I'm looking forward to BYU's next six years.I'm thinking it will be
comparable to watching BYU-Utah in basketball the past few years.20,000 in RES, 5000 in the HC.And so it goes, everything falls
back to normal.
I am just please that the Y's effort to get athletes.
BYU may not have gotten as many players with as many stars as UT, but lets look
at the schools BYU beat to get these players. Mathews-OR,KA,UCLA,ND,AZ UtahPrichard ORSTKursea OR STAN CO
UtahEdwards STAN AZ MO CINN UtahOlomua NE AZST AZ CO UtahKaufusi STANRede OR ORST KA WA WAST STANPulispher OR ORST UCLA USC
WA BSU STANLesatele WA UCLA WAST ORSTTaosinga WAST UtahHeder
NE LSU TENN STAN PSU BSU OR UtahJorgenson ND UCLARawlinson OKST
UtahHadley WASTAnybody see a pattern here? BYU beat out Utah
for many of these players. If Utah wanted them then they must be world beaters.
However, if you are good enough for OR NE LSU PSU STAN UCLA OKST
ORST BSU WA AZ AZST ND MO or KA then you are good enough for BYU. These guys fit BYU but they were good enough to go a lot of places just as
good or better than Utah.Time will tell if any of them are any good.
Utah gets more talent. BYU does more with its talent. BYU does need more talent at key positions.
Come on everyone! Stop feeding these two idiots' ego by repeatedly being
defensive and printing their names in your comments.I want to read
BYU comments from BYU fans. Don't react and simply ignore their remarks. These
articles end up being bashing back and forth instead of responding to the
article itself.Again, please ignore, don't print their names, and
don't respond. I love BYU and enjoy the great articles written about
our wonderful school whether it be in sports, ballroom dancing, academics or
Very impressive list of schools which "also recruited" these
signees!!! I just had a difficult time reconciling this article with the rating
services, Rival, Scout, and ESPN. All this "recruiting" resulting in
5 players receiving an offer from a school other than the Y!!! (Scout indicated
10) With 4 offers coming from a BCS school. Total non-BYU scholarships to
these players was 17!!! (One Utah recruit, according to these same services
received 14 offers!) I don't doubt Mr. Harmon but I'm not certain a
form letter addressed to "whomever" really counts as recruiting.
Serious interest is an offer or even better a "visit" to the school at
its expense!!!Care to rewrite this article based on this criteria?
"So it seems to me that for BYU to reach the next level, they need to get
more 5 star players"Fan32,The universe of
"talent" the tds has to work with will never get them to the next
level. Just except what you have to work with.
Some ute fans love it when BYU looks to lose. No wonder they're ute fans.For me, I like winners. Football and basketball--The cougs are number 1
in the conference with more victories & championships, and in all other
sports as well. Something the utes will never taste.
UMMM IF there was a 5 star LDS kid you know BYU would be going nuts to get him.
Ben Olsen was thee number uno rated QB coming out of HS, and he played in a
competitive conf as well. Went on a mission and never looked the same.
Well, not to take Christine's side, but aside from the "big" rule TJ
cites, there are some lesser-known BYU rules that betray a tendency to confuse
morality with personal taste and cross the line from "helpful" to
"meddlesome." I speak as a bona fide one-time testing center
"beard card" recipient. But I digress . . All these
rankings are comical. Given, most times a 5-star player will turn out better
than a 2-star, but who decides things like "Hmm . . this guy is the #34
offensive tackle in the West, and this guy is the #24 offensive tackle in the
West." To call these lists imprecise is being kind. Recruiting is probably
half legit research and half blind luck.The Y gets who they get.
After Ben Olsen and Chris Burgess, it's obvious that going nuts over the
"popular" kid is a waste of energy. Go after the "right"
type of kid for the program and do the best you can. I want Coug players who
really want to be there, regardless of what Rivals says.
