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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 2 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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Striker
Omaha, NE

hog, having a down year with new players doesn't put the team out of the national competition. Bronco has has many 10 plus win seasons and now has a new staff with amazing backgrounds.

By the way, thanks for mentioning NATIONAL. Fits well before championship doesn't it? You're probably not familiar with that math equation though.

IJ
Hyrum, Ut

Sorry hedgehog, Bluto is correct. Mac wanted to play at ND but they did not come calling. That is why he ended up at BYU.
Many interesting comments. High school is one thing, college quite another. The heart will determine who goes where, not the stars.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Looks like a dearth of stars in this years BYU recruiting class has helped the Cougar Nation realize that stars don't really matter after all.

DaveKnowsWhatsUp
Bloomington, IN

But Hedgie,

You haven't answered the question yet, now that Utah and BYU have essentially parted ways, why do you continue to care so much about BYU? The only other team you have even mentioned today is Notre Dame, and that was in regards to McMahon. What is the fascination?

Duckhunter
American Fork, UT

Not many more stars in utahs howard. Looks like you just suspend reality to try and make false points.

TJ
Eagle Mountain, UT

The no-class crews whiney, cracking junior high voices are getting desperate now. Where are all your stars girls? I think all the 4 stars guys are waiting to see if other schools are still interested. In the mean time, your obsession is signing the types of athletes who will be worthy of the national prominence and respect they have earned.

Big_Ben
Centerville, UT

@TJ

overcoming drug addiction is possible.

nottyou
Riverton, UT

The Utes recruiting class of 2011 can be summed up in one phrase: even a blind squirrel will find a nut every now and then. The Utes are going to get worked their first few seasons in the PAC12.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Re: Duckhunter

The sudden realization that star count doesn't matter that much is curious given the Cougar Nations collective hyper-ventilation over a certain 5 star QB before he had even taken a D1 snap.

I wonder if the Nation would be hyper-ventilating if there were a 5 star stud in this year's class, or if they would still think that stars don't matter?

Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

@Hedgie
Sorry friend... You have it sort of backwards. Notre Dame didn't bother to back up any interest in Mac. It was all pretty much one sided after Dan Devine learned that Mac was blind in one eye. That's why one of the big 3 tv networks did a documentary entitled "The Devine Mistake" after Mac set 71 NCAA passing records creating 17 new catagories never before tracked. Mac's place in the history of NCAA football will always be tied only to BYU...Notre Dame wouldn't even acknowledge him let alone even open the door.

As usual you are way off the mark Hedgie!

Scoobie

Bugoff
Houston, TX

Yes some college walkons play in the NFL and some 5 star recruits bust.

However, the odds are with the higher star players. If BYU had all 4 and 5 star recruits they would win more games.

BYU's biggest problem is not getting good enough players at key positions.

Duckhunter
American Fork, UT

howard are you trying to compete with wedgie and christina for biggest dimwit?

No one says the star system is completely worthless, just that it has limitations. I'm not sure why you love it so much considering that utah isn't exactly hauling in the 4 stars either and aren't even close to sniffing any 5 stars.

I think it is fairly accurate on ranking the easiest kids to rank. Those are the ones that are so obviously and ridiculously athletic that even you could probably spot one of them as a top talent.

Where they fail is with kids that are early commits so they don't attend many camps or else kids that simply don't attend camps for whatever reason. Most of these ratings come from what these kids do at these camps and if they don't go then they don't get much of a rating.

It is certainly fun to rub the ratings of your recruiting class into your rival but the truth is neither utah or BYU is signing all that highly rated a class.

You need to hope those lower rated guys panout since that is most of utahs class.

TheHailstorm
South Weber, UT

Duck Hunted;
" Still waiting on all those 4 star guys to appear on the list. LOL

Duckhunter | 8:45 p.m. Jan. 30, 2011
American Fork, UT
Sounds like "hope" is all they have. They sure don't have many "commits".

LOL

PAY ATTENTION !
19 recruits signed so far, moved up 4 spots on nations recruiting list for colleges, 2-4 star athletes. Average--2.95'
Glad to see that you managed a diploma from Provo High. Weren't accepted into college were you.
That Geneva ground water has leached into your coconut. Stay out of the marches in West Orem and seek proffesional help.. your not funny and the delusion that you think your clever has become an addiction.
Please seek help.

Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

@Bugoff

In some ways you miss some of the really good points. BYU has done very well..in fact... downright exceptionally well despite the lack of 4&5 star recruits. It has a National Championship. It has a Heisman Trophy. And it has numerous other best at position trophies like The Outland...the Butkus... the Davey O'Brian and the Doke Walker...plus a fair list of All Americans most of whom were barely 1's or two's. We're definitely not an Alabama or even in the same level of play as Half of the SEC. If we were... we'd be getting some of those Defensive Corners and Safety's we've never been able to attract...despite our Winter's here in the Rockies. The one aspect that's missing here is that the Mountain West is growing so fast and soon to become a megametro area. It's just now barely coming into it's own. There's a rich array of really good athletes here who are only now being discovered...and like it or not Utah, BYU and USU almost have an exclusive here. All 3 programs will grow more successful from here.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Re: Duckhunter

Do you use lower case for proper names related to Utah or Ute fans as a juvenile form of disrespect, or are you just a careless typist?

Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

Stars don't really tell you how well a player will play at the next level. At The Silver Dome when BYU lost to Marshal I gave a whole slew of clippings on Ben Rothlesburger from just his Senior year... to one of Edwards assistants. He looked at them and said he'd never heard of him... but said he'd look them over and pass them on. Not unusual since Ben only played Quarterback his Senior year at Findly H.S... just down the road 22 miles from here in Bowling Green, Ohio. He'd been pretty much relagated to playing a receiver since his coaches son was a year older and already playing the QB position...though never as good as Ben did in that one season. I spoke to Ben once and asked him if he'd heard of BYU. He began by talking about Steve Young...so obviously he had. I asked him if he'd consider playing at BYU. He laughed...then smiled and said I'll play anywhere they let me throw the ball and I don't have to play behind a coaches son. Ben literally came out of nowhere.

Scoobie

Just Truth
Saratoga Springs, UT

I love watching players with heart over stars any day.

slcftball
Salt Lake City, UT

Hate to tell you....but the stars and recruiters are correct 90 percent of the time on 4 and 5 star kids. Now, some people do sometimes emerge and weren't noticed, and everyone loves the walk-on to scholarship kids. But those 4 and 5 star kids that are ranked high can play except for the occasional 10 percent. 90 percent is pretty good odds.......

Duckhunter
American Fork, UT

@slcftball

I don't know what the percentages are but I think most people agree that the kids actually given the highest ratings are good players and most will pan out. Where the ratings fail is with alot of the kids given 2 and 3 star ratings.

I would love to see a breakdown but simple numbers alone would seem to say that more 2-3 star rated kids turn out to be top players than 4 and 5 star kids. Mainly because there are more 3 star kids by multiples of 10 than there are 4 and 5 star combined.

There are about 30 5 star rated players and about 150 4 star players. I think there are around 120 D1 schools. Only 2 schools got more than 2 of the 5 stars and only the top 10 schools got double digit 4 stars. all the 4 and 5 stars added together only make up about the same number as total D1 schools.

Niether BYU or utah is going get that many of them ever. They are always going to have to make do with 3 star kids and occasionally pick off some 4 stars. Just how it is.

crowntown1
Corona, CA

Heart doesn't win Championships! It helps but Athletes, Speed do!

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