I think it's great that Utah is doing pretty well at recruiting, but this years
recruiting isn't as good as BYU's 2010 recruits so far. I'm guessing that could
change. Either way, not that great, Hedgehog... for someone touting the fact
that your recruiting will be SO much better as a Pac member. Remember, BYU as a
member of the MWC was able to get 3 "4 star" recruits. How many do you
I wonder if hedgehog and DeVonte Christopher are good friends? They both seem to
have big mouths with nothing to show for it.
What BYU? LOL . ."Your best player thinks he's a pirate"
Denham in...Peterson next The difference this year is that Utah is
in the door with kids that would not have even listened last year and most of
these kids like to make a big deal on signing day. If we pick up 2-3 out of the
9 or so that will decide tomorrow, it will be a great class. Hopefully we can get an update from Duckhunter tomorrow night on how the
rankings finish up....
PAC 12 Loves U: Until you realize that BYU had been working on going
independent for some time - at least as long as The Mtn has existed, and
probably longer. Why do you think BYU built a state of the art broadcast
facility? The U going to the Pac 10 (now 12) only helped define the right time
for them to pull the trigger, maybe a little sooner than they probably would
Chris B: You need to learn how to count. The #3 team would be USU. I think
you are referring to the team with the funny rules as being BYU. BYU and Utah
would be the #1 and #2 teams. You pick the order - your order will be different
(continued)both schools will be working much harder for the blue chip
recruits. BYU may receive a greater share of the LDS blue chippers, because of
the their religious affiliation, but probably not a significantly greater share.
It will be a battle for both schools, however.
My opinion is that Utah will not pick up many, if any, additional blue chip 5
star players than they have received in the past. Perhaps even fewer. Those
players will choose the more prestigious west coast schools over Utah. But look
for Utah to pick up more mid range 3 & 4 star players that generally go to
conferences such as the MWC. They will choose Utah because they will want the
added prestige of playing for a BCS school as well as the added exposure not
available in the MWC due to the MWC's tv contract. Look for Utah's recruiting
to be down somewhat in quality, but up marginally in quantity. With the
exposure question solved for both Utah and BYU
BYU's ranking is down this ye,r partially because they will only sign 15
recruits. Lots of RM's and some transfers will fill the void to 25
or so.They are not factored into the recruiting equations.Of these 9 or 10 not counted, there are 2,3 and some 4 star rated athletes,
when they came out of High School.You do receive additional points
per recruit, so just by virtue of signing 20 or 25 recruits you are alloted more
points under the system.Facts for what they're worth.
Ducky,Currently Rivals has Utah at 35 BYU Not rankedCurrently
Scout has Utah at 48 BYU 60thUtah has a real shot at 5 additional
4 star recruites ( that we know of) and the distance will only be bigger
tomorrow.Would you like me to provide a "trend" from say
2004 to today. Trust me you wouldn't like the results.
Big_Ben | 9:48 a.m. Feb. 1, 2011 Centerville, UT But guys! BYU's
recruiting class is awesome! They beat out Buffalo and New Mexico State and now
have a solid verbal from Adam Pulsipher! They are going to dominate the utes!
===Ben, are you still going to represent yourself, as in the
DNews article, as someone that hates the negatives of the rivalry?I
think both schools did well, for what they have already, and what they have in
the pipeline...Apparently, you feel BYU has lost in areas of need.
Please say where and why!Do you mind clarifying the issue?And while you are at it, either state that we can get along, or that you feel
that you align with Chris B, Hedgehog, Uteology, utahcountyute, and navalvet,
etc.BenWhite, take a side. Either you are the unbised voice of
reason, or a fanatic!!!Make the choice babe...But then,
live with who you are. It's OK to be who you are, but please don't be someone
that you are not...
To the couple of y fans that have wished Utah well... thank you. To the rest of
you haters and trolls and your oh so insightful and intelligent predictions...
where DID you find that crystal ball that you're using to predict Utah's
successes/failures in the PAC12? Did you scrounge it out of the dumpster you
threw it in a few years ago after making up thousands of 'Quest' shirts?