Chrissy;Which silly rules are you talking about? Can you be specific?No Alcohol, No drugs, Attend religion classes, Be respectful to women(no
immoral relationships outside of marriage). No stealing or getting in trouble
with the law. Live a high character life?Are these the silly rules? No wonder you don't get it. It is a matter of class and you have NONE.It
just kills you and hedgie and the rest of the no-class crew that BYU's
"Sunday School Boys" are so successful. Your burned up with jealousy
and obsession and you can't stay away from anything related to BYU. Sounds like
you left BYU for honor code violations and did not have the humility to overcome
and return. Or did an LDS girl (or boy) reject you?Sad, sad people with
sad, sad lives.It is just going to get worse for you as BYU continues to
become more nationally relevant and successful. Have a nice day :)
Does anyone know of any studies done on how the stars of the recruits translate
into final college rankings. I will bet there is a very close relationship
between number of 5 star recruits and a school's final year end ranking. Yes
there are exceptions to the rule and BYU is full of overachievers which spells
good for the coaches and the players. I just remember watching the Florida State
game in Prove 2 years ago and there just seemed to be more talent and speeed in
the first 10 players that came out of the locker room than the entire BYU team
put together. So it seems to me that for BYU to reach the next level, they need
to get more 5 star players. That is going to hard for BYU to do. A BCS bowl
every year or so for BYU might just be too high of a hill to climb.
Uteology | 1:41 p.m. Feb. 3, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @Buster===Ouch, call me a different name. That hurt. Doesn't make a
point, but you never do.Read the post I was responding to, and
address the issue, rather than take offf on a meaningless rant.BYU
has athletic players.Show me any National Awards ever aquired by
your Ute "Athletes".(Sorry, the great programs don't hang
bowl banners from their stadium -- leaving out the most recent loss and score
from the Vegas Bowl).BTW, the first BCS Bowl Utah won was during the
Urban Meyer era. Do you claim that one?Uteology vs Reality.I choose...Reality.
Why are those USC players transferring to the Cougs? They'll look better in
The 2 USC transfers that should start in 2011 were rated as a 6.0 and 5.9 on
Rivals when they were signed by USC. Both of them competed against great players
at USC and should contribute to bolster the defense. As a comparison, Langi was
rated a 5.8 and Matthews was rated a 5.8. Utah did get far more 5.7 than BYU and
props to your recruiters selling the program better. BYU will be fine and so
will the Utes. BYU picked up good players that will complement what we already
have. Now work hard and keep the Honor Code. I'll be rooting for you.
Not that there is a direct correlation here, but Jimmer only had one other
scholarship offer besides BYU and that was to Siena. I bet if the Dukes and
North Carolinas of the world knew how good Jimmer was going to be, Jimmer would
not have been in a BYU uniform. BYU did their homework. Everyone
else pales in comparison. I think Bronco did his homework with this recruiting
class and we'll see plenty of "Jimmers" out there making tackles and
running the ball faster than the competition. They say you can't
teach speed and I say "Watch me." When they introduce a new flavor at
the BYU creamery I run fasster than anyone. :) I bet Bronco can motivate his
guys to get super quick and such.
You know what Chris. I'll bet Kyle would love some kind of honor code among his
players. I really saves a lot of embarrassment to the school and the coaches
when players don't get stupid and start shoving and yelling and screaming during
the bowl game introductory banquet like what happened this year with players
from Boise St. I found that to be totally embarrassing. You probably think that
it is appropriate behavior. Life is totally about honor and doing what is right.
Remember that you are CANNON FODDER in almost every sport. Do you know how to
spell HAMMERED? Watch the injuries pile up this fall in the PAC 10+2.Jeff
Dear Ute...I mean Cougarology No I don't stalk you. You come into my
den every day with your vast knowledge of BYU information and sit down covering
everything to do with BYU. Every article, every newspaper, day and night, rain
or shine. Stalking...no...can't even avoid you.Point #2, Take a
careful look at the four out of five you are so proud of (which you should be).
Which ones are running backs? Which ones are wide receivers? Other
positions?Now think about it...can't give you to many hints
here...catching a glimmer yet?Strength of a good debater is they can
put themselves in the other persons point of view and understand it. Appreciate
it even. You really should change the name...or go enjoy your own
team while we enjoy ours. You'll feel better.
@SLCWatchAnd there are reasons valid and important reasons that BYU
is not ranked on Rivals.---------------The
"research" shows according to Rivals that:Utah, BYU, and
Stanford all have 19 recruits, the difference is the perceived talent level:1) Standford has just ONE 2-star recruit2) Utah has 33) BYU
has 9For comparisons Washington State has 13 2-stars.So
as much as BYU fans hate to admit, talent wise BYU is more on par with
Washington State. The recent NFL draft also backs this observation. As one BYU fan observed this is the first year Utah as outranked BYU in 6
years. Which is true and same for TCU with a #27 class. Yet both teams have
done more with less on the field.
