, BYU's little brother, the Utes.

    yewties, oh, yewties!!....where are you?.....

    (Hee! Hee! And, yes, I did enjoy that a lot!)

  • TexasAg Humble, TX
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    Well deserved ranking for the Aggies!!!

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    I saw the coaches show last night and saw two players that are redshirting this year for the BYU basketball team. They both look outstanding and one was making shots that Jimmer is this year. BYU will be just fine for the forseeable future. BYU will be just fine Chris B.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Actually christina it is you that should be happy that utah will be playing in a much weaker conference next year. I don't think it will result in any more wins for the utes but they probably won't wind up on the wrong end of many 104-79 scores. In a weak basketball conference like the pac10 they will probably only lose by 10-15 points most of the time.

  • Chris Bryant Centerville, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    hi! Im Chris B! My last name is Bryant!

    TDS will be lucky to win one game in the tourney. Mark it Down!

  • DixieAggie St.George, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:22 p.m.


  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Chris B.
    Even if BYU fell, which I predict and mark down, will not happen. It still wouldn't come close to the monumental and colossal freefall of the overrated Utesie football team. Once again you spout drivel on a legit top ten team and have nothing to back it up but your closet obsession with BYU and Jimmer.

    Let's also see how your Utesies fare in the PAC-12 next year. Guaranteed it is going to be ugly and embarrassing.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Utah is fortunate to have two such teams to follow in the same season.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Chris_B | 10:41 a.m. Feb. 7, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Another imposter. I'm flattered.

    Fact is, I hope tds rises as far as they can in the polls. The fall will be that much farther and sweeter. Enjoy the ride, cewgs, because after The Jimmer leaves, you've got nothin'. Be glad you're leaving the conference next year, cause it would not be pretty.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Congratulations Cougars on another outstanding week!

    #7 BYU(22-2), ranked #1 in RPI, has now beaten three ranked teams:

    #6 SDSU(23-1) -- co-MWC leader
    #15 Arizona(20-4) -- PAC 10 leader
    #21 Utah St(22-2) -- WAC leader

    plus four "others receiving votes" teams

    St Mary's(20-4) -- WCC leader
    UTEP(18-4) -- C-USA leader

    UNLV(17-6) and CSU(16-7)

    and another conference leader

    Vermont(19-5) -- America East leader

    BYU continues to build a great resume for the Selection Committee.

  • Chris_B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Notice wins over 3 of those Top 25: SDSU, UA, & USU. And over 2 others receiving votes: SMC & UNLV! TDS has earned their #1 RPI for sure! Go Kewgs!

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 7, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    USU is playing great basketball. You will be hard pressed to find a better balanced team. Boise still has no idea what hit them Saturday.

    Look for Aggies to keep moving up as they go undefeated in the WAC.