Chanting 'BCS' after breaking a huddle etc.? You are diluting the y fans that
have intelligent and objective comments to make. In that regard... its
hard to say what's going to happen w/ these two teams parting ways. They are
both certainly at a crossroads and both NEED successful seasons over the next
3-5 years to stay relevant.I'm hoping the Utes can take advantage of their
recent BCS busting, USCs down time, etc. to bolster their chances at success.
@pac 12 loves youWhere is the evidence that utahs recruiting has
increased big time? They currently have the 50th ranked recruiting class
compared to BYU's 59th ranked class. Those rankings include denham. Do you just
say things to make yourself feel good or do you actually think first?
There is no question recruiting is different. Much more difficult to convince 4
and 5 star recruits to SLC than it is to some of the other destinations in the
PAC12. SLC is far better of a place than Pullman and many would say better than
the LA area, but a lot of kids want the things and lifestyle that LA, Phoenix,
Boulder, Berkley, Eugene and Seattle offer. SLC is becoming a much more diverse
place than it was 10 or 20 years ago, and that will appeal to some. The value
of coaches cannot be underestimated. They can turn good players into great
Hedgehog says:"We don't get many of your "type" in
this part of the country. Our only real point of reference to your
"ilk" is Footloose or Napoleon Dynamite. So enlightened,
Thank You Archie Bunker. Your U of U Education is showing.I
suppose by "Ilk" and "Your Type" you are refering to
"Mormons" or "BYU fans".In your
"Pretend" Neck of the Woods, Ann Arbor, there are 150k Mormons in
Michigan, Illinois and Indiana.There are Stakes in Ann Arbor, South
Bend , Lansing etc. That would be Thousands of "Those types" and
"Ilks".30 RM's on Utah's team, 5 Mormon Coaches, are they
the right "Ilk" for you Hedgie? @Pac12lovesUReality check....BYU has talked of Independence for 10 years,
planned for it for 5 and began building it's Broadcast Center and Hardwired all
facilities for HD, 3 years before Utah's invite to the Pac 10.I know
it strokes your ego to think that BYU draws every breath with Utah in mind, but
the truth is, the "Facts" don't support you dilusional supposition.
To all you zoobs claiming that Utah will be bottom dwellers in the PAC 12. Those
remarks are out of jealousy! Your Independence is a direct response to Utah's
big PAC 12 invite. The whole byu organization can call it more exposure, more
revenue, or whatever all they want. But, declaring your Independence two months
after Utah Joined the PAC 12 seems ironic to me. Utah's recruting has increased
big time and will only get better as time goes on. GO UTES!!!
Ok Denham is a good pickup but he is not a High School 4 or 5 star but a JC kid.
He did not want to leave the West and the offer he want from SC did not happen.
I hope they both get who they are after. I know that Utah will need better and
more athletes than the Y to compete. The utes play in the pac 12 not the WAC.
Bluto,South Bend is 3 1/2 hour drive from Ann Arbor... a no, we
don't get many of your "type" in this part of the country. Our only
real point of reference to your ilk is Footloose or Napoleon Dynamite. As far as Ainge, I was referring to the way he grabbed Tree Rollins
around the ankles.... classic.
Naval Vet is back...What a breath of fresh air to class up the
board. I was forgetting how to spell "zoob" and "td'S"...===Utah will always get some recruits, and some players will
mature in the program.Nice that Scalley is happy where they sit now,
and any additional commits are gravy.Good luck Utes.===Little curious that Hedgehog used an "Oral Roberts"
Utah fans, STOP pandering to the bitter BYU fans. Your wanted the big leagues
now you have it so start ignoring the handfull of haters that log onto Utah
articles and post their drivel and start acting like your part of the big
leagues. If you take the same crap to their boards, you're one of them a mid
level fan.The vast majority of BCS football fans wouldn't waste a
single word replying to a BYU fan they simply just don't factor into the big
league discussions unless your team is playing them as a tune up, then it's a
bit of a novelty.Remember the opposite of love isn't hate, it's
indifference and thats what we should reserve for the Bluto's and Duckhunters of
Come on ute fans, you can't afford to have Y fans leave you alone. Your tv
ratings etc will dive since there are only about 3500 of you based on bb
Ignoramus AlertTree rollins bit Ainge's finger, not the other way
Tell the Holy Fathers at Notre Dame they are not a Religious Instituion. You
must be Catholic to be Head Coach. It was Men of the Cloth that met
Urban Meyer at SLC Airport in hopes of enticing him to South Bend.They do have an honor code, granted, an alcohol provision is not included.I sincerely doubt you have Season Tickets to Notre Dame. Show us your
ticket stub! You really get around Ann Arbor, South Bend, etc. We
all know you are a Salt Lake County Troll, profile notwithstanding.According to Rivals and Scout, of the top 20 Utah recruits....BYU got 9
and Utah got 9, in one service, The other one BYU got 8 and Utah got 6.the rest went out of State or to U-State, etc.Spare the
"Red Herring" argument, Nobody at BYU claims to be Notre Dame, all you
need to know however, is that ESPN is paying Millions for BYU's Brand and BYU's
teams will be on National TV every week.Utah's teams will not, that
is an indisputable fact.U will fade away as they wait years for
their Pac-12 money...Recruits will absolutely Notice....