UteologyUtah prides itself on finding "diamonds in the
rough" and yet you would have us believe that these hit-or-miss rating
services are the end-all, be-all of an athlete's true potential.Just
remember,Stars don't make the player,the player makes himself
a star!I'll take a one- or two-star player who works his butt off to
excel ANYDAY over a prima-donna 4- or 5-star recruit who thinks his raw talent
alone will make him him a star.Signing day is a mirage. Some of these signees will never make it to campus. Some will be
injury-ridden and never live up to their potential. Some will ride
the pine for their entire college career and never make a significant
contribution to the program.And a few, will become stars.It's impossible to predict who the true stars will be on signing day.If stars are the only thing that mattered, Utah can kiss any chance of EVER
winning a PAC 12 championship goodbye, because the Utes will NEVER out recruit
The Cougs B-ball team and Pigskin team can scrimmage now. :) No one will be
able to guard Jimmer, though. I don't think anyone can.I know that
the Cougs were seriously considering suiting up Matt Montague for football when
he was on campus. He had those bulging biceps and could drill 3's all day
long.Has there ever been a football player to play b-ball or
pigskinner to play b-ball? Greg Kite? Jason Buck? Both were tall and mean.
@BusterBYU will never win anything special like:A
National ChampionshipHeismanMultiple Outland Trophies.Four
Davey Obrien AwardsDoak Walker AwardMaxwell Award---------------Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't all those
awards and trophies achieved with Edwards' recruits? The last time you played
in January was when Chow was a Cougar. My have times changed, you
went from Steve Young to Max Hall.Congrats on ESPN!!
@SLCWatchHow do you know what I post, when, and where? Are stalking
my blog posts?Rivals shows BYU and Utah both with 19 recruits, so
whats the reason? One of the reasons BYU class wasn't as good was the fact that
Utah took 4 of the top 5 recruits from the State.
It really sounds like the u fans are really getting worried about the Cougs
this time around. They just can't seem to remember from one year to the next.
They seem confused all the time and don't remember what the article's about.
Well, I for one will be so excited for this year's football season to start.
Glory to the Cougs and big 'ol tears for the u. I can almost see the streams of
tears coming from the hill when their mighty team finishes near the bottom of
the pack. What fun it will be to comment then.
Uteology: I asked you this once before but are you sure about your
screen name? Wouldn't Cougarology be better? Since you do write a majority of
the time about the Cougars and not the Utes.And it is unique that
BYU got 7 players 6'6" and taller. Utah got one 6'6" recruit. The
rest are shorter.And there are reasons valid and important reasons that
BYU is not ranked on Rivals if you cared to think about it. But that would fall
outside of "Uteology".
Time will tell. Like with Eric Weddle, a 2-star recruit. As a Y fan, I liked
last year's class more because of the national prestige/rankings, but this
year's class seems capable of developing into a championship team alongside
proven talent like Heaps, Quezada, DeLuigi, Hoffman, Apo, Reynolds, Van Noy,
Kaveinga, Pendleton, Dulan, Sorenson...DBs are always the concern but I trust
Bronco to have team ready come September.
crowntown1: If you are not part of this little rivalry, why are you
always writing on BYU articles? Haven't seen you on Utah articles unless it is
to poke at BYU. I suspect you're into this like Brairfox and the tar
babies story more than you think.
Chris, I realize this is like talking to a wall, but try to stay with me here.
I agree, many "athletes" DON'T want to live by the honor code, and
kudos to Bronco for not trying to force the proverbial round pegs into square
holes. But hard as it may be for you to understand, many "athletes"
(even non-LDS) actually DO want to live a lifestyle supported by the honor code
-- not just because the "silly rules" force them to -- and welcome an
evironment that supports it, without being mocked, belittled or
"peer-pressured". Seems to have worked well for Josh Quezada, Curtis
Brown, O'Neil Chambers, etc. It just seems to tear you apart that
BYU's "non-athletes" keep competing year-after-year with utah's
"athletes". Hmmmm. Could it be BECAUSE of the honor code?
Re: CBNever talk before you know the outcome BYU basketball won and
your utes lost again.LOLOLOLIt is to easy CB !
