Trueman that is the most pathetic post I have ever read.Did you know
that there is no "union" in Utah.Teachers don't have to
pay dues like in other states.They can join an association of
teachers if they choose to. Where my kids go to school, less than
half o the teachers belong to the UEA.The UEA serves on purpose in
Utah.It is the lightning rod for all the hate out there. Our republican legislature loves the UEA because it takes all of the blame for
the problems in Utah which actually stem from being the lowest funded education
system in the USA.I see they have done their magic on you Trueman.
Your post is exactly what the legislators love to see.They are playing you like a fiddle.Unfortunately it is our kids
that suffer in classrooms of 40.
To most of you teacher's who have posted your comments herein. Why do all of
you think throwing more money at the problem will fix public education. How
about for a start all you teachers take all the money you pay your unions and
place those funds in an account that can be used to lower the classroom size.
But of course you will not.Many of you teachers are just cry babies.
You surely did not become a teacher for the money, so if you're not in teaching
for the love of the job, then find work elsewhere, and stop your complaining.
We have 183 days in our school year. Utah always seems to be looking for a new
gimmick to avoid doing the necessary work of providing a good education for all
of the children.
If there were one simple rule put into place in our schools, the 5 fewer days
would make no difference to our children's education: Cut out the use of all
videos in classrooms. That would take care of four of the days in a school
year. Second rule: Cut way down on pep assemblies, student body officer led
assemblies, etc. and stay in class. That about takes care of the fifth day.
Those of you who think all that's going on in school is education are out of
touch. There is a great deal of time wasted.I don't see the point
of all the teacher bashing in these comments, by the way.
It is not the teachers responsibility to raise my kids it is mine. My kids get
good grades and do well in school not only because they have good teachers, it
is because they have parents who care. We love to spend time with our kids. The
number of school hours is not as important as what they are learning. If the
parents give thier kids the gift of thier time and show them how to learn, the
kids will always love to learn.
Is anyone saying that with all the extra hours teachers put in during the school
year they make up for the weeks they are off in the summer? Teachers are
salaried. What difference does it make if they are working 5 less days? Other countries have longer days and more days per year. Teachers know the salary range before becoming teachers. Many make more than
the families of kids in the class.
What's the difference between a teacher and a pizza? A pizza can feed a family
It's always a useful trip to that website that lists all of the teachers'
salaries/benefits and try not and pull out a violin at the complaints that
$50-75,000 a year for 9 months work is a burden. Sure, teachers who are just
starting off are paid less, but go ahead and see what your child's teacher is
being paid before you feel too badly for them. Public info like this is
categorized as part of UTAHS RIGHT to know, if you catch my drift.
The WPU allocated by the state for funding is not the total per pupil
expenditure in our state. But when we add in property taxes and anything else
including federal funds that helps to fund education in Utah, we still are lower
than any other state in TOTAL FUNDING per student. In fact we are less than 60%
of the average total funding per student.As far as the number of
school days, in 1959 when I graduated from Davis High School, the days per
school year was 172. I've still got the old report cards to document that
To Vidar - be a teacher and 180 days is all the days you get to be paid for. Oh
wait a minute, you will also get 21 more hours to put together a classroom for
the year, prepare curriculum for the entire year, grade papers, give out grades,
learn how to give the students a mountain load of mandated tests, learn how to
interpret the results of those tests, and then take down the classroom for the
I wish I only had to work 180 days a year
They might as well not be in school anyway; they don't want to be there and just
waste it when they are.
FreeThinker - I have also heard, "Teach a man to fish and he will be gone
for the weekend."I don't believe any state has the answers to
what ails education - whether it be public or private. I don't see either of
these systems producing the geniuses that many of you are expecting. Alta Dude - you truly are making up your own 'facts'.jery27 - so
what did you do about the marquee issue? Anything? Did you contact the school
and voice your disapproval? metamoracoug is right - far too often
the problems lie with the parents and home environment which is where
education's foundation is built.
Free Thinker, Once in a great while one of these "comments" is well
written, concise and is meaningful. Your comment today wins the prize for this
week! Well done!!
Sorry Jotab. I have subbed in Cache Valley and loved it. Am now a North
Westerner keen to the horrendous and universal waste in public schools coast to
coast. I have picked up many pencils some of which were intentionally broken. No
pencil no work.Just call any school paper suppliers and get a dose
of the expense incurred in paper consumption alone. With gunshy
administrators booting kids out of school for making a diorama with three inch
soldiers holding inch long guns, and suspending a West Point bound student for
five weeks because of an emergency kit containing a two inch knife I wonder.
School tech equipment competes with ipods and cell phones, and you punish the
Well parents, you get what you pay for. If you want to crowd the schools with a
dozen kids, yet still take all those tax exemptions, this is what happens. Just
one more reason I send my kids to private school. And public school teachers,
what's with all the breaks? Schools starts, then you immediately take 3 days
off for UEA? Then a bunch of random Mondays and Fridays for "comp
days" and "grade transmittal days"? And nothing is more
socialist than a school district. Look at how many administrative positions
there are, with useless employees feasting on YOUR tax dollars. Good luck to
any kid who attends public school.
"Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day.""Teach a
man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.""Teach a man
to teach others to fish, and you feed a community"The above are
paraphrases of the oft used sayings about helping someone out.I am
not going to comment on if taxes should be raised, if teachers are doing a good
/ bad job, if administrators should / shouldn't be paid less.All I
want to get across is that the value a society places on educating itself will
go a long way toward dictating how that society with ultimately benefit / not
benefit in the future. As a society, we need, every one of us, to value
education. If we are a parent, we need to teach that to our children in word
and deed. If we no longer have children at home, we need to promote this to
those who view us as a positive influence. Society does not die from the top
down, it is generally from the bottom up. It is time to put the proper value on
education. Starting with me.
I assume they're cutting the days when they study how the state legislature
That is pitiful. I go to Woods Cross High School and when I heard that they were
going to cut two days from the school year, I was appalled. It's really very
scary when the schools can't afford to stay open for as long as they should
have.And yet, we still spend money one things we don't need! My
family got a letter earlier this week asking for donations for a $60,000 marquee
the school wants! How dare they ask for money for such a useless thing. They
could spend that money on so many other useful things, like the art department
which has nearly run out of funds. It's disgusting
Five days? I have students that leave on vacation for longer than that. Not
just leave for vacation, but do so after a long, 2-week winter break. Glut of
supplies? I have spare pencils and pens that I pick up from the hallways before
the custodians sweep. In doing this years' taxes, my wife tells me that she is
finally getting tired of having to buy so much for school supplies for my
students. Oh, and just to set the record straight, I, and many of the teachers
you put down, are still spending those five days correcting papers, creating
lesson plans, and stressing over the amount of information that will drain from
these students' heads before they return. How about for the five days, parents
turn off the TV and game systems, take away their phones and ipods, and set them
to reading, visiting the library, going to the museum, or even having them do
the homework they haven't yet started that was probably due two weeks ago. It's
time for parents to also get a backbone with their children, and be part of the
solution, not part of the problem.
Dear Uthasshellgame,Please give some data to back up your misguided and
ridiculous claims. Seriously, glut of teacher supplies, lowest salaries for
teachers just in their firs four years, and highest administrative salaries? I
suppose the groups such as the Chambers of Commerce, EDC Utah, and other
noneducational groups that are calling for greater investment in education are
wrong as well. You say we have the finest buildings but support
equailization which is only designed around capital outlay for buildings, that
seems odd. Non-partisan groups such as the Utah Foundation have
provided excellent research to show our lack of effort in funding and what it
would provided to our students. Go to their website and get some real facts!
The headline should read; "Administration in Public Education should be cut
in lean times, Student services are cut instead". Public
Education in Utah is funded better than most States. Only the small pot of the
WPU is kept intentionally low. It is a lie and a manipulation to say
Utah has the lowest WPU in the nation. Other States count local property taxes,
etc. into the calculation. Utah has the highest class room size,
fewest school days, and lowest salaries for teachers in their first four years
of teaching. With all this, it is easy to "Feed the Pig" of the UEA/
Public Education increases.Utah population does not seem to notice
that we have the Highest administrator salaries, the finest buildings, and a
glut of teacher supplies. Support equalization of school funding
before you support raising taxes!
One way or another, Utah will get rid of that pesky evil communist public
education, even if we have to whittle it down corner by corner over several
years! We need to save all our money for undefendable symbolic message bills so
we can beat our chests at the evil communist feds.
As the saying goes, "You get what you pay for." And Utah's education
system is no exception. Through their refusal to adequately fund education, our
legislature seems bent on making sure Utah's public school system continues to
drop in quality. Fewer days in school, more kids in each classroom. Hmmm,
seems like Utah's motto ought to be "Stack 'em deep and sell them
I would have no problem with kids spend less time at school if they were getting
a better education at home. Most of them, however, are not being given chores,
have no family responsibilities, and are allowed unlimited access to whatever
electronic devise they want to entertain themselves. As parents (yes, I include
myself!), we've forgotten that it is what our kids learn at home that will
ultimately serve them best. As parents, we need to be the best educators of our
Wow, what a great way to outcompete our rival nations. In the last 3
years, China started graduating more PhD engineers and scientists than the USA.
India is less than 5% away from matching the US output too.So, while
the backbone of programs like the space race, our leadership in medical
innovations, and our development of high tech weapon for the military (you can't
make these things without highly educated/trained scientists and engineers) is
slipping away.Cutting the days in the class room does not help us
maintain our leadership position.Seems to me that the people
screaming about keeping taxes low really just want us to compete with India and
China by producing workers who are happy with low wages.Raise my
taxes and keep the kids in school!!!
Public schools are slow to change their ways and our society as a whole needs to
take a hard look at the way education is structured. Given that we have the
technology to deliver content over the internet, and the availability of
computer adaptive testing (where a student's answers--right or wrong--dictate
the nature of the next questions), etc., just how large a factor does
"babysitting" play? Do parents really want their children
at home more often? I don't think so. I believe you
could cut out 50% or more of what passes for "education" if
babysitting wasn't a factor and resources were directed to home based education
via the internet.It could work...but unless we are willing to
acknowledge the elephant in the room (the babysitting factor), then education
will continue to progress at its elephantine pace and we'll be wringing our
hands and worrying about how far we are falling behind the Chinese, Koreans,
Japanese, etc., as a result of our poor educational system.