Whats runs faster and is a foot taller than the average tds football player?Anthony Denham, WR (4 star) a 6-foot-6 4.49Just gave the
utes his verbal today.The tds might have to pull a Danny ange attack
on Tree Rollings to bring this kid down.LOL!
Bluto: I dont think BYU has picked up football recruits because there Mens
volleyball team won the conference championship, do you? Utah just got a
commitment from Anthony Denham four star recruit from L.A. he had offers to
oregon, washington, arizona,LSU,georgia, nebraska, ole miss,and others. So
basically while you were typing your post you were proven wrong by Denham
commiting 5 minutes ago. Where is my boy Duckhunter? he said the utes
wouldnt sign any top athletes besides Langi. His mommy must not let him get
online until his homework is done and his room is clean.
i go into this pac 12 thing a little optimistic but i always try to be real
about it too. i think utah has laid a body of work in the past decade that has
received good national attention and will be able to pull in solid recruits.
the elite guys will be a few years off, but a good thing about being in the pac
12 is that maybe a year or two down the road some of these usc and oregon kids
that utah had to fight for and lost end up not enjoying it where they're at or
they don't find their way into the depth chart and so they transfer away and
fall back to the U. i don't say that to establish that the utes need to get all
the fall back guys, but people who say joining the pac 12 won't help the
recruiting process at all are totally wrong. this opens up doors to the kids
that otherwise never would have looked utah's direction.
Bluto, why are you on this blog? Step on over to your own blog!I
think it will be a bit different for the Ute recruiters going in, they will
adjust and learn the Pac 12 ins and outs, and each year will improve!
Hailstorm,Was the kid considering byu?Did bronco say
"BYU will get every single recruit in the entire country?"The team can't have 20,000 kids bud. If he was considering
Central Florida, Cincinnati, and Utah then bronco's statement has nothing to do
with this.But you stay classy bud.
we will not lose a recruit because of conference affiliation ?
" Anthony Denham, a 6-foot-6 receiver out of East Los Angeles Junior
College, was torn between Central Florida, Cincinnati and Utah until he met with
new Utah offensive coordinator Norm Chow, who gave him a comparison he couldn't
pass up." Lya Wodraska-- SL Tribune. Denham said
getting to know co-coordinator Aaron Roderick and Utah's future in the Pac-10
were other factors that went into his decision."I felt comfortable
there and I liked the coaches and I liked the idea of them going to the Pac-10,
that is going to be a good experience." Bronco just keeps the Ute
fans in material to work with. How's that foot taste ?
The real battle is for the top in state talent, it will a lot years before Utah
or BYU can recruit 4 or 5 star athletes outside of Utah except for and
occassional QB. BYU's best bet is to make it into the Big 12 then some
"real" athletes may start to show up. Utah will do fine in the PAC 12
but not 10-2 fine more like 8-4 or 9-3 fine. They are also going to get
destroyed in some of the other sports.
"AND, you're NOT Notre Dame"Naval,Yes, the
delusional pounding of this war drum just doesent fly. Zoobies beleive ND is
some type of kindred spirit because it's a "religous insitution".As a ND season ticket holder, I'll let you in on a little know fact...
the majority of their athletic recruites are not Catholic. ND does not mandate
rediculous "honor" codes. ND draws NATIONALLY from a diverse universe
of athletes.ND is not thought of as a religous school PERIOD.Look at Oral Roberts as your comparison.