I am very excited for the potential these new "Cougars " have for the
future for BYU football. The returning players from the mission field however,
will be expected to walk on and slug it out. Bronco needs some of these players
so that he can have them represent the Return Missionary mystic that is used to
showcase the unique and different environment the Church owned school
represents. According to Bronco, the football program is an
important missionary tool for the LDS church similar to the Tabernacle Choir
and the full time missionary force.Bronco, stated last Saturday at
the Meet the Juniors that the leaders of the LDS church need the football
program to help spread the mission of the church and that if you could not buy
into this philosophy then this program is not for you, so do not waist your time
and ours go to another program that fits your expectations. To bad
Bronco does not encourage players themselves to opt for the full time missionary
service, instead of playing, there appears to be a type of philosophical
disconnect ?What makes this program special is the return missionary
angle, just sayin.PCN
Chris B | 5:43 p.m. Feb. 2, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT News Flash to
Bronko:Athletes do not want to play at BYU. Ocassionally you'll get
one who just loves the honor code, but 99 out of 100 athletes don't want to come
within 100 miles of any silly rules like that.U want to know Y you
haven't been to a bcs game or had an undefeated, unike Us(twice), tcu(twice),
boise(twice), or hawaii?they all have athletes. You don't.Nor will you ever. ===Chris is rightUnless BYU
recruits athletes, they will never reach the great heights the U has reached.BYU will never win anything special like:A National
ChampionshipHeismanMultiple Outland Trophies.Four Davey Obrien
AwardsDoak Walker AwardMaxwell AwardThey will be stuck
on ESPN, broadcasting all of their games nationally on Saturdays (except
conference weekend).Oh, and BYU will be stuck without any thug
athletes because of the darn honor code.I'm guessing Chris has a
different idea of what success is.
I thought DuPaix was brought in to make Skyline High the 2nd feeder school
behind Bingham High?
Breaking news... All schools target tall, athletic players every year.An 8 page article on BYU 2011 class that isn't even in the top 50 at Rivals?
LOL I want you to picture a member of the media asking Bronco, "So what
kind of tall are we talking about?" Now look at picture of Bronco above and
I thank my lucky stars that I do not associate with this rivalry/ It's really
pathetic the smack you guys talk on each other. Who cares! Your bYU and Utah/
@Chrissy B. and Hedgie And Oh Yes I forgot ...Jason Buck's Butcus award
too...we have,,,You haven't!
@Chrissy B.And you were saying???? Come on Chrissy tell us how we
lost to Wyoming tonight....a win is a win...and your record is pretty lousey.Scoobie
Based on your previous history Chrissy...That literally translates to we've
(BYU) already won
byu basketball about to lose to wyoming....loving it!
Hey Hedgie, you must have read a different article than I did. The above
article I read gave a very good accounting, with references, for BYU's recruits.
In fact, there were some there that Utah recruited, and several recruited by
BCS schools. I haven't read the Utah recruits article, but after reading BYU's,
don't think it is necessary to do so.Conversely, you read ALL of BYU's
articles, several times over. You seem to like your own posts, as you go back
and read the responses to your posts. You must have an inferiority complex big
time. After I post, I do not go back to see what someone has said in response
to my posts. I don't care what they say. I have my say and I am done. Thank
you for you love of BYU Cougar FB!
Hedgie....You're slobbering all over yourself...could barely make out what you
were saying and Chrissy B. your pathetic...same resoning as to why you utey's
haven't won a National Championship (we have) or a Heisman (we have) or a Doke
Walker(we have) or a Davie O'Brian (we have=3) or an Outland (we Have=2) So you have two undefeated seasons...but even though we only have one
ours ended in a National Championship...Oh well...If close or also ran is good
enough for you that's ok by me. But until you start picking up some nationally
recognized Hardware you've got a lot of nothing. You will never be anything til
you lose that " I'm satisfied to just make it into the BCS
attitude..." while wagging your little tails eating scraps....Untilthen you
will remain out of the big game and out of the National Championship. Good Luck
in the PAC. I sincerely mean that. But you certainly have a big wakeup call
coming...and you certainly don't realize just how big.Scoobie
Oops sorry Cougar Claws, I seriously doubt Chris B could ever do that. Unless he
was willing to expose his true identity, we will never know. An educated man
would never actually speak like Chris B or hedgehog, they are most likely just
UTE fans and not graduates. Their lack of intelligence is just too overwhelming
to prove otherwise.