Bluto:"Independents are not Mid-Majors, the only Mid-Major is
this discussion are the Utah Utes."Silly backward frantic and
emotional zoob. Utah is in the Pac-12. We're in the BIG leagues now. But YOU
aren't. As an Independent, the tdS is NOT affiliated with an AQ conference,
AND, you're NOT Notre Dame. Ergo, you ARE a mid-major.Haha!
@ BlutoYou're right. Your team is full ofSpiritHonorIntegrityTradition
Coach of the Year-- 1All Americans this year--3
The only school in the PAC-12 that can really play the facilities card is the
University of Nike at Eugene. SC's digs in South Central are nothing to write
home about. Dr. Hill has clearly stated that as the Utes ramp up to
the PAC-12 that new facilities (sports medicine, expanded football offices, and
the South End Zone at RES) will be built to be on par with the rest of the
PAC-12. Zoobs, keep the UofU & WAZZU comparisons coming. I
always enjoy a good laugh in the morning to get my day started off on the right
Ducky,Go ask: Jarred Norris From Cali ( CAL offer)Isacc
Asiata ( UW USC)Kieth Mcgill from Cali (USC offer)Jarred Olive from
texas (Michigan offerV.L Feholko from HI (Uw offer)Lucky Radely from
Cali ( UCLA offer)
@Rock of the MarneOK. You are stipulating we will never, ever, see
you on a Utah story again? Right?Didn't think so....Independents are not Mid-Majors, the only Mid-Major is this discussion are the
Utah Utes.No equal revenue for 5 years. Less of a payout than even
Colroado.Welcome to the World of Wazzu
@Chris BOne team has Traditon Honor and Spirit &......*National Championship (5 seperate organizations)*17 Top 25 finishes*23 Conference Championships*Heisman*Doak Walker*Outlands
(2)*Davey O'Brian's (4)*Sammy Baugh's (7)*College Hall of
Famers (7)*Consensus All-Americans(16) All-Americans 60+*NFL MVP and
Super Bowl winning QB'sNational TV every week with ESPN or
BYU-TV.Big time programs don't play on Fox Regional only.National Pac-12 games will not include Utah.Texas, Notre Dame,
Miami, Penn State, Texas A&m, Oklahoma, etc. aren't big boys?BYU
has already and will again schedule these teams and many others with ESPN doing
the scheduling, and yet, you'll never see them in RES.Enjoy your 2
BCS games and 2 undefeated seasons, that is your ceiling, it will never happen
again.10 teams play in BCS games every year, that is not the
definition of Legacy. (see above)Now go and feather your bed as a
BYU trolls please go away and back to your mid major team.
If you want to play on Sunday, you have to play on Saturday. Utah will
consistently be in top 4 teams in football. They will take their lumps as well.
Even in a down year, they will be playing the MWC champion and a better bowl
game than BYU. Mark that down!
But guys! BYU's recruiting class is awesome! They beat out Buffalo and New
Mexico State and now have a solid verbal from Adam Pulsipher! They are going to
dominate the utes!
There are only 2 reasons a "top" recruit would choose utah over one of
those schools. In cullens case he is a jc transfer with only 2 years of
eligibility and usc is on probation for his 2 years. He also was probably
promised immediate playing time at utah while he would have had to compete at
usc.The probabtion of usc probably also factored to langi and he
also had the 2nd reason a recruit would choose utah over one of those other
schools. He is local.Other than those 2 reason there is no reason
for a recruit to choose utah and that is why very few ever have and very few
ever will. The weather is worse, the facilities are inferior, the fanbase is an
embarrassment and utah has no real legacy to speak of.In short
nothing is changing and the evidence shows in this years class where exactly
none of those kids has chosen to sign with the utes so far. Just the local kid,
that is it.
Joe Schmoe, Bluto et al. and then the trolls came out. Why even come on a story
about Utah unless you are a bit jealous. Utah's leaving BYU in the rearview
mirror so I don't think Ute fans really care what Yiner fans think. Utah is in
the PAC 12 and BYU's a mid major independent. Go focus on your own team and
it's "stellar" recruiting class.
hedgehog, I agree with Uteman, there are a ton of Utes playing on Sunday and
that's part of what the top recruits want to hear in their living rooms. There seems to have been a wake-up call for the Utes recruiting on the road,
but at the same time they have another good option for kids to choose. Utah has
it's share of great draws outside of the practice facilities, but new ones will
help a lot.Go Aggies!