Congratulations Utah for winning the first recruiting battle in like 6 years,
way to freaking go.Get off our articles. No one cares what you have
to say. And Chris B, the "silly rules" are in place to
keep our kids from becoming losers like you. It helps us get places, and in the
words of the NCAA, helps our kids go pro "in something other than
sports," which I know is a concept you don't grasp but if you can ever get
your head around it you might actually succeed in life.
I feel sorry for Chris B and Hedgehog. It must be rough to live such miserable
lives that you have to be so concerned about BYU sports. Deep down you are both
scared about Jake Heaps upside at QB and the downside of the QBs at Utah. I
think BYU will go 3-0 againts the Utes the next three years and I thnk you both
know that is is inevitable too.How about the Utes in Basketball?
Not much to cheer about is there?
Isn't it funny that Chris B and hedgehog are always the first to post on BYU
articles. News flash Chris B, (and Hedgehog for that matter) you said it
yourself, BYU is not all about football. There is more to BYU than just football
and it bothers you so much that we can bring in mediocre athletes and still
compete. Having an undefeated season would be nice but, it does not rule or
define BYU. The honor code will always be there and for true BYU fans, we know
that but we still support them. If we never win a BCS game or a National
Championship, BYU will not fall apart and we will still support them. Hopefully
some day, Utah can build a stadium that seats 65,000 and hopefully all of Utah's
dreams will come true and hopefully Utah will maybe some day win a national
championship and I will be there chearing them on but guess what, we will still
have the honor code and we aren't going to settle on that no matter how Utah
does. So, keep spewing your hate, it shows how childish you really are.
"BYU signed seven high school recruits who are taller than 6-foot-6 on
Wednesday, one of them Springville's 6-8 and basketball player Matt Sumsion who
told Bronco Mendenhall he wanted to play tight end..."They are tall, can
run and are good athletes," said Mendenhall"hmm, but can
they play football let go to scout,ESPN and Rivals and find out - shall we Rival - N/R ( not even a profile)ESPN - 45 score ( lowest a
prospect can have) no other programs intrested besides BYUScout 2 star (no
other programs interested besides BYUYou got to wonder if this is a
knee jerk reaction in trying to get "more athletic" as oppossed to
getting athletic football players.
Chris B nice to see you back on the BYU boards what is your prediction for the
record of this recruiting class in six years. 0-12 or 1-11?
What is great about BYU is that there is always a new batch of RM's coming home
to compliment the program.Many of these kids were 3 and 4 stars
coming out, and of course are not factored into this years scorecard.The USC transfer was a 4 star. BYU had a great recruiting class
last year, and yet many of those kids won't be seen for 2 to 3 years.
News Flash to Bronko:Athletes do not want to play at BYU.
Ocassionally you'll get one who just loves the honor code, but 99 out of 100
athletes don't want to come within 100 miles of any silly rules like that.U want to know Y you haven't been to a bcs game or had an undefeated,
unike Us(twice), tcu(twice), boise(twice), or hawaii?they all have
athletes. You don't.Nor will you ever.
Utes seemed to like home cooking and Bingham High. I think the Y was ranked,
maybe not as high as last year but ranked somewhere.
Does anybody know about the Jordan Smith kid from Spanish Fork? Didn't he serve
a mission and everything? He was a tall, athletic kid who is going to be very
important at filling in WR depth. I know that we will have Hoffman and Apo as
the two outside guys, but Smith will be important to the future 2 man rotation.
Not to mention Adam Hine is back. I know he was recruited as a running back, but
his body type and athletic ability would make him an awesome WR. Some people
mentioned that he should be a DB, but there is more depth there than some people
think. I think he would see the field the most and make the most of his athletic
ability at WR. This might sound kind of crazy, but I think that from top to
bottom on the whole depth chart our DBs are more athletic than our WRs right
now, and so I think adding Adam at WR is not only important for depth, but so
that he can be a future starter. I think he was planning on redshirting. This
would be the perfect time to learn the position.
bRoko: "Joe Dupaixfrom the Navy Academy, will bring BYU up to date in the
use of technology to where BYU isn't just recruiting a state"No
wonder Y brokos recruiting class is unranked, he didn't know how to use of a
smartphone and that twitter made him all twitter-y. Now if they utilize those
"flying machines" they can get beyond Bingham High.LOL!
Good philosphy, as opposed to targeting short, unathletic players.