Perhaps recruits would like to join the rapidly growing list of Utes in the NFL.
Differences in recruiting between the #1 and #3 programs in the state of UtahTeam #1Shown twice it can go undefeatedShown twice it can
make it to bcs gamesShown twice it can win bcs gamesCoach who knows
winning is #1Teammates who are athletes, among the best in nationNo
silly rulesInvited to play with big boysTeam #3Shown it
is incapable of ever going undefeatedShown it is incapable of ever going
to bcs gameShown it is incapable of ever winning bcs gameCoach who
thinks winning is 6th most important thingTeammates who can discuss sunday
school lessonSilly RulesNo big boys want to play with themThe recruiting battle will be dominated in the coming years by one of these
teams. U decide.
Hedgehog:Answer-- So they can play rather than stand on the
sidelines and hope for the chance should one of those other recruits get
hurt.Hope my aggies can pick up some, especially here in Utah, keep
the good ones at home. I recall a few from Cache valley name Olsen, Green,
Curtis, they did ok in the NFL. Talent will surface whenever and where ever you
play. Go Aggies, basketball is on!!!!
I think it's a matter of time and winning. If the Utes can win in the next few
years in the PAC-12, and I think they can. Then the recruiting will become a
little easier, because people want to play for a winner! If not then you have
to turn to things like facilities etc. to get the recruites. But winning will
be the biggest thing.
"Why would a top notch athlete turn down an Oregon or SC or Stanford for
Utah?"Bluto,hmm, I don't know, why don't you ask
Cullin or Langi.
Scalley said. "At the same time, we're having to face the fact
that these guys that we're recruiting now the caliber of players they're
visiting all these other Pac-12 teams. They're visiting all these different
facilities.... We're going to have to step up our game."Which
is what we've been telling these Boastful Utes all along.Utah will
NOT have an advantage by "Simply belonging to the Pac-12", anymore
than Washington State has.These young people today are very bright.
Why would a top notch athlete turn down an Oregon or SC or Stanford for Utah?The U's facilities and Overall Athletic Program compares more with WAZU
than USC.The fan support is shallow unless they are winning big.
When 6-6 becomes the Norm, then what Chow?Again, only One Conference
Championship for Utah last year, (all sports) 9 for BYU.Utah will
have a harder time recruiting the top athletes once they compare facilities to
the Big boys, the Oregons, SC's, Washington's, ASU's and Stanfords in their
club.It's going to be a very bumpy ride Utes. Strap in.
MARK IT DOWN!7th place in the pac for the next two years.Then we'll see where recruiting takes them.
Any recruit that goes to any team still has to prove himself on the field. Who
is to say that Utah, or any other school is not better off if some of these top
rated athletes choose other schools. Boise is a good example of average
recruiting class accomplishing above average success. Utah has had a taste of
this and so has BYU. I do wish Utah the best Wednesday in getting some of these
undecided boys but if they don't, they still have some good athletes. It is fun
to make the very few BYU haters look un-intelligent (it's easy too) but I am
always pulling for Utah to win when not playing USU or BYU. It will be
interesting to see how all the chips fall Wednesday.
I'm a true-blue BYU fan; just wanted to get that on record at the outset. But
unlike "Y" haters that post on articles regarding BYU football news,
I'm not gonna bash the Utes. While I don't care for them a bit, I bear no
illwill against them and wish them every success in their new conference.That said, I don't think this change in the recruiting landscape is
going to affect the "U" for at least the next season or two, is it? Do
they have a large number of players graduating this year? I don't pay much
attention to their roster.Sure, it'll affect them eventually, but if
they have a fair amount of players returning to mostly fill out their depth
chart they'll be OK in the short run. If they do as well as they (and their
rabid fans) think they'll do (I have to admit, though, I think they're
over-estimating), they'll have a couple of seasons in-conference, therefore
getting greater exposure, resulting in more players giving them serious
consideration - making worries about "poaching" a lesser concern.Makes sense to me, at least.